An Orderly Man
He is disciplined, an orderly man. The Trump campaign can be proud of Mike Pence tonight. I never called a winner for the first debate, which was little more than a brawl, but tonight I have to say Mike Pence was the clear winner. He defended the administration better than it ever defended itself. I thought he did well on every issue, especially on trade, China and energy.
I'm sure the American public will think so as well when we see the polling.
Kamala Harris was obviously looking to take down Pence.
Did she know there would be a split screen?
For most of the time she sat there smirking and scowling at the well prepared Vice President. The high point was when Mike Pence again asked the question of whether Joe Biden would pack the Supreme Court if he wins next month. Twice Harris awkwardly dodged the question. Pence suggested that the worst was probably true if they keep refusing to answer.
And this needed to be said:
"the fact that you continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine if the vaccine emerges during the Trump administration, I think is unconscionable.
Lessons to be learned:
The nation got a good look at Kamala Harris. She was condescending and abrasive.
The Biden coronavirus plan is based on the Trump plan.
Harris lied about a tax increase. Biden said he would repeal the Trump tax cut.
Most of all is what a man sitting in the White House can learn from Mike Pence. A lot more that banning flights from China was done in the past year to combat the coronavirus. Pence made that argument and he made it well. That is how it's done Mr President!
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Oh, ya, the moderator was fair.
It was a civil debate.
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While you were watching flies the voters learned something.
yeah. they learned mike can't follow the rules either and doesn't know how long 2 minutes is.
There will be a poll on this debate. Care to make a prediction?
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pence lost this debate and a chance at another in 2024.
Let's keep it to topic and substance.
Gee, I had a feeling you were going to say that. I think most people will give it to Pence.
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The Results Are In. And The Winner Is...
I will. Women HATED Pence.
He was condescending.
He didn't follow the rules.
He kept interrupting.
He failed to answer almost every question put to him.
In short, the antithesis of orderly.
That is a sweeping generalization. We will have to wait for the polling.
Six in ten voters say Harris won the debate!
Ya, the CNN instant poll. Thanks, but no thanks.
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Don't speak for how all "women" feel or think please. I'd like to see the poll results too.
I hate Pence. He's a prick.
Me too.
But you are not all women either.
I agree 100% Pence talked policy. Senator Harris’s main critique on most issues, was less about substance than about Mr. Trump’s rhetoric and personal behavior.
I also didn’t like her smirky expressions when he was talking.
Not exactly presidential, were they?
As for the fly, only a middle schooler would focus on that.
A middle schooler who had nothing else.
A huge mistake for Biden & Harris. They will be hounded with that question - if not by the msm - by Fox News and the Wall Street Journal!
I bet Mother, Mrs. Pence, is very familiar with how long two minutes is.
If you get my meaning.
But you are not all women either.
Really?
When did I say I spoke for all women?
If you are accusing me of a CoC violation, flag it and stop whining.
If not, so what?
Why, you won't accept them unless they agree with your opinion anyway.
Don't pretend I did please.
Please cite a subject you felt Pence was more educated on than Harris.
Did Pence's smirky expressions bother you too?
It was more animated than Pence.
She was there to answer the moderators questions, NOT Pence's questions.
Pence was also there to answer the moderators questions, he didn't answer most of them.
Here are 3 early questions that Pence is uniquely positioned to answer but refused to do so.
One would think that refusing to answers to those direct questions from the moderator would be much more relevant to the vast majority of Americans.
I believe they will pack the court but don't want to admit it publicly.
they should be constantly asked until they answer honestly
No, she did NOT invite the question.
Here, let me see if I can help.
Now ever YOU have to recognize that Pence's answer had NOTHING to do with what he was asked. In FACT, Pence NEVER answered that question.
I also note that Pence LIED in his response and proved to be utterly tone death about 'changing the rules when you don't get your way' since BOTH of Trump's Justices were confirmed AFTER McConnell changed the rules...
So the Court packing question came from one of Pence's MANY tap dancing deflections.
As the author of this seed so famously said, Facts Matter.
Oh but she DID address the issue. Again, what was REALLY said:
After which Harris proceeded to talk about packing the court, go watch the debate again.
That exchange started @ 1:02:42 in the debate.
You're welcome.
WHOOOOSH, right over your head...
Thanks as always for the facts and the truth.
such an easy question, and now Biden and Harris have refused to answer.
reckon they think they are fooling anyone?
The Vice Predident was cool, calm. And collected. Harris got snarky, rude, and petulant whenever she felt cornered.
Yes, Pence is an expert at calmly lying his ass off.
So tell me Tex, with all the shit happening right now, WHY is that the most urgently question that you want answers for? Please be specific.
It's Sophie's Choice question. If they answer yes, they alienate most of the population. If they answer no they alienate what I have to regard as their radical, terrorist base.
they should be constantly asked until they answer honestly
They will be, it is now an issue.
"from the very first day, President Donald Trump has put the health of the American people first."
That's hilarious! The only one the 'president' puts first is himself.
Pence was really good...
amazing the party of “norms” can’t say they won’t destroy the Supreme Court...
Mitch McConnell can't say he is bi-partisan in judge selection. Talk about court packing already! But some conservatives obviously don't care about psychological projection or being even-handed when there is opportunity to selfishly power-grab. What I will say about Pence is he is studied in his points of view and it causes me to wonder if Pence is giving Trump policies to push or vice-versa. There is no daylight between the two men, the administration, and senate and house republicans!
As to the courts, democrats don't have to tell republicans a damn thing about their short or long term strategies. Just let 'em ask and 'spin.'
Every dictionary and every internet search I do on "court packing" only refers to the Supreme Court. It goes into the history where FDR wanted to increase the number of justices so that he could get in the people he wanted. The only place where I can find anything about court packing in lower courts comes from the democratic party members. Lower court nominations have long been seen as favorable to the party of the President who is making the nomination. So IMO arguing about conservatives who nominate judges they feel are also conservative is a losing argument. When a seat is open during a Democratic term I'm confident the President at that time will appoint someone who they feel will rule in their best interest because that's human nature.
And yes, democrats don't have to tell republicans anything about their short or long-term strategies. But I feel it does the public a disservice by not telling us.
If Joe Biden wins he should 'pack' the court. It's only fair.
Yes, Pence the 'orderly man' conservative christian which follows the party that absolves itself from any of the teachings and philosophies of our Savior Jesus Christ.
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As a Christian, I am appalled at Pence's lack of compassion. This statement: " from the very first day , President Donald Trump has put the health of the American people first."
Is a lie.
Evidence:
How did Donald's own White House get ravaged by this virus if it practiced social distancing , appropriate closure , and a ban on mass gatherings ?
This is not social distancing, closure, or a ban on mass gathering at it best!!!!
Pence was right when he said that initial predictions were even if they did everything right, we could lose 200K, and if we didn't take the measures taken, we could lose 2 million.
Dr. Birx predicts up to 200,000 U.S. coronavirus deaths 'if we do things almost perfectly'
And you might notice that back on March 30 when Dr. Birx was saying this, the media wasn't really prepared to hear it. Now they want to act like the 200K deaths was totally unforeseen and totally outside what should reasonably be expected. But as we see, it's an indication that we are actually probably doing a lot of thing right.
Could we be doing some things better? Of course, but sometimes we don't know what those things are. Notice that on March 30, Dr. Birx was saying to be religious about washing hands. Now, that's not considered as important as it once was.
We are still "religiously" watching hands. I assume you are too? As for the 200,000 number we are yet climbing. And: Winter is coming!
In case you hadn't noticed Donald has been gainsaying and blasting the medical and scientific communities (while paranoid-ly and vexing-ly blaming both; simultaneously taking their experimental drugs and pleading for a 'quick-fix' vaccine). Moreover, we are not allowed to try to unjustly use the medical and scientific communities 'discoveries" about this virus and pandemic against them. These communities follow strict protocols. Something politicians of all stripes do not!
Therefore, Donald and his White House is evidentially responsible for White House infections as they were explicitly and repeatedly warned not to hold maskless rallies, to social distance, to telework, et ceteras. Donald flounted rules. We all saw this, including NT commenters!
'merica own the truth. It's medicine for what ails us all!
I think Pence did a fine job. I would not want to have to defend Donald Trump, but he seemed to move through the nightmare scenario rather smoothly. He never flinched and was always in control. Also, it is remarkable to see how presidential Pence appears compared to the actual PotUS.
Net, I was surprised at Pence's performance; he did better than I thought he would do. Let's see if his boss gained a clue about how to conduct oneself in a presidential debate.
I hate to say this, but I'd love to see them switch roles at this point. I thought it might be a necessity. Apparently not.
I'm sure you would, and I'm sure an awful lot of people would, but unfortunately, you don't have a choice.
there's still hope, somebody has to pardon trump to keep him out of jail when he loses.
Don't worry Buzz, I didn't forget who brought me to the dance.
Beware of the dog who doesn't bark!
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There is one thing that really bothers me, Vic, with reference to both debates, and that is what am I to think about debaters who make a big deal about law and order, yet totally ignore rules agreed to by their respective committees with respect to participation in the debate?
I really don't see the connection between debate rules and protecting citizens.
Actually, I'm in the same mindset regarding Pence.
Laws and rules both require that persons either must or should obey them, as not doing so normally may have consequences. HIs debate committee agreed on the rules of procedure with the Harris debate committee on time limits, and in his case he contraved that agreement, and his doing so was excessive. IMO disregarding rules that were agreed upon is tantamount to disobeying laws.
We have no chance of that, the President was up and about way too soon.
That's interesting Buzz, but for me a candidate speaking beyond his time simply doesn't equate to that rioter on a city street who is vandalizing, burning and even murdering.
I know.
I was hoping the gang would show up last night at the "after hours" to watch the debate.
I couldn't. I get up for work at 5:30 am.
I understand. Still working. All I can tell you is - there is nothing like retirement!
How much longer for you?
Well, considering I'm only 41, I have quite a bit of time left.
The prime of life for a woman. Enjoy these years.
I'm sorry Vic, but I didn't find Harris condescending or abrasive. She sat there sucking it up, while Pence ate through a bulk of her talking time, albite, politely. Frankly, I think she did fine given that so much of her time was taken up by Pence. A lesser person would have had less control.
Other than that, I think they both came off very professional. I really didn't expect anything less.
You see it as a tie, I take it?
What of those facial expressions she was making?
Yes Vic, given that she was trying to bite her tongue, while Pence was disobeying the rules concerning his time. Frankly, I thought she was beyond patent in that respect.
That was Pence's only flaw and he seemed intent on doing it. Otherwise I thought he dismantled her for all to see. She even had to place the race card.
maintaining the role of the domineering male was a wink and nod to his religious base.
If you mean he was in control, then ya, he was in complete control!
Well, being that she is a minority woman, I'd say she has the privilege to 'hold' the race card and the woman card close to her breast , no pun intended. It reminds me of how Mitt Romney pulled out his conservative card as rationale from supreme court senate suffrage in an election year. Seems Mitt thinks conservative were (get this)
"oppressed" by the liberal supreme court (majority)? (Rolls eyes.)
What of them?
They were condescending. Very un-presidential!
It seems to be the consensus that Pence is getting points for not being Trump. Pathetic.
Well, yeah basically.
Pence could answer questions. Harris couldn't.
Do you think the moderator was ever going to ask Harris about packing the court?
Or how she walked out on Sen Tim Scott?
Or how she signed onto the Green New Deal immediately?
I'd say Pence got those key questions in despite them not being asked by the moderator.
Pence evaded questions he had no answer for, the same for Harris.
Not like Harris. The moderator specifically asked if a Biden/Harris administration would lock down the country. Harris dodged it. That plus all her other dodges and rehearsed lines looked bad....I firmly believe the polls will show that Pence won it.
That's what happens when the media gives nothing but puff questions to their own. In a real debate they get beat up.
Facts matter
The moderator specifically asked Pence all of these questions that he dodged:
I think that the polls will show that there was no net win or loss.
And yes facts matter, so long as you are not trying to distort your opponent's record.
They don't have an answer on healthcare. That's true.
Pence didn't give much of an answer on the Rose Garden - on the other hand that was bound to happen. There are people who are essential workers and face it every day. People who serve in the military are also facing it. Was that a big issue for you?
As far as abortion rights go - we all know where Mike Pence stands on that - It was the issue that once defined him. He believes in the right to life. PERIOD!
I think that the polls will show that there was no net win or loss.
If you are right, I'll be the first to raise my glass to you. If I'm right I only ask for a wink.
What does "packing the courts" mean? Define, please.
Extending the number of justices beyond the traditional 9
You must have watched the Earth2 version of the debate.
Do you think that the campaigns signed agreements about WHO would ask the questions?
Neither Trump or Pence lived up to their agreements.
Only ONE of the above questions were asked by Pence. But hey, keep padding his performance Vic.
I posted 3 of the questions that Pence was asked about Covid @ 1.1.28, NONE of which he answered. NO amount of deflection will change that fact. Anyone can go back and listen to Pence's obfuscating responses, sprinkled with lies, for themselves.
So when you claimed:
You meant EXCEPT healthcare, the handling of the Covid pandemic that he's supposed to be spearheading, and abortion.
Seriously, Pence had MONTHS to prepare a 2 minute answer for those 3 topics which any thinking person KNEW would be topics. Pence obfuscated and outright lied in his responses.
The 'president' has never had an answer on health care, though he's been promising it ever since he was 'elected'.
I agree with you on this. For me, this might be the single biggest failing of his administration.
his boss said the vaccine would be available "momentarily".......... 3 days ago. how many moments are there in 72 hours? both incumbents seem to have a childish concept of time.
His boss is not producing & approving the vaccine.
The dems don't want one ready before the election.
They have sowed distrust in any vaccine produced before Nov 3rd.
That is evil.
Opportunist response. I am a voting democrat and you really don't know my motivation on this one. There is no vaccine which can safely be ready before November 3rd. If so, I will take it two week later if Pence takes it first.
Any vaccine that is produced will have to be approved. A vaccine is no less safe under one president than another.
And produced before November 3rd? And do not try to confuse the issue with "both sides" comparison. We have plenty of material facts to establish that Donald is not responding like other presidents. He is 'whipped' up in his head to beat all the other presidents at the job. Expediency (otherwise known as, haste) is a well-used tactic of Donald's. Just look that the 'flash' he reacted in to load his own system up with experimental drugs! I'm assuming he signed all the proper medical waivers and placed them in his file.
It's hard to say. I'm guessing mid-November.
Wouldn't that be a coincidence?
But we do know that manufactures have been making the vaccine doses already in the hopes / plans that the vaccine pans out and is approved so that distribution can start right away. That was money appropriated in earlier COVID bills and set up under operation Warp Speed (funny name but hey, I'm a Trekker). So regardless of when one or more is approved, this administration has done a lot to fight this pandemic.
It has. Consider what was spent of ventilators & medical supplies. In February they had nothing but CDC dysfunctional test kits
There won't be a vaccine, a trusted vaccine, available until later next year.
There can't possibly be a tested, trusted vaccine available before election day.
Evil?
Not possible.
Nonsense.
November 4th is when it will become "trusted" and when the followers of CNN & MSNBC will accept it.
November 4th is when the big blue states will begin to reopen their economies
November 4th is when the Teacher's Union will allow schools to re-open
November 4th is when Pelosi will allow the House to resume it's duties
About the only caveat I can put to that date is a question around the huge number of potential mail-in ballots this year. Will states be in position to handle the volume? I've not seen any real information on states gearing up for the increases. Normal years the in-person voting is a large enough percentage that mail-in ballots don't make a huge difference in calling an election on the night of election day. This year may be different. Hell, we may have some states call a winner on election day after their polls close only to change things later on when they work thru the ballots that are collected and brought in after. That's why I said a couple of days ago that I really don't expect to know the winner until mid-November and I expect a lot of court challenges to make the Florida recount of 2000 to seem mild in comparison.
Damn but I hope I'm wrong...
Nonsense. There will not be a tested, safe vaccine until next year at least. Also nonsense to the rest of your comments.
Or the day after!
I'd be surprised if it's before mid-December, but that's just me I suppose.
My son and I were talking about that yesterday. We think it’s going to be a long wait too.
I agree with this, but when he said it, they were supposed to be on a different topic. The unwillingness to stay on topic and abide by debate rules is very frustrating. Maybe I should just stop watching these things.
Donald Trump and coronavirus 'czar' Pence should not lecture others about putting their faith in a politically driven 'concoction.' If you want a trustworthy vaccine, play by the rules of science!
There is no evidence of anything else happening. Do you really think the drug companies are going to put out a vaccine that either doesn't work or is dangerous to the hundreds of millions of people who will be receiving it?
Do you really think car manufacturers like Tesla anc companies like Uber would race to perfect self driving cars and risk thousands of motorists?
Well, yes, yes they did and continue to do in spite of thousands of failures.
Yes. Because money.
Much of which the US government has already paid to 4 or 5 competitors.
It's a win, win for the vaccine makers who usually bear the cost of millions in R&D and kissing various agencies asses.
You're getting ahead of the point. The democratic candidates have already stated they will accept a scientifically CLEARED with standards and practices vaccine. I will too. However, Donald Trump and Mike Pence (so-called, 'virus czar') have no credibility in no role to play in putting forward a medically approved vaccine at any point! Thus, they both should stop talking trash about it. We're not pink-foot babies here. We can hear and discern what these republicans are driving at and its expediency.
A 'rapidly' concocted 'vaccine cocktail' I would not take or encourage anybody to take, not even with Trump's or Pence's mouths or arms! Emphatically!
If conservatives wish to do like Donald and "shoot-up" experimental drugs, and be on the cutting edge, by all means for it. I'll be watching and listening for its reviews afterwards! Oh, and I would expect others to do the same! Wait for the proper (not expediency) sign-offs on a new vaccine!
Thousands? What do you consider a failure? To date, all of 5 people have died in self-driving cars . And I haven't checked them all, but what you usually hear is that the driver was recommended to be paying attention and wasn't.
Money is the reason the pharma companies won't knowingly put out a dangerous or useless vaccine. The lawsuits would destroy them.
You and they should stop going around trying to scare people into believing that a vaccine will hit the streets through any other method.
Neither do you. Neither does Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. But that is exactly what you are doing. You are telling millions of people they should be afraid of any vaccine until the Democratic party says it's safe to take.
That's absurd. That's gaslighting. You're the one talking trash about vaccines. Harris and Biden are the ones talking trash about vaccines. All Trump has done is to speak with hope and positivity about the vaccines.
Expediency, yes! That is the whole point. They have done everything they can to increase the speed and efficiency with which a safe and effective vaccine can be made available - not by the government doing the research, but by making it easier for the manufacturer to do the research. Everyone should want that.
Under Operation Warp Speed, the government has advanced billions of dollars to the various pharmaceutical companies so that they could spend months manufacturing the vaccine before they knew if it would work. So research and production proceed with no financial risk to the companies. That means that as soon as they determine a vaccine works and is safe, they will already have millions of doses ready to go. They are also doing this with therapeutics.
Why on Earth would you not want that? Trump doesn't do everything right, but this particular plan is brilliant and was exactly the right thing to do.
The Democratic fear-mongering over this process is wildly irresponsible. They are politicizing a good faith effort to solve a global health emergency. It's disgusting.
How do you know it's in good faith? Here's how: They aren't just pushing any old vaccine they can. They are making every candidate go through the proper testing process. There are over 100 vaccines being developed. Only 14 were allowed into the program. That number then got cut in half. Only 3 or 4 (I can't keep up with everything) are now in the final phase of trials.
The process is actually very transparent, but you and the Democratic candidates want to make it sound like some secret bullshit is going on behind closed doors all so Trump can get reelected. But there's no evidence that that is true, and plenty that it's not.
There were over 2,000 hardware or software incidents reported to CA last year.
These things are getting better and are inevitable. But we are a long way from being safe.
We also have accidents in cars that don't drive themselves. I don't know if this is such a good comparison.
I have no clue what the heaven that comment is about! From this point on I won't even attempt to remark on it.
Everybody wants a vaccine/cure. I don't know that anybody wants it 'rushed" or "expedited" by the end of the 'month and 'just in time' for the purposes of a single election. However, if it arrives "just in time" and people wish to market themselves as early adopters-just go for it. Some of us are perfectly comfortable lagging behind them. It our privilege, for sure!
Well, now that you've had your say. We're just leave it at that.
One more (closing) thought on my end. Democrats do not begrudge the opposition its role in running the country. For a good work, for a proper vaccine, a proper cure, for the Coronavirus, its sickenings, its deaths, and its "long-hauler" symptoms we could all be grateful—especially ahead of: Winter coming.
The problems stem with Donald. Grandstanding and glaring, he is daily making statements contrary to fact about the virus and arbitrarily setting "stand-down" deadlines and dates for experts and other well-heeled physicians and scientists. And lately he has been exposed as a fraud on the virus; his own 'house' appears riddled with disease. He has no credibility and by extension nor does Pence who is his alter-ego and other persona.
For a good work I do not condemn Donald or conservatives, however I condemn his bullshit rhetoric which leads others to deliberate, abrupt, indecent, improper, damaging, and deadly results - All. Day. Long.
He Who Would Be Called Trustworthy Should Endeavor To Be Found Just So.
Really?
You know that Trump tried to keep the FDA from releasing standards for experimental vaccines to meet right?
You know that Trump claimed that he could override the FDA if he so chooses right?
You know that the FDA JUST release standard DESPITE Trump, not because of him right?
There is every reason to believe that Trump will do anything, including releasing an unsafe vaccine, to win reelection. The only question is whether Trump's sycophants will go along with it. Since Redfield, the CDC Director, just wrote Pence a Doctors clearance to participate in the debate, I don't put anything past any of them.
Then you have nothing to worry about. That's a feature of this panic mongering that makes it all the more absurd. There are clearly more people and procedures involved in the process than just some random comment or tweet from Trump. In spite of knowing this, people persist in this irresponsible talk.
There's actually no reason to believe that because so far, he hasn't done the radical lone gun type things people are always claiming he's going to do - or even that he threatens to do. The Chicken Littles of this country keep forecasting certain doom and it keeps not happening. It's time for people to set aside this political hysteria and focus on the public health emergency.
The problem is that certain topics weren't going to be brought up by the moderator. I think that was an important point. You run into so many people who don't trust a vaccine and it's all because democrats do not want the misery to end before Nov 3rd.
Did you hear what Jane Fonda said today?
"I just think COVID is God's gift to the left"
I agree with her.
In 2015, according to WAPO, 30% of Americans were anti-vaxers. Social media breeds more resistance to vaccines than anything else.
Older people have vivid memories of the Cutter Incident which prompted the severe oversight of vaccine production in America and yet vaccines still fail and are recalled. (Merck 2007 & 2013 ) (Rota shield withdrawn in 1999)
Vaccines fail or have side effects even after years of rigorous testing.
If people have the impression that the process is being rushed
(and it's kind of obvious that there is not and will not be the usual months &/or years of testing)
then they have every reasonable right to be suspicious regardless of political affiliation or finger pointing.
To be honest, I just don't believe that estimate. Way too high!
then they have every reasonable right to be suspicious
Good people weren't suspicious of the Polio vaccine and there was no waiting around on that one. We were a united country then - before the progressives.
The Cutter incident made every on nervous. Don't you remember 1955?
Their vaccine caused polio. Just one batch was enough to ruin America's confidence in the vaccine.
There are always "boogeymen" to point fingers at.
Back then you would have been calling your adversaries communists and supporting Joe.
I remember Jonas Salk and the vaccine America couldn't wait any longer for:
Polio vaccine , preparation of poliovirus given to prevent polio , an infectious disease of the nervous system . The first polio vaccine , known as inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) or Salk vaccine , was developed in the early 1950s by American physician Jonas Salk . This vaccine contains killed virus and is given by injection. The large-scale use of IPV began in February 1954, when it was administered to American schoolchildren. In the following years, the incidence of polio in the United States fell from 18 cases per 100,000 people to fewer than 2 per 100,000.
When you talk about the "Cutter incident", you are talking about a lab mishap:
"Cutter manufactured 120,000 doses of vaccine in which the polio virus had not been deactivated properly. In two out of eight batches produced at the laboratory, some of the polio virus had survived the formaldehyde treatment designed to kill it. It was one of the worst disasters in the history of the US pharmaceutical industry."
Nobody but nobody who lived through that period wanted to go on without a vaccine. Jonas Salk tested the vaccine on himself and his own family and the American people got in line. End of story!
Nonsense. Everyone was on edge for years, afraid to allow their children to be guinea pigs.
When I got mine my mother did not sleep for a week and dragged us all to church frequently.
Pence tried to convince listeners with the big lie that the Trump administration has done a great job regarding the pandemic. Everyone knows that's not the truth.
Pence tried to convince listeners with the big lie that the Trump administration has a health care plan that will protect people with pre-existing conditions. Everyone knows that's not the truth.
Pence was rude and condescending, interrupted frequently and refused to follow the rules. He looked grim.
Harris remained calm and smiled.
Overall, Kamala Harris won the debate decisively, which I believe the polls will reflect.
Did you see the healthcare plan?
I haven't. I'd like to see that plan in its entirety. Just like I would like to see Biden's healthcare plan in its entirety considering it's based on Obama-care, which SCREWED me and my family in regard to emergency care.
Yep, this is the biggest mistake (IMO) of the Trump administration. They keep talking about this great shiny health plan but they don't provide any details. They talk about lowering the cost of insulin but that's really for Medicare/Medicaid. I've long felt that if they want to do away with Obama-care (which I agree , screwed me and a lot of people) then they really should present their plan to the public. The fact that they haven't leads me to believe the plan is just to pivot back to the open market solution we had before 2008.
Until they show their healthcare plan, all they are really doing is handing the Democrats an opening for a policy attack. Or a partisan attack which seems to be the same thing these days.
How so?
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Highlights:
Well, the Vice Presidential debate taught us a few things.
First, the debate wasn't a debate. The candidates were asked different questions and really weren't allowed to respond to each other. That's a dirty trick employed by the news media. The format was chosen, apparently, to give an advantage to the non-incumbent, foster 'rule breaking', and confuse those watching.
We learned that Kamala Harris cannot act Presidential. Harris dove off onto tangents to avoid answering questions; she did not handle that very well. Harris also bristles at any criticism. Harris displayed quite a bit of the same temperamental demeanor that Trump does.
We learned that Mike Pence is not a free-thinker. Pence was very disciplined in staying on script. Pence displayed the demeanor of a competent administrator but not that of an inspiring leader. Pence was more adept at avoiding questions that did not serve his political objective.
All-in-all Mike Pence was the more Presidential of the two. Pence complimented and congratulated both Harris and Biden on several occasions. Pence displayed a sincere interest in people; Harris didn't seem sincere in her concern.
For me the most telling part of the debate(?) was the response to the question from the eight year old at the end. Mike Pence did not dodge that question. Kamala Harris did not even acknowledge the question.