The Radical Left Unleashed
This past week saw the final chapter in the 2020 election - the victories of two radical democratic candidates in the state of Georgia. That election like the general election was marred by rules changes that benefited democrats. The wining margins were razor close and thanks to the sister of Stacey Abrams (GA's democratic machine) those who moved from the state were legally allowed to vote. This now means that as long as Senate democrats vote as a solid unit, they can pass most of their agenda and Joe Biden's judicial appointments will be approved.
We also saw violence in the capitol this past week as some of Donald Trump's supporters were able to break into the Capitol building as well as certain congressional chambers. Unlike all the leftist violence we were subjected to for months the demonstrators faced guns drawn with intent to use them. The DC mayor Muriel Browser called the FBI, Capitol police, DC police, the Maryland State Police & Guard and the Virginia State Police & Guard. In stark contrast to when she had her police stand down when BLM and assorted leftist protesters vandalized Lafayette Square, burning buildings, including a historic church and almost tearing down a statue of Andrew Jackson as well as attempting to storm the White House, she called for every security force available. In 2016, after Donald Trump prepared for his inauguration, antifa rioted in DC causing considerable damage and it was hardly mentioned.
What happened to those rioters you ask?
Muriel Browser had a major DC street painted with the slogan "Black Lives Matter."
Muriel Browser (progressive activist)
BTW after the Capitol building incident which left a female Air Force Veteran and a police officer dead, Browser's first order of business was to push for DC statehood, which would guarantee two more democratic Senators for a congress which is destined to face an angry public in 2022.
Impeachment Act 2
Nancy Pelosi with a full head of steam is now looking to end any chance that Donald Trump will run again in 2024. She is counting heads and making lists. The nation will have to endure another faux impeachment, but this time the votes of never-Trump Republican Senators will be crucial. They are going to blame the President for the riots and try to end his political career once and for all.
HR 10 is not far off.
Censorship Act 2
A crackdown on Civil Liberties has begun. The great leftist social media giants are censoring speech. Twitter has permanently suspended Donald Trump's account and Facebook soon followed. Google removed the free speech outlet Parler from it's Play Store app and Apple has threatened to do the same. Simon & Schuster cancelled publication of Josh Hawley's book because he also seems to be on the left's enemies list.
Joe Biden
The proxy-in-Chief
Worst of all is the proxy that will be entering the White House. Let's leave aside his cognitive dysfunction. Yesterday we found him claiming that BLM protestors would have been treated differently than the Trump supporters, as if the unprepared DC police were some kind of racists. The truth is that the BLM protesters were treated differently, but in a much different way than the ever confused Biden claimed. BLM was able to do anything it wanted in 2020. Blue state governors & mayors had their police forces stand down during all the rioting and violence. Nobody was protected from the left wing mob. This time rioters will be punished as they should have been all year.
Instead of demonizing half the population, maybe Joe should remember what he told us about being a leader for all the people and seeking unity. Maybe he never read the words that were written for him. The outgoing President conceded the other day and asked for unity and an orderly transition. Joe Biden rejected the overture. He too is intoxicated with all the power now back in the hands of our leftist ruling class.
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Buckle up - We are in for a long, brutal, Orwellian ride.
Rules will be vigorously enforced
it sucks that the implosion of the republican party caused by POTUS provoked domestic terrorists and his gullible sore loser followers is spewing shit all over decent america.
What are the rules ?
Sorry, I will be back shortly. Be good, because I will enforce civility.
Wouldn't one have to have it, or at least a general understanding of it, before they could enforce it?
I think we witnessed some of that trump supporter civility in DC last wednesday.
With all the new videos and information coming out, it's getting worse by the minute.
Vic, I think you are probably a good man in "real life". In your political life and your life as a propagandist on social media, you are an extremist. Your political views are out of the mainstream.
One quick example - you think that closing down Trump on twitter is a violation of some sort of commitment to "free speech".
Trump is a dangerous individual, as most pathological liars are when they achieve a wide audience. Liberals and leftists are not the present threat to America, people who think they are losing their freedoms because we are becoming a multicultural society are the threat, because they are now desperate enough to take action.
Pot meet kettle.
I seriously doubt that I have ever made a politically extreme statement on this forum. Calling Donald Trump a piece of shit is not extreme, it is obvious.
You probably think calling for a 2% wealth tax on the very rich is extremism. Thats your problem.
Let's see if democrats are up to that. I doubt it!
Deflection.
The wealth tax is relatively insignificant to the fortunes of very wealthy people. For someone who has 51 million dollars the tax would be 20,000 dollars, leaving them with a mere $50,000,980 after the tax. Yet it is something that could raise billions of dollars per year that could be used to help those in the lower economic classes have a little bit better life.
This is not "robbing" or "stealing" from the rich, this is society deciding it has priorities more important than letting people acquire stratospeheric wealth that will mainly be passed down to their individual descendants.
The cap affects only 2 states and in those 2 states, it affects the middle class the most, so yeah, people are upset.
a wealth tax does not limit success any more than an income tax limits success. that is nonsense.
None of that is true.
Agree. Someone making 50 mil has to pay a mil or two in taxes. Boo hoo, it is not hurting their bottom line.
I am going to break my protocol and respond to you this one time just to say, I actually have to agree with that.
Imo it is things like the EIC that put people into a different column.
Yes, it is, but that part of the code was only recently changed, and it was politically motivated and not motivated to equal the playing field. You implied that the rich were affected, which was not true. The middle and working classes were affected.
Prove that Sean. You seem to forget that I am a CPA in one of those states.
Individuals that make 20,000 a year do pay income tax. A family that makes that sum would not pay taxes because they are likely (or should be) receiving government assistance. It makes absolutely no sense to have people who receive food stamps or medicaid pay federal income tax.
Look at it this way. Our system enables ambitious people to pursue their dreams. The opportunities are not equal, but even people with humble beginnings can improve their situations.
But our system also includes a snowball effect that kicks in based on market and mind share that is enabled with the accumulation of productive resources. Whereas initial wealth accumulation is based on hard work and effort, one (some) can reach a critical mass where the accumulation of productive resources is so great that it is just a wealth generation machine. This is what has taken Musk, Bezos, Gates, etc. from uber successful and wealthy individuals into extreme wealth and power.
What if that snowball effect was systemically moderated? This would not be trying to stop people from growing wealthy, only to prevent extreme wealth and power from winding up in the hands of a very tiny minority.
Musk is now worth $185+ billion dollars. The question is how much of that wealth is a function of the snowball effect enabled by our system versus truly earned by the individual's efforts? The next question is the value of heirs securing the power of their successful parents. That is basically the ancient notion of royalty / aristocracy.
This would not even be much of a question if the consolidation of wealth and power did not adversely affect society. It really does not matter what the numbers are if they are just score-keeping. But they are not simply score-keeping; they are absolutely actionable. Unless you think it best for such wealth and power to be consolidated in a tiny minority it should be obvious that society would be better served if our system did not allow such a snowball effect.
I wonder if Elon Musk (as an example) would be able to survive if his 20th billion was harder to achieve than his first 10?
Because taxes are proportional to income.
A person making $65K and paying $1,500 more in taxes is more affected than a person making $250K a year who is paying $15,000 more a year.
You seem to forget I've done this multiple times.
Fist, filers in every state are effected. California taxpayers pay the most (20.7% of the national amount), North Dakota, the least (.1 percent).
Second, the SALT tax deduction is more skewed towards the "rich" than the benefits then the progressives' evil bogeyman , the 2017 Trump Tax cut that is supposedly nothing but a handout to the rich. . 57% of the benefits of the reinstatement of the SALT tax subsidy would flow to the top 1%in income. 97% of the benefits go to those in the top 20%.
These are facts.
I have been at the school of thought that while yes capitalism can be great, unfettered capitalism can be bad.
There needs to be checks and balances.
And you seem to forget that I keep telling you that I am not including the state tax amount. I would not be opposed to removing the SALT component of the calculation and just let it stand as local property taxes.
So that link does not show how our middle class is being killed by the cap, since the state tax is based on income, but local school taxes are based on your home values.
If all you make is $65k and you get $1,500 removed, that hurts you more than a person who makes $250K and gets 15K removed. $63.5 is a much tighter budget than $235K is, don't you think?
And people who make less, can't make ends meet. Do we really need more people on the dole?
I am not opposed to a flat tax, but I would have to see how it would be implemented. Again, 2.5% taxes hurts a lower-income family than a wealthier one.
But by law, anyone making less than 30K is excused from paying taxes, hence the 42% who "don't pay" taxes.
They actually save more. For example, if you had a mere $50 million, would you be out on a spending spree or would you invest your money? When you die, do you expect that you will have spent your wealth or will you pass it on to your next generation?
If this money was held collectively by people who do not have a ton of discretionary buying power they would indeed by spending it. And the part that the saved would likely first go to saving for retirement, healthcare and college.
BTW, if you argue that investment puts money into the economy then I will agree, but that is true of every investment (even those by ordinary citizens). And I will remind you that consumerism is a better method for putting money into the economy than playing with the stock market.
No I am not suggesting that. I am not a fan of redistributing wealth. What I would do is address the system so that going forward it does not leave such powerful tools as the snowball effect.
Paraphrasing one of my points. $1,000,000,000 in the hands of a multi-billionaire will be used as that billionaire sees fit. Typically, people with such wealth cannot realistically spend it. Thus it is typically invested and the power of that wealth is leveraged to accumulate more wealth.
In contrast if that $1,000,000,000 was in the hands of one million everyday citizens (that is $1,000 for each citizen) we would typically see that money used in consumerism with one million people voting with their pocketbooks and shaping the market to meet their needs.
People who make or already have enough money to be taxed with "wealth" taxes are not lacking for spending cash, even after the tax is applied.
Someone who has 50 million dollars can afford to pay a 20,000 tax.
I did not use direct payment as an example. Where do you see me saying that a direct payment would be made? I spoke of it being in the hands of a million people instead of the hands of one person. You realize that I cannot make my point unless somehow that money is in their hands. I did not specify that it would be a transfer of wealth.
Do you care about understanding the point I made Texan?
I have to laugh at people who think a society has no justification for taxing wealth. Such people think they have a "god given" right to accumulate, and keep without being taxed, as much money as they can.
There are no god given rights. It is a utopian phrase. Rights are granted or administered by the government. Try proving you own your house without the government. There is no such thing as natural, god given property rights. It is an invention of enlightenment philosophers.
Now, I would agree that individual property rights are a good thing, and we all like to enjoy them, but they are not "natural". Dog eat dog, I like your house I take it from you by force, that is what is natural.
If a society chooses through its representatives to tax extreme wealth to fund programs for the poor, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Texan you oft complain about condescension yet you write comments like this (after I have already explained this once) that show you either cannot comprehend plain English or choose to pretend that you do not. Either way, it is not admirable.
So you will consider this condescending but consider I am trying to address what is now a stupid question:
The $1 billion scenario was an example to illustrate a concept. Since this apparently confuses you I will be more specific:
My point is that the million consumers infusing their collective $1 billion into the economy (and thereby voting with their pocketbooks to help shape the market) is healthier than one person investing the $1 billion to leverage that capital into even more wealth.
This really should be clear enough to comprehend.
Texan, good grief man, I am not and have not made any proposals for how to solve fundamental class disparity in our socio-economic/political system.
Well if you expect comments in a forum like this to be based on well-conceived national strategies then you have a bizarre understanding of forums.
And I did not propose a theory. I was making a point that apparently you just cannot bring yourself to even acknowledge.
Based on the following reply, it's not apparent. It's certain.
And by the same token I have never included you with our extreme 8.
In your political life and your life as a propagandist on social media, you are an extremist. Your political views are out of the mainstream.
I happen to believe I am one of the remaining members of a once great society (74 Million voters).
One quick example - you think that closing down Trump on twitter is a violation of some sort of commitment to "free speech".
Trump is a dangerous individual, as most pathological liars are when they achieve a wide audience.
If what you say had merit wouldn't Twitter shut down Iran’s supreme leader's account for his “anti-Semitic and genocidal” messages??? Right there John is the proof. It's biased censorship.
John's party has not lost control of The House of Representatives, The United States Senate and the Presidency all in just the last two years. No, that would be you and your party, the gop. So, who is outside the political mainstream?
LOL! list them.
I don't have to. We all know who they are.
The mainstream doesn't change every election cycle. The democrats controlled all three branches when Obama won in 2008 with super majorities. It only took two years of radicalism to lose them and eventually Obama paved the way for Trump.
Also, Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un have Twitter accounts. Louis Farrakhan has a Twitter account. There are plenty of prominent, awful people on Twitter.
Shame on you!
Wouldn't one have to have shame, or at least a general understanding of it, before pinning it on others?
I agree, and I think they should be all thrown off. Do you really think we should be helping spread their propaganda? But remember Twitter is a private company, so we play by their rules.
I don’t mind that a private company is free to make what I would consider to be terrible choices. I guess what I object to is that they present - and are legally treated - like public forums where speech is free.
I don't know about a written "blacklist" preventing people from getting future jobs, but of course those who have unfailingly propped up this preposterous presidency should be held accountable. I would not consider voting for anyone who worked in the Trump white house, for example. I think someone like Kayleigh McAnany has earned the right to be shunned in decent media circles. She played a very willing little Ms Goebbels in the waning months of the disgraced regime. Why would she be given props for all that garbage? The same for all the Millers, Bannons, Scavinos, Giulianis , and all the other dregs of society that made the last 4 years what they were.
Sounds like you are using Joe Biden's obnoxious example. How did Biden say it? When Dresden was bombed and 250 were killed, I mean 2,500 were killed, ah 25,000 were killed, it was Goebbels who said it was 250,000 and that's what got printed!
I'm sure Biden wouldn't know, nor do many others, but Historian Richard J. Evans estimates that approximately 25,000 people died during these bombings. Frederick Taylor estimates that from 25,000 to 40,000 people died as a result of the Dresden bombings.
Beyond that and the fact that Joe Biden can't seem to complete a simple sentence, the big lie of my lifetime that was repeated over and over again was that Donald Trump colluded with Russia!
All you do is deflect, bring up irrelevant points, invent stuff, etc.
People are seriously talking about removing from office a president who is going to be removed by the normal course of events in 10 days anyway. How horrible of a leader and human being do you have to be to be forced out immediately during your final 10 days? Why dont you address that instead of all this other drivel?
No, John, I think I'm bringing up issues that many Americans living in fear want to discuss.
People are seriously talking about removing from office a president who is going to be removed by the normal course of events in 10 days anyway.
No, John, Nancy Pelosi is talking about doing that and there is a method to her madness - she doesn't want him running again in 2024.
How horrible of a leader and human being do you have to be to be forced out immediately during your final 10 days?
He is feared by the radical left.
Why dont you address that instead of all this other drivel?
John, that is the drivel!
And you do?
It is hard to even form into words the level of delusion that some MAGA are experiencing.
You should have got off the ride 10 years ago when he revived a dormant birther movement in order to attract white racists to his newborn 2012 presidential ambitions. That has always been what has animated Donald Trump's political movement. The fear some whites have that they are "losing" "their" country. It is as plain as day.
No John, I don't.
It is hard to even form into words the level of delusion that some MAGA are experiencing.
It's not some MAGA, it's YOU! You won the election John. It's over!
You should have got off the ride 10 years ago when he revived a dormant birther movement in order to attract white racists to his newborn 2012 presidential ambitions.
Stop dividing the nation. You got your black vote. It's over.
That has always been what has animated Donald Trump's political movement. The fear some whites have that they are "losing" "their" country. It is as plain as day.
Wrong again. Class is what divides us. The faux educated class vs the muscular class.
As of ten minutes ago you are STILL calling Donald Trump a hero. In the past two weeks he has tried to get an official of Georgia to tamper with the vote in that state to illegally make him the winner, and then egged on a crowd to try and force the Senate to nullify a legally held and decided election. And you STILL say Trump is a hero. It is disgraceful.
I stand by everything I say, John. You know that.
Nancy Pelosi is about to make him a martyr and I'm all for it.
I know the opposite. You stated:
Yet when challenged, not a peep from you. Perhaps your concept of standing by what you say is different than mine.
WTF is your POINT Vic. Goebbels claimed that the attack on Dresden was an attempt to destroy Germany's culture, that there were no military targets and that at least 200,000 were killed. ALL of which are a LIE, repeated ad nauseam, which you seem desperate to perpetrate 80 years later.
Your deflection from Kayleigh McAnany to what Biden said is a failure.
Kind of like Trump's claims about election fraud or theft. And people who refuse to or lack the ability to think critically simply latch right on to it and perpetuate the nonsense.
Really Vic? Your posit is that TODAY, 'Americans living in fear want to discuss' Biden's comment about Dresden? What brought you to that utterly ridiculous conclusion?
Please refrain from posting bullshit about Pelosi being the ONE that wants Trump impeached or removed through the 25th Amendment. It's a lie and WE all know it. Hell, there are multiple GOP Senators that want him to resign.
He is feared MORE by the supplicant right. Hell, they cringe at the very thought of a mean tweet. While they whine about censorship, I have no doubt that they give a sigh of relief because twitter took away Trump's biggest weapon against them.
Nope, it's not. It's a cogent, relevant question. Got an answer?
It seems that Twitter had more than enough good reasons to delete and ban Trump from their site.
Numerous watchdog agencies reported the online chatter about the riot yet it seems the that agencies responsible fell on their face the Capital Police being the most obvious failure.
Twitter warns of new violence to come, brewing again on social media, as reason for Trump ban
Kavika,
I hate to point it out, but you can't stop an idea. I am not sure how to treat this, but I worry that all that has been accomplished is driving this idea underground.
Yes, Democrats have no place to hide now. This is the worst possible outcome for Democrats.
Democrats will be forced to end the Senate filibuster. Kamala Harris will become more visible than Joe Biden as President of the Senate. Democrats won't be able to blame Republicans for stalling their agenda because they control both the White House and Congress.
Democrats are in a position to either disappoint the various factions of their base or do nothing. And doing nothing is no longer an option.
Right-wing militias, neo-Nazis and neo-Confederates invaded and ransacked the U. S. Capitol three days ago, and this article is about "The Radical Left Unleashed"?
That's taking distraction and diversion to the Nth degree.
This fits perfectly.
Link please
I said a link
A picture is worth a thousand words.
They are proof of exactly what scum were there and in the capital.
Since you are apparently unaware of what occurred at the U.S. Capitol this week, here are several links:
I could provide a few dozen more links if it would help you.
For your further education, here are some links about distraction as a propaganda technique:
Kavika , some of them hide their heads in the sand and have been doing so for years. We don't have to wonder where all the misinformation comes from.
Next he'll ask you to prove the photos weren't doctored by The Squad.
No I'm sure there are some crazies on this side of the ledger. I asked him for a link concerning the groups he mentioned.
Vic has the link and the photos I suppose if that isn't enough proof then we know full well that facts are too difficult to absorb.
[DELETED Too funny.]
You're welcome
Yes, I see they identify the same handful of individuals in the pictures. So there were a few extremists that stormed the Capitol. That's kind of like saying the riots we had for months & months were mostly peaceful!
You want it both ways. Either denounce all of it or admit to bias.
Vic knows there were extremists in that crowd and Vic denounced their actions.
Vic, everyone who entered that building with the intention of going to the Senate chamber and forcing them to nullify a legally held and conducted national election is an extremist. Virtually the entire crowd were extremists.
No way. PROVE IT!
Thousands attacked the Capitol, that more than proves it but you keep making excuses for traitors to our country, fitting.
False equivalency.
Please explain why you think that video of insurgents INSIDE of the Capitol building isn't sufficient evidence.
Tell me why video of insurgents OUTSIDE of the Capitol building, vandalizing and refusing to disperse isn't sufficient evidence.
Or is it your posit that one need not be an extremist to commit those acts?
Vic,
I will denounce both, but there is a fundamental difference.
While the looting and destruction that happened during the protests was thievery and rioting plain and simple, the attack on our Capital, which was in session, was an attack on our democracy.
I can't argue that.
Thousands out of perhaps a hundred thousand.
“A riot,” Martin Luther King once said, “is the language of the unheard.” Other than that note, most of those at the rally did not partake in the violence.
Nope. I want to see them prosecuted to the full extent of the new law.
Five deaths and scores more injured somehow become collateral damage in the quixotic attempt at overturning an irrefutable election outcome?
It was a tragedy. A speech that didn't call for violence, but probably never should have been given.
Please.
I know the feeling. I have the same feeling about every riot. All the way back to the late 60's and Vietnam.
More false equivalencies Vic. How the fuck can you claim that Trump's insurgents were unheard after he spent over a hour addressing them in person?
WTF is your point Vic? I haven't seen ANYONE claiming that EVERY participant in the rally is culpable. I sure as hell haven't.
BTFW, you didn't give a fuck when 'most of those at the' BLM protest didn't 'partake in the violence'. You and yours have been all about using as broad a brush as possible to paint ALL of those protestors as 'looters and arsonists' and much more.
Your comment drips with hypocrisy.
Lol. In other words, it doesn't matter if the new President listens to their concerns as long as they get a pat on the back from Trump? Got it.
WTF is your point Vic?
That extremists took advantage of the rally.
I haven't seen ANYONE claiming that EVERY participant in the rally is culpable. I sure as hell haven't.
Then look again at some of the comments here.
BTFW, you didn't give a fuck when 'most of those at the' BLM protest didn't 'partake in the violence'. You and yours have been all about using as broad a brush as possible to paint ALL of those protestors as 'looters and arsonists' and much more.
At those riots I simply wanted the perpetrators prosecuted the same way these will be.
Your comment drips with hypocrisy.
Projection as usual!
No Vic, NOT in other words. My statement was clear and in no need of your fabricated misinterpretation.
The 'extremists' followed Trump's instructions.
No need.
Bullshit.
Delusional as usual.
When will those who pretend to be all about 'law and order' educate themselves about that topic?
The Mayor of DC has NO responsibility for the protection of the Capitol OR Lafayette Square. Those places are under FEDERAL jurisdiction. The Capitol is policed by the Capitol Police, Lafayette Square is policed by the National Park Police. While the Mayor of DC can NOTIFY Federal LEO's about events, she has NO responsibility OR authority to defend those Federal properties.
Secondly, it's been well reported that Steny Hoyer called Governor Hogan of Maryland for help and Hogan was DENIED clearance to enter DC for almost 2 hours.
Here is a statement from the DC Council on Jan. 6th:
Yes the Virginia State Police & Guard are being sent @ the Speaker's, the Minority Leader's AND the Mayor's request.
Which begs the question: WHY did the DoD deny the deployment of the DC NG?
Oh and do you KNOW who controls the DC NG? Hint: Trump.
You have to wonder what in the hell happened to create this epic failure of command.
The only ones that seemed to have their shit together were D.C, MD and VA.
Maybe for the same reason that blue state governors and mayors rejected the idea of the President sending in the National Guard, or maybe nobody expected violence from the Trump group. I think it's the latter.
The president doesn't send in NG that is the Governor of the state.
The latter...LOL yeah sure, that's why the resignations. It's called a total epic failure. The information was all over the internet and many of the groups that track the extremist group were sending warning signs for weeks.
That's correct and as we all know, the President kept telling blue state governors to do it and they habitually refused. You know it too.
The information was all over the internet and many of the groups that track the extremist group were sending warning signs for weeks.
Then where oh where was the msm? Why didn't you tell us?
That a lie, you need to quit trying to cover your bullshit with lies.
MSN posted a number of articles on it of course so did groups like ADL it's on record. If you asking why I didn't tell you it's because your a Trump follower and don't believe in facts.
Here is a fact for you:
"President Trump said Saturday that he was prepared to once again send in National Guard troops to cities if asked, following the 86th consecutive night of chaos in Portland, Oregon.
“Another bad night of Rioting in Portland, Oregon. A small number of Federal troops there to protect courthouse and other Federal property only (great job!),” Trump tweeted Saturday morning. “Wanting to be asked by City & State to STOP THE RIOTS. Would bring in National Guard, end problem immediately. ASK!”
Protests were so violent in downtown Portland last night that cops declared it a riot early Saturday.
The crowd of roughly 100 threw glass bottles, broke windows in patrol cars and pointed lasers outside a precinct Friday night before police decided to move in, The Associated Press reported."
nypost.com/2020/08/22/trump-offers-to-send-national-guard-to-portland-to-end-violence/
Believe it or not he said a lot of things that were true.
Did you look at the link listing all the governors that called out the NG. [ DELETED ]
You don't want to deal with the truth, that's on you.
Here is another link showing the threats on the internet now for the coming inauguration.
Have a great day in the alternate universe.
It has NOTHING to do with expectations, the violence was OCCURING and Trump refused to deploy the DC NG.
You too.
Here's a fact for YOU Vic.
Governors don't need to ASK Trump to deploy the NG since they COMMAND of their own fucking NG.
I like it!
The epitaph for the New York Times.
Why didn't they expect violence from the 'Trump group'?
Where would you expect violence?
From here:
Or here:
The evidence shows, here:
Oh dear, another meaningless picture!
Just remember, all the plywood put up in DC was put up in the event Trump won. That was the fear - that the left would again riot if he won. People don't tend to expect things that haven't happened before.
If the obvious answer is meaningless, so was the question.
The plywood that they are putting up NOW is to cover the broken windows at the US Capitol breached by Trump's mob of insurrectionists. You must be proud.
Vic would you expect violence from people who carry confederate flags into the capitol building? People who wear shirts with approving memes about genocide on them? How about from those who erect makeshift gallows with a noose in front of the seat of government? When the Trump loving rioters broke out windows in order to enter the Capitol Building, what were they going inside there to do? Go sightseeing? Two Trump supporters entered the Senate chamber with zip ties IN THEIR HANDS. Why? Who did they intend to restrain?
Trump famously said about the Q Anon nutcases - "all I know about them is they like me". There is no doubt whatsoever that he would say the same thing about those who rioted on his behalf at the Capitol Building. No doubt whatsoever.
YESTERDAY Trump told Kevin McCarthy, the Republican leader in the House, that "antifa" was responsible for the insurrection at the Capitol. Trump said this after the US Department of Justice said antifa had NO involvement. Trump said that to McCarthy yesterday, because he is a sick, evil, man. At leasat Mc Carthy mustered up the guts to tell Trump he was wrong. It's too late for McCarthy to save his own honor after years of being a Trump lapdog, but at least he finally said it.
When are you going to say it Vic?
John, I didn't see any of that until the Capitol was breeched. Those people came and hid within that enormous crowd until they saw the chance to make their move. I don't recall seeing anything like that come out of a Trump rally. Anyone who claims they have is obviously a liar.
Trump famously said about the Q Anon nutcases - "all I know about them is they like me".
He should have called CNN. CNN seem to be obsessed with Q Anon. They're the experts.
When are you going to say it Vic?
NEVER. Trump, as I've told you many times, has done exactly what this nation needed. In addition, he got the America First Movement going. As he leaves the public square we are all better for it, despite the temporary rise of the leftist authoritarian state. Someone will take his place. We know who the enemy of America is and I have a feeling the nation is in for a lot of social unrest. The counter revolution has begun.
Your comment is complete nonsense.
Vic, every one of those mother fuckers went through a security entrance. Unless you think that they all did a 'Clark Kent' strip somewhere, their 'swag' was visible for all to see.
So show me the piles of discarded disguises that those mother fuckers dropped in route to the Capitol or admit that your 'posit' is laughable.
I only looked at the crowd in the early morning. It looked to me like a lot of family types.
Vic,
I find it deeply disturbing that you are referring to your fellow Americans who hold an opposite opinion to you, "Enemy of America. Furthermore, what exactly is the counter-revolution? An Idea or a call to action, and if action, what would that action be?
No, they were opposites in terms of ideology, but they used similar violent methods.
What would you call those who don't believe in the 1st, 2nd or 4th Amendments? They no longer believe in Civil liberties or the rule of law. What should I call them?
Furthermore, what exactly is the counter-revolution?
We once had a social revolution in the late 60's. Those individuals left the universities and took control of most of our institutions and are now the ruling class. I believe we are seeing a similar revolution from the other side.
An Idea or a call to action, and if action, what would that action be?
It is hard to say. If it is violent (the FBI is warning of violence in all 50 states on inauguration day) it will surely fail, because this time all the power of government and the media is against it. However, if it can produce leaders it will have some form of influence. I don't know if it will lead to a new political party or win elections, I just know it exists.
Vic,
There is no one that I know of who doesn't believe in those Amendments. Some might feel that there are some limitations to them, but not to do away with them entirely. You can not expect corporations to do what you want them to do. That has been my complaint about them all along. By those standards, shouldn't "Citizens United" be done away with, too?
What needs to be examined is how much power we want to give corporations.
Obama was right on that one - YES!
What needs to be examined is how much power we want to give corporations.
After Twitter and Facebook killed the Hunter Biden story, do you think the democrats will set any limits on them now?
How so? There is no rush by any party to set limits to corporations. We even financially support them... I doubt we would see any change by any party.
So your comment is utterly uninformed. Thanks for admitting as much.
How about monopoly concerns?
Or
BIAS?
The government cannot legislate bias and they should not try.
Two photos of peaceful protestors, the second showing them respecting the line with police just standing there, no pushing or shoving, just peaceful protestors wanting their voices heard. Thank you for pointing out the glaring difference between the protests and the seditious violent attack on the capital by rabid right wing Trump supporters.
The only way to prevent it is to allow everything.
The 'other side' of a social revolution is an anti-social revolution. What we saw at the Capitol qualifies. Is THAT what you support?
Are you FOR violence in all 50 states Vic?
I posit that it's not just the government and media that is against violence, the vast majority of 'we the people' are against it too.
They already HAVE a 'form of influence'. Trump is STILL in office and bore it to fruition through violent rhetoric. We ALL know it exists and MOST of us always knew that Trump's 'movement' would end in violence.
We are supposed to have protection from monopolies thru anti-trust laws.
And everyone has a bias even corporations.
That is unrealistic.
That's ridiculous Vic. There were MULTIPLE seeds from MULTIPLE sources right here on NT about the Hunter Biden 'story'. That proves unequivocally, that NO ONE 'killed' that story.
It was on hourly repeat on FOX and other right wing rags during the 2020 campaign even though the story had nothing to do with Biden. All I fucking heard from right wing media was "What about "the big guy?" "who is the "big guy?" "what about the laptop?!" "waaaah!, Hunter Biden, waaaaah! Hunter Biden waaaaah! Burisma, waaaaah!" for months.
What Vic and others are bitching about is that major news networks didn't carry their water for them and do the same whining about Hunter Biden even though there still hasn't been any proof of any actual conspiracy or crime. Hunter being investigated for tax fraud was supposed to be some damning "Ah Ha!" moment but had zero to do with Joe Biden or the election, but the right was furious that the MSM wasn't smearing Joe Biden with it as if that somehow proved he was complicit or was "dirty". That's what they're really complaining about, yet we never here them bitching about FOX and Breitbart or any right wing media not covering all of the Trump scandals or admitting that he was fairly impeached for trying to extort a foreign government for dirt on his political opponent. Not a peep about that, no it's all the MSM's fault for not being "fair" to Trump and his sycophants.
Unfortunately, there is no Teddy Roosevelt who can't be bought. This time the favors involved the election and all of America can see it.
As I recall I was instructed to use the word "alleged" when I referred to the laptop as Hunter's. That's how it went here!
What an incredibly dishonest argument.
Twitter and Facebook actively suppressed it, and the Biden supporting MSM media ignored it, except to lie about it being "Russian propaganda."
That's irrelevant.
You're deflecting from the facts that you KNOW are true while admitting that you participated in those seeds. Hence proving that your claim that the story was killed is BS.
Get a fucking mirror.
Look up the word 'KILLED' Sean.
It may behoove you to gain a cogent understanding of a thread before posting bullshit kneejerk replies.
The Metropolitan Police Department in Washington is responsible for crowd control in the city, and the mayor told Justice Department officials that she didn't want or need their help. While city police helped retake the Capitol, they were unable to stop the crowd from getting there in the first place.
YOUR link states that the Capitol Police were notified by the FBI.
Oh and BTFW, the NG was supposed to control traffic around the rally. Where the fuck were THEY Vic?
Oh and WHY was the 'Trump group' allowed to being backpacks and polls to the rally when other rally permits PROHIBIT them?
Maybe they were defunded?
Oh and WHY was the 'Trump group' allowed to being backpacks and polls to the rally when other rally permits PROHIBIT them?
DC also prohibits masks being worn. WHY was antifa not prosecuted for their DC riot in 2016?
Back in a few. Keep it civil.
No they are not. They are putting the squelch on traitorous, lying, filthy scum like Trump so they cannot spread their untruths and plan seditious acts. Trump should be in jail, along with Hawley and Stefanik and the rest of the mob that rushed the capitol for the sole purpose of overturning a legal and valid election.
Says it all
Peaceful protestors always erect gallows. /s
And just happen to find all the things to make that along the 'protest' route...
That election like the general election was marred by rules changes that benefited democrats.
Oh... you mean changes like... purging voting rolls, reducing polling places, and the like... supported by Republicans.
Why not encourage EVERY eligible voter to vote in EVERY election??? Why not make it EASIER for everyone to vote??? Oh... I see... I guess that would mean Republicans would have difficulty winning elections in all but the reddest of red states.
Abolish the electoral college!