Libertarian Group Demands NASA Remove False '97 Percent Consensus' Global Warming Claim

  
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Libertarian Group Demands NASA Remove False '97 Percent Consensus' Global Warming Claim
"The claim that 97% of climate scientists believe humans are the primary cause of global warming is simply false," CEI attorney Devin Watkins said in a statement. "That figure was created only by ignoring many climate scientists’ views, including those of undecided scientists. It is time that NASA correct the record and present unbiased figures to the public."

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On Tuesday, the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) sent NASA a formal complaint, asking the agency to withdraw the false claim that 97 percent of climate scientists agree that humans are the primary cause of global warming and climate change. The 2013 study purporting to demonstrate that number was fatally flawed and proved no such thing.

"The claim that 97% of climate scientists believe humans are the primary cause of global warming is simply false," CEI attorney Devin Watkins said in a statement. "That figure was created only by ignoring many climate scientists’ views, including those of undecided scientists. It is time that NASA correct the record and present unbiased figures to the public."

According to the CEI complaint, NASA's decision to repeat the false claim violated the Information Quality Act (IQA). Specifically, NASA claimed that "[n]inety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities." The claim appears on the NASA website on the page "Climate Change: How Do We Know?"

The claim traces back to a study led by John Cook entitled "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature" and published in the journal Environmental Research Letters in 2013.

The study is fundamentally dishonest, as the CEI complaint explains. The study analyzed all published peer-reviewed academic research papers from 1991 to 2011 that use the terms "global warming" or "global climate change." The study placed the papers into seven categories: explicit endorsement with quantification, saying humans are responsible for 50+ percent of climate change; explicit endorsement without quantification; implicit endorsement; no position or uncertain; implicit rejection; explicit rejection with qualification; and explicit rejection without qualification.

The study found: 64 papers had explicitly endorsed anthropogenic global warming (AGW) with quantification (attributing at least half of climate change to humans); 922 papers had explicitly endorsed AGW without quantifying how much humans contribute; 2,910 papers had implicitly endorsed AGW; 7,930 papers did not state a position and 40 papers were uncertain; 54 papers implicitly rejected AGW by affirming the possibility that natural causes explain climate change; 15 papers explicitly rejected AGW without qualification; and 9 papers explicitly rejected AGW with quantification, saying human contributions to global warming are negligible.

So how did Cook and his team come up with the 97 percent number? They added up the first three categories (3,896 papers), compared them to the last three categories (78 papers) and the papers expressing uncertainty (40 papers), and completely ignored the nearly 8,000 papers that did not state a position.

Of the papers Cook's team characterized as stating a position, 97 percent (3,896 of the 4,014 papers) favored the idea of man-made global warming.

See the problem? The study completely discounted the majority of the papers it analyzed (66.4 percent — 7,930 of the 11,944 papers analyzed). With those papers included, only 32.6 percent of the papers explicitly or implicitly endorsed AGW (3,896 of 11,944 papers).

But it gets worse. Many of the scientists who wrote the original papers Cooks' team analyzed complained that this study mischaracterized their research.

The survey "included 10 of my 122 eligible papers. 5/10 were rated incorrectly. 4/5 were rated as endorse rather than neutral," complained Dr. Richard Tol, professor of the economics of climate change at Vrije Universiteit.

He argued that of the 112 omitted papers, only 1 strongly endorses man-made global warming.

"That is not an accurate representation of my paper," wrote geography Ph.D. Craig Idso. "Nope ... it is not an accurate representation," Nir Shaviv, associate professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, wrote.

Ph.D. physicist Nicola Scafetta complained that "Cook et al. (2013) is based on a strawman argument because it does not correctly define the IPCC AAGW theory, which is NOT that human emissions have contributed 50%+ of the global warming since 1900 but that almost 90-100% of the observed global warming was induced by human emission."

Cook's team categorized his paper as one that "explicitly endorses and quantifies AGW as 50+%." Scafetta countered, "What my papers say is that the IPCC view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun."

Even including Scafetta's incorrectly categorized study, Cook's team only found 64 papers that explicitly endorsed man-made global warming and attributed more than 50 percent of it to human activity. That represents a minuscule 0.5 percent of the 11,944 papers. Even excluding the 66.4 percent of the papers that did not take a position, the 50 percent plus approach only accounts for 1.6 percent of all papers in the Cook study.

The study — and the 97 percent figure that depends on it — is fatally flawed, and NASA has 120 days to respond to the CEI complaint. It is far past time people reject this false claim.

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XXJefferson#51
1  seeder  XXJefferson#51    one week ago

“According to the CEI complaint, NASA's decision to repeat the false claim violated the Information Quality Act (IQA). Specifically, NASA claimed that "[n]inety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities." The claim appears on the NASA website on the page "Climate Change: How Do We Know?"

The claim traces back to a study led by John Cook entitled "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature" and published in the journal Environmental Research Letters in 2013.

The study is fundamentally dishonest, as the CEI complaint explains. The study analyzed all published peer-reviewed academic research papers from 1991 to 2011 that use the terms "global warming" or "global climate change." The study placed the papers into seven categories: explicit endorsement with quantification, saying humans are responsible for 50+ percent of climate change; explicit endorsement without quantification; implicit endorsement; no position or uncertain; implicit rejection; explicit rejection with qualification; and explicit rejection without qualification.

The study found: 64 papers had explicitly endorsed anthropogenic global warming (AGW) with quantification (attributing at least half of climate change to humans); 922 papers had explicitly endorsed AGW without quantifying how much humans contribute; 2,910 papers had implicitly endorsed AGW; 7,930 papers did not state a position and 40 papers were uncertain; 54 papers implicitly rejected AGW by affirming the possibility that natural causes explain climate change; 15 papers explicitly rejected AGW without qualification; and 9 papers explicitly rejected AGW with quantification, saying human contributions to global warming are negligible.

So how did Cook and his team come up with the 97 percent number? They added up the first three categories (3,896 papers), compared them to the last three categories (78 papers) and the papers expressing uncertainty (40 papers), and completely ignored the nearly 8,000 papers that did not state a position.

Of the papers Cook's team characterized as stating a position, 97 percent (3,896 of the 4,014 papers) favored the idea of man-made global warming.

See the problem? The study completely discounted the majority of the papers it analyzed (66.4 percent — 7,930 of the 11,944 papers analyzed). With those papers included, only 32.6 percent of the papers explicitly or implicitly endorsed AGW (3,896 of 11,944 papers).

But it gets worse. Many of the scientists who wrote the original papers Cooks' team analyzed complained that this study mischaracterized their research.”

 
 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1.1    6 days ago

Very compelling.

It will be interesting to see how NASA responds.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.1    6 days ago

Compelling?  Denial is hardly compelling.  Why would NASA even respond to nonsense?

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    6 days ago
Compelling?

How would you know?   You clearly didn't bother to read the letter.  

It's either that [Deleted]

Why would NASA even respond to nonsense?

Because they are required to by law.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
1.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.3    6 days ago

Since when does the law mean anything to this crowd.  The whole climate change model itself is a giant fraud.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1.1.4    6 days ago
The whole climate change model itself is a giant fraud.  

I wouldn't go that far.  

But based on what i'm seeing, the 97% number is.   And heads should roll for the people who perpetrated it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.5    6 days ago

Heads should roll?  For what?

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.6    6 days ago

Pushing an inaccurate narrative.  

Out here in the real world there are consequences when you lie.

I know that's a tough concept for some moon-bats out there to accept but there you go ....

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.8  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.5    6 days ago

The contrived 97% percent stat is well known at this point to be fraudulent based strictly upon the methodology used to derive it.  

I guess I very surprised that this is not more widely known.  Maybe I shouldn't be.

Less obvious to many though is why the majority of climate science models are inaccurate.  I suspect people would rather just justify their dogma rather than admit their malfeasance.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.3    5 days ago
You clearly didn't bother to read the letter. 

You clearly didn't bother to read the study that the letter is whining about. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @1.1.9    5 days ago

I clearly did and i'm not interesting in arguing with the likes of you today so have a good one.

Buh bye jrSmiley_14_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.11  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.10    5 days ago
I clearly did and i'm not interesting in arguing with the likes of you today so have a good one.

So then you should know that the study DID address the papers that cited 'no position' and that the methodology CLEARLY states that the percentages that they cited did not include those papers. Claiming that they were 'ignoring many climate scientists’ views, including those of undecided scientists' is utter bullshit. 

After reading the study, you should also know that the article's claim that the 'no position' papers were 'completely ignored' is a lie. Those papers are cited in the study and included as percentages on the graphs. That fact is proven by the article citing the number of those no position papers [though inflated] as cited in the study. 

Oh and BTFW, I presume that your supercilious 'the likes of you' comment reflects how you would like to be addressed in the future. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
1.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.8    4 days ago

Not only do they justify it, they label and malign others who question their manipulation of scientific data.  

 
 
 
WallyW
1.2  WallyW  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1    5 days ago

It figures that they fail to prove their assertion scientifically.

 
 
 
luther28
2  luther28    6 days ago

The 97% consensus on global warming - Skeptical Science


https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm
97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming. ... is true of climate change: most people defer to the expert consensus of climate scientists.
This may be helpful.
 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  luther28 @2    6 days ago

Not really. Just because some people bow down before and worship the pro science consensus as if it were a god doesn’t mean most do.  I’m sure that CEI will nowbe labeled as conspiracy-pseudoscience by some for courageously bringing this action against NASA. The law is clear and the Competitive Enterprise Institute case is right on.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @2.1    6 days ago

Competitive Enterprise Institute. The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a advocacy group based in Washington DC with long ties to tobacco disinformation campaigns and more recently to climate change denial.Sep 13, 2018

 
 
 
luther28
2.1.2  luther28  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @2.1    6 days ago
Just because some people bow down before and worship the pro science consensus

As opposed to those that bow down and worship ( not that anyone really does that ) the pseudoscience viewpoint?

I am confused, why would someone not be pro science?

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    4 days ago

rightcenter01.png?resize=700%2C78&ssl=1https://i2.wp.com/mediabiasfactcheck.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/rightcenter01.png?resize=300%2C33&ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px" >RIGHT-CENTER BIAS

These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Right-Center sources.

Factual Reporting: HIGH

Notes: The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit, libertarian think tank in the United States. Founded by Fred L. Smith, Jr., on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., it seeks to advance economic liberty by fighting excessive government regulation because it believes that a free marketplace that allows entrepreneurship and innovation to thrive is better policy.  This source is sometimes questionable when dealing with consensus science, but typically sources to credible information. Has a pro-libertarian bias. (D. Van Zandt 7/12/2016)

Source: https://cei.org/

 
 
 
Tessylo
3  Tessylo    6 days ago

What nonsense.

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @3    6 days ago

Yep, i agree.  

Manipulating the the data, to gundeck an outcome of a 97% consensus. is total nonsense.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @3.1    5 days ago
Manipulating the the data, to gundeck an outcome of a 97% consensus. is total nonsense.

How was the data manipulated? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Dulay @3.1.1    5 days ago

The seeded article is quite clear as to how data was manipulated. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @3.1.2    5 days ago

She just wants to argue for the sake of arguing.

SOSDD

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.4  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @3.1.2    5 days ago
The seeded article is quite clear as to how data was manipulated. 

The seeded article is bullshit. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.3    4 days ago

Good point. jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Dulay @3.1.4    4 days ago

Really? It’s factually based and it’s about a legal action by a group against NASA for their so called pro science consensus bias that is not factually accurate.  What about what was written do you disagree about and why? 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.7  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @3.1.6    3 days ago
Really?

Yes really. 

It’s factually based and it’s about a legal action by a group against NASA for their so called pro science consensus bias that is not factually accurate.

Actually it's NOT about a 'legal action' Xx. 

Secondly, the study is factually accurate and in fact the article quote it's data. 

 What about what was written do you disagree about and why? 

I've already made that clear. READ my comments 1.1.11 and 6.1.10.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Dulay @3.1.7    3 hours ago

“"The claim that 97% of climate scientists believe humans are the primary cause of global warming is simply false," CEI attorney Devin Watkins said in a statement. "That figure was created only by ignoring many climate scientists’ views, including those of undecided scientists. It is time that NASA correct the record and present unbiased figures to the public."

According to the CEI complaint, NASA's decision to repeat the false claim violated the Information Quality Act (IQA). Specifically, NASA claimed that "[n]inety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities." The claim appears on the NASA website on the page "Climate Change: How Do We Know?"

The claim traces back to a study led by John Cook entitled "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature" and published in the journal Environmental Research Letters in 2013.

The study is fundamentally dishonest, as the CEI complaint explains.”

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.9  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @3.1.8    3 hours ago
The study is fundamentally dishonest, as the CEI complaint explains.

The CEI complaint is what's fundamentally dishonest. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @3.1.9    an hour ago

Then no problem, the complaint will get tossed if its false.

I wouldn't bet on it getting tossed though from what i've seen of this game of words.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4  The Magic Eight Ball    6 days ago

'97 Percent Consensus' Global Warming 

https://climate.nasa.gov/?fakenews

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    6 days ago

Yes we need clean air and water, yes we need to minimize pollution ans strive to protect our environment but their is nothing more ridiculous in our society than the climate alarmists.

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XXJefferson#51
5.1  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5    6 days ago

Exactly.  Their extremism in pushing their alarmist agenda knows no bounds.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6  Dismayed Patriot    6 days ago
"So how did Cook and his team come up with the 97 percent number? They added up the first three categories (3,896 papers), compared them to the last three categories (78 papers) and the papers expressing uncertainty (40 papers), and completely ignored the nearly 8,000 papers that did not state a position."

So, of the climate scientists who weighed in on whether their data pointed to anthropogenic climate change, 97% of them did in fact agree that man is having a measured effect on climate change. There were 8,000 other papers not included because they did not draw any conclusion either way. That is not taking a "neutral" position, it's simply not drawing a conclusion and just presenting data.

So all that needs to be corrected is the wording of NASA's statement which should rightly say that "[n]inety-seven percent of climate scientists who drew conclusion's on mans effect on climate agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities."

This attempt by the right to obfuscate the obvious truth shouldn't really surprise anyone anymore. They regularly defend the most corrupt ignorant self admitted sexual predator as President so trying to pretend humans aren't having an effect on the environment is just icing on their already rotted cake.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6    6 days ago
So all that needs to be corrected is the wording of NASA's statement which should rightly say that "[n]inety-seven percent of climate scientists who drew conclusion's on mans effect on climate agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities."

That would be a much more honest representation of reality IMO.   Their "97%" wording is unfortunate and very misleading.   People automatically gravitate to thinking 97 out of 100 experts in climate believe man is the only/main cause of global warming when nothing could be further from the truth.

The question in my mind isn't "if" man is causing global warming but rather "how much" man is causing it.   That's likely one very large reason why so many of the papers don't draw that conclusion.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @6.1    6 days ago
That's likely one very large reason why so many of the papers don't draw that conclusion.

Or it could be their data was inconclusive because what they were measuring or recording wasn't something that would be able to show mans influence on the climate.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.1    6 days ago

Sure, that could be it as well.  

Regardless, the fact remains 97% is a misleading number when it comes to all scientists thinking man is the main cause of GW.

Since it does appear to be a clear majority, why be disingenuous about what the actual percentage is?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.2    6 days ago
the fact remains 97% is a misleading number when it comes to all scientists

The fact remains that the vast majority of those working in the climate science fields who have studied the data have concluded that man is having a measurable impact on the relatively rapid changes in climate.

I agree, the debate really should be on how much mankind is effecting the climate and what are the possible reasonable remedies if any instead of this stupid back and forth as to whether we have any effect or not.

It would seem reasonable to move towards renewable energy simply because its renewable, non-renewables will eventually run out even if they weren't causing such rapid warming. And sure, the earth has experienced carbon spikes and global warming and rapid climate change before, it just usually took a super volcano or meteor impact to cause them. In our case, the majority of climate scientists agree its our rapid extraction and burning of fossil fuels combined with deforestation that have been the prime human causes. And regardless of whether it's been a small impact or a large one, eventually we will need to transition to clean energy. A few decades ago trying to convince everyone to put prohibitively expensive solar panels on your roof was not financially possible. But today those costs have been cut by 75% as new materials and new technology has created better more efficient solar systems providing us with long term reliable renewable energy for our homes. Eventually anyone not using renewables will be paying double the cost for dirty power for no reason like an idiot. Even the Coal Museum installed a solar panel system to cut operating costs, eventually even the brain dead cave men grunting about how they'd never go green will be driving an electric car and have solar panels on their roof.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.3    6 days ago
In our case, the majority of climate scientists agree its our rapid extraction and burning of fossil fuels combined with deforestation that have been the prime human causes.

So, there are two possible solutions to the problem.   

1- Eliminate a huge number of our species and that would eliminate a percentage of the C02 we exhale into the atmosphere daily.

Eliminating a huge number of our species would have the added benefit of lessening the need for fossil fuels and further would lessen deforestation as there would be less need for space to build on to shelter those eliminated persons.

2 - Instead of increasing our standard of living and longevity.  Allow nature to take it's toll by ceasing all vaccinations and life extending endeavors we currently engage in.  Also, go to an acceptable period before the industrial revolution and have people survive as our forebears did by living off the land.  Of course, that will very likely mean the quick elimination of the concrete jungle inhabitants and those rednecks working the farms and ranches would likely survive.

Oh, just to qualify one point.  Just because a 'majority' of climate scientists agree, does not, allow me to restate that, does NOT make the current round of climate change 'settled science'.  Until they can prove it with tests which can be duplicated numerous times to prove the THEORY, it is and will remain just that, a theory.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.2    6 days ago

Because they use that science consensus number in order to label those of us who disagree such as Heartland Institute as questionable conspiracy pseudoscience.  This Competitive Enterprise Institute action will strip the pro science fascist thought police of their fig leaf rationalizing their bigotry. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.3    6 days ago

I fully plan on getting a hybrid as my next car when I wear out my Sorento.  Likely the plug in one that can go 50 miles or so electric and then use gas when on long trips.  I can get a Kia Niro which is stylish looking like a mini sorento has some storage room seats five and can be loaded with every luxury, convenience, and safety feature available get near Prius total mileage and cost just under $30,000.  I have no problem conserving gas preserving the environment in a vehicle that looks like a normal car and makes no sacrifices.  

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.1.7  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Sparty On @6.1    6 days ago

THe how much part is where much more of the dishonest application of the climate science methodology occurs.

It's amazing to me how people like those above are willing to accept the false notion of a consensus on the matter and ignore massively factual errors in the measurements and conclusions derived using flawed methodology.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.3    5 days ago

I'm all for a common sense approach to clean energy goals.   I'm absolutely against crushing entire industries via over regulation and simple shut downs.   Coal for example can be phased out without destroying everything and everyone involved in the industry.   The government serves its constituency much better by providing incentives to move clean energy.   Not ultimatums to kill dirty energy.   Phasing into renewable power isn't going to happen overnight.

All the feel good nonsense about achieving 100% renewable energy quickly is just that.   Nonsense.   The standby power alone required to meet peak electrical demands more or less excludes that possibility until (if and when) someone perfects a quickly build-able, clean source like Cold Fusion.

Few people like AOC really understand how our electrical power grid actually works but to hear them talk they've been power generation engineers for years.   Ridiculous!

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.9  Sparty On  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.1.7    5 days ago

Meanwhile people like Al Gore get rich off of it.

Where is the outrage over that?

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @6.1    5 days ago
That would be a much more honest representation of reality IMO. Their "97%" wording is unfortunate and very misleading. People automatically gravitate to thinking 97 out of 100 experts in climate believe man is the only/main cause of global warming when nothing could be further from the truth.

IMO, those that go to the NASA website aren't easily lead astray. The NASA website links the study and quotes it as follows: 

Quotation from page 6: "The number of papers rejecting AGW [Anthropogenic, or human-caused, Global Warming] is a miniscule proportion of the published research, with the percentage slightly decreasing over time. Among papers expressing a position on AGW, an overwhelming percentage (97.2% based on self-ratings, 97.1% based on abstract ratings) endorses the scientific consensus on AGW.”

I don't know how NASA could be more transparent about the origin of the 97% statistic. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.2    4 days ago

And yet those who don’t buy in to that 97% lie get their sites labeled as conspiracy pseudoscience by the true believer kool aid drinkers who enforce that dogma. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  XDm9mm @6.1.4    4 days ago

Heresy they scream, heresy.  Off with our heads they cry...

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.13  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @6.1.4    3 days ago
Until they can prove it with tests which can be duplicated numerous times to prove the THEORY, it is and will remain just that, a theory.

Right, because THEORIES are so unreliable, like the theory of gravity.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.2  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6    6 days ago

We didn’t regularly defend Bill Clinton as President and we aren’t denying that humans just might have some small impact on climate change.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @6.2    5 days ago
We didn’t regularly defend Bill Clinton as President and we aren’t denying that humans just might have some small impact on climate change.

I've never defended Bill Clinton and never voted for him, and yes, some on the right are denying that humans have even a small impact on climate change.

"Something’s happening [with the climate] and it’ll change back again … I don’t know that it’s manmade." Donald Trump

At best they are willing to claim that if there is any human effect on the climate, the amount isn't just small, it's the impossible to see "unknown".

how much of [climate change] is manmade, how much of it is solar, how much of it is oceanic, how much of it is rain forest and other issues? I think we’re still exploring all of that." - Trumps economic advisor Larry Kudlow

Deny, deflect, distract, delay. It's the GOP playbook for continuing to reap huge profits keeping people reliant on dirty non-renewables even though a clean alternative is already here. The Republican legislature just knows they are dealing with stubborn and poorly educated constituents who still confuse "climate" with the weather outside their own window on any given day. If we didn't have an active denial community far we wouldn't be seeing coal mining families going bankrupt and failing, we'd see them embracing the new technologies and getting trained as a solar or wind turbine technician, or perhaps even branching out into the more technical computer engineering fields. But as it is with the constant misinformation campaign sold to them by the fossil fuel industry who has EVERY reason to lie to them and their families about the efficacy of fossil fuels, the Midwest and south where coal and big oil keep them in a choke hold, we may never get these bloodsucking vampires off Americas neck. We give $649 BILLION in oil and coal subsidies in 2015 while at the same time spent just $65 billion nationally on food stamps and just $599 billion on OUR ENTIRE MILITARY. That's right, the annual oil and coal subsidies EXCEED our annual military spending.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fossil-fuel-subsidies-pentagon-spending-imf-report-833035/

I'm not calling for some war on oil and coal, I just don't think we need to be supporting their dirty businesses with our tax dollars. The tax dollars, if any need to be spent supporting an industry, should be spent on getting us into the future, not sucking the dirty balls of the past.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.3  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6    4 days ago

And those who didn’t weigh in yet because there wasn’t enough reliable data to take one side or the other as to it being majority man caused are to be ignored or discarded or outside of the scientific consensus mainstream?  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
7  livefreeordie    6 days ago

The "97% of Scientists say manmade global warming is settled science" is a MYTH 

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle

The myth of "settled science" which is a non scientific term

Settled Science? No Such Thing

http://www.ipa.org.au/news/2691/settled-science-no-such-thing

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SETTLED SCIENCE

By Professor Steven Yates
November 7, 2015
NewsWithViews.com

http://www.newswithviews.com/Yates/steven179.htm

The 97% myth

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/20/the-97-consensus-myth-busted-by-a-real-survey/

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=24484

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @7    6 days ago
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SETTLED SCIENCE

There's just lots of unsettling science. Unsettling for those who work for or continue to believe the dirty fossil fuel industry that doesn't give a crap about the planet but only cares for their shareholder profits. The real myth is that the fossil fuel industry has anyone's best interest at heart but their own.

"Last week, State Impact Oklahoma and the Center for Public Integrity co-published a report detailing how Oil Overlords have injected $40-million worth of pro-industry propaganda into Oklahoma classroom shales.

Apparently, it’s all part of an effort to indoctrinate… errr… educate our state’s youth about the wonders of petroleum, and all the great things it’s done for human civilization (minus the pollution, environmental destruction, and war)."

Dressed in suits, the Republican lawmakers read aloud from “Petro Pete’s Big Bad Dream,” a parable in which a Bob the Builder lookalike awakens to find his toothbrush, hardhat and even the tires on his bike missing. Abandoned by the school bus, Pete walks to Petroville Elementary in his pajamas.

“It sounds like you are missing all of your petroleum by-products today!” his teacher, Mrs. Rigwell, exclaims, extolling oil’s benefits to Pete and fellow students like Sammy Shale. Before long, Pete decides that “having no petroleum is like a nightmare!”

https://www.thelostogle.com/2017/06/21/oil-companies-use-childrens-books-to-indoctrinate-oklahomas-youth/

It really is amazing how fornicatingly stupid some folk are in America, but I suppose if you really want to bamboozle them you have to start young. It's truly sad to realize that likely millions of children are being subjected to vile religious and oil indoctrination throughout the Midwest and south. How can anyone imagine these kids will turn out sane after that. No wonder we have so many right wing terrorists popping up all over America.

 
 
 
WallyW
7.1.1  WallyW  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.1    5 days ago
No wonder we have so many right wing terrorists popping up all over America.

Stupid statement

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  WallyW @7.1.1    5 days ago

A huge sweeping generalization as well.  

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.2  r.t..b...  replied to  livefreeordie @7    6 days ago
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SETTLED SCIENCE

The way you float your theories does defy GRAVITY.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
7.2.1  livefreeordie  replied to  r.t..b... @7.2    6 days ago

No, I just rely upon and promote sound science rather than hoax theories

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  livefreeordie @7.2.1    6 days ago

Global warming is a hoax and primarily man created climate change is a fraud.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.2.2    5 days ago

Global warming is not a hoax.   That the earth is warming, is proven.   What isn't proven is that man is the main cause. 

I have yet to see anything that proves that beyond a reasonable doubt.   The complexities in trying to do so are enormous regardless of what self proclaimed geniuses like AOC say.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.2.4  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @7.2.3    5 days ago
That the earth is warming, is proven.   What isn't proven is that man is the main cause. 

In this hyper-partisan all or nothing age, everything is viewed through the myopic lens of whichever agenda one chooses to follows. The result? Let's gnash our teeth, close our eyes and ears, and eventually kick the can down the road...as with seemingly every issue. Reasonable folks will concede this is a serious situation and it will take reasonable folks to address the dilemma. Sadly, reason once again takes a back seat as we childishly argue who should be driving the bus. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.5  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @7.2.4    5 days ago
Reasonable folks will concede this is a serious situation and it will take reasonable folks to address the dilemma.

ONE cannot change "Mother Natures plan" !

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.2.6  Sparty On  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.5    5 days ago

Al Gore can .... just ask him.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.7  It Is ME  replied to  Sparty On @7.2.6    5 days ago
Al Gore can .... just ask him.

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His Dooms Day Clock expired. Poor Clock. And I liked Clock too ! jrSmiley_55_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.2.8  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.5    5 days ago
ONE cannot change "Mother Natures plan" !

One can be a good steward to the resource that has allowed us to achieve all that we have. 

 
 
 
JBB
7.2.9  JBB  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.5    5 days ago

One may not be able to kill off the birds and bees but billions of us can...

The result of which would surely be to fuck up olde Mother Nature's plan.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.10  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @7.2.8    5 days ago
One can be a good steward to the resource that has allowed us to achieve all that we have. 

Stop driving your car and start walking.....or buy a horse.

Stop using your A/C, heat and lights....and buy candles and crank up the fireplace.

Gotta save that oil and coal for our future kids to be able to use. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
7.2.11  1stwarrior  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.10    5 days ago

Can't use a horse - too much methane.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.12  It Is ME  replied to  1stwarrior @7.2.11    5 days ago
Can't use a horse - too much methane.

ooooo, SORRY.....forgot.

WALK but don't fart. They'll want to get rid of you too. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.13  It Is ME  replied to  JBB @7.2.9    5 days ago
One may not be able to kill off the birds and bees but billions of us can...

Wind mills are murderers of nature. Blunt Force Trauma !

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.2.14  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  r.t..b... @7.2.4    5 days ago

When I was growing up the people obsessed with global warming now were preaching of the next impending ice age.  

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.2.15  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.10    5 days ago
for our future kids to be able to use.

If we continue to politicize this as some feel compelled to do (in the comfort of their oblivious existence), there may be nothing left for our 'future kids' to fix...as we have shown we are incapable of even discussing the ramifications without rancor. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
7.2.16  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.2.2    5 days ago

So you are saying 7 BILLION people have no effect on the environment at all? Are you serious? 😂😂😂

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.17  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @7.2.15    5 days ago
If we continue to politicize

I didn't Politicize anything. it's the "Representatives on the "Liberal" side that ALWAYS politicizes this issue.

By the way.....Which side came up with the new "Green Deal", that's gonna cost regular folks a shit load again ?

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.2.18  Sparty On  replied to  1stwarrior @7.2.11    5 days ago

Robots, the answer is fusion powered robots ..... until of course they become self aware and kill us all off ..... nevermind!

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @7.2.16    5 days ago

That old libertarian 'ideal' - I got mine so fuck you.  

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.2.20  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.17    5 days ago
I didn't Politicize anything.

Ha...it is not about you, It is ME. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.21  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @7.2.20    5 days ago
Ha...it is not about you, It is ME. 

EVERYTHING is about ME, YOU, and EVERYONE else for that matter.....right ?

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.2.22  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  MrFrost @7.2.16    4 days ago

I never said that so don’t put words in my mouth.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.2.23  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.17    4 days ago

Bingo!! jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif and right on.  The pro science consensus 97% kool aid drinking fascists such as AOC politicize every issue, especially this one. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.3  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  livefreeordie @7    6 days ago

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XXJefferson#51
7.4  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  livefreeordie @7    5 days ago

The concept of “settled science” is a sacred cow that can not be criticized or exposed to the ridicule it richly deserves. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.4.1  r.t..b...  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.4    5 days ago
The concept of “settled science”

For goodness sake. There are things that have incontrovertible empirical evidence...global warming among them. Hunker down in your dreams of your free state as you will, but the effects of this crisis will cross all boundaries, imaginary or not.

 
 
 
MrFrost
7.5  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @7    5 days ago

Wait...so God is real, not one shred of scientific proof at all...but man made global warming of which there are tons of scientific evidence, is a myth?

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.5.1  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @7.5    5 days ago
but man made global warming of which there are tons of scientific evidence

Tons that the Climate is Changing anyway !

That's a no-brainer and doesn't require a STUDY. We all know the Climate Changes on this planet, and it's been doing so even before man got smart !

 
 
 
MrFrost
7.5.2  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @7.5.1    5 days ago

Try reading my comment again. SMH. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.5.3  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @7.5.1    5 days ago
doesn't require a STUDY.

At what point do we study the effects we may have on our environment? An environment that provides everything, everything mind you, for our very existence. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.5.4  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @7.5.3    5 days ago

You need a study to look out the window to see if it's raining a lot or not for you ?

You need a study to tell you what the thermometer says outside ?

You need a new study, that shows that Climate really has changed over quite a few millenniums, and that it WILL change again ?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.5.5  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @7.5.4    5 days ago

Yes, yes, and yes. To do otherwise is sticking your head in the sand.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.5.6  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @7.5.5    5 days ago
[delete]
 
 
 
It Is ME
7.5.7  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @7.5.2    5 days ago
Try reading my comment again. SMH. 

I did.... jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.5.8  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @7.5.6    5 days ago
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It Is ME
7.5.9  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @7.5.8    5 days ago

You "Think?" yet spout Bunches of meaningless words, with not much about pulling ones own Head out of the sand !

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.5.10  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  r.t..b... @7.5.8    4 days ago

Quit personally attacking other members on my seed.  Be civil or be somewhere else.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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MrFrost
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XXJefferson#51
10.1  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  MrFrost @10    5 days ago

The Heartland Institute is my go to for all evidence regarding any man cause role in climate change.  It is right on.  

 
 
 
JumpDrive
10.1.1  JumpDrive  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @10.1    3 days ago
The Heartland Institute is my go to for all evidence regarding any man cause role in climate change.

My go to source for information on climate change is the American Dental Association; I mean, why not, they have no degrees in the climate sciences either, but at least they help keep my teeth in good condition.

The seeded article clearly state that they used the papers which took a position on anthropogenic climate change and used them to calculate the 97% number. Well, duh, why would you use the other papers that weren’t taking a position on the subject?

The article then goes on to destroy its own case. The first complainer is an economist. An economist would produce papers on the costs of climate change and/or the costs of its mitigation. Even if he took a position on anthropogenic climate change, how would economics produce evidence for/against it?.

The second complainer is a physicist, again not a climatologist. Nir Shaviv is also a physicist. The link lists handful of people, against the thousands of scientists with various degrees in the climate sciences. These deniers aren't going to meaningfully affect the percentage. In fact, if you look at papers from the last 5 years or so, the number for ACC is above 99% because both the data and models are better now.

See the problem here?

Yes, people are too stupid to realize that the 64% of papers that took no position on anthropogenic climate change took no position. This is not the same as saying they don't know. Climatologists research modeling, noise elimination, air/water flows, ...; lots of things that are used to test theories, so a position on ACC would be a non-sequitur. E.g. Here's a method of removing noise from our calculations, and I don't believe in ACC.

This is a meritless lawsuit whose purpose is to create mistrust in science. This nonsense started with a group of conservatives producing garbage ‘showing’ that tobacco wasn’t causing cancer from the 50s into the 90s, when the tobacco companies knew it was in the early 50s. The same group of people produced garbage to protect companies responsible for acid rain. And, they produced still more garbage with respect to DDT. All this garbage was eventually disposed of and the scientists heeded. But, these people realized that they could create mistrust of science by constantly producing garbage. That is why the crap disseminators switched to attacking science directly. Lots of people are stupid, so this works. Now they don’t have to deal with reality directly.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
10.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  JumpDrive @10.1.1    3 days ago

The Heartland Institute does a lot of work on climate change and global warming issues and has access to qualified scientists and research.  They are also leading an effort to get President Trump to create a presidential commission on climate change with leading experts in the sciences to formally investigate and reach conclusions.  I will be willing to abide by whatever decision they come to after extensive study of the matter.  

 
 
 
JumpDrive
10.1.3  JumpDrive  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @10.1.2    2 days ago

512

 
 
 
JumpDrive
10.1.4  JumpDrive  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @10.1.2    2 days ago

The Heartland Institute was one of the smoking causes cancer deniers. You can read one article about them on this subject here: https://www.prwatch.org/news/2014/05/12464/heartland-institute-reluctantly-stands-denial-cigarette-smoking-risks

Google will give you lots of others.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
10.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  JumpDrive @10.1.3    2 days ago

I’m aware of the stupidity from your source.  They recently re rated as they often do to conservatives and Christians sites.  Getting that rating from them is a badge of honor.  

 
 
 
JumpDrive
10.1.6  JumpDrive  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @10.1.5    2 days ago

LOL. I Googled heartland institute and acid rain as well as DDT. In addition to peddling the tobacco industry line about cigarettes and cancer, they also peddled the industry line on acid rain and DDT. Tobacco causing cancer, SO2 causing acid rain, and DDT damaging the environment are now settled science, as they were at the time the Heartland Institute 'scientists' were shilling for the various industries.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
10.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  JumpDrive @10.1.6    yesterday
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10.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @10.1.7    22 hours ago

Fortunately Heartland Institute is influential enough and well trusted among enough organizations it’s easy to get their material out via other conservative media not yet labeled.  

 
 
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