Why the Left Doesn't Like Christmas

  
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By:   Dennis Prager

Why the Left Doesn't Like Christmas
One proof of the left's desire to undermine specifically American national holidays is its war on the two remaining specifically American holidays: July Fourth and Thanksgiving. The left deems Thanksgiving a historical fraud and an immoral celebration of "genocide" of the American Indians -- which is what American children are now taught in many American public schools. And "happy Thanksgiving" has been replaced by "happy holidays." As for July Fourth, The New York Times is leading the...

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The author is right.  He is wise also to separate the liberal from the secular progressive leftists. Long live American and religious holidays!


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Many on the left (as opposed to liberals) have been warring on Christmas for more than a generation. Leftists always deny there is a war on Christmas and mock those who claim there is. 

There is a mind-blowing chutzpah or lack of self-awareness when people do something and yet deny that they are actually doing it. But the evidence is overwhelming. The left has stopped schools from calling Christmas vacations by that name -- the name schools called them throughout American history until the last couple of decades. Almost every non-Christian school in America now calls Christmas vacation "winter break." Fewer and fewer Americans, stores, companies or media wish people a "Merry Christmas," preferring the neutered "happy holidays" (despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans celebrate Christmas). And in but one generation, virtually every American business has gone from having a "Christmas party" to having a "holiday party."

Having written in the past about the falsehood of "Merry Christmas," "Christmas vacation" and "Christmas party" not being "inclusive," I will not reiterate the point here. Suffice it to say that it takes a breathtaking level of narcissism for a non-Christian to be offended by mentions of Christmas and a breathtaking level of meanness to seek to deprive the vast majority of fellow Americans of the public mention of their holiday. 

Rather, I want to try to explain why this has happened.

The "inclusive" argument is so absurd -- I am a religious Jew and cannot even fathom being offended or feeling "not included" by an invitation to a Christmas party -- that there have to be other, or at least additional, reasons for the left's neutering of Christmas.

There are.

One is that the left sees in Christianity its primary ideological and political enemy. And it is right to do so. The only large-scale organized opposition to the left comes from the traditional Christian community -- evangelical Protestants, traditional Catholics and faithful Mormons -- and Orthodox Jews. Leftism is a secular religion, and it deems all other religions immoral and false.

From Karl Marx to Vladimir Lenin to George Soros, the left has regarded religion in general and Christianity in particular as the "opiate of the masses" -- a drug that dulls the masses into accepting their oppressed condition and, thereby, keeps them from engaging in revolution. 

The left understands that the more people believe in Christianity (and Judaism), the less chance the left has to gain power. The left doesn't concern itself with Islam, because it perceives Islam as an ally in its war against Western civilization, and because leftists do not have the courage to confront Islam. They know that confronting religious Muslims can be fatal, whereas confronting religious Christians entails no risks.

Second, the left regards Christianity in America as an intrinsic part of American national identity -- an identity it wishes to erode in favor of a "world citizen" identity. The left has not only warred against Christmas; it has sought to undermine other national identity holidays. For any number of reasons, not only including the left, Americans no longer celebrate George Washington's birthday (it has de facto been replaced by the utterly meaningless "Presidents Day") or Abraham Lincoln's birthday, as they did when I was a child, my father was a child and his father was a child. The only American celebrated in a national holiday is Martin Luther King Jr., which is acceptable to the left since he is not white. One proof of the left's desire to undermine specifically American national holidays is its war on the two remaining specifically American holidays: July Fourth and Thanksgiving. 

The left deems Thanksgiving a historical fraud and an immoral celebration of "genocide" of the American Indians -- which is what American children are now taught in many American public schools. And "happy Thanksgiving" has been replaced by "happy holidays." As for July Fourth, The New York Times is leading the undermining of the celebration of America's birthday by declaring that the real founding of America was 1619, the year, The Times asserts, African slaves first arrived on the American continent.

Of course, there is still Veterans Day and Memorial Day, but they are not specifically American national holidays; just about every country has such holidays.

But Christmas is a problem for the left. It celebrates religion, and it does so in quintessentially American ways (take American Christmas music, for example).

The third and final reason is that the left is joyless. Whatever and whomever the left influences has less joy in life. I have met happy and unhappy liberals, and happy and unhappy conservatives, but I've never encountered a happy leftist. And the further left you go, the more angry and unhappy the people you will encounter. Happy women and happy blacks, for example, are far more likely to be conservative than on the left. 

Christmas is just too happy for the left. "Holly, jolly" is not a left-wing term.

 


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Donald J. Trump fan 1
1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1    2 months ago

There is a mind-blowing chutzpah or lack of self-awareness when people do something and yet deny that they are actually doing it. But the evidence is overwhelming. The left has stopped schools from calling Christmas vacations by that name -- the name schools called them throughout American history until the last couple of decades. Almost every non-Christian school in America now calls Christmas vacation "winter break." Fewer and fewer Americans, stores, companies or media wish people a "Merry Christmas," preferring the neutered "happy holidays" (despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans celebrate Christmas). And in but one generation, virtually every American business has gone from having a "Christmas party" to having a "holiday party."

Having written in the past about the falsehood of "Merry Christmas," "Christmas vacation" and "Christmas party" not being "inclusive," I will not reiterate the point here. Suffice it to say that it takes a breathtaking level of narcissism for a non-Christian to be offended by mentions of Christmas and a breathtaking level of meanness to seek to deprive the vast majority of fellow Americans of the public mention of their holiday. 

Rather, I want to try to explain why this has happened.

The "inclusive" argument is so absurd -- I am a religious Jew and cannot even fathom being offended or feeling "not included" by an invitation to a Christmas party -- that there have to be other, or at least additional, reasons for the left's neutering of Christmas.

There are.

One is that the left sees in Christianity its primary ideological and political enemy. And it is right to do so. The only large-scale organized opposition to the left comes from the traditional Christian community -- evangelical Protestants, traditional Catholics and faithful Mormons -- and Orthodox Jews. Leftism is a secular religion, and it deems all other religions immoral and false.

From Karl Marx to Vladimir Lenin to George Soros, the left has regarded religion in general and Christianity in particular as the "opiate of the masses" -- a drug that dulls the masses into accepting their oppressed condition and, thereby, keeps them from engaging in revolution. 

The left understands that the more people believe in Christianity (and Judaism), the less chance the left has to gain power. The left doesn't concern itself with Islam, because it perceives Islam as an ally in its war against Western civilization, and because leftists do not have the courage to confront Islam. They know that confronting religious Muslims can be fatal, whereas confronting religious Christians entails no risks.

Second, the left regards Christianity in America as an intrinsic part of American national identity -- an identity it wishes to erode in favor of a "world citizen" identity.    https://thenewstalkers.com/comment/update/id=1220160

 
 
 
lib50
1.1  lib50  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1    2 months ago

This entire subject is bullshit.  Stop freaking trying to explain what 'the left' thinks and believes.  With the current state of the Group of Pussies in DC, don't even try to claim piety and spiritual reverence, the current support of a tool of satan shows the world just how righteous (not) and unconcerned with truth and goodness you are.  Making up a pathetic 'war on christmas' to gain more political points.  Look in the damn mirror before you cast aspersions on others.  We can all see and hear just how important 'the right' feels about their religion.  It gets used as a political tool and to mask for behavior that is anything BUT what the religion actually is supposed to stand for. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
1.1.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  lib50 @1.1    2 months ago

Schiff Nadler and Pelosi are tools of Satan and represent the party of the pussy hats.  The progressives war on Christmas long predates the current political situation. Prager is right in what he wrote.  

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.1.2  SteevieGee  replied to  lib50 @1.1    2 months ago

I love Christmas.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1.1.1    2 months ago
Schiff Nadler and Pelosi are tools of Satan

Well, many of us here on NT actually worship Satan (peace Be Upon Him!)-- after all, everyone knows that he is the One True God!

All the other Gods, be they Jesus, Moses, Mohammed,  Vishnau, Shiva, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Buddah, etc are Fake Gods (as in "Fake news").

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ALL HAIL HIS HOLINESS SATAN - THE VENERABLE KING AND UNMATCHED RULER OF THE DARK REALMS!

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Krishna @1.1.3    2 months ago

That’s interesting I never figured you for a Trump guy

 
 
 
lib50
1.1.5  lib50  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1.1.1    2 months ago

Just keep living in your fact free bubble of bullshit.  Always wrongly trying to spew what others think.  Pretending to be godly while you worship tools of satan.  The hate, the lies, the inhumanity are all against the tenets.  But hey, its worth losing ones soul to 'own' the libs and defend the most anti-Jesus being on the earth.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
1.1.6  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Krishna @1.1.3    2 months ago

He can have the dark realms until his complete and utter destruction along with the wicked after the judgement.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
1.1.7  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Krishna @1.1.3    2 months ago

Interesting that you didn’t respond to the post I responded to where our President was called a tool of Satan and his supporters the p word.  

 
 
 
lib50
1.1.8  lib50  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1.1.7    2 months ago

Are you getting the vapors because I used a word your man uses?   Just substitute the word coward if it makes you feel better.  I'm talking about the party as a whole, nothing personal.  As for Trump being a tool of satan, true dat.   That stands.  Even some evangelicals see the writing on the wall.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.9  Krishna  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.4    2 months ago
That’s interesting I never figured you for a Trump guy

Well, neither did I, actually!

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.10  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1.1.7    2 months ago

Interesting that you didn’t respond to the post I responded to where our President was called a tool of Satan and his supporters the p word.  

Indeed....

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.11  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1.1.6    2 months ago
He can have the dark realms until his complete and utter destruction along with the wicked after the judgement.  

Dark Realms?

Not really. NT is hardly "the Dark Realms"-- although it does seem that way at times (mainly during the so-called "Political discussions".

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.12  Krishna  replied to  lib50 @1.1.5    2 months ago
Just keep living in your fact free bubble of bullshit.

Obviously he's living in his Own Private Idaho!

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1.13  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1.1.6    2 months ago

I'd be careful if I were you. Your rapture might prove disappointing. You have seemed to thrive on spreading dissent since your first days on the vine. You've been such a prolific seeder of far right wing propaganda for so many years that one might think that this a full time job for you.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
1.1.14  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  cjcold @1.1.13    2 months ago

Do you object to dissent from the pervasive secular progressive dogma and world view?  Does seeinga conservative point of view offend you? 

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1    2 months ago

Happy Holidays.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
1.2.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  cjcold @1.2    2 months ago

Merry Christmas!  

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2.2  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1.2.1    2 months ago

Joyous Saturnalia

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.3  Krishna  replied to  cjcold @1.2    2 months ago

Joyous Festivus!

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
1.2.4  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Krishna @1.2.3    2 months ago

God bless America! 

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.5  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1.2.4    2 months ago

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Krishna
1.2.6  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1.2.4    2 months ago

A penny saved is a penny earned!

 
 
 
StinkWeedPete
1.2.7  StinkWeedPete  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1.2.1    2 months ago
Merry Christmas!   Merry Christmas. 
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1    2 months ago
One is that the left sees in Christianity its primary ideological and political enemy.

I think that is a fair assessment.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
1.3.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    2 months ago

Agreed....

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.3  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    2 months ago
One is that the left sees in Christianity its primary ideological and political enemy.
I think that is a fair assessment.

Have you, by any chance, ever heard of The Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @1.3.3    2 months ago
Have you, by any chance, ever heard of The Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.?

Oh, yes. He was a Republican.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  JohnRussell    2 months ago

No one else on Newstalkers posts endless ideology based drivel the way you do. No one, although there is one on the right here that is trying to catch up with you. 

Im serious, the "liberals" complain about living people on the right, you complain about Karl Marx.  It wouldnt be so bad once in a while, but every fricking day? 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
2.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago

The seeded article says nothing bad about liberals.

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.1  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @2.1    2 months ago

Bullshit. It specifically calls out the left.

Too bad you're so easily triggered by people who acknowledge that not everyone is a Christian, and who believe in inclusion.

 
 
 
lib50
2.1.2  lib50  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @2.1    2 months ago

Can you tell us what 'the left' means to you? 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
2.1.3  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  katrix @2.1.1    2 months ago

Yes he called out the secular progressive left on this issue but not true liberals.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @2.1.1    2 months ago
not everyone is a Christian, and who believe in inclusion.

Do you include Christians in that Inclusion of yours ? jrSmiley_43_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  lib50 @2.1.2    2 months ago
Can you tell us what 'the left' means to you?

Exploitation. From the black and Hispanic vote all the way down to a 16 year old mother indoctrinated "activist" on global.......errr..........climate change. In addition, this....................

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  katrix @2.1.1    2 months ago
Too bad you're so easily triggered by people who acknowledge that not everyone is a Christian, and who believe in inclusion.

There it is in a nutshell. Thank you.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
2.1.7  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  katrix @2.1.1    2 months ago
Too bad you're so easily triggered by people who acknowledge that not everyone is a Christian, and who believe in inclusion.

Boomshakalaka!

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
2.1.8  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  katrix @2.1.1    2 months ago

The secular progressive left is a clear and present danger to the survival of the republic as we know it.  Traditional and classical liberals are not.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
2.1.9  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.6    2 months ago

Inclusion is for everyone, even us deplorable conservative Christians.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @2.1.8    2 months ago

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Stereotyping is irrational.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1.11  Krishna  replied to  katrix @2.1.1    2 months ago

Bullshit. It specifically calls out the left.

Too bad you're so easily triggered by people who acknowledge that not everyone is a Christian, and who believe in inclusion.

Wow-- that comment got 16 votes (That must be a record or near a record) for Newstalkers!

(Obviously a lot of people here are getting tired of HA's constant proselytizing...)

 
 
 
cjcold
2.1.12  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @2.1    2 months ago

Everything you seed is far right wing. One could almost think that since you have been purveying far right wing propaganda for so long that you collect paychecks from the Heartland Institute.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1.13  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.4    2 months ago

Do you include Christians in that Inclusion of yours ?

Is it colder in the Winter...or the Mountains?

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1.14  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @2.1.8    2 months ago

The secular progressive left is a clear and present danger to the survival of the republic as we know it.  Traditional and classical liberals are not.  

Do we have to know that?

(Is it going to be on the Final?)

 
 
 
Enoch
2.1.15  Enoch  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.7    2 months ago

Dear SMAAB: Feisty!

P&AB with an orange cheese coating.

Enoch.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago
No one else on Newstalkers posts endless ideology based drivel the way you do. No one, although there is one on the right here that is trying to catch up with you. 

John, you really shouldn't call out anybody for posting "ideology based drivel". 

Just saying.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2    2 months ago

John, you really shouldn't call out anybody for posting "ideology based drivel".

Good point!

In fact what I try to do, in my efforts be be a "good citizen" here on NT-- is that when I post drivel, I try to make half of it ideologically based-- and the other half not!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago

An excellent article.  I, too, am not afraid of Christmas, or that some monster Santa Clause will land on my roof, come down the chimney and devour me.  In fact, when my kids were little we hung stockings from the fireplace, put milk and cookies on the table in front of it, and we had a decorated Christmas tree, all to make our kids not stand out in our community as being different, but my kids both carry out their careers that are based on Judaism, not Christianity.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago
all to make our kids not stand out in our community as being different, but my kids both carry out their careers that are based on Judaism, not Christianity.

Well, that sort of thing is probably the basis for Mariah Carey's song " All I Want for Christmas is..Jews! "

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago

or that some monster Santa Clause will land on my roof, come down the chimney and devour me.

That's not Santa. Santa no longer exists. (He was killed in the so called  "War on Christmas").

Not Santa-- just another of the ever increasing herds of Chupacabras that have been running rampant in these parts lately!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Dennis Prager seems to be claiming that Christmas is an American holiday , like Thanksgiving. 

He's trying to sneak that theocracy in there,  isnt he? Fess up HA. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
4.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 months ago

No one including the seed author maintains that Christmas 🎄 is an American Holy Day.  There are some unique to America originating Christmas carols.  As to theology coming in, not at all.  We are simply attempting to return to the way we always had been before the bigots at places like FFRF decided to try to take all our American traditions away from us.  

 

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.1  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.1    2 months ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.1    2 months ago
We are simply attempting to return to the way we always had been before the bigots at places like FFRF decided to try to take all our American traditions away from us.  

The American tradition is a separation between Church and state. 

Everything else is about how we treat one another. 

When I know what faith you are, I wish the appropriate holiday to you. In your case I would wish you a Merry Christmas. 

When I am not sure, I say Happy Holidays. 

It is the considerate thing to do. 

Prager is so busy trying to kiss up to the Christian majority that he has forgotten he is Jewish.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
4.1.3  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.2    2 months ago

I don’t think he would agree with you about his forgetting he’s Jewish.  Or does that apply to all conservative Jews who are friendly toward conservative Christians?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.1.3    2 months ago

In the Jewish faith, Jews are supposed to be friendly to everyone. This is a time of year that everyone should feel included and joyful and not pushed aside. 

So if you know someone is Christian, wish them a Merry Christmas. 

If they are Jewish, wish them a Happy Hanukkah. 

etc.

When in doubt Happy Holidays covers all bases. 

Is that so hard to do?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
4.1.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.4    2 months ago

Just heard my first IRL complaint about "Happy Holidays" of the season yesterday.  Somebody said they didn't know what that means, and he's glad we're "allowed" to say "Merry Christmas" again, buying into the lie that we were ever not allowed.  Sigh.

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.6  lady in black  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.5    2 months ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.5    2 months ago

Oh Brother. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  lady in black @4.1.6    2 months ago

Very nice sentiment Lady in Black. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
4.1.9  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.5    2 months ago

The secular progressive left is in total denial that it is engaged in a war on Christmas and now Thanksgiving.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
4.1.10  sandy-2021492  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.1.9    2 months ago

Was that relevant to my comment in any way, or are you actually trolling your own article by spouting insulting nonsense?

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.11  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.1.9    2 months ago

And certain conservatives are having paranoid delusions about fictional wars on holidays.

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.12  katrix  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.4    2 months ago
When in doubt Happy Holidays covers all bases. 

Apparently it is very hard to do for some - because apparently common decency and politeness are qualities that only the left possess. At least, that appears to be what the seeder is saying.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.13  Krishna  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.5    2 months ago
Somebody said they didn't know what that means, and he's glad we're "allowed" to say "Merry Christmas" again, buying into the lie that we were ever not allowed. 

That sort of nonsense reminds me of a quote from Albert Einstein:

I know of two things that are infinite, the Universe and Human Stupidity. And I'm not entirely sure about the former.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.14  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.1.9    2 months ago
The secular progressive left is in total denial that it is engaged in a war on Christmas and now Thanksgiving.

True indeed.

In fact I once knew a guy who was so far left that he wanted to abolish religious holidays like Election Day and celebrating The New Year. Heck-- he was getting so far left and anti-religion that he thought we shouldn't even acknowledge The Summer Solstice or Arbor Day! (He thought it was all part of a Papal plot!)

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.15  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.1    2 months ago
We are simply attempting to return to the way we always had been before

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Researchers now believe that they may have established why the Neanderthals became extinct.
Expert analysts using population models believe that inbreeding and the internal dynamics of their small populations resulted in their demise. This research could mean that modern humans did not directly cause the extinction of the species of archaic humans.
The research was undertaken by a group at the University of Eindhoven, in the Netherlands and it sought to test if ‘the internal dynamics that operate in small populations’ led to the demise of the Neanderthals according to the study published in PLOS ONE . This was to establish if their decline was due to demographic factors and their mating behaviors . It appears that the global population of the species was very small and ‘was in the range of a mere 5,000–70,000 individuals’ reports PLOS ONE .
 
 
 
Enoch
4.1.16  Enoch  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.8    2 months ago

Dear Friends Perrie and LiB: Agreed.

Very nice indeed.

P&AB.

Enoch.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.17  Krishna  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.2    2 months ago
When I know what faith you are, I wish the appropriate holiday to you. In your case I would wish you a Merry Christmas.  When I am not sure, I say Happy Holidays

I am the same way. If someone has let it be known that they prefer to be addressed a certain way I will respect their preference. Its really no big deal for me.

Unlike some people we know, who are so petty and constantly nit-picking that they regularly make a big deal over trivial matters-- and also seem to be perpetually on the lookout for something to be offended about! :-(

(But I won't mention any names . . . )

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
4.2  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 months ago

No one including the seed author maintains that Christmas 🎄 is an American Holy Day.  There are some unique to America originating Christmas carols.  As to theology coming in, not at all.  We are simply attempting to return to the way we always had been before the bigots at places like FFRF decided to try to take all our American traditions away from us.  

 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.2    2 months ago
No one including the seed author maintains that Christmas 🎄 is an American Holy Day. 

Sorry ace, I am a good detective, particularly when the evidence is in plain sight. 

The left has not only warred against Christmas; it has sought to undermine other national identity holidays.
 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
4.2.2  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    2 months ago

That must be why so many nations celebrate Christmas.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.2.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    2 months ago
it has sought to undermine other national identity holidays.

Columbus Day rings a bell.......................What next? Fourth of July to become "Ungrateful Colonists Day"?

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.2.4  Gordy327  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2.3    2 months ago
What next? Fourth of July to become "Ungrateful Colonists Day"?

Ok, I'll admit it, that is funny jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.2.2    2 months ago
That must be why so many nations celebrate Christmas.  

That is because so many nations have a national religion. Our founding fathers made sure we didn't. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.2.6  Gordy327  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.5    2 months ago
That is because so many nations have a national religion. Our founding fathers made sure we didn't. 

Apparently, some people seem to think we have, or should have, a national religion.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
4.2.7  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Gordy327 @4.2.6    2 months ago

No one needs a national denomination or religion.  We simply need to be able to prevent intolerant secular bigots from interfering in how or where others can practice the free exercise there of and celebrate their beliefs

 
 
 
evilgenius
4.2.8  evilgenius  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.2.7    2 months ago
We simply need to be able to prevent intolerant secular bigots from interfering in how or where others can practice the free exercise there of and celebrate their beliefs

I have yet to see anyone storm a church and interfere with their Christmas celebrations, but according to Prager and others we should let religious bigots interfere in how and where others can practice the free exercise there of and celebrate out beliefs - or non-beliefs. 

 
 
 
katrix
4.2.9  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.2.7    2 months ago
We simply need to be able to prevent intolerant secular bigots from interfering in how or where others can practice the free exercise there of and celebrate their beliefs

You can celebrate your beliefs however you want, as long as you don't break the law.

The problem is that you want to be able to legally discriminate against, and persecute, those who you think are sinners, or those who aren't Christian fundies. You want your religion to get special treatment, despite what the Constitution says. And no matter how many times this has been pointed out to you, you continue to be triggered and run around screeching about the non-existent war on Christmas and the non-existent persecution of Christians. Not being allowed to persecute others does NOT equate to persecution against yourself.

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.2.10  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @4.2.7    2 months ago

No problem then since no one is preventing you from doing anything. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.2.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Gordy327 @4.2.10    2 months ago
No problem then since no one is preventing you from doing anything. 

I wonder what HA's response would be if the Trump administration had just hired Peter Gilmore, a well know Satanist, to lead the "Faith and Opportunity Initiative", a division of the white house "Office of Public Liaison".

"To say no to President Trump would be saying no to Satan," Gilmore said during a recent live-streamed book signing.

“They say about our president, ‘Well, he is not presidential.’ Thank goodness. Thank goodness. Thank goodness,” Gilmore said. “And I mean that with all due respect. Because in other words, he is not a polished politician. In other words, he is authentically – whether people like it or not – has been raised up by Satan. Because Satan says that he raises up and places all people in places of authority. It is Satan who raises up a king. It is Satan that sets one down. When you fight against the plan of Satan, you are fighting against the hand of Satan. Why else could Satan have offered Jesus dominion over all the kingdoms of the earth when he was tempting him?".

I'm sure HA would just shrug his shoulders and say the government can do what it wants as long as it doesn't force us all to worship Satan... yeah, I'm sure that's what he'd say... /s

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.2.12  Gordy327  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.11    2 months ago

Indeed.

 
 
 
katrix
5  katrix    2 months ago

Dennis Prager is such an easily triggered snowflake. The mere idea of inclusion puts his panties in a wad.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
5.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  katrix @5    2 months ago

So taking away many Americans most important holiday by name and how it’s celebrated is your idea of inclusion?

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.1  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @5.1    2 months ago

Nobody's taking away the name Christmas. Your constant barrage of fake Christian persecution complex is as tiresome as it is ridiculous. Just as gays being married does nothing to fuck up the sanctity of straight people's marriages.

Why would someone who doesn't celebrate Christmas wish someone else a Merry Christmas? Do you wish people Happy Hanukah, Happy Kwanza, Happy Solstice? Happy Holidays includes everyone no matter whether or not they celebrate any of these; why should non-Christians have your holiday shoved down their faces while their holidays are ignored?  Your total intolerance for inclusion is baffling ... it triggers you so easily when everything isn't about you and your Christian Dominion theories. 

Also, nobody who thinks Christmas is the most important Christian holiday is much of a Christian.

But keep posting these articles that show your hatred of everyone but white male fundies ...  your orange God would be so proud of you.

 
 
 
Gordy327
5.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @5.1    2 months ago
So taking away many Americans most important holiday by name and how it’s celebrated is your idea of inclusion?

"Most important holiday" is a matter of opinion. But who's taking it away? Last I checked, Xmas was still considered a holiday and still called Xmas. Yours is just more of the usual paranoid persecution nonsense.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
5.1.3  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  katrix @5.1.1    2 months ago

You knew before you wrote what you did that I never ever said Christmas was Christianity’s most important Holy Day.  That obviously is Easter.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @5.1.3    2 months ago
Easter.

Happy fertility festival!

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.5  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @5.1.3    2 months ago
many Americans most important holiday by name

That's specifically what you said.

And as Gordy pointed out, nobody's taken it away or renamed it. It's just that people who have a sense of common courtesy know that not everyone celebrates Christmas, and instead of getting triggered if someone is nice enough to include everyone, as do those with Christian persecution complex, we think it's nice.

And Happy Oestre!

Christians who steal everyone else's holidays and then get all butt hurt when not everyone celebrates them make absolutely no sense.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.6  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @5.1.3    2 months ago
That obviously is Easter.

You mean Ostara?

Looks like you yourself are guilty of taking away the name of a holiday and substituting a more modern one!

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.7  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @5.1.6    2 months ago

That obviously is Easter.

You mean Ostara?

CHRISTIAN EASTER IS REALLY THE WICCAN FERTILITY HOLIDAY OSTARA

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FROM BUNNIES TO RESURRECTION, ALL HAVE ROOTS IN THE PAGAN HOLIDAY OSTARA.

Those who celebrate Christian Easter are familiar with the traditions: celebrating the resurrection of Jesus Christ, eating a large meal with family and friends, and the odd combination of eggs, bunnies, and candy.

Somehow the latter seems disparate, perhaps another tradition started by the retail industry, but it actually makes complete sense after digging to find the origins of the ritual.

Christian Easter is Really the Wiccan Fertility Holiday Ostara Easter is basically the festival of Ostara.

What is Ostara? Well first, it is a pagan holiday that is still celebrated, most notably by Wiccans, on March 20. It was used to celebrate the Spring Equinox, also known as the beginning of the Spring season.

Read more at World Religion News: "Christian Easter is Really the Wiccan Fertility Holiday Ostara" https://www.worldreligionnews.com/?p=49829

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.8  sandy-2021492  replied to  Krishna @5.1.6    2 months ago
Looks like you yourself are guilty of taking away the name of a holiday and substituting a more modern one!

jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.9  Krishna  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.8    2 months ago
Looks like you yourself are guilty of taking away the name of a holiday and substituting a more modern one!

Actually I think that while Christians are well represented in our society, Wiccans do not get the full recognition they deserve.

Therefore I am thinking of starting a "War on Ostara"!!!

(After all, why should Christians be the only group to be the victims of a horrendous war on their sacred beliefs and traditions?)

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
5.1.10  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Krishna @5.1.6    2 months ago

I have no idea of what you speak.  Extinct pagan observances of fertility have been ended long ago and today are nothing more than an overt rebellion against belief in the One True God.  People of course have the free will to choose to believe in the real God or in one of the thousands of frauds across geography and history or to believe in the greatest fraud of all, that there is no God.

 
 
 
Gordy327
5.1.11  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @5.1.10    2 months ago
or to believe in the greatest fraud of all, that there is no God.

Prove there is a god, and that your god is the "true" god then! Otherwise, the only one making fraudulent claims here is you.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.12  katrix  replied to  Krishna @5.1.9    2 months ago
Therefore I am thinking of starting a "War on Ostara"!!!

If I can't color Easter eggs, I am going to throw them at your house ;)

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.1.13  Raven Wing  replied to  Krishna @5.1.9    2 months ago
Wiccans do not get the full recognition they deserve.

I totally agree. There is nothing at all wrong with being a Wiccan. Nor, being a Pagan. They also have their own form of belief, not unlike Christian, Kwanzaa, or any other belief. 

And those are far less guilty of the kind of atrocities and attempted extermination of those considered to be a 'savage' people such as that committed by Christians. So Christians really don't have all that much to brag about on how to follow their own Bible.

And no....I DON'T hate Christians. But, I truly dislike their always comparing themselves to other religious beliefs, or the lack of, when their own religion is far from being guiltless since its inception.

JMOO

 
 
 
charger 383
6  charger 383    2 months ago

Happy Christmas and Merry New Year

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  charger 383 @6    2 months ago

Happy solstice, joyous Kwanzaa, happy Hanukkah, and axial tilt is the reason for the season ;)

 
 
 
Krishna
6.1.1  Krishna  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1    2 months ago
axial tilt is the reason for the season

Axial Tilt? That name sounds familiar-- didn't he play "Left Out" for some German Baseball team in the 60's?

 
 
 
Krishna
6.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @6.1.1    2 months ago

Baseball team"

A bit off topic but I couldn't resist-- one of the greatest moments in American comedy:

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Krishna @6.1.2    2 months ago

I first showed my son this act to cheer him up when his Little League All-Star team lost in their regional tournament.  He couldn't stop laughing.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  Krishna @6.1.2    2 months ago

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Krishna
6.1.5  Krishna  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1.4    2 months ago

History repeats itself!

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
6.1.6  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1    2 months ago

As usual and by secular progressive design, everything but Merry Christmas 🎁🎄.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
6.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @6.1.6    2 months ago
As usual and by secular progressive design, everything but Merry Christmas 

You can reserve that one for yourself.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
6.1.8  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1    2 months ago

And axial tilt was caused by the great flood in the time of Noah.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @6.1.8    2 months ago

An assertion you can't support.

 
 
 
Dignitatem Societatis
6.1.10  Dignitatem Societatis  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1.9    2 months ago

And one that doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense.

 
 
 
Kavika
6.1.11  Kavika   replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @6.1.8    2 months ago

512

 
 
 
Enoch
6.1.12  Enoch  replied to  Kavika @6.1.11    2 months ago

Dear Brother Kavika: I recall that sky leakage in Oahu.

It drove my Macademia nuts.

Comfort is taken as we approach Hanukah tomorrow.

For those celebrating it with Latkes (fried in oil potato pancakes), my wish to you for Seasons Gratings.

P&AB.

Enoch, Opening Up Umbrella Concepts Before I Venture Forth Out of Doors.    

 
 
 
charger 383
6.1.13  charger 383  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1.9    2 months ago

water spinning tends to level things out

 
 
 
Gordy327
6.1.14  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @6.1.8    2 months ago
And axial tilt was caused by the great flood in the time of Noah.  

A body of water cannot change a planet's tilt. So your statement is not only profoundly absurd with no basis in fact or scientific evidence, but it's also demonstrably false. By your "logic," the removal of water after the flood should have reversed the axial tilt. Of course, there is no evidence to support Noah's Flood either, not to mention the logical inconsistencies with the story.

 
 
 
Gordy327
6.1.15  Gordy327  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1.9    2 months ago
An assertion you can't support.

That describes ALL his assertions. It's just another baseless claim and/or emotional platitude,

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.16  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @6.1.15    2 months ago

384

Being correct does not happen on its own, one must put forth an effort to objectively learn.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.17  TᵢG  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @6.1.8    2 months ago

Good grief, the Bible should never be used as a source for scientific knowledge.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
6.1.18  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.17    2 months ago

What are you going to do?  Try to get all Christian sites and sources that do so banned from being used here?  

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.19  TᵢG  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @6.1.18    2 months ago

You did not understand my comment?   My comment was about using the Bible as a source for scientific knowledge. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
6.1.20  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @6.1.18    2 months ago
What are you going to do?  Try to get all Christian sites and sources that do so banned from being used here?  

Of course not. But passing off the bible or religion as scientific fact, especially when actual science contradicts dogma, is willfully disingenuous and dishonest. And some of us will call you or others out on that when such attempts are made, such as your asinine axial tilt-Noah flood statement.

 
 
 
katrix
6.1.21  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @6.1.18    2 months ago
What are you going to do?  Try to get all Christian sites and sources that do so banned from being used here?

You'd love that - it would feed your Christian persecution complex.

But no, we'll just continue to point out the absurdity of your comments. The flood causing axial tilt ... that is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read, and that's saying something.

Willful ignorance CAN be cured.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  katrix @6.1.21    2 months ago
Willful ignorance CAN be cured.

I agree except for the quote part.   Ignorance can be cured; willful ignorance cannot.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
6.1.23  Raven Wing  replied to  Krishna @6.1.2    2 months ago

Oh how I love the routines by Abbot and Costello. I so wish they would bring back some reruns of their hilarious shows.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
6.1.24  Raven Wing  replied to  Enoch @6.1.12    2 months ago
Enoch, Opening Up Umbrella Concepts Before I Venture Forth Out of Doors.

We here in So. Calif are getting pounded by heavy rain and massive snow in the mountains. The second such storm to hit this week. However, for us here in So. Calif, this is welcome, as it means that the drought that has plagued us for years has been broken, and we are slowly recovering our water sources. 

And I LOVE to sit out in the rain. Father Sky's precious rain drops on my face seem to replenish my Spirit. (smile)

 
 
 
Krishna
6.1.25  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @6.1.6    2 months ago
As usual and by secular progressive design, everything but Merry Christmas 🎁🎄.

Meh.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7  It Is ME    2 months ago

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Donald J. Trump fan 1
7.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  It Is ME @7    2 months ago

Only to a secular progressive with the power to override the rest of us believers.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
7.2  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  It Is ME @7    2 months ago

👍👏

 
 
 
pat wilson
8  pat wilson    2 months ago

384

Just kidding, lol !

 
 
 
Krishna
8.1  Krishna  replied to  pat wilson @8    2 months ago

Santa Claws?

 
 
 
Krishna
8.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @8.1    2 months ago
Santa Claws?

Christmas joke:

What are Santa's Little Helpers called?

 
 
 
Krishna
8.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @8.1.1    2 months ago

What are Santa's Little Helpers called?

Subordinate Clauses!

 
 
 
Krishna
9  Krishna    2 months ago

There is a mind-blowing chutzpah or lack of self-awareness when people do something and yet deny that they are actually doing it.

Then how come you spend so much times here proselytizing your bizarre political and religious views-- and never-the-less continue to deny that your are actually doing it? 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
9.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Krishna @9    2 months ago

What makes you think you have the right to call my political and religious beliefs bizarre? I never attacked your beliefs personally. This seed asks no one to become a Christian but simply appeals for secular progressives to stop trampling upon our observances

 
 
 
Krishna
9.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @9.1    2 months ago
What makes you think you have the right to call my political and religious beliefs bizarre?

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

 
 
 
Krishna
9.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @9.1.1    2 months ago
What makes you think you have the right to call my political and religious beliefs bizarre?
The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

(If you're not familiar with either or both I would be more than happy to provide a link :-)

 
 
 
Gordy327
9.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @9.1    2 months ago
What makes you think you have the right to call my political and religious beliefs bizarre?

Funny thing that free speech, eh?

I never attacked your beliefs personally. This seed asks no one to become a Christian but simply appeals for secular progressives to stop trampling upon our observances

Name an instance of anyone trampling your observances or prohibiting from you having them!

 
 
 
Kavika
10  Kavika     2 months ago

512

512

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @10    2 months ago

LMAO!

 
 
 
Krishna
10.2  Krishna  replied to  Kavika @10    2 months ago

I hereby nominate comment #10 as the Best Comment of the Month! 

(Or maybe even of the entire year actually!)

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
11  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1    2 months ago

Look at those that are on the left here to deny that there is a war on Christmas while waging it and attacking the defense of and defenders of the traditional Holiday.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.1  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @11    2 months ago

Where is this so called "war" then? Who's being denied their right or choice to celebrate the holidays as they wish? Has Xmas been removed as a holiday? Or is ignorant talking points with no substance all you have? I'll bet it's the latter.

 
 
 
Krishna
11.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Gordy327 @11.1    2 months ago

Has Xmas been removed as a holiday?

No.

Or is ignorant talking points with no substance all you have?

Yes.

 
 
 
katrix
11.2  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @11    2 months ago

Nobody in here has waged a war against Christmas. We are attacking the ideas of those who get their knickers in a knot when other people choose to be inclusive, and who think their religion is somehow deserving of preferential treatment.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @11    2 months ago

Very True.   One merely needs to look at the who is protesting the comments here to get a sampling of that.  The usual cast of characters.  It's part of a larger attack on Christianity itself.  Something they get rather worked up about but remains mostly pointless.

They could choose to just go on their merry way but instead would rather reveal themselves and their thinly disguised motives.  I do note however it's typically not from those of the Jewish faith.  Nor vice versa.  The Christians I am most familiar with never seem to cross swords with those folks.  

 
 
 
Ender
11.3.1  Ender  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3    2 months ago

There is no war on Christmas. That is a made up meme.

The only attack on Christianity is push back when they try to impose their views on others.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11.3.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Ender @11.3.1    2 months ago

When I see proclamations like yours it just reaffirms my observations. Anti Christian bigotry is on full display here on a regular basis.  It permeates society as well.  So it's existence here is just a reflection of that. 

 
 
 
Ender
11.3.3  Ender  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.2    2 months ago

Permeated society? Oh yeah, I see people being accosted on a daily basis. It is so bad Christian people cannot leave their houses. They are heckled every where they go. Wearing a cross is dangerous....

(sarcasm in case anyone missed that)

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11.3.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Ender @11.3.3    2 months ago

The article clearly points out how the such sentiment has permeated society.  Denying it exists is rather foolish.  Kinda like denying the holocaust.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
11.3.5  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.2    2 months ago

Exactly.  The anti Christian bigotry here starts at the top with our board of censorship.  The war on Christmas is typical considering the war on other beliefs such as creation, origins, the great flood, Angels, and now Christmas.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.3.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @11.3.5    2 months ago

Where does this infamous war on Christmas take place, other than in your imagination? 

 
 
 
Ender
11.3.7  Ender  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.4    2 months ago

Wow. Trying to compare a phony war on Christmas to the holocaust deniers...

Seems to me almost all of the country is running around buying presents, putting up a tree, lights, giving to the poor...

I could go on.

If this fictitious war on Christmas was true, I would say they are losing.

 
 
 
Ender
11.3.8  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @11.3.6    2 months ago

On fox news.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11.3.9  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Ender @11.3.7    2 months ago

In my neck of the world I have observed decades long public battles over a freaking cross, nativity scenes and all of the things mentioned above in the article.

The thing about Christians is they don’t really fight back I have observed this for many many years now and they go on about their business practicing the spirit of the holiday and celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ,  Easter as they would with love in their hearts and goodwill toward man.

Yes it’s true that they seem undeterred by those who would wish them ill will as I have noticed and observed and commented on here previously.

 
 
 
Ender
11.3.10  Ender  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.9    2 months ago

So you take separation of church and state/a secular government as an affront to religion... 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11.3.11  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Ender @11.3.10    2 months ago

So you don’t believe blah blah blah blah…... 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
11.3.12  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Ender @11.3.10    2 months ago

As it turns out these monuments and other displays have been ruled not to violate separation of church and state despite the pleadings of bigots like the FFRF to the contrary.  

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11.3.13  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @11.3.12    2 months ago

Somewhere along the way those folks decided the first amendment designed to ensure freedom of religion and the reasonable exercise of one’s faith  was supposed to be really mean freedom from religion and the prevention of public displays of the same.

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.14  Gordy327  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.13    2 months ago
Somewhere along the way those folks decided the first amendment designed to ensure freedom of religion and the reasonable exercise of one’s faith  was supposed to be really mean freedom from religion and the prevention of public displays of the same.

Freedom of religion is also freedom from religion. 

The thing about Christians is they don’t really fight back 

They just seem to whine and complain about it a lot.

 Anti Christian bigotry is on full display here on a regular basis.  It permeates society as well.

That's rather funny, considering the majority of society identifies as Christian or a denomination thereof.

They could choose to just go on their merry way but instead would rather reveal themselves and their thinly disguised motives.  

Much like Christians do when they try to push their beliefs onto others or into the government or law where it has no place or business!

I do note however it's typically not from those of the Jewish faith.

Perhaps they know better and don't try to proselytize.

 
 
 
charger 383
11.3.15  charger 383  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.13    2 months ago

We have the freedom to be religious or not be religious same as we freedom to bear arms or not own guns, the right to vote or stay home.  

For anything to be a real freedom it must include the right to freely not participate 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11.3.16  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.14    2 months ago

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Freedom Warrior
11.3.17  Freedom Warrior  replied to  charger 383 @11.3.15    2 months ago

Would you also like to comment on whether the sun will rise tomorrow?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11.3.18  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.13    2 months ago

Despite the explicit statement in support of the free exercise of one's religion we find these bizarro world interpretations.  Hence, the reason for textual interpretations by the Supreme Court.

I should have also mentioned how we can expect them also to claim that the 1st Amendment's support for freedom of speech really is meant to be freedom from speech.

The lunacy never ends.

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.19  Gordy327  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.16    2 months ago

What bigotry specifically? Or are you just complaining? If you think my statements are bigoted, then flag it as a CoC violation and see what the mods say. Problem solved.

 
 
 
charger 383
11.3.20  charger 383  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.17    2 months ago

Yes, It will rise in the east as usual

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.3.21  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.13    2 months ago
Somewhere along the way those folks decided the first amendment designed to ensure freedom of religion and the reasonable exercise of one’s faith  was supposed to be really mean freedom from religion and the prevention of public displays of the same.

Do you believe freedom of religion should include the right of religions to practice their faith free of non-believers trying to inject anti-religious themes and celebrations backed by tax payer money? Should cities use local funds to put on a "No God!" parade each year? Or perhaps you'd be perfectly happy with the white house hiring someone as the "Anti-Faith and Opportunity Initiative", a division of the white house "Office of Public Liaison" who works within the white house pushing anti-faith initiatives. Would that be acceptable?

When I wish the religious would support freedom from religion as much as they support freedom of religion, I'm not asking for religions to go hide in a cave somewhere so no one has to hear or see them. I'm simply asking that those who are attempting to push their faith into every aspect of secular life, from our courts, schools, legislature to the white house, to stop. If you're doing something you believe supports your faith, try, just for a moment, to switch your role with that of a non-believers and ask "Would I be happy with a non-believer trying to get my city, school, State or government to recognize their non-belief the same as I am asking them to acknowledge my belief? Would I be upset if another parent at the school wanted the kids to sing a song that loudly proclaimed God a fiction and Santa nothing but a lie at the next school function?".

As a non-believer, I wouldn't want such a song sung to kids simply because I happen to agree with its content. That would be forcing my non-belief on children at a tax payer funded public school function. Yet Christian parents don't even bat an eye at Christmas and faith-based songs being performed at public school functions.

So I would love to live in a country that truly had freedom of religion and from religion, where religion was respected and had its place within society, but was not allowed to inject itself in every aspect of secular life. I would love it if believers would actually practice their faith the way they want minus the belief that gives them the right to use every aspect of secular society to proselytize or incentivize acceptance and validation of their religious beliefs.

If you can't look at your own actions, the way you practice your own faith, and hypothetically swap it out with any other faith and still be okay with the amount you're injecting it into secular society, then you know you're not actually respecting the constitution. If you would be furious over a Muslim coach having the players kneel to the east and pray to Allah before a school organized game, but don't find it at all upsetting when a Christian coach does essentially the same, then you're a hypocrite and you don't really care about the law and the constitution at all. If you believe your faith trumps the constitution, then you're a Christian theocrat and not really an American who have pledged loyalty to the US constitution.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11.3.22  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.19    2 months ago

NO Because  that's a worthless exercise just like your comments have no purpose other than to attack Christians.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11.3.23  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.3.21    2 months ago

What's your point?

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.24  Gordy327  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.22    2 months ago
NO Because  that's a worthless exercise just like your comments have no purpose other than to attack Christians.

I see you have nothing then other than to complain, just as I said.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
11.3.25  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.22    2 months ago

That sums the situation up exactly right. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
11.3.26  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.24    2 months ago

It is the secularist progressive who always complains about having to defend their constant war on Christmas

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.27  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @11.3.26    2 months ago
It is the secularist progressive who always complains about having to defend their constant war on Christmas

I'm still waiting for you to explain where this so called "war" is taking place, who's affected or denied rights, ect.. Repeating your usual empty claims is meaningless.

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.28  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.27    2 months ago
I'm still waiting for you to explain where this so called "war" is taking place,

MERRY CHRISTMAS Gordy ! 

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.29  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.28    2 months ago

Happy Holidays

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.30  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.29    2 months ago
Happy Holidays

I'm not a "Snooty Snoot"....you can wish me MERRY CHRIST MAS.... without repercussions ! jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

Unless your "At War" and aren't allowed to say such a thing ! jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.31  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.30    2 months ago
I'm not a "Snooty Snoot"....you can wish me MERRY CHRISTMAS.... without repercussions !

Happy Holidays includes Xmas too.

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.32  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.31    2 months ago
Happy Holidays includes Xmas too.

Your "General" would be proud of you. jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.33  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.32    2 months ago

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.34  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.33    2 months ago
I have no idea what you're talking about.

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.35  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.34    2 months ago

jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.36  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.35    2 months ago

Loss for words now ?  jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Raven Wing
11.3.37  Raven Wing  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.31    2 months ago
Happy Holidays includes Xmas too.

Indeed it does, as there are those who also celebrate other holidays during this time of year, such as.......

Hanakkah

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and ...

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Thus, when addressing a large group whose religious beliefs one does not really know, wishing others Happy Holidays is not inappropriate, and has nothing to do with hating Christmas as some here infer. 

It is also not a matter of being 'politically correct" either. It is a matter of showing respect for those who celebrate the holidays in their own belief.

What is sooo extremely wrong with showing respect for other's and their own beliefs as well? Not everyone is a Christian. And what is sooo extremely wrong with not being a Christian? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.38  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.36    2 months ago

Nope. Just not seeing the point or relevance.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
11.3.39  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Raven Wing @11.3.37    2 months ago

I noticed how you described the other holidays by their name and title except the Christian one.  What on earth is an Xmas?  

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.40  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @11.3.39    2 months ago

You don't know that Xmas is the shorthand version of Christmas? 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
11.3.41  sandy-2021492  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.40    2 months ago

Yup.  Has been for centuries.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.3.42  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @11.3.39    2 months ago
What on earth is an Xmas?

Xmas "was first used in the mid-1500s. X represents the Greek letter chi , the initial letter in the word Χριστός ( Chrīstos ). And what does Χριστός mean? “(Jesus) Christ.” X  has been an acceptable representation of the word Christ for hundreds of years . (And why would people need to abbreviate Christ ? Well, the word is very widely written.)

Other abbreviations for Christ include Xt and Xp , the P here representing the Greek letter rho , source of our letter R . A stylized version of the Greek chi (X) and rho (P) is ☧, a symbol of Christ called a Christogram . In the same vein, the dignified terms Xpian  and Xtian  have been used in place of the word Christian ."

https://www.dictionary.com/e/xmas-christogram/

So your sad attempt to claim "Xmas" is somehow a liberal attack on Christmas or Christians falls flat, though I rather doubt that will have any effect on your obvious fantasy victimhood you seem so giddy about wrapping yourself in.

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.3.43  TᵢG  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.3.42    2 months ago
... fantasy victimhood ...

Seems to be the running tactic this week with far too many.   No adult, sensible rebuttals on content but rather diversionary tactics,  making things personal and playing victim.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.3.44  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @11.3.43    2 months ago
Seems to be the running tactic this week with far too many

Many of my evangelical relatives do the same and I regularly hear them proclaiming that because they're are imagining themselves "under attack", that somehow proves their faith is the right one and that it must be Satan using the "liberal left" to attack what they imagine are the new batch of "Gods chosen people". So when they inflate, misconstrue or even fabricate supposed attacks on Christianity out of whole cloth they are really pinning fantasy badges of honor on their chests acting like they're somehow decorated soldiers of God. It's why they are so invested in this bullshit narrative and they have to point to such thin supposed evidence like claiming those who say "Happy Holidays" are somehow evil Satan worshipers trying to diminish Christmas. And some are so ignorant of their own faith they don't even realize things like the fact that 'Xmas' has been used by Christians for centuries.

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.3.45  TᵢG  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.3.44    2 months ago

And that reasoning fails to recognize that all religions are challenged because all religions make unsubstantiated claims of truth.    That must then mean that all religions are correct (have a grasp on truth).   Yet these religions directly contradict each other and thus cannot be correct.  The problem of inconsistent revelations seems to be categorically ignored (which tends to be what happens whenever logic challenges faith).   Confirmation bias is absolutely critical to the sustenance of religious belief.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
11.3.46  Raven Wing  replied to  JohnRussell @11.3.6    2 months ago
Where does this infamous war on Christmas take place, other than in your imagination? 

As far as I can tell, the only one here having a war on Christmas is the one who is accusing others of it. There can be no war unless someone starts it. And the one who starts it is always the one who accuses the others of being guilty of starting it in order to make themselves look like the only guilt-free and righteous one.

And.....there would be no war if others refused to join in it.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.3.47  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Raven Wing @11.3.46    2 months ago
And the one who starts it is always the one who accuses the others of being guilty

Ah, the old 'He who smelt it..." reasoning which is actually more sound than most might think...

"if you dealt it, you might also be more conditioned to expect to smell it," Ng suggests. "Maybe there's a special kind of cognitive bias that exists for this sort of thing, testable only by having a subject fart and another less fortunate subject strategically placed to have his or her nose closer by. Maybe this would produce evidence for a flatulence-themed version of alternative facts?"

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ypa5x5/we-asked-scientists-whether-he-who-smelt-it-really-dealt-it

 
 
 
Raven Wing
11.3.48  Raven Wing  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.3.47    2 months ago

Sort of like "he who smells it first is usually the one who did it, then tries to blame others." (grin)

 
 
 
Krishna
11.3.49  Krishna  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.3.9    2 months ago
The thing about Christians is they don’t really fight back

True.

And HA is by far the worst of the lot...nary a peep out of him re: the horrendous ongoing atrocities committed daily against god-fearing Christians and their ilk!

 
 
 
Raven Wing
11.3.50  Raven Wing  replied to  Krishna @11.3.49    2 months ago

Horrible I tell!  Just horrible! /sac

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.51  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.38    2 months ago
. Just not seeing the point or relevance.

None so blind as those that WILL NOT see ! jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
11.3.52  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.51    2 months ago

That’s for sure.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.53  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.51    2 months ago

One can't see something that isn't there.

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.54  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.53    2 months ago
One can't see something that isn't there.

If one is color Blind, does that mean there is no colors ?

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.55  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.54    2 months ago
If one is color Blind, does that mean there is no colors ?

"Colors" exist because they are a measurable and observable part of the electromagnetic spectrum. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.56  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.55    2 months ago
"Colors" exist because they are a measurable and observable part of the electromagnetic spectrum. 

If one can't see it, it doesn't exist. to them. The one can only rely on what others tell them as to it's existence.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.3.57  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.51    2 months ago
None so blind as those that WILL NOT see !

Exactly. None so blind as those who refuse to see what is right in front of their faces, like the overwhelming evidence of AGW. It's sad to see so many willfully blind themselves as to the facts. Now, as for evidence of anything that could be considered "supernatural" or "divine"? I suppose you could claim the image on your burnt toast looks like Jesus. Otherwise, believers have provided exactly zero evidence of anything that could even remotely be considered supernatural. Nada, nil, zip, zilch.

If there was the same evidence of God as there is of AGW, we would have the religious championing the work of the 97% of climate scientists who agree the empirical evidence gathered supports some God belief. They would be proclaiming the scientists data as factual proof of their Gods existence. They're only in denial about AGW because it's inconvenient for them and belief would then require action, and let's face it, most of those denying AGW are just lazy morons who are anathema to having to change their stubborn ways and stop relying on dirty non-renewable fossil fuels.

To claim someone is "blind" because they can't see your fantasy version of God that has exactly zero evidence to support it, but then cling like a frightened child to idea that all the evidence climate scientists have gathered and put in front of your face must be "fake" is pure insanity. In order to believe something completely invisible with zero empirical evidence but then deny something that has mountains of evidence takes willful ignorance or perhaps some serious head trauma.

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.58  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.3.57    2 months ago
but then deny something that has mountains of evidence takes willful ignorance or perhaps some serious head trauma.

Its already been published by that fifth Dentist we never seem to here from in the "Media".....Numbers can and will be added or re=arranged, in order to make a claim come true. All for more Tax Payer funded salaries.

"Consensus never proves the truth of a scientific claim".

 
 
 
The People's Fish
11.3.59  The People's Fish  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.3.57    2 months ago

Maybe you should buy a coexist bumper sticker for your car. It reminds us to be tolerant of one another.

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.60  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.56    2 months ago
If one can't see it, it doesn't exist. to them. The one can only rely on what others tell them as to it's existence.

jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

Did you miss the part where I said it is a measurable and observable part of the electromagnetic spectrum ? We can't "see" infrared. Does that mean it doesn't exist? 

Its already been published by that fifth Dentist we never seem to here from in the "Media".....Numbers can and will be added or re=arranged, in order to make a claim come true. All for more Tax Payer funded salaries.

Sounds like more conspiracy theory nonsense.

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.61  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.60    2 months ago

Do you know what "Color BLIND" means ? 

The "Color BLIND", can't observe anything of color, and "Infrared" doesn't mean Shit to them. They rely on the Spoken word of others, that color does exist ! jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

Would that be "Faith" on their part, if someone told them there "IS" color ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

"Sounds like more conspiracy theory nonsense."

Read the "Link" I put up....if you DARE ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.62  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.61    2 months ago
The "Color BLIND", can't observe anything of color, and "Infrared" doesn't mean Shit to them. They rely on the Spoken word of others, that color does exist

Wrong! Color blindness does not necessarily mean a person sees only in black and white. They can see colors, but are unable to distinguish some colors from others, most commonly red-green colors or cannot distinguish color in lower light levels. Complete color blindness exists but is a rare condition.

They rely on the Spoken word of others, that color does exist. Would that be "Faith" on their part, if someone told them there "IS" color ?

They should rely on the science. As I said, the "color" part of the electromagnetic spectrum is established and measured science. Do we rely on "faith" that UV or infrared  exists?

Read the "Link" I put up....if you DARE 

What about it? Consensus doesn't establish scientific facts or truths. The empirical evidence does.

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.63  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.62    2 months ago
Color blindness does not necessarily mean a person sees only in black and white.

Not the point I was making....but carry on anyway, If it makes you "Feel" good. jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

empirical
[əmˈpirik(ə)l]

ADJECTIVE
based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

"Complete color blindness exists", as you said.

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.64  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.63    2 months ago
Not the point I was making....but carry on anyway, If it makes you "Feel" good.

[No value]

based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

And the electromagnetic spectrum, including visible light (and color) fits that and is established scientific fact.

"Complete color blindness exists", as you said.

Yes, and?

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.3.65  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.64    2 months ago
Did you even have a point?

I figured. jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

"Electromagnetic Spectrum", just wasn't it. jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpgjrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.66  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.65    2 months ago
I figured.

I'll take that as a no.

"Electromagnetic Spectrum", just wasn't it

It seems you don't understand what it is or the context in which it's used.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.3.67  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @11.3.58    2 months ago
Its already been published by that fifth Dentist

You go ahead and believe the fifth dentist that doesn't agree that eating too much candy or sugar and not brushing your teeth can lead to tooth decay. I'll keep my candy intake low and keep brushing my teeth every day, and when you're relegated to sucking your pre-blended Republican lies through a straw because you lost all your teeth, I will continue to chew on the actual relevant facts. Yes, numbers can be re-arranged, which is exactly what the oil and gas industry, who obviously have a vested interest in the outcome of the climate debate, have been doing. They've been paying both parties to keep the lies coming, to keep you buying the candy that's rotting your teeth and of course they employ the lone dentist saying "It's all good! Candy doesn't really rot your teeth at all! It's those windmills and solar energy that rot your teeth and maybe even cause cancer! Yeah, that's it!".

All for more Tax Payer funded salaries.

That's hilarious. Oil and Gas companies have spent over $2 BILLION on lobbying and their own "studies" to counter actual low paid civil servant scientists who have no other financial gain than their standard $87k a year. I make more than that in insurance, do you believe I'm cheating and lying to keep my job? Do you really believe thousands of climate scientists are lying to get their $87k a year jobs? Do you believe that if they reported what you believe to be the "factual" data that they would lose their jobs? Are their jobs dependent on rapid climate change? OF COURSE NOT! ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THAT IS A FUCKING MORON! They would get paid regardless of the data they reported because they aren't being paid by some commercial industry whose profits rely on the data coming to a predetermined conclusion, they are government scientists who would actually make 10 times more if they defected to the oil and gas side of the debate! So they are ACTUALLY taking a HUGE PAY CUT by reporting the facts the data represents.

Even though climate scientists who stand their ground and report the facts make 10 times less than those who sold out to oil and gas companies, they still, daily, try to give to those less fortunate than themselves, even to those who attack and defame them for no apparent reason, a clue. If only the partisans, oil and gas employees, half wits and morons who continue to refute the facts right in front of their face would just accept it, take it and finally get that clue and accept the facts, we'd all have a much better chance at curbing the dramatic effects rapid climate change will have on us all.

https://www.indeed.com/salaries/Climate-Scientist-Salaries

http://priceofoil.org/2018/07/20/fossil-fuel-industry-has-spent-nearly-2-billion-on-lobbying-to-kill-climate-laws/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/politics/climate-report-fact-check.html

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
12  Dismayed Patriot    2 months ago

There is an interesting phenomenon with Christmas that I wonder if it would be the same regardless of the religious holiday. The phenomenon is that many non-believers or casual believers or even those of other faiths, will at least participate in many of the traditions surrounding Christmas. Even Buzz was saying that his family kept some Christmas traditions " all to make our kids not stand out in our community as being different".

It seems that Christians welcome anyone to come and celebrate their holiday with them, regardless of whether they believe in Christ. I hear many folk saying they grew up with these traditions and even though they aren't devout Christians, don't go to Church and don't consider themselves religious, they love to celebrate Christmas.

I just wonder whether those of other faiths would feel the same about their holiday if random non-believers started practicing their traditions but left their religion completely out of it. Would those of the Jewish faith welcome everyone to come and light the menorah and celebrate the 8 days of Hanukkah even though they don't believe in any of the religious story, they just like the fun of 8 days of gifts? Would the Jewish people be overjoyed to see those of every faith celebrating their sacred holiday without the prayers and religious traditions that make it sacred to them? Would they consider it a "war on Hanukkah" if, because it had become a generic celebration for everyone, if people were saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Happy Hanukkah"? I rather doubt it.

The true "war on Christmas" was the commercialization of a religious holy day that previously had none of the trappings it demands today. F.W. Woolworth bought $25 worth of hand blown glass ornaments in 1885 to sell in his stores – all of which sold within two days. Fast forward to ten years later and more than 200,000 glass ornaments made from more than 6,000 recorded designs, each by individual families, were being imported into the US. The commercialization of Christmas had truly begun. Coca Cola got in on the act by turning Sinterklass into the jolly fat man in the red suit so many kids have now been fooled into believing in. Coca Cola ads featuring Santa Claus first began in 1920 in the Saturday Evening Post. By 1931, Santa was making appearances in Coca Cola ads in popular magazines, but a more wholesome Santa was desired. It was then that Coca Cola commissioned an illustrator by the name of Haddon Sundblom.

Another example of genius marketing, Rudolph the red nosed reindeer was born at Montgomery Ward from a massive marketing campaign in 1939 in a book written by a company advertising a copywriter by the name of Robert L. May. The purpose? To drum up newspaper coverage. And the now infamous "black Friday" was started all the way back in the 1960's and now we can add "cyber Monday" to the ongoing commercialization of a religious holy day.

https://smallbiztrends.com/2015/12/christmas-become-commercialized.html

Claiming that those who say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" are engaged in a "war on Christmas" while standing in a line at Walmart to get your kids the "hit" toys of the season or other goods at discounted prices is the very definition of hypocrisy.

 
 
 
Krishna
12.1  Krishna  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12    2 months ago

I just wonder whether those of other faiths would feel the same about their holiday if random non-believers started practicing their traditions but left their religion completely out of it. Would those of the Jewish faith welcome everyone to come and light the menorah and celebrate the 8 days of Hanukkah even though they don't believe in any of the religious story, they just like the fun of 8 days of gifts?

Yes they would. 

I have Jewish friends, and they often invite their non-Jewish friends to celebrate Hanukkah with them. (There seem to be 2 holidays they often do this for-- Hannukah and Passover). Although in every religion various people have different traditions, for these 2 holidays some Jews invite others to celebrate with them.

And while there is some "Thanking of God", ironically both of these 2 holidays are not particularly solemn religious holidays.They are more national holidays of the Jewish People.

Also Hannukah is not one of the most important holidays. (Apparently some people get that impression probably because it happens about the same time as Christmas, which of course is an important Christian holiday)

Would the Jewish people be overjoyed to see those of every faith celebrating their sacred holiday without the prayers and religious traditions that make it sacred to them?

I could be wrong,. but I don't think most Jews consider Hannukah to be as seriously "sacred" as some other holidays.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
12.2  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12    2 months ago

and now the anti Christmas warriors are extending their campaign another month to say happy “holidays “ to replace Americas day of Thanksgiving.  

 
 
 
Krishna
12.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @12.2    2 months ago
and now the anti Christmas warriors are extending their campaign another month to say happy “holidays “ to replace Americas day of Thanksgiving.

Oh-- the horror of it all!

What's next? One can only wonder how far this sacrilege, these crimes against humanity, will go.

I can only imagine what these evil people will pick for their next target . . . 

Will they actually have the cojones to attack other most sacred holidays? Groundhog Day? Teacher Recognition Day? Confederate Memorial Day? Perhaps they will start a "War on Arbor Day"? Mardi Gras? Octoberfest? Diwali? Eid? Cinco de Mayo? Leif Erikson Day?

A War on '420'". 

"International Talk Like a Pirate day?"

Mole Day??? (its not what you think!)

Superbowl Sunday?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
12.2.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Krishna @12.2.1    2 months ago

I am sure that there is at least one someone here on NT that will likely be first to lead the revolt on any one of them. ?   ??

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
13  sandy-2021492    2 months ago

Some people won't even let folks sing songs for Hanukkah.  It's all about Christmas music for them jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Krishna
13.1  Krishna  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13    2 months ago

That's a great group! (I discovered the a few years ago on Youtube but never went to one of their live concerts). Fantastic harmonizing. And they often inject some comedy into their act. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
13.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Krishna @13.1    2 months ago

They performed near here a few years ago, but I didn't find out about it until it was too late to arrange to go.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
14  sandy-2021492    2 months ago

If you're offended by someone wishing you a happy holiday, you just might be a snowflake.

If you insist on your own religious holiday being recognized, and resent recognition of others, you might be a bigot.

Getting offended that some folks celebrate Hanukkah, and that others wish to be inclusive of that, strikes me as antisemitic.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
14.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  sandy-2021492 @14    2 months ago

We resent being told happy holidays after stating a preference for Merry Christmas.  We resent not having the option of Merry Christmas at some outlets.  The rest is ridiculous sweeping generalizations based on personal animosity toward Christianity and Christmas.  No one I know has any objection at all to Hanukkah 🕎 and its celebration during its time.  If I know one to be Jewish I’d say happy Hanukkah to them not happy holidays.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
14.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @14.1    2 months ago
We resent being told happy holidays after stating a preference for Merry Christmas.

I'm sure that would garner a...shall we say (and well deserved), less than polite retort from someone who wished you a happy holiday with good intentions.

 We resent not having the option of Merry Christmas at some outlets.

You're free to say whatever you want. 

The rest is ridiculous sweeping generalizations based on personal animosity toward Christianity and Christmas. 

No one I know has any objection at all to Hanukkah 🕎 and its celebration during its time.

No has any objections to Xmas either. But certain Christians get all butt hurt if they hear "happy holidays" rather than "merry Xmas." Go figure.

 
 
 
katrix
14.1.2  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @14.1    2 months ago
We resent being told happy holidays after stating a preference for Merry Christmas

You seem to resent an awful lot of things. I don't understand why you get so triggered by someone wishing you Happy Holidays, but I guess it's all related to the Christian Dominionist sites you constantly seed from.

And yet you probably resent people who have a preference for "they" as a pronoun.

Why should someone who isn't Christian wish you a Merry Christmas? Why should outlets use Merry Christmas when a good deal of their customers don't celebrate Christmas? Why are you so against inclusion?

Do you say "Ramadan Mubarak" to Muslim people during Ramadan?

 
 
 
Dignitatem Societatis
14.2  Dignitatem Societatis  replied to  sandy-2021492 @14    2 months ago

How could this post possibly have qualified for removal as having no value? It was perfectly relevant, and had much, much more value than the seeded article and it's phony manufactured crisis does.

I move that the removal be removed.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
14.2.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Dignitatem Societatis @14.2    2 months ago

Thanks, Dig.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
14.2.2  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Dignitatem Societatis @14.2    2 months ago

It deserved to be stricken as it was for the broad secular progressive sweeping generalizations directed at believers and challenging that we are bigots for holding the beliefs we hold.  But hey, it wasn’t a big surprise considering we evangelical Christians have open season declared on us 24/7/365.

 
 
 
Gordy327
14.2.3  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @14.2.2    2 months ago
 But hey, it wasn’t a big surprise considering we evangelical Christians have open season declared on us 24/7/365.

Not surprising you also have a 24/7/365 persecution complex too.

 
 
 
Dignitatem Societatis
14.2.4  Dignitatem Societatis  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @14.2.2    2 months ago
It deserved to be stricken as it was for the broad secular progressive sweeping generalizations directed at believers 

Well, now that it's viewable again, feel free to point out ANY generalizations, let alone "broad sweeping" ones.

and challenging that we are bigots for holding the beliefs we hold.

Some kind of Freudian slip there? Did her second if-then observation hit a bit too close to home?

It wasn't a direct accusation, you know. If you took it as such, then perhaps a little introspection might be in order on your part.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
15  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1    2 months ago

And now Hollywood is going all in on the war against Christmas.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
15.1  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @15    2 months ago

Wow, you're really doubling down on the paranoid nonsense. How many Xmas movies has Hollywood put out over the years? So the idea of Hollywood going to "war" on Xmas is ludicrous to say the least.

And everyone knows the greatest Xmas movie of all time is the original Die Hard.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
15.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @15    2 months ago

Clearly, you haven't seen the ridiculous number of sappy Christmas movies from the Hallmark Channel.

Of course, they're all arguably the same movie, with the same plot, same setting, and often the same actors.

But still.

 
 
 
MUVA
15.2.1  MUVA  replied to  sandy-2021492 @15.2    2 months ago

How many princesses and prince’s could there be in New York for the holidays.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
15.2.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @15.2.1    2 months ago

As many tiny towns that teach the hard-working corporate slave heroine the true meaning of Christmas, apparently.

 
 
 
MUVA
15.2.3  MUVA  replied to  sandy-2021492 @15.2.2    2 months ago

My friend is sick I went to see him the other day he was watching Hallmark channel we watched 4 movies till I pulled the plug.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
15.2.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @15.2.3    2 months ago

I'm sorry he's sick.

A guy I graduated high school with works in home health, and he said those movies really seem to lift one client's spirits, so he watches along with her.

So, definitely not my thing, but whatever makes some folks' holidays brighter...

 
 
 
MUVA
15.2.5  MUVA  replied to  sandy-2021492 @15.2.4    2 months ago

He has been battling a heart problem had a stent put in but also has lung cancer he watches movies and bay watch I really only watch gold rush and football matches so I’m getting educated in the hallmark channel.Sandy have a great holiday.

 
 
 
katrix
15.2.6  katrix  replied to  MUVA @15.2.3    2 months ago

4 Hallmark movies in a row - you're a good friend. Those drive me nuts.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
15.2.7  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @15.2.5    2 months ago

You, too MUVA.   Sounds like you're pretty good friend.

 
 
 
charger 383
16  charger 383    2 months ago

Christmas has become more of a general holiday and less of a religious holiday, so the greeting Merry Christmas has become more of a general or seasonal greeting.  

I am not religious and I use it.  To me it means have a good time and enjoy yourself in late December 

 
 
 
Dignitatem Societatis
17  Dignitatem Societatis    2 months ago

This non-religious lefty celebrates Christmas every year.

Lights, tree, Santa, elves, reindeer, presents, stockings, cookies, eggnog, fuzzy warm vibes, the whole shebang -- with no religious overtones at all.

The only thing I dislike about it sometimes is the hassle of trying to find useful, meaningful gifts for family members who never really want or need anything that they don't already have. That can be a chore. Thank goodness for cheese logs, assorted chocolates, and scratcher lottery tickets. :P

P.S. Dennis Prager is a moron.

 
 
 
charger 383
17.1  charger 383  replied to  Dignitatem Societatis @17    2 months ago

Hickory Farms beef sticks, calendars and the ABC store are my Christmas go to places 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
17.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Dignitatem Societatis @17    2 months ago

Same.  I'm at my parents' for Christmas right now.  We have a big dinner, gifts for the kids, cookies, and yours truly is the one who brings along all of the Christmas CDs (even ones with religious songs).

We've cut back on the gift-giving, and decided to focus more on spending time together as a family.  I imagine Jesus would approve.

 
 
 
katrix
17.2.1  katrix  replied to  sandy-2021492 @17.2    2 months ago

My favorite Christmas songs tend to be the religious ones - mostly because of the classical music and the harmonies, I suppose. Although I do listen to a lot of Transiberian Orchestra. That, Nutcracker Suite, and Arthur Fieldler and the Boston Pops are my favorites. I always break out some wine and Christmas music when I'm decorating my tree and wrapping presents.

I'm finally getting around to decorating my mom's big tree today; the past few years we've just had a 4 foot tree for her, but this year we put that up on her table and she said she still wanted a bigger tree. I put it up last week but didn't have a chance to find the family ornaments in my basement and bring them over.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
17.2.2  r.t..b...  replied to  sandy-2021492 @17.2    2 months ago
more on spending time together as a family.

The greatest gift of all. Everything else pales in comparison. Enjoy your precious time spent with those which give us hope for the the future. Teach our children well.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
17.2.3  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  sandy-2021492 @17.2    2 months ago

I think He would.  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
17.2.4  Raven Wing  replied to  r.t..b... @17.2.2    2 months ago
The greatest gift of all. Everything else pales in comparison.

Indeed. As the last one of my own family to still be living, it is a time of many memories of Christmas' past. As I still have those, they give me great comfort and joy. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
17.3  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Dignitatem Societatis @17    2 months ago

Dennis Prager is s great American.  

 
 
 
Dignitatem Societatis
17.3.1  Dignitatem Societatis  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @17.3    2 months ago

Here's a much more accurate description :

Dennis Prager is a neoconservative radio host, professional tone troll, and conspiracy theorist who believes that the United States is a Christian nation, and that it's under attack from "secular leftists" who control the media, universities, public education system, and other institutions. Despite being a fairly extreme conservative, to the point of being a weekly WND columnist, he does moderate on certain issues such as abortion and, to his credit, he does seem to know quite a bit about religion and aspects of United States history. Unfortunately, for every reasonable position he has he seems to say at least ten things that are either blatant lies or mind-fuckingly bizarre. He is also notable for having one of the worst cases of psychological projection ever, even by wingnut standards and for possibly being a worse offender of Jonanism than Jonah Goldberg himself. He is well known for his opposition to "the left" allowing their "feelings" to get in the way of policy, but when policy hurts his "feelings" he loses his freakin' mind. Hmm…

(boldface mine)

Like almost every creationist talking head out there, he intentionally misleads and misrepresents reality on a regular basis.

Here are a couple of informative videos (not to mention educational) about how his "PragerU" YouTube channel propagates and perpetuates scientific illiteracy. Please, for the love of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, watch them.

 
 
 
Kathleen
18  Kathleen    2 months ago

Merry Christmas everyone. 

 
 
 
StinkWeedPete
19  StinkWeedPete    2 months ago

nOt sure if i should be offerin' my pinion since i am new here but i'll just <cough> giver a shot. 

hāligdæg is an old timey English word that means, "holy day", or "Holiday". Seems to me that, "happy holy days" would be the same as merry Christmas. 

as'ta war on christmas. I did some searchin' and discovered dat the only law ever passed in opposintin'ta "Christmas", was passed in 1659. I'll post it below.

We would be remiss not to point out that the one and only time Christmas was actually banned on what would later become U.S. soil, it was by Christians.

In 1659, the Puritan lawmakers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony followed the example of their brethren in England by issuing an   edict   outlawing the observance of Christmas (and other “superstitious” holidays):

For preventing disorders arising in several places within this jurisdiction, by reason of some still observing such festivals as were superstitiously kept in other countries, to the great dishonor of God and offence of others, it is therefore ordered by this Court and the authority thereof, that whosoever shall be found observing any such day as Christmas or the like, either by forbearing of labor, feasting, or any other way, upon such accountants as aforesaid, every person so offending shall pay of every such offence five shillings, as a fine to the county.

Why? Because, as befitted their name, the Puritans found feasting, wassailing, gift giving, and wishing one another a merry Christmas ungodly and sinful (we suspect not even the secularized greeting “Happy holidays” would have been acceptable to this lot).

Despite a 22-year ban on celebrating it (the law was repealed in 1681), Christmas survived unscathed to eventually become the most   popular   (not to mention durable) holiday celebrated in America.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/11/29/the-war-on-christmas/

 
 
 
Ender
19.1  Ender  replied to  StinkWeedPete @19    2 months ago

384

 
 
 
Raven Wing
19.2  Raven Wing  replied to  StinkWeedPete @19    2 months ago

Welcome to NT StinkWeed Pete. We are always happy to welcome new comers. I appreciate your comment on Christmas and related information.  Thank you! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
19.3  Krishna  replied to  StinkWeedPete @19    2 months ago
Why? Because, as befitted their name, the Puritans found feasting, wassailing, gift giving, and wishing one another a merry Christmas ungodly and sinful (we suspect not even the secularized greeting “Happy holidays” would have been acceptable to this lot).

I wouldn't be surprised if the Puritans found being "Happy" to be sacriligeous!

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
20  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1    2 months ago

  Without Chanukah, the Celebration of Christmas Would Not Be Possible

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Source: AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner

Beginning with their enslavement in Egypt, when Pharaoh ordered Hebrew midwives to murder all newborn Jewish males, throughout Israel's captivity under the Babylonians and the Assyrians, to the Holocaust, Israel has been targeted for destruction.

But long ago God promised the prophet Jeremiah that Israel would cease to be a nation only when the sun, the moon and the stars had stopped shining. “‘Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,’ declared the Lord, ‘will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me.’”

The feast of Chanukah—the word means ‘dedication’ in Hebrew—commemorates an event in Israel’s history when God miraculously intervened to save his people from destruction at the hands of a genocidal maniac.

Around 333 B.C., Alexander the Great commenced with his victorious progress through the ancient world of the Eastern Mediterranean. After conquering the Persian Empire, Hellenism spread throughout the old world of Asia. The Jews living in Palestine quickly found themselves surrounded by Grecian culture.

When Alexander died, he had no son to whom he could bequeath his kingdom. His empire was divided into four parts. But by 175 B.C. it again fell into the hands of one man, Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

Antiochus was the Adolf Hitler of the inter-testament period—the years which intervened in between the events of the Old and New Testaments.

Like Hitler, he was obsessed with exterminating the Jewish race. 

He began with the slaughter of the inhabitants of Jerusalem and the desecration of the Temple. Alfred Edersheim explains what happened in  his book , “The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah:”

“All sacrifices, the service of the Temple, and the observance of the Sabbath and of feast days were prohibited; the Temple at Jerusalem was dedicated to Jupiter Olympus; the Holy Scriptures were searched for and destroyed; the Jews forced to take part in heathen rites; a small heathen altar was reared on the great altar of burnt offering—in short, every insult was heaped on the religion of the Jews, and its every trace was to be swept away.”

The “final profanation” of the Temple was the slaughter of a pig on the sacrificial altar. This occurred on the 25th Kislev, the month that generally corresponds to our December.

It is important to understand that the Jewish Temple was more than just the place where Jews worshipped. It was also the center of their culture. It is no stretch to say that all of Jewish life emanated from the Temple in Jerusalem.

A deliverer rose up named Mattathias. Although greatly outnumbered and overpowered, the Jews began a campaign of guerilla warfare against Antiochus and his Syrian armies.

Erdersheim explains, “Mattathias died before it came to any actual engagement with the Syrians. But victory after victory attended the arms of his son, Judas the Macabee, till at last the Temple could be purified and its services restored exactly three years after its desecration on 25 Kislev, 165 B.C.”

When the Jews re-entered the city of Jerusalem and the Temple, there was only enough of the special oil to light the menorah and keep it burning for one day. But the oil miraculously burned for eight days while more was being prepared.

Thus began the first Chanukah, the Feast of Dedication, also known as the Festival of Lights. Jehovah had once again demonstrated his steadfast love and faithfulness to his people.

The events leading up to the attempt by Antiochus to destroy the Jewish Nation, including the profanation of the Temple, were prophesied in vivid detail in the Old Testament book of Daniel. In the New Testament, the Feast of Dedication is mentioned explicitly in John’s Gospel and was celebrated by Jesus and his followers.

In contrast, The Bible never refers to Christmas explicitly or its celebration—the word Christmas does not appear in the Bible nor was it celebrated until more than 300 years after the death of Christ.

Christians would do well to remember the faithfulness of God to the Jews on that first Chanukah. Had Antiochus successfully waged a war of genocide against the Nation of Israel, there would have been no Jewish woman named Mary to become the mother of Jesus Christ.

As you wish friends and family Merry Christmas this year, you might also like to wish them Chanukah Sameach. Without Chanukah, the Celebration of Christmas would not be possible. 

Gregory J. Rummo is a Visiting Instructor of Chemistry at Palm Beach Atlantic University and a Contributing Writer for The Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation. The views expressed in his columns are his own.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
20.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @20    2 months ago

An interesting historical bit of info about Hanukkah.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
20.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @20.1    2 months ago

Thank you for posting it.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
20.1.2  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @20.1.1    2 months ago

You’re welcome.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
20.1.3  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @20.1.1    2 months ago

I’m glad that you liked it. According to some, I’m supposedly not inclusive.  

 
 
 
Veronica
22  Veronica    2 months ago

I love Christmas.  I am a Pagan that celebrates Yule on the winter's solstice and then celebrate Christmas on December 25th.  I just like to cook big meals for my family, drink lots of wine & have a good time.  My daughter is a practicing Catholic, attends Mass & she is very LEFT.  So guess the title is wrong.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
23  The Magic Eight Ball    2 months ago
One proof of the left's desire to undermine specifically American national holidays is its war on the two remaining specifically American holidays:
which is straight out of the communist playbook.
attack/disrupt the culture first.
 
 
 
katrix
23.1  katrix  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @23    2 months ago
attack/disrupt the culture first.

So you're calling HA a communist for constantly attacking non-Christian cultures?

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
23.1.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  katrix @23.1    2 months ago

No he’s not.  He’s saying that about those who would disrupt our unique exceptional American culture and values.  

 
 
 
katrix
23.1.2  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @23.1.1    2 months ago
He’s saying that about those who would disrupt our unique exceptional American culture and values

Which would be the easily triggered, overzealous Christians who don't give a crap about our Constitution and who (due to an irrational persecution complex) want to make Christianity a national religion, trampling on the rights of those who are not Christians, and constantly attacking the cultures people who aren't Christian fundies.

Our unique exceptional American culture and values are not fanatically religious.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
23.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @23.1.1    2 months ago
He’s saying that about those who would disrupt our unique exceptional American culture and values

American "culture" is that of welcoming the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse, the homeless, the tempest-tost, regardless of what faith, race, nationality, culture, skin color or gender.

What "culture" is it that you believe is being disrupted?

Most of the "left", liberals and progressives, profess to be Christians and happily celebrate Christmas, though most also honor and respect other Americans religious holidays as well, because that's true American culture and values.

And the fact is, Christmas wasn't even a national holiday until 1870 which was nearly a hundred years after our founding. So trying to claim anyone is attacking or disrupting "specifically American holidays" is just plain ignorant. Besides, more than 160 countries celebrate Christmas. A few countries refer to the holiday as Family Day, including Angola and Uruguay. Some countries--like Jordan and Pakistan--designate December 25th as an official holiday only for Christians. How and why would Christmas be "specifically American" again? I don't see it, but that's perhaps because my head isn't stuck in the sand like those making such sad and uninformed claims.

 
 
 
Gordy327
23.1.4  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @23.1.1    2 months ago

By all means, specify precisely what those cultures and values are! Then explain precisely how it's being disrupted! This should be good.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
23.1.5  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  katrix @23.1.2    2 months ago

Our unique American exceptional culture and values are not fanatically Religious but in fact religion is foundational in our culture, our foundation, and values.  Fanatics would be those who say religion had and has no place in any of it. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
23.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @23.1.5    2 months ago

Which religion, then, in your view, should be the foundation moving forward?   I presume you would say Christianity and, in fact, your particular denomination of same.   Why should we not also adopt Islamic views?   Why not mandate women wear extremely conservative clothing, not leave the home unless accompanied by a male family member, etc.?   (I left out far uglier factors.)

If religion is to serve as the guiding light for our society, how do you determine which specific religious rules and traditions are the chosen guiding light?

 
 
 
Gordy327
23.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @23.1.5    2 months ago
but in fact religion is foundational in our culture, our foundation, and values.

Maybe to you. Certainly not to me,.

 Fanatics would be those who say religion had and has no place in any of it. 

Not in our government or laws. But that's just Constitutional.

Still waiting for you to answer the challenge: specify precisely what those cultures and values are! Then explain precisely how it's being disrupted!

 
 
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