I am just doing my duty as a good member, informing my fellow members...
Some people would call that "stirring the pot", calling it "inflammatory" and judging it to be a bad thing. But others might call it raising an important issue in order to stimulate discussion and hopefully uncover some not widely known truths.
Peoples' discussion styles, as well as motives, vary. So I was wondering Bob-- are you by any chance an ENTP type personality?
ENTP PERSONALITY (“THE DEBATER”)
Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of ’crack-pot’ than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost.
--Thomas J. Watson
The ENTP personality type is the ultimate devil’s advocate, thriving on the process of shredding arguments and beliefs and letting the ribbons drift in the wind for all to see. Unlike their more determined Judging (J) counterparts, ENTPs don’t do this because they are trying to achieve some deeper purpose or strategic goal, but for the simple reason that it’s fun. No one loves the process of mental sparring more than ENTPs, as it gives them a chance to exercise their effortlessly quick wit, broad accumulated knowledge base, and capacity for connecting disparate ideas to prove their points.
(Cont'd from previous comment) . . . here's an important aspect of the ENTP personality:
ENTPs’ capacity for debate can be a vexing one – while often appreciated when it’s called for, it can fall painfully flat when they step on others’ toes by say, openly questioning their boss in a meeting, or picking apart everything their significant other says. This is further complicated by ENTPs’ unyielding honesty, as this type doesn’t mince words and cares little about being seen as sensitive or compassionate .
Among other useful things about understanding this is that there is the potential for a deeper understanding why people behave the way they do..
You can read about the theory behind the MBTI ("Myers-Briggs Type Indicator") HERE.
The ENTP-type is one of the 16 personality types in the MBTI (The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) system of personality theory. If anyone is interested, they can read more specifically about the ENTP type HERE.
Well, that and a bizarre obsession with pushing a particular political agenda...
Just wait to all those traditionally Democratic voters who are blue collar workers & who recently voted for Trump find out he isn't going to do what he promised them he would do...
If you get a chance, check it out. Its not perfect of course, But I have found it did provide me with some interesting insights into myself.
And I am looking to see if it provides some insights as to why people behave they way they do here. (Not a judgement but a description and an explanation).
But this is a derail-- so that's enough (for now).
I am always late to the party... never got the chance to read the 'seed' you planted! Nifty source though ..
What is it going to take to stop the bait clicking articles/opinion based la lawritten as fact and get back to discussion about real issues? (not directed specifically at you Bob) just a curious mind! : )
The only thoughts I have regarding the simplification of the CoC - is that it leaves far too much room for interpretation... Would it not then require the interpretation and consensus of what polite and constructive are?
Obviously success or failure would depend on the Mods.
Hmmmm, as I see it ... the mods are already quite often running an adult daycare/preschool - stepping in during the school yard brawls and handing out time outs to those that have gone the furthest over the edge (regarding taunts/attacks/mud slinging/insulting etc rhetoric?) ....
Would not the simplification make mods not only daycare attendants, but also the teachers that are grading content to determine if one is being constructive?
IMHO, the CoC is squaring a circle. Trying to cover everything. That's impossible, so there's "interpretation". And we have a whole army of specialists in "skirting the CoC".. which is a violation of the CoC...
Kinda circular.
It would be simpler to formally give full responsibility to the Mods.
Just had the chance to read the complete thread Bob, and you have a talent - (as Krishna points out) a personality trait/type that is combative and seemingly ticks people off rather quickly (not direct words from Krishna - more like my interpretation).... The scary part is that through asking questions, I sort ofget you .. thus realizing you have goal when it comes to NT's future ... which [for now] seemingly has become a free for all (that more than a few blame on/ believe is newbs) ... that you are now mocking by seeding incendiary information (?)
LOL I am here, and there is NO written material to even read - it was already deleted when I showed up!!!
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Gotta think for oneself and outside the box when there is nothing to cut and paste!
Life is rather circular, is it not - human nature is somewhat predictable .. one only need supply the bait? There will always be those that usurp authority and find a way to get past the rules .... lawyers, politicians (?) are probably the best example ... even the Constitution is usurped / skirted, is it not?
There will always be those that usurp authority and find a way to get past the rules.... lawyers, politicians (?) are probably the best example ... even the Constitution is usurped / skirted, is it not?
Yes.
And ultimately the decisions are made by courts. The law cannot contain every imaginable case.
Ooo absolutely mag ... I am in NO way questioning Perrie, her authority nor her site - just having a discussion / asking questions of Bob and reading his opinion on a subject of choice, as there is NO real topic to be discussed.
It sems to me that the Mods already have full authority
Agreed, yet it is a bit disheartening the way in which the mods are challenged over their decisions (even with a CoC). Those that slip and slide around the rules [seemingly] become offended for being called out - it is not as if they do not know what their violation of the CoC is - otherwise they would not try to get around it!
Be polite
Be constructive
Are far too subjective (actually they are so simple, but nearly impossible to achieve when one is trying to make sure that their point of view is heard, cuz they are so sure that their opinion is the right one) ...
yes, the mods have full authority and are the only ones to bring the hammer down .. but I think there has to be a guideline to point at, and stand behind. (however does not have to be convoluted)
I admin'd a nation on NV that had very few rules and it work'd well. However that was a nation of say 30 people that posted regularly and was news article linked for the most part, not a place where articles were seeded.
There may only be 30 + people posting here on NT at one time .... yet there are multiple articles seeded - I do not see how to avoid having to have the 10 commandments in place.
I babbled, did not mean to write a book of broken up thoughts...... : ) you'll get use to it!
You've summed up the two major options pretty well.
It seems to me that the current option -- lots of detail in the rules -- doesn't work. Nice people are nice and trolls are trolls, and the rules have little role. Trolls push the limits of the rules, and when an ugly precedent is permitted by the Mods, they immediately push a little further.
I don't see how the option "minimal rules" could do worse.
Trolls push the limits of the rules, and when an ugly precedent is permitted by the Mods, they immediately push a little further.
In addition. I think trolls begin to increase in numbers .. He got away with it .. mentality. Which is where the mods get their most challenges from if I am wrong, then so is he - look at what he did! (or she). Resulting in an attempt to start a never ending circular childish battle. As an admin, I quit giving the polite "your comment has been removed because [insert reason]" and just deleted the comment when it was regulars doing the violating. NO explanation given - just POOF!
I don't see how the option "minimal rules" could do worse.
Agreed .. the rules are the rules.... pretty much end of story...
Second the rest of you... here is why stats are BS. You can prove almost anything you like with stats.
Yes people who are poor get VD more often because they are ill informed and when they do seek out medical advice, they do it at public health centers where it is reported. Most people with means can go to their private doctor and get treated without being reported.
And for one last statistic.. here is the rate of death from Cancer by race:
So tell me, what are blacks doing to get cancer more? And I guess Asians, American Indians and Pacific Islanders must be better people than whites. This should be interesting.
It’s in their diets and alcohol consumption and amount of exercise. Blacks also smoke at a higher percentage than whites. Genetics can also be a factor. Belly fat and obesity are also contributing factors.
You want to go for lifestyle, please explain, Asians, American Indians, Pacific Islanders and even Hispanics dying less from cancer than whites or blacks.
You day smoking? Your stats are not holding up. Read here:
Seems that Indians smoke the most and have the lowest rate of cancer. Try again.
There are a lot of factors to all of these statistics. That is why I am bothering to go into this. People feel that stats alone address an issue, when in reality they provide some information, but usually there is deeper information to look into, to find out the reason why.
First Perrie, I am not trolling you. Not you personally.
I can'tbe trolling anyone, because that would be against the CoC.
What is not against the CoC is posting heinous half-truths, like:
people who are poor get diseases more often because they are ill informed and when they do seek out medical advice, they do it at public health centers.
Typical libtard excuse for low-life behavior by "those people"!
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That kind of response is ordinary on NT. Members even post lists of slanderous lies.
You think you've debunked the data in the seed with your own data? Not a problem, I just cr@p on your data with a beside-the-point insult (not directly to you, of course, because that would be against the CoC) and then I repeat my heinous half-truth.
I already gave you the data on venereal disease, which is the topic at hand. Which is symptomatic of low moral behavior. Your cancer data is irrelevant.
I said "libtard"... which is used a zillion times a day on NT.
That shows a real lack of maturity. If want to engage in a real debate/discussion, using childish names isn't going to get you very far. Just a thought.
I'm in school for my Medical Admin degree, and the last class I took was a legal and ethical class. It did say that anything transmittable must be reported ie: STDs, Polio, Measles, Mumps, TB etc.... I could be wrong, but it never specified if it was at a health department or a private doctors office. I think they still have a duty to report no matter where. Again, I could be wrong.
It is a state by state mandate on VD. For instance, in NY only Syphilis and AIDs must be reported. But you can always find a doc who will hide that for you. And in any case, these disease have a lot to do with socio economics.
Also, that would explain why, when hubs and I had to get a blood test before marriage, they only tested for syphilis. Crazy they never tested for HIV or AIDS......it is Ga after all LOL
And it is called " Genetic propensity " Peoples Gut Biota has a preference to where and what they are genetically asymmetric ( Born ) those Genes might try to compensate, when in different locales, but they have to battle constantly , Now look up Telomere, and then compare what Telomerase does, so in effect we ALL have " Cancer " it is just that out Immune system is in a stage that can keep it under control, but it is s fine balance!
Bob my question is why are you posting from American Renaissance, your well aware of what type of site it is. In fact this article should be taken down due to the source.
If your trying to inflame or make NT look like a funny farm your doing a good job.
Yes there is racism, but the whole damn world isn't racist.
I need to understand why you took down thisarticle.
You say "known hate site". OK. How is it "known"? Who "knows"? As always, my most fervent desire is to improve NT... and I mean that sincerely. It would be a shame if articles could be taken down according to criteria that are in fact not "known".
American Renaissance is a white supremacist site. If you can find a supremacist site from some other ethnicity that might be seeded on NT, then you might have a point. That is not part of the equation here though. There is no "pendulum" in this case.
I didn't say anything wrong, what do you mean "Now what?" Is that like the middle school kid bumping chests before a fight saying "now what????" Seriously..... how are you going to site something from a site that is a hate site and then seed it to incite? WTH?????
In theory, blatant lies are forbidden by the CoC. They're told all the time, with impunity... except when she decides to do something.
Also, calling someone a liar is forbidden by the CoC. You were a liar when you said "you say all sites you don't agree with are 'hate sites' ". Calling someone a liar is a strict no-no, even when that someone's lies are right there on the screen.
Logically, Perrie should do something. What she might do is anyone's guess.
Pieces of shit are seeded every day. One member seed three of them every day.
I wanted to understand why this particular piece of shit was deleted when so many are allowed. The immediate explanation was... shall we say... succinct. So I asked for further explanations.
All told, I think the operation was successful, if needlessly long.
I looks to me that this article was posted with the intent to find a way to attack Perrie on a personal level. He is deliberately trying to put her in a corner for his own personal agenda. And to do that he is making NT look like a hate site itself with this kind of hate filled dialog.
It is only my own opinion, but, from the looks of it he is seeking revenge for some slights he thinks she has committed against him. However, he is only making himself look the fool.
I looks to me that this article was posted with the intent to find a way to attack Perrie on a personal level. He is deliberately trying to put her in a corner for his own personal agenda. And to do that he is making NT look like a hate site itself with this kind of hate filled dialog.
No.
But not completely wrong, either.
I am certainly notattacking Perrie on a personal level. I am indeed attacking her management of the quality of conversation on NT. She's where the buck stops, after all.
Yes, I am trying to put her in front of the contradictions that her present "rules" generate. Until she realizes that NT is indeed, already, "a hate site", she will not take the measures needed to stop the site's slide to RWNJ oblivion. Already, HT is full of racism, camouflaged under various code-words like "Southern heritage". Already, it is perfectly acceptable to post heinous, slanderous lies.
There are more worthless red meat seeds than serious seeds.
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It's "amusing" in a sad way. There are members who seed trash, who say ugly stuff and pointless stuff... and who lie... all day, every day... You know who they are as well as I do. Theirbehavior is accepted... or at least tolerated.
But if I seed a despicable racist piece of garbage... everyone is horrified, and the seed is deleted. I suppose it's a sort of compliment. People expect my stuff to be "quality".
My...how you try to justify your personal hate rant against Perrie. If you so hate NT, as it seems you do, then why not simply leave and find a board that more suits your taste better than NT? No one here is twisting your arm to prevent you from laving. Oh...I forgot, that would not give you the chance to post your hit comments against Perrie for your personal pleasure, nor to stir the crap pile that you know so many here like to wallow in. You know you have a ready and willing audience who are more than happy to pile on and try to drag the site down as much as possible for their own personal agenda, while you take pleasure in pursuing your own agenda.
Your excuse is as lame as your attempt. No one here is buying into to it, just taking advantage of it for their own personal pleasure.
You'er explanation was without merit, merely an attempt on your part to try to justify your actions. We all know how much you dislike NT, you've made it point to complain over and over and over for years. Yet, you still hang around and do nothing but bitch and complain about NT and Perrie. It's old, very old, and yet you can't understand why people don't buy in to it anymore.
NT will not change simply because you want it to, nor will Perrie, or the Members who support this forum and appreciate the hard work and effort Perrie puts into it for us.
In short, it's Perrie's site, if you don't like it, no one will expect a fee at the door when you leave.
You deleted the article because it is from a "known hate site"... but you cannot explain what that means. OK... We both know what really happened. You saw a despicable article, and you took it down. The problem is that, in doing so, you revealed that "the rules" are "whatever you want them to be".
I personally have no problem with that. I've said a thousand times, "It's your site; you do as you please." But you need to stop hiding behind a CoC that you "interpret" six ways from Sunday. Assumeyour role. Say, "I took that article down because it was despicable!"
And then... try to be "fair and balanced". A poster with blatantly false accusations of murder... is despicable.
OMG!!!! you yourself said it was a hate site, or a white supremacist site.... what is your problem? Why seed an article from this site unless it was to create division? Do you get news from this site???, my guess would be no. Do you agree with the article? Why are you so bummed it got removed? You are just trying and trying to cause ruckus around here. Most people are debating and having adult conversations on a lot are articles. I don't comment much, but I read, and READ all the articles. It seems like there are a few that are doing this. I'm sorry you don't appreciate or like the new comers, I came here because I was a member of NV and may have had a total of 20 comments on there in the 2 years, I mainly stay on the sidelines. I don't mean to be ugly but you remind me of the kid in school that always reminded the teacher to give homework (hope that isn't a CoC), or the hall monitor that was always tattling on someone. We are all adults here, most are acting like it, there are quite a few that aren't
If you truly want to understand why I seeded this article, then perhaps you should ask simple questions rather than accusatory questions. The situation is complicated.
It is my opinion the answer is rooted in narcissistic injury and the resulting narcissistic rage. It is complicated but once one gains a thorough understanding of the behavioral disorder it all makes sense.
I didn't do that, it was cut and dry, and I asked you several questions. Be a friggen adult and quit acting like a middle schooler, quit causing a ruckus just so you can get comments or a 'rise' out of people.
See Studies done by the English, Germans and Russians, on skin pigmentation and Viral propensities, and then ask yourself WHY, yes WHY did they do those studies?
And now ask Yourself, do the Worlds Militaries have similar Data, with Pathogens?
This article and the comments following justify my preference for the groups with special interests. Actually, the article was deleted before I turned on my computer this morning so I never saw it but the comments make what it was pretty obvious.
So Bob, why don't you spend some time on your own group, Books?
Well, I think there are at least 5 or 6 NT members who are more interested in literature, creative arts, movies, travel or music rather than politics, religion and viciously attacking anyone whose views are different from theirs.
Politics are important, Buzz, political decisions affect our every day lives. When a person feels very strongly that certain political positions are detrimental to the country at large, they feel compelled to speak out against them, and advocate for things they strongly believe will help.
Of course politics are important, but ad hominem snarkiness is not, nor should politics encompass the whole of one's interest. My greatest respect for others is if they exhibit multiple interests, are "renaissance" persons.
As Hamlet said to Horatio: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
"But now listen to me. No matter how strangely I act (since I may find it appropriate to act a little crazy in the near future), you must never, ever let on—with a gesture of your hands or a certain expression on your face—that you know anything about what happened to me here tonight."
Bob, what is your intent with this article.. and I am asking you this as a member.
I take it as, blacks are irresponsible when it comes to sex?
I am just doing my duty as a good member, informing my fellow members...
Well... actually... I wanted something that would let me post that delicious quote: "It's not racism. It's just statistics..."
It can't be racism, because racism isn't allowed on NT.
But it still makes a good topic for baiting the oppo isn't it!
Oh!
I would never!!
No one on NT ever seeds just to get a reaction. Seeds are always intended to provoke thoughtful conversation.
You're funny, a laugh a minute...
I'm glad you appreciate my efforts.
Not one reply on this thread addressed the most obvious thing about the seeded article.
It comes from a racist, white supremacist website, American Renaissance.
Some Newstalkers think that whites are the real victims of racism. On what basis is that argument made?
Yeah that's why its so easy to never leave here.
Not exactly. It was a piece of shit disgusting article meant solely and intentionally to provoke its own deletion. Which happened.
Read down to the bottom of the page. If you don't understand, ask questions. I'll explain.
Some people would call that "stirring the pot", calling it "inflammatory" and judging it to be a bad thing. But others might call it raising an important issue in order to stimulate discussion and hopefully uncover some not widely known truths.
Peoples' discussion styles, as well as motives, vary. So I was wondering Bob-- are you by any chance an ENTP type personality?
ENTP PERSONALITY (“THE DEBATER”)
(Cont'd from previous comment) . . . here's an important aspect of the ENTP personality:
ENTPs’ capacity for debate can be a vexing one – while often appreciated when it’s called for, it can fall painfully flat when they step on others’ toes by say, openly questioning their boss in a meeting, or picking apart everything their significant other says. This is further complicated by ENTPs’ unyielding honesty, as this type doesn’t mince words and cares little about being seen as sensitive or compassionate .
Among other useful things about understanding this is that there is the potential for a deeper understanding why people behave the way they do..
You can read about the theory behind the MBTI ("Myers-Briggs Type Indicator") HERE.
The ENTP-type is one of the 16 personality types in the MBTI (The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) system of personality theory. If anyone is interested, they can read more specifically about the ENTP type HERE.
Or-- read the bigly scintillating & YUGELY important discussion on this very subject right here on The Newstalkers: "What Personality Type Are You? The MBTI ("Myers Briggs Type Indicator").
[Full disclosure: I am actually an ENTP type myself, so I understand ENTPs fairly well. Although I usually try to control it a bit here on NT :^]
Ignorance.
Well, that and a bizarre obsession with pushing a particular political agenda...
Just wait to all those traditionally Democratic voters who are blue collar workers & who recently voted for Trump find out he isn't going to do what he promised them he would do...
I haven't taken the test.
I know.
If you get a chance, check it out. Its not perfect of course, But I have found it did provide me with some interesting insights into myself.
And I am looking to see if it provides some insights as to why people behave they way they do here. (Not a judgement but a description and an explanation).
But this is a derail-- so that's enough (for now).
I am always late to the party... never got the chance to read the 'seed' you planted! Nifty source though ..
What is it going to take to stop the bait clicking articles/opinion based la la written as fact and get back to discussion about real issues? (not directed specifically at you Bob) just a curious mind! : )
Excellent question! My own suggestion would be a very much simplified CoC:
- Be polite.
- Be constructive.
That's it... Obviously success or failure would depend on the Mods.
The only thoughts I have regarding the simplification of the CoC - is that it leaves far too much room for interpretation... Would it not then require the interpretation and consensus of what polite and constructive are?
Hmmmm, as I see it ... the mods are already quite often running an adult daycare/preschool - stepping in during the school yard brawls and handing out time outs to those that have gone the furthest over the edge (regarding taunts/attacks/mud slinging/insulting etc rhetoric?) ....
Would not the simplification make mods not only daycare attendants, but also the teachers that are grading content to determine if one is being constructive?
IMHO, the CoC is squaring a circle. Trying to cover everything. That's impossible, so there's "interpretation". And we have a whole army of specialists in "skirting the CoC".. which is a violation of the CoC...
Kinda circular.
It would be simpler to formally give full responsibility to the Mods.
Just had the chance to read the complete thread Bob, and you have a talent - (as Krishna points out) a personality trait/type that is combative and seemingly ticks people off rather quickly (not direct words from Krishna - more like my interpretation).... The scary part is that through asking questions, I sort of get you .. thus realizing you have goal when it comes to NT's future ... which [for now] seemingly has become a free for all (that more than a few blame on/ believe is newbs) ... that you are now mocking by seeding incendiary information (?)
LOL I am here, and there is NO written material to even read - it was already deleted when I showed up!!!
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Hey ! How great is NT??
The conversation gets better when the seed has been deleted!
Gotta think for oneself and outside the box when there is nothing to cut and paste!
Life is rather circular, is it not - human nature is somewhat predictable .. one only need supply the bait? There will always be those that usurp authority and find a way to get past the rules .... lawyers, politicians (?) are probably the best example ... even the Constitution is usurped / skirted, is it not?
Yes.
And ultimately the decisions are made by courts. The law cannot contain every imaginable case.
Awww yes, thus giving the mods full responsibility .....!!!
I knew if I asked enough questions.................. I might eventually find the right one - I get it now! I think!
This is Perrie's site and her decision. Doesn't matter if one agrees or not. Therefore, won't even give my opinion.
It sems to me that the Mods already have full authority, but behind a smokescreen called CoC. It would be simpler to call a spade a spade.
Ooo absolutely mag ... I am in NO way questioning Perrie, her authority nor her site - just having a discussion / asking questions of Bob and reading his opinion on a subject of choice, as there is NO real topic to be discussed.
Agreed, yet it is a bit disheartening the way in which the mods are challenged over their decisions (even with a CoC). Those that slip and slide around the rules [seemingly] become offended for being called out - it is not as if they do not know what their violation of the CoC is - otherwise they would not try to get around it!
Be polite
Be constructive
Are far too subjective (actually they are so simple, but nearly impossible to achieve when one is trying to make sure that their point of view is heard, cuz they are so sure that their opinion is the right one) ...
yes, the mods have full authority and are the only ones to bring the hammer down .. but I think there has to be a guideline to point at, and stand behind. (however does not have to be convoluted)
I admin'd a nation on NV that had very few rules and it work'd well. However that was a nation of say 30 people that posted regularly and was news article linked for the most part, not a place where articles were seeded.
There may only be 30 + people posting here on NT at one time .... yet there are multiple articles seeded - I do not see how to avoid having to have the 10 commandments in place.
I babbled, did not mean to write a book of broken up thoughts...... : ) you'll get use to it!
You've summed up the two major options pretty well.
It seems to me that the current option -- lots of detail in the rules -- doesn't work. Nice people are nice and trolls are trolls, and the rules have little role. Trolls push the limits of the rules, and when an ugly precedent is permitted by the Mods, they immediately push a little further.
I don't see how the option "minimal rules" could do worse.
In addition. I think trolls begin to increase in numbers .. He got away with it .. mentality. Which is where the mods get their most challenges from if I am wrong, then so is he - look at what he did! (or she). Resulting in an attempt to start a never ending circular childish battle. As an admin, I quit giving the polite "your comment has been removed because [insert reason]" and just deleted the comment when it was regulars doing the violating. NO explanation given - just POOF!
Agreed .. the rules are the rules.... pretty much end of story...
Morning Bob, thanks for the conversation yesterday - much appreciated!
Not surprising at all. And, gays, just keep the ball rolling. Irresponsible sex!
I think anyone engaging in irresponsible sex keeps the ball rolling.
So statistics are racist now? I'm just trying to understand.
Read Perrie's Reply below. I think she has the analysis right.
OK people wake up.
First Bob, you are trolling me and I know that.
Second the rest of you... here is why stats are BS. You can prove almost anything you like with stats.
Yes people who are poor get VD more often because they are ill informed and when they do seek out medical advice, they do it at public health centers where it is reported. Most people with means can go to their private doctor and get treated without being reported.
And for one last statistic.. here is the rate of death from Cancer by race:
So tell me, what are blacks doing to get cancer more? And I guess Asians, American Indians and Pacific Islanders must be better people than whites. This should be interesting.
It’s in their diets and alcohol consumption and amount of exercise. Blacks also smoke at a higher percentage than whites. Genetics can also be a factor. Belly fat and obesity are also contributing factors.
Dean..
You want to go for lifestyle, please explain, Asians, American Indians, Pacific Islanders and even Hispanics dying less from cancer than whites or blacks.
You day smoking? Your stats are not holding up. Read here:
Seems that Indians smoke the most and have the lowest rate of cancer. Try again.
Here is one example.
Compared with white men, African-American men are twice as likely to develop prostate cancer in their early 50s
I suspect genetics is a big factor.
Dean,
There are a lot of factors to all of these statistics. That is why I am bothering to go into this. People feel that stats alone address an issue, when in reality they provide some information, but usually there is deeper information to look into, to find out the reason why.
First Perrie, I am not trolling you. Not you personally.
I can't be trolling anyone, because that would be against the CoC.
What is not against the CoC is posting heinous half-truths, like:
Typical libtard excuse for low-life behavior by "those people"!
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That kind of response is ordinary on NT. Members even post lists of slanderous lies.
You think you've debunked the data in the seed with your own data? Not a problem, I just cr@p on your data with a beside-the-point insult (not directly to you, of course, because that would be against the CoC) and then I repeat my heinous half-truth.
NT!
Then use your brains Bob and do what I just did. Don't blame NT, because you can't or won't do your footwork.
Your data chart is just a typical libtard excuse for despicable morals among "those people"!
I already gave you the data on venereal disease, which is the topic at hand. Which is symptomatic of low moral behavior. Your cancer data is irrelevant.
You just don't want to hear the truth!
Perrie, you gave a response to the article. You didnt give a response to the source of the article.
This is a big problem with people. They accept unacceptable sources.
You could have asked Bob why he was seeding from a white supremacist web site.
No one else mentioned it either. I guess they were all fascinated by black deficiencies.
Good catch John. I am mad at myself for missing that. He's been cited.
Libturd you say....
You can't say that to a fellow member. If you want it changed to a more general form, then make it known during the next updating of the CoC in Nov.
Never! (I don't know what "libturd" means...)
I said "libtard"... which is used a zillion times a day on NT.
Everybody's a troll in the right circumstance, my good man!
Look at "Recent Discussions". You'll see that most are... trollish. I've been campaigning against this situation for a very long time.
That shows a real lack of maturity. If want to engage in a real debate/discussion, using childish names isn't going to get you very far. Just a thought.
I'm in school for my Medical Admin degree, and the last class I took was a legal and ethical class. It did say that anything transmittable must be reported ie: STDs, Polio, Measles, Mumps, TB etc.... I could be wrong, but it never specified if it was at a health department or a private doctors office. I think they still have a duty to report no matter where. Again, I could be wrong.
GaJenn,
It is a state by state mandate on VD. For instance, in NY only Syphilis and AIDs must be reported. But you can always find a doc who will hide that for you. And in any case, these disease have a lot to do with socio economics.
Good to know! Thanks for that. Learn something new everyday ☺
Also, that would explain why, when hubs and I had to get a blood test before marriage, they only tested for syphilis. Crazy they never tested for HIV or AIDS......it is Ga after all LOL
E.A with ALL due respect, AIDS, report AIDS as what?
E.A See the Last # post of mine:
And it is called " Genetic propensity " Peoples Gut Biota has a preference to where and what they are genetically asymmetric ( Born ) those Genes might try to compensate, when in different locales, but they have to battle constantly , Now look up Telomere, and then compare what Telomerase does, so in effect we ALL have " Cancer " it is just that out Immune system is in a stage that can keep it under control, but it is s fine balance!
Bob my question is why are you posting from American Renaissance, your well aware of what type of site it is. In fact this article should be taken down due to the source.
If your trying to inflame or make NT look like a funny farm your doing a good job.
Yes there is racism, but the whole damn world isn't racist.
I have taken down the comment and cited Bob for posting from a known hate site.
Is there a list somewhere? Is there a process for nominating sites to be put on the list?
Is racism the only criterion?
Some members call SPLC a hate site. Would a seed from SPLC be taken down?
Perrie,
I need to understand why you took down this article.
You say "known hate site". OK. How is it "known"? Who "knows"? As always, my most fervent desire is to improve NT... and I mean that sincerely. It would be a shame if articles could be taken down according to criteria that are in fact not "known".
I feel an urge to write a meta article......
To be fair, you say all sites you don't agree with are "hate sites" as well. I see the pendulum swings both ways.
That is a lie.
Hey, Perrie! Now what?
What "pendulum" swings both ways?
American Renaissance is a white supremacist site. If you can find a supremacist site from some other ethnicity that might be seeded on NT, then you might have a point. That is not part of the equation here though. There is no "pendulum" in this case.
I didn't say anything wrong, what do you mean "Now what?" Is that like the middle school kid bumping chests before a fight saying "now what????" Seriously..... how are you going to site something from a site that is a hate site and then seed it to incite? WTH?????
The "Now what?" was addressed to Perrie.
In theory, blatant lies are forbidden by the CoC. They're told all the time, with impunity... except when she decides to do something.
Also, calling someone a liar is forbidden by the CoC. You were a liar when you said "you say all sites you don't agree with are 'hate sites' ". Calling someone a liar is a strict no-no, even when that someone's lies are right there on the screen.
Logically, Perrie should do something. What she might do is anyone's guess.
I've never heard of it till now.
Pieces of shit are seeded every day. One member seed three of them every day.
I wanted to understand why this particular piece of shit was deleted when so many are allowed. The immediate explanation was... shall we say... succinct. So I asked for further explanations.
All told, I think the operation was successful, if needlessly long.
I looks to me that this article was posted with the intent to find a way to attack Perrie on a personal level. He is deliberately trying to put her in a corner for his own personal agenda. And to do that he is making NT look like a hate site itself with this kind of hate filled dialog.
It is only my own opinion, but, from the looks of it he is seeking revenge for some slights he thinks she has committed against him. However, he is only making himself look the fool.
No.
But not completely wrong, either.
I am certainly not attacking Perrie on a personal level. I am indeed attacking her management of the quality of conversation on NT. She's where the buck stops, after all.
Yes, I am trying to put her in front of the contradictions that her present "rules" generate. Until she realizes that NT is indeed, already, "a hate site", she will not take the measures needed to stop the site's slide to RWNJ oblivion. Already, HT is full of racism, camouflaged under various code-words like "Southern heritage". Already, it is perfectly acceptable to post heinous, slanderous lies.
There are more worthless red meat seeds than serious seeds.
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It's "amusing" in a sad way. There are members who seed trash, who say ugly stuff and pointless stuff... and who lie... all day, every day... You know who they are as well as I do. Their behavior is accepted... or at least tolerated.
But if I seed a despicable racist piece of garbage... everyone is horrified, and the seed is deleted. I suppose it's a sort of compliment. People expect my stuff to be "quality".
Double standards.......
My...how you try to justify your personal hate rant against Perrie. If you so hate NT, as it seems you do, then why not simply leave and find a board that more suits your taste better than NT? No one here is twisting your arm to prevent you from laving. Oh...I forgot, that would not give you the chance to post your hit comments against Perrie for your personal pleasure, nor to stir the crap pile that you know so many here like to wallow in. You know you have a ready and willing audience who are more than happy to pile on and try to drag the site down as much as possible for their own personal agenda, while you take pleasure in pursuing your own agenda.
Your excuse is as lame as your attempt. No one here is buying into to it, just taking advantage of it for their own personal pleasure.
I explained.
You listen or you don't. You agree or you don't. We all make the choices we make.
You'er explanation was without merit, merely an attempt on your part to try to justify your actions. We all know how much you dislike NT, you've made it point to complain over and over and over for years. Yet, you still hang around and do nothing but bitch and complain about NT and Perrie. It's old, very old, and yet you can't understand why people don't buy in to it anymore.
NT will not change simply because you want it to, nor will Perrie, or the Members who support this forum and appreciate the hard work and effort Perrie puts into it for us.
In short, it's Perrie's site, if you don't like it, no one will expect a fee at the door when you leave.
I explained.
You listen or you don't. You agree or you don't. We all make the choices we make.
Bob,
I have decided that I am not playing your stupid game with you. Frankly, it says a lot more about you, than it does about NT.
You deleted the article because it is from a "known hate site"... but you cannot explain what that means. OK... We both know what really happened. You saw a despicable article, and you took it down. The problem is that, in doing so, you revealed that "the rules" are "whatever you want them to be".
I personally have no problem with that. I've said a thousand times, "It's your site; you do as you please." But you need to stop hiding behind a CoC that you "interpret" six ways from Sunday. Assume your role. Say, "I took that article down because it was despicable!"
And then... try to be "fair and balanced". A poster with blatantly false accusations of murder... is despicable.
OMG!!!! you yourself said it was a hate site, or a white supremacist site.... what is your problem? Why seed an article from this site unless it was to create division? Do you get news from this site???, my guess would be no. Do you agree with the article? Why are you so bummed it got removed? You are just trying and trying to cause ruckus around here. Most people are debating and having adult conversations on a lot are articles. I don't comment much, but I read, and READ all the articles. It seems like there are a few that are doing this. I'm sorry you don't appreciate or like the new comers, I came here because I was a member of NV and may have had a total of 20 comments on there in the 2 years, I mainly stay on the sidelines. I don't mean to be ugly but you remind me of the kid in school that always reminded the teacher to give homework (hope that isn't a CoC), or the hall monitor that was always tattling on someone. We are all adults here, most are acting like it, there are quite a few that aren't
Welcome to NT.
If you truly want to understand why I seeded this article, then perhaps you should ask simple questions rather than accusatory questions. The situation is complicated.
It is my opinion the answer is rooted in narcissistic injury and the resulting narcissistic rage. It is complicated but once one gains a thorough understanding of the behavioral disorder it all makes sense.
Hey! Life counseling is Bf's gig.
Don't you be horning in on my boyfriend's work!
I didn't do that, it was cut and dry, and I asked you several questions. Be a friggen adult and quit acting like a middle schooler, quit causing a ruckus just so you can get comments or a 'rise' out of people.
He is making a point, Jenn, does it need to be spelled out for you?
That is not what is happening, and like most people I do not respond well to being scolded by someone who doesn't know what is happening.
OK..... Carry on then
I scolded you????? Wow, ok...... apologies. This is why I don't comment much. Y'all carry on with this foolishness and have fun.
Do Not patronize me, Lenny.....I have never spoken ill toward you. I had an opinion.
E.A For those with intelligence!!
See Studies done by the English, Germans and Russians, on skin pigmentation and Viral propensities, and then ask yourself WHY, yes WHY did they do those studies?
And now ask Yourself, do the Worlds Militaries have similar Data, with Pathogens?
Just delete Bob...all he seems to post is snark and sarcasm.
E.A NO!!! that is NOT how " education works " that is how one marginalizes and disfranchises people and communities!
What WE need to do is have the Guts and the Knowledge to INFORM, to educate and to " Chat "! fear not Truth has it own Power!!!
... said the newbie who hasn't the faintest idea of the dynamics on this site...
Since it began.
Funny... I don't remember you, either.
You were both here at the same time. And yes that was from day one.
at least he doesnt post horrific ignorance. i cant say that about everyone here
That would be open to debate.
Bob has made an important point here. It is encouraging that articles CAN be deemed too despicable to post, let's all keep that in mind.
This article and the comments following justify my preference for the groups with special interests. Actually, the article was deleted before I turned on my computer this morning so I never saw it but the comments make what it was pretty obvious.
So Bob, why don't you spend some time on your own group, Books?
I should... but
I've mainly been reading popcorn lately. Pleasant, but not really worthy of publicity.
Well, I think there are at least 5 or 6 NT members who are more interested in literature, creative arts, movies, travel or music rather than politics, religion and viciously attacking anyone whose views are different from theirs.
I don't think anyone should attack anyone else, not even gently.
So, what does you popcorn tell you????
Adhere to your own words.....
You're jumping into a LONG-running conversation...
1 - I have attacked no person. I have severely criticized the management of the site. It is hard to distinguish the two, but I try.
2 - Popcorn is code between Buzz and me. It means light reading.
Ok, my apologies, popcorn, I like it, so ya know.... I wasn't trying to hone in on anything sacred.
Apologies again.
No problem at all. Just explanations.
Politics are important, Buzz, political decisions affect our every day lives. When a person feels very strongly that certain political positions are detrimental to the country at large, they feel compelled to speak out against them, and advocate for things they strongly believe will help.
Of course politics are important, but ad hominem snarkiness is not, nor should politics encompass the whole of one's interest. My greatest respect for others is if they exhibit multiple interests, are "renaissance" persons.
As Hamlet said to Horatio: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
"But now listen to me. No matter how strangely I act (since I may find it appropriate to act a little crazy in the near future), you must never, ever let on—with a gesture of your hands or a certain expression on your face—that you know anything about what happened to me here tonight."
Ha ha!!! Hamlet continues....
Sometimes I can remember why I miss blogging, whereas at other times, I cannot recall a single thing.
This foray into the absurd reminds me much more of the latter.
Carry on.