(Trump Appointed) FBI Director Wray : The Nunes Memo Contains False And Misleading Information And Should Not Be Released
FBI Director Christopher Wray advised the White House to oppose the release of a classified GOP memo that he says includes false information.
The Justice Department has also implored the Trump administration to reject calls to make the memo public, citing national security concerns.
But Trump, under pressure from Republican lawmakers who say the memo proves there is bias at the FBI and the DOJ, seems inclined to release it.
FBI Director Christopher Wray said he is opposed to the public release of a classified memo that Republicans point to as evidence of bias at the FBI and the Justice Department against President Donald Trump, Bloomberg reported Wednesday.
Wray echoed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who on Monday warned White House chief of staff John Kelly that the memo is misleading and contains inaccurate information, according to Bloomberg.
On Sunday, Wray met with Republican Rep. Devin Nunes, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and co-author of the memo, to review its contents. The next day, Republicans on that committee voted to disclose the memo, giving Trump five days to decide whether to make it public.
In response to Rep. Jeff Duncan's plea to release the memo after Trump's State of the Union address Tuesday night, Trump said, "Oh, yeah, don't worry, 100%."
On Wednesday morning, Kelly, the president's chief of staff, hinted that Trump would follow through on his promise.
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FBI Director Christopher Wray has implored the White House not to release a hotly contested memo about the FBI, Bloomberg reported Wednesday . Wray believes the memo, which alleges the FBI improperly surveilled the Trump campaign in 2016, "contains inaccurate information and paints a false narrative." The memo was authored by Republican Rep. Devin Nunes (Calif.) and has been touted by some congressional Republicans as evidence of bias at the FBI.
It's exactly what many have been saying since the idiot Nunes began compiling this BS, well actually his aides (and quite possibly the White House as well), as he had claimed he hadn't even read it as recent as this weekend
It also seems that Rep Nunes and his staff conspired with the White House in the writing of the memo.
Heck, even the Trump-appointed FBI director says that it contains falsehoods and misrepresents the facts.
falsehoods?
LMBO, it's all there in black and white. Let the people decide.
"all there in black and white" doesn't mean it's true, and many people have already made their opinion. The FBI has crossed trump more then once, so they gotta be taken down as any dictator can tell you.
bawahaha...a dictator, huh? You people are hysterical. Wonder what excuses you will be making when you see what went on under the obama "regime".
That would be true if the underlying FISA documents were being released. This is a carefully crafted narrative selected out of the actual documents. This memo is like a cliff notes of "12 Years a Slave" that leaves out the abduction of a free black man and the abuses he suffers at the hands of the slave owner and focuses on the record amount of cotton the slave picked and his penchant for fiddling casting the master slave relationship as jovial and heartwarming. If you cut all the grisly details you can push just about any narrative you want, and in this case the Republicans are desperately trying to push a false narrative in regards to the FBI and the justice departments investigation of Trumps campaign team. They are trying to poison the tree so it never bears the fruit that could lose them power in the house and Senate as well as the executive.
It has already become a fact that Nunes is Trumps lap dog on the committee.
All this is memo, is more propaganda from Trump.
well there is this with Sara Carter on Monday night who, along with another Hill reporter "broke this news", - it's like peeling back the layers of an onion- months ago:
LOL, you have "allegedly" and "indicators". That equals a nothingburger.
Sounds like a completely irrelevant coincidence since the Trump-appointed FBI director says that it was about the IG review of McCabe's role during the investigation of Clinton's email server.
Hahahaha.
No, there could NEVER be a dictator in 'merica, WE'S way to smart for THAT. Trump wants Russian "democracy" so him and his good buddy can be even closer. As in Putin's flunky, but personally I think it's love.
The OBAMA regime? Do you mean "jade helmet" where he was going to (and probably did) have the army gather up all them patriotic gun owners in Texas and put them in a cave under a closed Wallmart, or where Obama was going to start WWIII, declare a state of emergency and be DICTATOR FOREVER?
It's so hard to track all the "Obamas Regime" stuff, there's just so much of it. Piles and piles of it. It would be useful if we spread that in a thin layer on a continent or two, they'd produce new record crops like never before.
At the very least you might want to stop meaningless speculation before you have some evidence to support it. Otherwise your comment has as much relevance as what Chris Wray had for breakfast that morning.
Wray is worried about the reputation of the FBI. If there are inaccuracies, Wray is free to correct them. On the other hand if Intelligence agencies violated the law and/or spied on a political campaign it needs to be addressed. Didn't liberals used to believe in civil liberties? How about transparency?
James Kallstrom, former deputy director of the FBI said the following:
"We're going to see the whole breadth and scope of this cabal that, unfortunately, involves the leadership of the FBI, leadership over the Justice Department," he said. "I'm sure that we're going to see John Brennan and his wacky ways … It's not gonna be a pretty picture, but it's the kind of thing that we have to look at, and we have to straighten out."
Kallstrom said he hopes the result is indictments of former officials who abused their power.
Indications are that the memo details the extent to which the FBI used opposition research paid for by Democrat Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee to get warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to eavesdrop on conversations between Trump campaign aides and Russians.
No he's not. The FBI, like the Democrats, were denied the ability to submit their own "memo" to dispute the contents of Nune's "memo". Plus, Trump would again have to approve it.
The believe in civil liberties for EVERYONE, not just Trump stooges.
How about allowing the Democrats to point out the inaccuracies with their own memo?
How about not writing bills locked in a room, then submitting that bill before anyone can read it?
Tax returns?
Then why did he convince McCabe to leave a month early? McCabe already had a private deal to leave next month - kind of an admission of wrongdoing, but whatever is in the memo caused Wray to get him out quick. Wray asked the President not to release the memo, when that failed he went to the media.
Why does the FBI, which is being looked at here get the right to keep it from the public?
Why do partisan democrats get to keep it from the public?
And No progressives do not believe in civil liberties - they believe in power & winning at all costs
Ummmmm.....because of the IG review of McCabe's role during the investigation of Clinton's email server, as the Trump-appointed FBI director has stated.
Sounds like you need to watch something other than Breitbart and Faux News otherwise you might be prone to swallow bogus right-wing memes spread by fake news outlets.
And it sounds like you need to give up the progressive narrative on everything.
Wray is advocating that the names of FBI personnel mentioned in the memo be redacted = he wants to protect the FBI from embarrassment. That's not leadership. If he disagrees with the President releasing the memo that much, he should tender his resignation.
Why would you want the names of investigators exposed? Are you running interference for Putin and Trump like Nunes is doing?
So much for the right wing false argument that the FBI said the memo was not factually inaccurate.
people can make their own determination - release the memo.
If the FBI director Trump appointed says it is false, that should be the end of it.
The rest of you can go soak your heads and try to regain your senses.
The good people of this country have had enough of the conspiracy nuts.
SInce this is a congressional memo and congress voted to release it, why do you think the President has control over it's release?
BTW, good to see you defending one of the President's appointees!
Because of House Intel committee RULES.
Is it "False", or "Misleading".
We all know how well ...... in context .....goes over these days.
"What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?"
What an original thought. Did you think of that all by yourself?
I thought I already exampled this for you earlier...
Nope !
Never claimed such either.
Now....What difference does it make John ?
skirting the CoC [ph]
Now....What difference does it make John ?
"Simple"............ can be a "whooooosh" moment for some at times.
Anyone who thinks that all the American people deserve is the uber-partisan truncated Nunes version of the 'truth' is a stupid, ignorant delusional asshat.
Isn't Wray a Trump appointee?
release the memo and we will all find out, huh?
Why not release the Dem committee members' view of the Nunes memo? What are Nunes and the other GOP members of the committee trying to hide?
In other words the agency which is about to have it's abuses brought to light is trying to block it!
To the surprise of nobody
The same agency which has a Trump appointee at the head, which is overseen by, guess what, two more Trump appointee's, these same Trump appointee's put Mueller in charge of the Russia investigation. Hmmmmm.
Why don't you post ALL of what she said? Because it doesn't mean what you want it to mean when you read it IN CONTEXT.
Christopher Wray was only nominated by Trump this past June! We are about to see actions that took place when the agency was under the leadership of James Comey, who was chosen by guess who? - Barak Obama! and the deep state operatives at that agency plus others at the DOJ were leaking and committing other criminal acts lead back to guess who? - Barak Obama.
This memo is going to be made public and you don't like it...Hmmmmm
Have you read it? No...so how do you know what the "context" is and that it "doesn't mean what you want it to mean"?
Good lord, try some logic.
It seems to me that even if a memo between those two agencies contains inaccuracies, that in itself is not exactly something to be proud of.
NO THEY CAN'T! The memo is from Nunes, it contains his opinion of information that we (as citizens) do not have access to. If you believe the memo, you are accepting everything in at face value with no evidence to back it up.
Um, yea, most people have.
Clinton: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backwards as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we’ll figure out what was going on in the meantime.
And the fact is they knew it was a planned terrorist attack that night. They knew in real time that it wasn't out for a walk and just decided to attack. They knew that night it was not because of some damn internet movie. No matter how you spin it she lied over and over again. She lied right in the faces of the families of the dead long after the incident was over and the real facts were known.
This will make Watergate look like child's play. Release the memo - it can be redacted, but it will be open for all the citizens of America to see the abuses of some in the FBI and the DOJ. Worried about national security? Pfft, spare me. If they were that concerned about that, they should have made dang well sure Shillary didn't have her emails on a non secure, bathroom servers that could be easily hacked and was. Jackasses...they can spare the false outrage - they are worried about what they have done, not our security.
volfan,
You and I go back quite a way; we rarely agreed but always did so respectfully.
I have been involved in many fact-finding situations and defended well over a hundred individuals in adverse actions before retiring years ago.
Let me say respectfully that you are well far from the realities of where we are today; Trump will be fortunate if he is only impeached and dismissed... and not indicted, prosecuted and imprisoned.
His own people will likely be instrumental in bringing him down as Trump tries to blame them for actual and fabricated indiscretions of his doing.
Hope you are well and prosperous.
"a person familiar with the matter"
no quote from Wray himself....just a bunch of hearsay crap as usual.
And where does Nunes get his information? Are you sure he got his facts straight when he wrote the memo?
From the White House propaganda bureau, as Nunes unwittingly confirmed yesterday:
This memo sounds like it was written in bullshit
right here - after a year almost of stonewalling, and before being cited for contempt of Congress, they released the documents that had been asked of them.
One of those caught up in the FISA surveillence based on a fake dossier produced and paid for by the Clintons and the DNC through Fusion One, also has begged for it to be released to exonerate himself:
by and
who the frack cares?
If the DOJ and the FBI used fake documents (and the texts between Strzok and Page on an "insurance policy" raise that question) to get a FISA warrant without verifying the information contained in it (and more likely didn't want to because they needed these fake lies paid for by the Clintons and the DNC) in order surrevil a presidential candidate and his associates, that is obstruction (among other things), pure and simple.
America is tired of conspiracy nuts. Time for you people to move on down the road.
The Steele dossier are not "fake documents", most have been verified, some are unverified, none have been proven false. Besides the fact that it was a conservative Republican group that started the investigation, it doesn't matter in the slightest who paid for the information gathering as long as the information is found sound, and the majority of the dossier has been verified. This is not a "fruit of the poisonous tree" thing where you throw out valid verified information gathered just because of who ended up paying for its collection.
Verified: Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met with representatives of Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Verified: The Kremlin targeted educated youth and swing state voters during its cyber attacks in the 2016 campaign.
Verified: Trump maintains ties to rich businessmen from Azerbaijan.
Not Verified: Russia had been cultivating Trump for years. We do know they were attempting to cultivate him, just not for how long.
Not Verified: Trump was offered real estate deals in Russia and turned them down. We know of a 17-page letter of intent that set the stage for Trump's attorney to negotiate a promising branding venture for Trump condominiums, a hotel and commercial property in the heart of Moscow. Trump signed the document late October 2015, according to Michael Cohen, his corporate attorney at the time.
Not Verified: Trump is open to blackmail due to illicit sexual activities in Russia. No, we do not have the pee pee tape.... yet. I'm sure Putin will get as much use out of it as possible before releasing it to embarrass the US.
It would explain so damn much about Trumps' behavior. That little mind fck is over there laughing at the stupidity of our country. The complacency of the GOP is MY biggest problem with the whole damn affair.
We are likely to soon learn that the White House had a hand in the actual writing of the Nunes Memo!
Watch for it.
And? BTW, he wants the memo released to exonerate himself.
So? This is nothing new. Are you saying the Dems are low information voters because they believed it and voted for Trump? LMBO!!
Oh my...the horrors...a rich businessman having "ties" to another rich businessman...how appalling?! /s/
Wow, that comment illustrates utter cluelessness.
Sure, he got them from the White House staff, like before.
Pretzel much?
Here then, try this.
and, if that isn't good enough, try this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-obtained-fisa-warrant-to-monitor-former-trump-adviser-carter-page/2017/04/11/620192ea-1e0e-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html?utm_term=.2def51433877
That is false. The Intel committee doesn't investigate 'the agencies'. That responsibility is with the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
Oh and BTFW, the DOJ also has a IG who has direct authority to investigate the actions within the Agency.
This isn't about Nunes wanting to 'reform' jack. It's about Nunes using his position to carry Trump's water by waving a shinny object to distract for the Russia probe and attempt to undermine the leadership of the DOJ.
Note that if this goes down the way it looks like it will, a House member will use the debate immunity rule in the House to release the memo because it is ILLEGAL to release classified information.
The memo was declassified yesterday.
Maybe one should be more exact when one speaks of 'agencies' when one actually means 'intelligence agencies'.
Being illegal and damaging the national security of this country are 2 different things. Trump doesn't care about any concerns most Americans have because this is all about HIM. Nobody with a brain believes Trump over the FBI. I suppose republicans will go balls to the wall to defend Trump over the good of the country, enabling his obstruction and trying very hard to deny what we all see. Russian bots are working overtime to help push that false Trump narrative. And republicans do not care about defense or security (unless there is money to be made off of it), that old bullshit of being strong of defense will be forever put to rest. Republicans think they can control this story forever. History won't allow that, and neither will patriotic Americans. Republicans care more about protecting possible crimes committed by Trump and his peeps than the good of this nation. And are willing to lie and destroy the foundations of our justice system to do it. Just wait til the memo is released. Wonder who has the balls to call out republican treason? I'm betting we will soon find out.
Since the article is about a FBI thing.....which EVERYONE knows "IS" an intelligence "Agency" (except YOU apparently)...one would think an explanation wouldn't be needed .
Just spatting for the sake of spitting ?
What is in the memo that makes you believe what you say ?
Looks like Dulay did my homework again.
However, Nunes was removed as chairman because he was too partisan
Then why are you speaking about it?
Bullshit. UNLESS Trump declassifies the memo, it is ILLEGAL to release it. THAT is why they will NOT release is to the press but will instead enter it into the Congressional record.
Yet you have no evidence that Trump WILL declassify the memo, DO YOU?
So per your 'analysis', Comey had every right to 'declassify' his memos and therefore he didn't 'leak' anything. Thank you for clarifying that. Please share your insight with the rest of the fraternity.
Yet the Intel Committee ISN'T investigating the FBI, Nunes is.
Nunes has ignored the rules of the Committee and shut out the Ranking Minority Member from any decision making. Nunes unilaterally organized a 'cabal' to create the content of the memo, without any input by any member of the minority. In FACT, there is no evidence that any of the Majority members or their staff participated either.
In the memo hearing transcript, Nunes admits that he DID NOT consult with the Ranking Minority Member. Nunes is running the Intel Committee like a Dictatorship and Ryan is complicit. They must make you proud.
No, you?
totally false.
So says Schiff (D), whom was once buddy buddy with Nunes.
The FBI....an "Investigating" arm of government....talked with Nunes and agreed on a few "Changes" to the memo, before it was to be made public.
Who made "Crazy Eye" Schiff the end all of "goodness" again ?
Totally true.
There, fixed it for you...
Nope. So says Nunes. Nunes was called on it during the hearing and admitted that he did not 'consult' with the Ranking Minority Member. During that hearing, Nunes ANNOUNCED that there was an ONGOING investigation into the DOJ and the FBI, unbeknownst to the Minority members of the committee.
Ryan is standing by as Nunes ignores the standing rules of the Intel Committee. Ryan and Nunes have tarnished the esteem of the Intel Committee.
Committee already voted on the memo's narrative.
As to Schiff and his whining:
"A spokesman for Nunes responded to Schiff's letter by calling it an "increasingly strange attempt to thwart publication of the memo," saying changes were made that were "minor edits to the memo, including grammatical fixes and two edits requested by the FBI and by the Minority themselves ."
A He said He said.
No proof of misbehavior by Nunes , no matter how you want to spin it.
Poor Schiff.....He got "Served".
WE are discussing the RULES of the committee, not the memo.
Actually, that is a he said and he confirmed.
Yes there is since he admitted it.
Someone on your side has to say something like that several times a day only to find out it's absolutely true at which point you try come up with some other way to twist the truth and facts which, in turn, well quickly fail. blather, rinse, repeat; blather, rinse, repeat.
She is correct.
It is not a quote from wray.
all news sources say "The FBI".
Here is what is being reported by NBC's Pete Williams-
The memo alleges that the FBI solely relied on the Steele dossier to seek a FISA warrant to surveil Carter Page.
The FBI says there was much more information presented to the FISA court that was not related to the Steele dossier.
By leaving out the other information , used to attain the FISA warrant , from the Nunes memo, the memo is fundamentally false and inaccurate in it's assertion.
How does he know what the memo states?
Has he read it?
The FBI said in a statement today that the memo contains false and misleading information. Why is this even an issue anymore?
What the hell is wrong with Donald Trump?
He is a reporter. He reports what he is told by his contacts. He just said it again to a new anchor person.
Actually, the deal is, you don't speak for everyone.
Since truncated parts of a classified FISA warrant application is included in the memo, they should just release the whole document.
You and yours have proven to be more than willing to make decisions based on half truths and fabrication. Some of us still prefer to review ALL of the available evidence before we make up our minds.
It's very important to demonize and discredit the FBI even if you have to use falsehoods fabricated by the White House and Nunes to do it.
I wonder why Trump simply didn't order the FBI director he appointed to do the discrediting like so many other Trump-appointees have done to the agencies they lead?
America is tired of conspiracy nuts.
Seem this appointee, unlike so many who were the antithesis of the program or administration they were appointed to, actually had a backbone, and was truthful when during his confirmation, he exclaimed he wouldn't fire Mueller without real good evidence of some sort of wrong doing , I think I'm referencing the correct dude, too damn many to keeptrack of N E more
Yep, almost all of them are liberals, and you appear one of their leaders.
Exactly! release the memo and we will all find out...simple.
Where do you want to start?
Back at ya.
Yet you trust a political hack like Nunes.
I've noticed that your BS is well honed. As for it's 'impeccable accuracy', BS rarely is.
Yet you continue to defend them and support their actions.
The memo doesn't contain ALL of the evidence. The FBI said the OMISSIONS cause it to be a false narrative. You may be willing to swill truncated partisan BS, I'm not.
Clapper just stated it may not even be about omissions that cause it to be a false narrative, interesting
Funny, what just brought me here was your comment on recent comment board, where it appeared you were being a bit of a braggart. It was just you quoting another. again, interesting
Do you never tire of posting irrelevant false equivalencies?
so why all the omissions when congress asked for the info on hillary's emails and the info on her investigation and we find out thru judicial watch that the FBI OMITTED realms of documents that congress had requested...it kinda makes the FBI to be the liars here and wanting to cover their azzes
Who is The FBI?
Kindly speak for yourself and not all Americans. I've enjoyed watching the Soros/Obama/Clinton Criminal Machine (including their upper tier FBI and DoJ players) be outed and destroyed.
Trump should built his wall with Hillary's emails since no one can seem to get over them...
So, why is there an issue in releasing it, if NBC News and you already know what is in it?
hahahhaaa---NBC--now there is a credible source ---LOL---
False assertions and inaccuracies are now the new political staple. Nunes knows this and has the advantage...........( at least momentarily. )
Besides, look at it this way. "Mexico will pay for the wall," DJT and his minions. So, with that being understood, I assume the American Taxpayer is now Mexican? See how this works?
The memo does not have to be truthful. It does have to reflect the Trump narrative and offer protection. In the end however, Nunes and his memo will fail.
In my opinion, they are just digging themselves a deeper hole.
Based on? (hopefully more than just your ardent dreams)
Why are you putting your faith in Devin Nunes? He is a discredited clown who is a stooge for the Trump white house. There is even speculation that the White House helped draft the memo.
This is crazy, but the way the right operates these days.
By whom? The laughable DNC? The DNC controlled media? Hey how that Russia investigation coming along anyway? The only ones who colluded with the Russians, it appears, is the DNC and the Clintons who financed the fake dossier. Why even Strzok said, in the text messages that the whole Trump Russia thing is a big fat nothing burger.
It is comical that those on the left came up with this whole concocted story chased that wild rabbit down into the hole now can't get out themselves, they just keep digging...lol.
Couldn't be going better and even faster now that we know the Nunes memo is full of lies and that the alleged anti-Shitbag® (Trump, of course, since you seem to be new here) FBI agent (Strzok) was behind getting Comey to re-open the always bogus Clinton email "scandal" right before the election. He was probably almost as instrumental in getting Shitbag® "elected" as Putin. I hope all of Shitbag's toadies and low-life supporters have parachutes on because the ground they're all standing on (including Shitbag®) is going to collapse.
Actually, the transcript of the Intel hearing was released and Nunes wouldn't deny that he coordinated with the WH on the memo.
really? You have read it? Wow....I guess that is why Wray read it and asked McCabe to be gone the next morning...nothing to see here.
pfft. that all you got?
Obviously already more than you can handle.
Nope...it was a question, since you act like you know everything...have YOU read it or not? Just answer the question.
I replied to a specific part of your comment, which I block quoted, which did NOT include a question.
Try to keep up...
Yet it wasn't directed to ME was it Norman?
Follow the thread Norman. Go back to:
Was the comment I replied to a question Norman?
That's two of you that don't seem capable of following a simple conversation.
I suspect he only has an advantage with Republicans and other such gullible folks. Sane people already realize that Nunes has been trying to undermine the investigation into the Trump campaign's collusion with Russia's plot to undermine our democracy.
I want to see the information, but the partisanship of this memo - whatever its contents - sabotages its credibility. The committee should release an official report and summary of that report based on its investigations. I don't see how a memo like this - released in this way - will accomplish anything.
Good for you Tacos shot of Tequila ?
Hell hath frozen over, we agree!
It's the Super Blue Moon effect !
With a slice of lime and a dash of salt, instead of Orange
Go Eagles !!
I'll agree with that!
As do I.
Hey a bipartisan issue !
You have made this life-long Philly fan and resident a happy man.
and FCKN A PROUD OF IT !
Then I am glad I am not an Eaglez fan. I am only going to rout for them because they are not New England.
Holy shit, I agree with Tacos, too!
I grew up in the other PA so I'm not an Eagles fan...but I do want them to kick some NE ass mostly because Mr Giggles BFF is a Patriots fan and Mr Giggles BFF is an asshole
Steelers fans have their own reasons for disliking the Pats
I re-read that one several times. Your logic is working in strange and mysterious ways today. Been gnawing on that MI5 recipe?
I'm having a bad week. I haven't been getting very much sleep lately.
Mr Giggles' best friend is a Patriots fan so I hope they lose because BFF is a total asshole. Is that better?
Though I do have a pretty good idea of what Trump co. WANT it to accomplish. In fact, it's already happening.
The Rule of Law:
1. If the facts are against you, argue the law.
2. If the law is against you, argue the facts.
3. If the facts and the law are against you, yell like hell.
This is them yelling like hell.
The only ones making such a noisy fuss are the Democrats. What are they scared of?
So Trump nominated and the GOP Senate confirmed a Democratic Director of the FBI?
It will release information that the left desperately wants kept secret and covered up. That's why they are fighting against it so fiercely. Go ahead and release it, then the leftturds can always try to refute the parts they think that are in error, if they have any credible evidence.
bingo
Wow, for you to say this is nearly as damning as if Shitbag® had actually just announced that he's actually guilty (which he's almost already done with this effort to smear our entire intelligence community, foreign and domestic, to try to get out of this. Could it be that even you are starting to see the obvious attempt to obstruct justice by nearly all the republicans and the WHShitbag®?
The memo alleges that the FBI solely relied on the Steele dossier to seek a FISA warrant to surveil Carter Page.
The FBI says there was much more information presented to the FISA court that was not related to the Steele dossier.
It's amazing what minutia we are now fighting over and how far the goalposts have been moved. Imagine a year ago, if someone claimed that the Obama administration used unverified, uncorroborated information obtained from Kremlin officials by a former spy with extreme left wing views that was paid for by the Clinton campaign as a basis to spy on a man affiliated with the Trump campaign, no one would have believed it possible. Now it gets buried in the middle of a story.
As John says, that's now an accepted fact. We've become so desensitized after months of rumor, that what was once laughed at is now accepted as business as usual.
Now thatthe incredible fact has been admitted, the left wants to argue over just how much the FISA court relied on a opposition research to spy on an American citizen. Who fucking cares? The very fact that something so flimsy and partisan could be used at all to spy on an American citizen is outrageous. The left simply doesn't care about civil liberties anymore, unless the liberty involved is too allow a man to shower with girls in public schools.
Now that he mentions it, wasn’t the release of the memo supposed to be a threat to national security? The FBI seems to have scaled back its objections a bit now that the release of the memo seems imminent, once President Trump reviews and approves it.
This headline is misleading. The FBI doesn't claim the dossier contains false information, it claims their are material omissions.
The FBI admits everything in the dossier is true, it just claims other information should have been included.
Freudian slip?
Insert hilarious laughter emoji.
So two years ago the left was going on about how material was over classified and needlessly cautious when it was all about Hillarys server.
Now the left is willing to take the intelligence agency's word for everything and wants the public to stay in the dark.
The memo is about the content of a FISA warrant which is INHERENTLY classified. PERIOD. Full stop.
Your analogy is a fail.
The public has a right to know if the warrant was legally obtained. If the evidence was false (like the Russian dossier) then the whole case against Trump falls apart and the Dems know it.
But that won't be the information that Nunes will give you in the memo. Nunes and his minions will tell you what THEY want you to know.
Bullshit. Do you seriously think that Mueller is building his case based purely on the ONE thread that Carter Page represents? Flynn was in the room and so were many of the others that Mueller has already interviewed.
If it makes you feel better to believe that Page is the linchpin to this whole thing, so be it. It's pure fantasy but not unexpected.
He did? When? Link please.
You forgot the Trump FBI and their reason has nothing to do with it being a 'joke'.
Nor does if have anything to do with 'fear'. That is a simplistic view of a complex, nuanced issue.
Not much of history buff I see. It's actually sad that you don't seem to know how ridiculous that analogy is.
You need not read the memo for that. Just look at the actions of Nunes and his minions. They started an 'investigation' without conferring with the minority. Nunes who recused himself from the Russia probe yet continued to meet in secret to concoct this memo. As the FBI publicly stated, the memo omits relevant information that renders it inaccurate.
Truth be damned.
How patriotic of you to want to rely on illegal actions by stateless actors to effect our political process. MAGA! /s
Nope. The Nixon Administration FOUGHT the release the Pentagon Papers. Trump is facilitating the release of the memo.
Another reason that a ridiculous analogy is that ALL of the Pentagon Papers were released. Trump is releasing a truncated partisan version of his truth.
I agree, Nunes is doing everything in his power to help Trump to keep his secrets secret...
The House has already voted to release the memo and they’re only waiting to see whether the President, pursuant to House rules, objects to disclosure on national security grounds. The fact that the memo may be misleading or inaccurate is not, in and of itself, a national security issue.
Normally, a document would be given to the intelligence community to sanitize it before giving it to the president. However, in this case, the Republican House committee chair may have bypassed the intelligence community and worked directly with the White House.
The House decision to release the memo split along party lines. One party pushing the release of intelligence information in this fashion can lead to the politicization of intelligence. That’s bad. On the other hand, the whole purpose of the release in this instance is to expose an alleged politicization of the FBI (an arm of the intelligence community). If true, then that’s good. I haven’t read the memo so I can’t say whether it should be released or not. However, when the president has a vested interest in the decision, as is the case here, I think he should be very careful about releasing information that may needlessly undermine the credibility of the FBI.
Sadly, the credibility of the FBI has been hit by Comey, Strzok, McCabe, and Page and their actions and words along with the steps taken to discipline them.
how ?
I guess you haven't been paying attention since Jan 2016...
Now that is an unbiased thoughtful assessment.
Your post is well thought except, IMHO the above statement.
If the memo was intentionally fashioned to be misleading or inaccurate, it can and will unduly undermine the publics belief in the integrity of the FBI. That can cause a rift between the FBI and the people and THAT can be a national security issue. In truth, that's already well on it's way and it is a disservice to the Nation.
As it is, the relationship between the Congress and the FBI is in the toilet. What little trust existed, is gone.
When the truth wills out, and the memo is proven to be a political hack job, the damage will have been done. The truth rarely catches up to the lie.
Maybe so but I really don’t think the president, without objective proof, should assume that a memo was drafted to be intentionally misleading or inaccurate. In my opinion, if there’s a risk to national security (rather than simply embarrassment of the intelligence community), then I think the president should err on the side of caution and not release it. If it’s not a clear national security risk, then he should defer to Congress since the issue originated with a congressional vote to make the memo public.
Again, I haven’t read the memo but I hope there’s more in it than innuendo. Otherwise, releasing it turns the FBI into a political footballl and I’m having a hard time seeing how that would be in the public interest.
IMHO, Trump doesn't WANT an 'objective' opinion on the content of the memo. I think he wants it to do exactly what Nunes and his minions wrote it to do. Obfuscate, divert, deflect.
I hope you are right. I doubt it.
Well, now THAT is in doubt. Shiff just released a statement that the memo that Nunes sent to the WH is NOT the same memo voted on by the committee.
On page 23 and 24 of this transcript, Nunes ( the chairman) refuses to answer the question from Rep. Mike Quigley as to whether or not his staff collaborated with the White House on the memo
Nice selective editing there John. I went to your source and right above your copy paste on page 23 nunes answers no. I can't copy it to post but you know what you did.
According to the transcript of the fractious meeting, Democratic Rep. Mike Quiqley of Illinois pressed Nunes on whether he had coordinated with the White House in crafting the memo for the public to see.
“When you, as the majority, conceived of doing this memo for release to the body and to the public, the preparation, the thought of doing it, the consultation of it, was any of this done after/during conversations or consultations with anyone in the White House?” Quigley asked.
Nunes replied, “I would just answer, as far as I know, no.”
Sorry, Quigley rephrases the question and Nunes blows it off.
Doesn't look good for Nunes.
Or why not just answer it again...
Yes or No isn't exactly to taxing one would think
So 'as far as' Nunes knows, he didn't consulted with the WH? What kind of BS equivocation is that? Does he sleepwalk? Either he did or he didn't. WTF!
Then the 'Chairman' refuses to 'entertain questions from another member'. Well who the hell else is going to ask him questions in a CLOSED hearing?
yup....the lengths the left is going to... is...extraordinary.
Pathetic,John.
The transcript speaks for itself. Nunes is asked a second time by Quigley to clarify his response, which is quite common, and Nunes says he will not entertain the question.
Clearly, to Quigley, the first answer was insufficient, and easily seen as a dodge (as far as I know the people who work for the committee I chair did not....) What does he mean "as far as I know"?
He doesn't know what the staff who composed the memo for him used as their research, and who else may have contributed?
Sean, you have sold your integrity to trumpism. It's a sad story.
He's not omniscient.
The question was if Nunes knew of anyone in the majority working with the administration.
He gave the only answer he could, that he didn't and that he's unaware of anyone who did. Nunes is simply admitting that he doesn't have personal knowledge of what every member of the majority does with their time.
But he's clearly saying that he did not. There's no other way to interpret his answer.
WWWHHHHHAAAATTTT ????.
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u know not what Nunes did, or did not know.
we all know he had to recuse himself after running to the WH to inform them of info THEY had informed him about comprendeh me neither
Let's rephrase this a little bit
"Mr Chairman, did your underlings on this committee collaborate with the subjects of the investigation to create a phony baloney diversion meant to discredit the investigators?"
" (Nunes) Not that I know of"
That's false. Quigley asked 'did YOU' and 'did they talk to YOU' not did 'anyone in the majority'.
Nope. Nunes said 'as far as I know, no.' He equivocated.
When asked about his staff, he refused to 'entertain' the question. In short, REFUSED to answer.
Oh and what makes you think Nunes wouldn't sit there and bald faced lie? You haven't forgotten that he lied to the American people with a straight face just outside of the WH have you?
That actually misrepresents the content of the transcript...
poetic license. and i disagree that it misrepresents the question
Quigley: Did they have any idea you were doing this? Did they talk about doing this with you? Did they suggest it? Did you suggest it to them? Did you consult in deciding how to go forward with this before, during, and after this point right now?
Nunes: I would just answer, as far as I know, no.
Quigley: Mr. Chairman, does that mean that none of the staff members that worked for the majority had any consultation, communication at all with the White House?
Nunes: The chair is not going to entertain a question by another member.
That's the problem, there are 2 questions. He only answers the one about himself.
I understand that. I rephrased it for effect. If that irritates you I am sorry.
The FBI described their concern over the possible release of this memo as 'grave.' The are not 'gravely' concerned that the information has political bias. If the treasonous scum party releases this memo, it could mean the death of an agent/agents in the field.
Those are last week talking points.
The FBI no longer claims any security concerns with the memo.
What? Just TODAY they said it should not be released as is! They also say it is incomplete, misleading and may compromise national security. But republicans and Trump AND RUSSIANS want to damage the pillars of our justice system to protect Trump. TRAITORS. And most republicans are either willfully treasonous or have fallen into the Russian propaganda and are actively doing damage to this country believing their shit. I hope Mueller brings in Nunes really soon. Republicans are going to be seen as traitors and some of them already know it and are trying to untangle. Trey fucking Gowdy isn't running. All of this will end up proving republican malfeasance and complicity. Even Paul Ryan won't be squirming out of this one.
Better watch the propaganda pushed by republicans and helped by Russian bots. History will be brutal. Would not want to have to explain that to the grandkids,
Do you really believe the bunch of idiotic crap you just wrote?
It's amazing that this is happening to America, it really is. NO ONE is stupid enough to believe that Trump is not guilty of a whole lot of illegal activities here. It's obvious how desperately he is trying to kill the investigation, yet four out of ten Americans STILL approve of this dangerous criminal lunatic, that's about four fifths of them I used to think that no more than half of the right wingers were total loons, thirty or forty percent perhaps, but, apparently, FOUR FIFTHS of them are! This is on you loons, you are forcing your party to accept this menace by your continued support.
Four fifths is 80%. Four out of ten is is 40%.
"Math is hard"!
LOL! Comprehension of the simplest things seems to be hard for you Rexy!
Nunes is a lying POS. Nothing more than a trump stooge. I would trust a fart after downing 3 gallons of prune juice before I would ever trust nunes.
It's now being reported that the memo that congress voted on, is not the same memo that Nunes showed to the WH. In other words, Nunes got congress to vote on one version, he altered it, and now wants trump to release the "updated" version. Nunes has proven to be a liar, and a bad one at that, and still the right will totally buy whatever is in this memo even knowing that Nunes is nothing more than a partisan hack.
#sad
#deplorable
Reported by whom? Some left wing propaganda mill? What evidence do you have that is was altered, besides none?
Why in the world are you left wing hysterics so afraid of what is going to be revealed in that memo.
Just about every news agency in the country. Not shocking that fox fake news isn't reporting it.
you want to know how stupid Democrats think their voters are? This stupid.
Schiff spent the last week demanding the Democrats and FBI get to make changes before it's released. Nunes obliged and let Schiff and the FBI make a few essentially cosmetic alterations.
Once Schiff makes the changes he requested, he tells his idiot followers to attack the memo because it's been changed. Like the lemmings they are, they've followed Schiff right over the cliffs of stupidity.
It's pretty obvious that conservatives hate law enforcement.
"Orin Hatch says I am the greatest president in history, even better than Lincoln and Washington!!!"
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1) Orin Hatch said he never said that, so once again, trump lied....*shocker* /sarc
2) How pathetic do you have to be to make up things that other people said JUST to stroke your own pathetic ego... KNOWING that the other person never said it, and people would undoubtedly ask Hatch if he said it? These are things that no sane, normal human being does.
"“Orrin, I love listening to him speak. He said once that I am the single greatest president in his lifetime. Now he’s a young man so it’s not that much. And he actually once said that I’m the greatest president in the history of our country and I said ‘Does that include Lincoln and Washington?’ he said ‘yes,’"
After they passed the tax bill Hatch did babble something about Trump possibly being the greatest president ever, but I doubt you could get him to repeat it. Especially not about Lincoln and Washington.
Trump's a psycho anyway.
Stormy Hair, or heir, or PUTIN
Stormy Daniels?
Dark and stormy, just like some folks in here.
I have a couple of problems with the premise of this article.
I'll start by saying this is exactly what Congress is charged with doing: Oversight. The FBI and the Justice Department are subject to oversight by Congress. So the premise of this "Memo" is exactly what we the people are supposed to be paying these fools to do.
That being said, if Wray thinks that the memo paints a false narrative, it is his duty to correct the Committee as to what he feels is wrong with it. He hasn't done that. To be sure, what I've read about Wray's opposition at this point is that the Committee is reaching conclusions based on raw data that they have obtained, without the benefit of analysis that the FBI and Justice Department have used to correlate it with.
Which brings up the other problem: Why have they not testified to that analysis. The memo wasn't written out of thin air. It was based on all the documents turned over to the committee, as well as the testimony provided by the FBI and Justice Department. If there is a problem with the committee's conclusion, it has to be borne out of a failure to provide appropriate documents, or failure to provide truthful and complete testimony.
The gist of the memo is that the FBI and the Justice Department used a false document (the Dossier) to obtain a FISA warrant, thus misleading the FISA court, and using it to spy on a Candidate and his election team. Anyone who has been keeping up with the news of late can see the progression of this over the last year. The fact that the Dossier was actually opposition research by the Clinton campaign, leaked in an effort to discredit the Trump campaign, and ultimately used to spy on the the Trump campaign. If Wray and the Justice Department feel that this conclusion is false, it is incumbent on THEM to correct it. So far, we have seen nothing to suggest that. Perhaps after the memo is released we will.
What needs to happen here, is you folks need to shed the partisan cape and look at this for what it really could be: A miscarriage of justice, and the rule of law.
Excellent comment. That they haven't done so indicates the contents and conclusions in the memo are true and correct as to what was said and done.
If it is indeed full of falsehoods then let the Democrats provide proof of that........They have made it perfectly clear that it contains false and misleading information......So let's let the people decide for themselves.....Release it.....Until then......the public really knows nothing about what is in it for sure.
Interesting to me is that the Pubs voted against allowing the Democrats to release their memo.
Also interesting to me is that Nunes didn't read any actual reports and this memo he wrote is strictly an opinion piece. Why does everybody seem to care so much about this? It's a literal opinion piece. Gawd...the fake controversies of this day and age.
pants on fire
you should be ashamed
then pee yourself
Nunes and Trump both admitted to not even knowing what was in memo for weeks.
Both found out THIS week. Look into it, and put your heavy pants out.
NOT A LIE
Empirical proof that it is a lie ..... ignorantz sez it isn't.
Case closed
Norman is posting all sorts of off topic crap on this seed.
As long as this is his only mode of communication on this forum I have no recourse but to close the seed.