If I were Kim I wouldn't take The Trump's promises too seriously. 

Hell, here in America we're still waiting for that 'beautiful and inexpensive' TrumpCare health plan.

If I were Kim I wouldn't take The Trump's promises too seriously.

This idiot is looking at one thing right now and, he admitted it, the beach's in North Korea, according to Trump, are so beautiful he wants to put a Condo on them.

Went on FB and saw a few 'things' put up by Trump worshippers.  Amazing.  Simply amazing.  Nobel talk and all of that.

1.  Trump is definitely not a negotiator.

2.  Trump is completely lacking any concept of American democracy or American interests.

3.  If Trump invites 'little rocket man' to the WH, he should definitely take him to our internment camps in the West and show him how to 'get whole.'

4.  Trump is definitely way in over his head.

5.  Trump should explain to Kim how to become bankrupt multiple times and still be able to convince 'some people' that you are a brilliant business man.

6.  Wonder if Kim asked him about Stormy and Karen McDougal?

7.  Trump is not an idiot, he is a money launderer and prefers the company of oligarchs and tyrants.

Trump is not going to get the Peace Prize. I heard someone who knows about it say on a show that they will never give it to Trump because he threatened (at one point) to wipe N Korea off the face of the earth. No one who says something like that in public (at the UN no less) will ever get the Nobel Peace Prize. Not that he would ever deserve it anyway. 

If truth and justice will ever be served, Trump and his whole cabal will end up in Ft. Leavenworth Military Prison.

Nobody gets The Nobel for a fake nothingness.

Trump is not an idiot

He's not a genius either. He has definitely said some truly stupid things since he got into politics, let's attribute it to a psychological disorder. 

Trump is not going to get the Peace Prize. I heard someone who knows about it say on a show that they will never give it to Trump because he threatened (at one point) to wipe N Korea off the face of the earth. No one who says something like that in public (at the UN no less) will ever get the Nobel Peace Prize.

There may be another reason as well. While the Nobel Prizes inn other areas are generally deserved, the so-called "Noble Peace Prize" committee is extremely left wing. And more than a a bit nutty (they awarded the prize to Yassir Arafat, to cite but one example). So even if Trump's actions actually do have any significantly positive results, the odds are than Kim Jun Un will get the Peace Prize, as will Moon Jung Un (president of South Korea). But not Trump-- no, not from the lunatics on the Nobel Peace Prize Committee:

Nobody gets The Nobel for a fake nothingness.

Obama did. How do you explain that?

Allow the Nobel committee to explain it to you. 

nobelprize

Lets not forget that his nomination went in within the first 11 days of his administration.  He had not yet done anything, a member of the committee said this:

Jagland said "We have not given the prize for what may happen in the future. We are awarding Obama for what he has done in the past year. And we are hoping this may contribute a little bit for what he is trying to do," noting that he hoped the award would assist Obama's foreign policy efforts.

en.wikipedia

Just saw a news item from the AP stating that 2 Norwegian lawmakers have nominated President Trump for the 2019 Nobel Peace Prize. 

Bringing peace on earth and goodwill to mankind. The man is extraordinary and is making the world a better place for all. We are entering one of the most peaceful and prosperous times in the history of the world thanks in large part to his efforts. 

Thanks for the snarky reply Tessylo

He’s not paying me just saving me a lot in taxes and that is going to be used for capital investments which will create opportunities for others. 

"The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. "

In Real words....Obama just made some speeches in other countries apologizing for America. Yet he helped bomb Libya into submission for his friends. Got it ! 

For a whole lot more and for better reasons that the idiots that nominated Obama. 

In conserva/world if the word Obama were extricated from the lexicon the silence would be golden.

Obama failed for the following seven years to accomplish any substance. 

Well according to Politifact, Obama accomplished quite a bit of substance on the nuclear front:

In the United States, the Global Threat Reduction Initiative -- a federal office charged with converting research reactors and isotope production facilities from highly enriched uranium to low enriched uranium, removing excess nuclear and radiological materials, and protecting high-priority nuclear and radiological materials from theft -- issues periodic progress updates.

The most recent, released on Nov. 7, 2012, said that the United States has "greatly accelerated its efforts to reduce nuclear and radiological threats since President Obama"s pledge in Prague in April 2009 to secure all vulnerable nuclear material in four years.”

Since the speech, the office says, the United States has:

• Removed 1376.1 kilograms of HEU and plutonium (enough material for approximately 55 nuclear weapons).

• Removed all weapons-usable nuclear material from nine countries and areas, including: Romania, Taiwan, Libya, Turkey, Chile, Serbia, Mexico, Sweden and Ukraine.

• Completed physical protection upgrades at more than 1,000 buildings totaling more than 10,000,000 curies – enough for approximately 10,000 dirty bombs

• Removed more than 10,000 at-risk radiological sources – enough for more than 6,500 dirty bombs.

• Converted to low enriched uranium fuel or verified the shutdown of 20 highly enriched uranium research reactors in 12 countries, including Bulgaria, Canada, Chile, China, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Japan, Kazakhstan, the Netherlands, Poland, Russia, and the United States.

• Accelerated the establishment of a reliable supply of the medical isotope molybdenum-99 produced without the use of highly enriched uranium by establishing partnerships with South Africa, Belgium, and the Netherlands.

That was done in 4 years. 

Talking with NK.

Well is that's the case, then Clinton should've also gotten it.

7.  Trump is not an idiot

You never read his tweets?

What's with the obsession with butts ?  

Donald Rump  

What's with the obsession with butts?

Have you ever seen Trumps face when he talks?

It looks like a butt hole with teeth.

Trump may have been telling the North Koreans he is ready to life the sanctions on them at the same time he was telling the American media that the sanctions will not be lifted until all the NK nukes are gone. 

But how would we know? Trump lies about everything. 

Trump doesn't pay attention.  He knows his base doesn't either.

Conservatism has it too easy.  It has no memory, honor or soul.

But how would we know? Trump lies about everything.

And also this: at one point there was a closed meeting with only Trump, Kim Jung Un, and their interpreters. Nothing was signed. No-one except those 4 knows what was actually said in that room. (And I'm pretty sure neither interpreter will be a "leaker").

So both Trump and Kim can say whatever they want about what happened in there-- since there's no written record, there's no way for us to know what was actually said!

Obviously this whole thing is a "wait and see" situation. Nobody can be trusted, not even anything written and signed. Besides, I believe Xi Jinping had more influence on Kim than Trump did - Kim relies upon China not only for continued sustenance, but for its defence as well.  

Besides, I believe Xi Jinping had more influence on Kim than Trump did

It looks like Xi had more influence on Trump than Abe and Moon too since Trump basically signed Xi's agenda. 

Just curious - was the word "promised" part of the report, and even if just "agreed" even if not "promised" was there a condition for such to happen, or not?

Ask Trump.  Multiple questions-----multiple answers.  Got it?

No, I DON'T "got it".  Was it conditional or not?

You know that unnamed sources never say anything positive about Trump. This could be an outright lie; or be a half truth- and the sanctions will only be lifted once certain conditions are met by NK.

I can't believe the same people that worshiped the non binding deal Obama made from Iran; are the same ones that are blasting Trump for signing something that promises nothing to NK. Of course Obama had the all powerful D behind his name; and Trump has the terrible R behind his. 

I will settle for Trump not selling the US tax payer out- like every other President has done to get what they want in foreign policy.  But I guess we will all have to wait to find out until something more is released to the public than some vague mutual assurances they signed.  Expect a lot more behind the scenes talks to go on; and more shows for the world in the way of meetings between Trump and Kim.  Of course the "unnamed sources" will be there the whole way telling us how bad Trump is; not matter what the reality.

I will be buying stock in popcorn when the next Democrat is elected to the WH.  It will be hard for the Republicans to up the BS the Dems and media have thrown at Trump; but I am sure they are taking notes and will be more than up to the task.  

but I am sure they are taking notes and will be more than up to the task.

The Dimocrats still don't get it. Perhaps losing badly in another election might wise them up, but Trump Derangement Syndrome is a very serious mental disorder, perhaps incurable.

You know that unnamed sources never say anything positive about Trump. This could be an outright lie; or be a half truth- and the sanctions will only be lifted once certain conditions are met by NK.

Sure, the truth could be something other than what the North Koreans say or what impression is given by the article. 

But how would we know?  On Trump's say so, or his administrations? 

Please. He and his spokespeople break world records for lying with every passing day. It is a variant on the little boy who cried wolf. He lies so much that no one in right mind will believe him even if he does stumble across a truth. 

Ask Trump.  What did he say it is?  He was there.  He's the man, right?

You know that unnamed sources never say anything positive about Trump. This could be an outright lie; or be a half truth- and the sanctions will only be lifted once certain conditions are met by NK.

NK media IS Kim's voice. Every word coming from NK media is through Kim. 

Is Kim lying to his people, who the fuck knows.

What we DO know is that there is NO DOUBT that Trump lies and lies and lies to Ameicans. 

Which begs the question, why believe anything EITHER of them say about was or wasn't agreed on?

It's kabuki theatre and everyone is eating popcorn...

Are you not entertained? 

Sure, the truth could be something other than what the North Koreans say or what impression is given by the article. 

Where were you when Iran was saying the exact same thing about the deal between them and Obama?  Guess which side turned out to be right?

But how would we know?  On Trump's say so, or his administrations? 

You all expected us to buy the Obama administration BS on the Iran deal.  Obama said he would walk away if the deal was bad; but it was every other country that did, except for the US.  Obama had no intention of ever walking away.  He needed the deal so badly for his legacy, that he was willing to take whatever pile of dung he could bribe the Iranians to sign.  The rest of the world wanted trade with Iran.  Those "snap back sanctions" will never be put back in place.  Obama knew that before he signed the deal.

So far all we have are very vague mutual assurances signed by each side.  This is not a formal pact or deal.  That is still a long way off, if ever.  Both sides are now posturing that it is a victory for them. That is completely normal politicals- which Obama and the Iranians did as well.

Please. He and his spokespeople break world records for lying with every passing day. It is a variant on the little boy who cried wolf. He lies so much that no one in right mind will believe him even if he does stumble across a truth. 

Which makes him the perfect politician. So why does the establishment and political elite on both sides hate him so much?  They are scared shitless that the next outsider might really shake the system up.  Trump proved you don't need the media or establishment to win the biggest election in the world.  Trump is as much of an insider as the rest of them; but they have to take him down. They have to show the next "outsider" what is in store for them if they decide to run.

I can't stand Trump; but the derangement syndrome on the left far outstrips anything on the right during the Obama administration.

Is Kim lying to his people

He has had them murdered and starved them, so lying to them is pretty much a given.

He has had them murdered and starved them, so lying to them is pretty much a given.

I was talking specifically about the propaganda attached to the 'summit' but ya, pretty much spot on. 

Just curious - was the word "promised" part of the report, and even if just "agreed" even if not "promised" was there a condition for such to happen, or not?

We have to ask ourselves, when Trump made this promise was it Tuesday Trump or, was it Thursday Trump? If it was Thursday Trump then he intends to lift the sanctions and, stop the military exercises in South Korea, if it was Tuesday Trump, your guess is as good as mine.

Just curious - was the word "promised" part of the report, and even if just "agreed" even if not "promised" was there a condition for such to happen, or not?

We actually don't know. (See comment #2.3, above).

North Korea State Media Is Claiming Tonight That Trump Promised To Lift Sanctions

And by the same token, Trump claimed N Korea is going to disarm-- give up their nukes. Trump trusts Kim Jung Un-- if fact he's been saying wonderflthings about him lately. 

I have a bridge to sell them. No-- two bridges actually-- one for the populations of the U.S., and one for the N Koreans!

(And another one as well-- the biggest bridge of all! And that's for the people on NT who actually believe whatever each of these two extremely virtuous men says!)

And by the same token, Trump claimed N Korea is going to disarm-- give up their nukes. Trump trusts Kim Jung Un-- if fact he's been saying wonderflthings about him lately.

For the past twenty years North Korea has said they will give up their nukes, psst, guess what, they haven't.

For the past twenty years North Korea has said they will give up their nukes, psst, guess what, they haven't.

I don't think they have ever said that, but if they did they were lying. But they do have some strong incentives to do so now, or face annihilation

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But they do have some strong incentives to do so now, or face annihilation

Really? You're willing to see a pissing contest between the U.S., China, Russia and, North Korea? 

Republicans new line on diplomacy: Do as we say or, we will start a nuclear war, WE WILL MAKE THE PLANET EARTH GLOW IN THE DARK AND, WE MEAN IT!

I don't think they have ever said that, but if they did they were lying. But they do have some strong incentives to do so now, or face annihilation

Actually they did. 

Agreed Framework between the United States of America and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea

October 21, 1994

Summary: Freeze of North Korean nuclear program, leading to denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, and initial Peace agreement between the United States and North Korea.

BTW, we were quite capable of annihilating NK in 1994 too and that hasn't changed over the years. So the 'incentives' haven't changed and I doubt that the duplicitous nature of NK has changed either.  

What has changed is who is in the WH. Trump and Kim are very similar- both over the top, self proclaimed alphas, that will say and maybe do whatever they want.  Kim might just be afraid that Trump will follow through on his threats.  Clinton (Bill not Hillary.  Hillary is far more militaristic than any other recent POTUS.  She never met a military engagement she didn't like.), Bush, and Obama- they wouldn't even think about it.

Again, there is nothing binding in what both sides signed. This is just the start, and could easily lead to no where.

But it is fun to watch the left melt down after they defended Obama to the hilt over the Iran deal.

Kim might just be afraid that Trump will follow through on his threats. Clinton (Bill not Hillary. Hillary is far more militaristic than any other recent POTUS. She never met a military engagement she didn't like.), Bush, and Obama- they wouldn't even think about it.

None of the others would have played the juvenile taunting 'game' that Trump did. 

The fact that NK's nuclear test site imploded after their last test [at least 200 died] has a hell of a lot more to do with Kim's pretense of having a desire to 'denuclearize' than his glad handing with Trump. 

He promised to move the Embassy to Jerusalem, and I believed him. That doesn't mean I believed anything else he said, but then anyone who believes everything anyone says is a fool. I don't need your bridge, I have offered a very valuable highway toll booth in China to many members here, and nobody took advantage of being a millionaire yet.

He said Mexico would 100% pay for the wall.  I didn't believe that.  He lies more than he tells the truth.  I wonder why anybody even cares what he says because its likely straight out of his ass.

I have no reason to care what he says, but if you're an American, you should care.

Trump secretly promised to lift the sanctions in return for a prime piece of North Korean beach front property for Uday and Qusay.

that earned a snicker and a grin

From January, 1967 until June, 1999, I was directly or indirectly involved in CONTRACT LANGUAGE WRITING, NEGOTIATIONS and ENFORCEMENT!

And I can state unequivocally, that only a DAMNED FOOL, AN INCOMPETENT OR A CON-ARTIST WOULD SIGN an "AGREEMENT" THAT FAILED TO STIPULATE  VERY SPECIFIC EFFECTIVE DATES AS TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT "AGREEMENT'S" PROVISIONS!

Every day, often, multiple times a day, Donald "Jess Willard" Trump, suckers the base that will praise him for anything he says or does as long as they see him as THE GREAT WHITE HOPE!

For now MAGA means My Attorney Got Arrested.  I am waiting for when it stands for My Ass Got Arrested.

This so-called "agreement" is a Trump, propaganda stunt with no teeth and no way to enforcement! 

But, hey, Trump-sycophants, here's a chance to put your metaphorical money where your "Trump-is-our-savior" mouths are.

Send a thousand dollars or more to my PAYPAL account (address provided upon request after signing the following agreement and posting it on NT:

I ________________________ (your name), hereby agree to send a One Thousand Dollar ($1,000.00) Minimum Payment to A. Macarthur's PAYPAL account upon his stipulated date and time; A. Macarthur agrees that the full amount of said payment may be repaid (this, at some undesignated time, based upon some undesignated terms).*

That's IT … who's in?

* Upon responding herein, and/or yelling at your monitor, i.e. "ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY, A. MAC? What fucking dope would sign on to such an agreement?"

After which, ask yourself why you haven't questioned Trump's similarly constructed agreement with Kim.

Trump has suckered a base comprised heavily of willing dupes that believes its own bullshit … and Trump is a master at playing to that bullshit. And every political bump-in-the-road placed there by reality-based criticism, Trump denigrates a race, nationality, political or other opponent, or, goes on the road to a rally of the bumper-sticker mindsets … at which he reminds them …

"WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A WALL … AND WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT … HE YELLS …

… "MEXICO," they yell and laugh and cheer … after which, they go their various ways, reminding themselves …

… "there's no collusion," "Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya," "Mexico … " well, you know … , and that, "Putin, Kim and other 'strong leaders' are Trump's role models because they murder, enslave, torture, rape … and … might assist in more stolen elections!

And a chicken-shit, Republican-controlled Congress will piss their pants when Jess Willard roars at them, because, if they grow a pair, the bigoted, xenophobic, misogynist mass of Orwellian "Oceania," will "primary" them in favor of some white-supremacist candidate!

__________________________________________________

Let the one-liners, the ad hominem font criticisms and accusations that I, and "… all liberals hate America!" … commence.

Or … surprise us and give some indication that, in the minds of Trumpians, not all complicated thoughts go there to die of loneliness.

"... MAY be repaid..."

Well assessed, Counselor …

Using that language you COULD have made it at a designated time and upon designated terms - after using the permissive and not mandatory word "may" nothing else was necessary unless you needed to gild the lily for those who don't comprehend the English language that well.

unless you needed to gild the lily for those who don't comprehend the English language that well.

And once again, counselor, you nailed it.

So far, only ONE TAKER for my agreement … a Donald Dennison from NYC.

He informed me that his attorney will be taking out a home loan to make the payment … *

* … as soon as he is released from prison.

....lawyers....

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."   (Shakespeare - Henry VI, Part 2)

I really wanted a T-shirt that said that to wear to the office.  Now I see they're available:

This so-called "agreement" is a Trump, propaganda stunt with no teeth

no teeth required. trump is just the impetus. now gravity will take over.

nk and sk will sign a peace treaty and after that we all will do a trade deal... it will be good fun for everyone

will sign a peace treaty and after that we all will do a trade deal... it will be good fun for everyon

And, all the unicorns will start dancing. 

If candidate Trump and President Putin had made a corrupt bargain which obligated President Trump to destabilize all U.S. security and trade alliances (especially NATO, which has been Russia’s primary strategic goal for 70 years) and advance the strategic interests of Russia, there’s really nothing more remotely realistic [Trump] could have done to accomplish that than what he has in fact done. Josh Marshall

I want to see the video trump showed Kim I expect it is a nice presentation of the monopoly trump envisions for upscale trump golf resort development in  conjunction with NK's government, how much of a piece does jivanka extract.