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Only douchebag Trump would put a picture of himself on his Instagram post to John McCain. pic.twitter.com/nU6BxBTHc0
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Mr Trump reportedly rejected the plan to issue an official White House statement praising Mr McCain for his acts of heroism during the Vietnam War.
Multiple White House aides, including Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Chief of Staff John F. Kelly, urged the president to release a statement calling the former POW a “hero” and thanking him for his service, according to The Washington Post .
But when Senator McCain died overnight at 81 years old after a battle with brain cancer, Mr Trump went against the suggestions of his senior aides and instead issued a short statement on social media.
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Taking to Instagram to express his sympathy to the grieving family of Mr McCain, the US President wrote: “My deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of Senator John McCain. Our hearts and prayers are with you!”
But the message lost any good intention when Mr Trump accompanied it with a photo of himself.
Next to the words, the President featured a full-length photo of himself looking pensively into the distance — and people are disgusted.
Mr Trump and Mr McCain had butted heads over recent years.
Mr Trump drew widespread condemnation during his 2016 presidential campaign when he questioned Mr McCain’s military service, claiming he liked people who had not been captured.
“He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured,” Mr Trump said at a campaign event in Iowa.
After his cancer diagnosis, Mr McCain continued criticism of what the long-time foreign policy hawk saw as an “unpatriotic” abdication of US leadership on the world stage, denouncing Mr Trump’s policies as “half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems”.
Mr McCain irked Mr Trump in July 2017 when he helped scuttle long-standing Republican efforts to overturn health care reforms implemented by former president Barack Obama.
This ended Mr Trump’s bid to repeal the health care reforms despite having allowed debate of the matter to move forward by returning to Congress just days after his cancer diagnosis.
Mr Trump later won a partial victory in his effort to repeal and replace Obamacare when its requirement that Americans buy health care insurance or face a fine was cancelled in another bill.
Many have taken to Mr Trump’s favoured form of communication, Twitter, to tell him directly that his post is insensitive and wrong.
Everyone who follows the news regularly is aware that McCain forbade Trump being invited to his funeral. That is better than any criticism of trump by the rest of us.
That's so awesome it needs to be posted 3 times!
<sigh. Here we go again with fake news. Trump wasn't "banned" from Barbara Bush's funeral. There are other sources with the same info if you don't like this one.
Regarding McCain's funeral wishes: It's common knowledge that since at least 2015, McCain held severe animosity toward Trump.
Excuses, excuses.....
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I gave you facts about sitting presidents either going or not going to former first ladies' funerals. It's not my problem that you don't like facts.
Say what you want about presidents attending funerals, the fact is Trump insulted numerous members of the Bush family, so of course he was not welcome there.
Well, that's a fact that will go over somebody's head
Senator McCain did his duty for his country. Can you say that, mr trump?
I'm glad the family forbids you from attending the funeral.
That was an awfully ignorant statement that never would have been made by someone who served.
Trump was WAY out of line on that one. Way out!
Thank-you for that
Agreed..............
I agree! I told my husband over the weekend that he should have just apologized for the ignorant comment, owned his eff up, say his mouth got ahead of him and he wasn't thinking when he said it. It wouldn't have made the comment any better, but McCain would have (maybe) respected him (and a lot of other people) for owning up to being and insensitive ass
No worries, just calling it like i see it. The guy was clearly being an ass making that comment
I'm sure many will disagree but this is just one more reason i think serving should be a requirement to be POTUS. The military is such an integral part of our country and NO WAY does a POTUS really begin to understand the military, if they never served in the military.
I know many politicians pay it lip service but i don't think many of them really care or really appreciate it. Not really. I hate what Trump said in this case but at least he was being honest with his thoughts. Most politicians will promise you dry shoes while they're pissing on them.
OMG!!!!
What's next cats sleeping with dogs?
We agree!
After his continual disrespect of this war hero, any vet who still supports Trump should be ashamed.
McCain was a big enough man to make an apology when he was wrong but Trump is not and never has been.
Well put but a guy can dream can't he?
If we should be ashamed every time a bureaucrat/politician we voted for/supported, somehow mistreated or disrespected active duty military or veterans, we all would be ashamed ..... a lot.
That said, Trump made a obtuse comment about McCain two years ago. I didn't like it then and i don't like it now but it's not the end of the world now anymore than it was then. And i know many Vets who feel the same way about it.
To each their own.
When the enemy discovered that McCain's father and grandfather were high ranking officers, they offered to free him long before the five years in order to use him as PR. He refused because his honor taught him that the first captured should be the first set free. That is called integrity. Trump has the integrity of a blob fish as well as the physical resemblance.
I had read that somewhere. He really was a man of integrity.
The news this morning recounted when his plane was shot down. Apparently he landed in a lake in the middle of Hanoi with 2 broken arms and a broken leg. He was lucky he didn't drown. Locals pulled him out of the lake and began beating him. They could have killed him but a soldier or a policeman (can't remember which) came upon the scene and took him to the Hanoi Hilton
I might have a few suggestions on the type of weaponry and ordinance to be used in Senator McCain's 21 gun salute, and in which direction they should be aimed.
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Look! More faux outrage!
nice to know you are protective of the asshole Trump
Spin this, the flag at the White House is not at half staff today,
Yet the flag over the Congressional building is still at half staff, hmmmm.
Oh, Jesus Christ, you know as well as I do if this had been any Democratic president you guys would be up in arms over this, Trump can tell the staff at the White House to fly the damn flag at half staff until after the funeral and, they would do it, he can also tell them not to fly it at half staff and, they would do it. Let's face it, Trump will not honor McCain at all,
Did he work in other federal buildings too? Every other federal building is flying their flags at half staff, yet, the White House isn't, also Trump won't use a White House statement on McCain that praises McCain, sounds to me like Trump is having a high school sophomore tantrum,
The flag should fly at half staff until the ceremonies connected with McCain lying in state at the Capitol building are concluded. A moron could figure that out, but Trump can't. Trump supporters just avoid reality. That is what they are best at.
[Removed] defend Trump no matter what he does and, then you come on here and, complain because of an article written by a VOX reporter stating that McCain was wrong for choosing Palin as a running mate, calling her all kinds of things and, when Trump dishonors McCain by not making a statement or, even flying the flag at half staff it's, "Hey, that's ok, he's just obeying the law." and, ya'all know that is nothing but, BULLSHIT.
Is there a mouse in your pocket that is helping you write this kind of shit?
Other federal offices are HONORING John McCain by flying the flag at half staff but, Trump can't be bothered because, McCain hurt his wittle feelings. Now, I fucking dare you to tell me that I'm wrong because, when you do you will be admitting that you think that Trump is above the law and, can do any fucking thing he wants, just like his butt buddy Putin.
Excellently researched and factual comment about US Flag Code, XD.
Perhaps that could be the "impeachable offense" they endlessly seek!
Thanks for such a mature reply, Galen. It's not surprising to see who "liked" it, too!
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Trump can issue an executive order to build a wall but he can't order the White House flag to fly at half staff?
ROFL. Trump could order the flag to fly at half staff if the White House pet parakeet died. All he does is issue a proclamation. He doesnt want to do it for McCain, that is the beginning and the end of it.
Get back to me when he resigns.
People who defend Donald Trump should be ashamed of themselves.
[deleted] That's why McCain didn't support Trump - because he was an honorable man and was unwilling to support a sociopathic traitor.
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TRUMP FIRST PAROLE HEARING IN 2020
Which he just did AFTER members of both parties howled
He is the POTUS? Is he not? OH! He is leading from behind, as usual.
That's all that the comment I responded to, deserved.
Trump and, his supporters are having a,
Hey i'm with you, I don't think that fucking retard should be in charge of anything at all. Maybe you can give us a specific list of things that trump is in charge of? I mean, does he have to swap out the tp roll when it's empty? Add peanut butter to the shopping list when the jar is empty? I mean, just so we can be clear... Thanks!
That is funny seeing the Anti-Trumpers have been crying all day over a flag.
I used to have a 2 year old that did that....
....She grew up
And, Trump has failed at all of them.
I remember seeing the video of Trump when reporters were asking for a comment on McCain's passing, Trump sat there with his arms folded across his chest and, a toddler pout on his face, it reminded me of my children when they didn't get what they wanted.
That's what we used to call "pulling a drag"
My lil princess used to do that in the store when she didn't get what she wanted
But does he have to change the TP roll or add things to the shopping list?
LOL my grandson does it now, he's six and, doesn't like it when he can't get everything he wants at the store Mom tells him no and, he "pulls a drag" the rest of the time he's in the store. Too funny.
That's jus it, Trump doesn't do anything different or, new, everything he does has been done by petulant children since the dawn of time.
Then get Trump to do something different, I'll talk about that.
Be great if the Democratic leadership did - oh, wait - they don't have any leadership.
It's nice to be a part of a party that doesn't require its members to walk in lockstep with the leaderships plans, like Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a Democrat".
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Will Rogers said a lot of witty things, that sure as shit wasn't one of them ...... he was probably drunk at the time .....
Maybe he was but, I doubt it and, I have to say that I have to agree with him. The Democratic Party has a loose relationship with its members, they don't require that they all walk in lockstep with the party line like the new Republican Party does, they value differences of opinion and, ways of running campaigns, that is why the local campaigns are more solvent than the national right now, we have until 2019 to start collecting for that one but, the locals are the main focus right now, taking back the House and, the Senate as well as governors seats and, local legislatures and, as you should know, those campaigns aren't all about Trump and, his agenda.
I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.
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You keep telling yourself that. Perhaps someday it will be true.
I've never belonged to either party and never will. Something i can agree with Will Rogers on.
Democrats ..... Republicans, it's all the same thing with a different bias. Bernie Sanders found that out. Do you think the Democratic party was "open," "inclusive" and "fair" with him?
Why yes, yes there is Tex, and I would be glad to lay it out for you. What Trump needed to do regarding McCain was...APOLOGIZE. He needed to sincerely apologize for ever impugning the character of this great American, and admit how outrageous his comment about McCain not being a hero because he was captured, was. Trump needs to completely and finally retract this comment, express profound regret about it, and beg the forgiveness of McCain's family and the entire country for ever saying it.
Tex, can you show me were I tried to tell you anything about CoC violations and, claimed to be a moderator? How many times have you and, others claimed that people had broken a CoC on this site and, not been a moderator? Are you a moderator on this site?
bet Money
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If he was calling me a liar he has used something that is derogatory so, I asked him if he did call me a liar to see if he would answer the question, he didn't answer the question he only tried to derail further so, I must either make the assumption that he did call me a liar or, let it go. I've been trying to let it go but, people keep commenting on it.
A man of honor and service to the Nation is lying in State before being heading to the US Capitol to lie in State, funeral services Saturday and all some can do is celebrate the current President not being invited to his funeral..
It seems as though there is rather Trump'esque behavior on displayed … I have read that there is a difference between celebrating an individuals life, and celebrating their death … think I see what that individual means now...
Sad that Senator McCain's funeral services are being politicalized in such a way ….. Mr. McCain himself asked that former President's Bush and Obama give eulogies .. to celebrate his ability to roll up his sleeves and get to work in a true bi partisan fashion, to celebrate the life of a man that was never afraid to speak his mind, nor afraid to take responsibility for his mistakes and admit he was wrong...
Rest in Peace Mr. McCain...
John McCain started it many months ago when, as a sitting US senator, he told his family that he didn't want the current POTUS to attend his funeral, thereby disrespecting the OFFICE of the POTUS.
LOL. The office of the POTUS was disrespected completely the moment Donald Trump set foot in it.
Thank you for posting yet another comment which iterates your opinion.
Don't people have the right to determine who they want at their funerals?
And just how many have done the same to NT John?
I seriously doubt the McCain's family would want a traitor to attend the funeral anyway.
Who cares? McCain served in the military honorably but was a terrible Senator who should have left a long time ago so a conservative could represent Arizona.
we don’t lower the flag for other pow’s. If it was for all it would be different
Wow..... The flag wasn't lowered at half staff for being a POW, he was a sitting Senator of the United States. You know, sometimes your posts make make me think and then others, like this, make me SMH..... You think he was a terrible Senator so the flag shouldn't be lowered? Did I misinterpret your post somehow?
You know, I can't remember because I was in 10th grade when Nixon died, but were flags lowered for him? I remember my dad telling me he wasn't going to get the huge send off like Reagan did because he didn't want it and didn't think he deserved it (my dads words), he laid in state at his library if I remember correctly. If flags were lowered, did he deserve it?
Yes, the flags were flown at half-staff and I think we got the day off (I was stationed in Texas at the time...but let me go look up when Nixon died....)
Yes...he died in 1994...I was pregnant with my youngest at the time
Thank you, I tried to research it. I was young and didn't have a constant 24 hr news cycle we have now. I mainly got the "news" from my dad, who BTW, loved Senator McCain. I hope they are having a beer together
Well, hell, I didn't get the day off from school! (I kid
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I remember that party.......er, wake.
The only reason the Trumpites and bitterly partisan Republicans view him with disdain is because he wasn't piss his pants afraid of the word "compromise" like they are. He was able to reach across a very divided aisle and actually get things done for the American people and he voted his conscience instead of holding the party line like so many pitiful sycophants wanted. I rarely agreed on the policies he supported, he pushed some terrible Republican bills, but he never stooped to being a pure ideologue as so many spineless Republicans have. When there was something that could help the American people, regardless of whether the idea originated with the Democrats or the Republicans, he would speak out and stand up for what he thought was best for America no matter the in-fighting and pointless partisan wars being raged in Washington. I think anyone with even a smidgen of intelligence and patriotism, regardless which side of the political divide, would be able to proudly salute this war hero and maverick of America.
When the country was in trouble because of the Wall Street Meltdown....he suspended his campaign and went back to DC to get some work done and try to save the country from a financial ruin
Hey, Trout, did he do that willingly or was that a ploy by GWB? I was still young when he was running against Obama, but I remember something about GWB calling both candidates to DC to "discuss" that issue if its the same thing I'm thinking of. If it is the same, I saw that on the news, and thought to myself "damn....I've never seen that shit before", Obama went but looked irritated as hell. I called my dad and he said Bush did it to halt campaigns for a "minute". Mind you, Daddy loved Bush, but thought this was BS
Young, but not that young LOL. I still watched the news, but was in my 20s. I still called my daddy to explain things LOL
I think McCain went on his own. And I'm not one to disparage Pres Obama but I think he went only because McCain did. It didn't seem like he wanted to suspend his campaign.
I really don't think it was a ploy by Bush, but the Sec of the Treasury then, Hank Paulson? was the driving force on getting everybody's butts in their seats for that vote
Um, McCain was a conservative. Just because he didn't vote or act EXACTLY the way YOU think a conservative should doesn't mean he wasn't one. FFS.
What I like about this is that Cindy McCain is in the running to replace him.
No shit? I hadn't heard that. If she is anything like her husband, she would be a good one.
I'll take that bet and, raise ya a general election choice.
Trump is total scumbag draft dodging narcissist, no redeeming qualities at all. I know his family only sits back and lets him loose because they don't want to be disinherited if they try to tell him what a loon he really is. He should have been put in a home not long before he ran for office but the family dare not do the right thing because they would lose money.
Trump Ignores Questions About John McCain’s Legacy
Trump ignored several questions about his thoughts on John McCain’s legacy at a White House press pool Monday, according to Jonathan Karl, an ABC News Chief White House Correspondent.
Karl wrote on Twitter that Trump “heard me” but “did not answer.”
Noah Gray of CNN also tweeted that the president ignored Karl, but added that he ignored the question “three or four times.”
“President Trump was asked if he had “any thoughts on the legacy of John McCain” just now in the oval. “He ignored three or four times.”
President Trump reportedly also rejected sending out a statement praising Sen. John McCain, opting instead to write a short tweet. According to the Washington Post , Trump decided against releasing the statement, despite calls from his senior aides, including press secretary Sarah Sanders and Chief of Staff John Kelly.
He is a man child that never heard the word NO.....he's a POS
Awe the poor little snowflake felt he was entitled to a answer?
These poor Anti-Trumpers get dumber every day.
Nobody owes his crybaby ass a reply to any question.
Once again the fascist, gotcha Left thinks that Trump owes them an answer to every question no matter what it is or when or how it's asked. It is so long past time to get over yourselves.
i have read the comments above and its clear that one group gets it and another doesn't.
so this is one of the biggest groups and if they suggest that president trump is lacking in tact and patriotism then i will defer to this group.
sadly this is another screw up by a man who just cant see further then his face and doesn't understand how he offends others just because he doesn't take into consideration anyone elses input or suggestion.
and sure enough...someone put a bug in his ear to put the flag back to half-staff. Again a decent president, much less a decent man, doesn't have to be told, he knows better.
McCain's spokesman just read McCain's final words to the nation, and it says in part:
Good news - Trump just caved. Presumably one of his aides must have felt embarrassment for him.
And the formal proclamation:
This is what I thought of when I read this, canned responses.
Yeah because President Trump really cares what the crybaby Anti-Trumpers are whining about.
Maybe He was to busy doing Presidential things to worry about what the snowflakes where about today?
It would seem, according to his supporters, that Trump is the only president that can't do two things at one time. Maybe, your support is misplaced?
Why because of your opinion? Bahahahahah
Just an FYI In real news that matters to those not crying about a flag the President made a better deal with Mexico in are trade agreements today.
Now you can get back to the news that matters...…..flags.
No, because of yours.
You said this,
You must think he can't do more than one thing at a time to write something like that.
He will when the hearings start....if he doesn't resign in disgrace before then.
Where did I say that?
Don't try to put words in my mouth.
Like I said you can get back to your discussion that matters....flags.
I heard if you hold your breath it will happen sooner.
When it happens doesn't matter to me, but it will happen.
Have you been holding your breath instead of reading?
Here's some recent news, Cohen, who was not only Trump's attorney he was also a VP of the Trump Co. Recently convicted on felonies has already said he will testify without a deal and will refuse a pardon from the corrupt president.
Then you have Mr. Weisselberg, he's been the CFO of the Trump Co. longer than Trump has run it. He's also the CFO of the Trump Foundation. Did I mention his balls are locked in a federal vise and has taken an immunity deal to testify?
Let's not leave David Pecker out of this...He's the chair of the Enquirer and has a treasure trove of "catch and kill" dirt on Trump.
Did I mention David Pecker's pecker is also in a federal vise and agreed to an immunity deal to sing also?
Now, let's top that off with the NYS AG case also involves his kids...
Here's the BEST part...Trump can't pardon himself or his kids out of that one....he's only good for federal pardons, not state.
How much longer after those hearings do you think his political survival will be?
Still think I'll turn blue begore that comes to play?
My guess is John Kelley convinced him to lower the flag until Sunday. He also got pressure from the American Legion regarding the flag.
As to who wrote that tweet? Who knows.....
The attention paid to his legacy, and the adulation for McCain is going to drive President Bonespur batty!
Keep pretending you didn't say that but, everyone on here can read your words regarding this and, they know, you said it.
That surprises me.
The place must be crawling with Trumpanzees.
Tweeting insults at anyone who dares to question anything he does, staring at his daughter's ass, golfing, calling people to talk about the crowd size at his inauguration and remind them that there was 'no collusion.'
Notice how fast KD has disappeared? Now, if one were not trying to bullshit themselves and us too one would stay and offer facts but.......
Boy, life is pretty good when this is the shit people complain about.
So much is made of him not being welcome at the funeral. It's not like he would have gone anyway - even if he were welcome. Presidential attendance at a funeral is rare, especially for a "mere" Senator.
Actually, the most disgusting thing happening in relation to John McCain's death is the way leftists and the media now want to pretend that they loved and respected the man and that they feel some great sense of loss.
Hypocrites! You treated that man like absolute dog shit when he ran for president and any time he spoke out or voted for something you didn't like. You do not get to pretend like you give a shit about John McCain now.
LOL. Even McCain's Vietnamese captor issued a more heart-felt statement than Trump did, and that guy really did treat McCain like he was dog shit. At least one of Trump's aides was belatedly able to write something decent and convince Trump to sign it.....but only after GOP leaders and the American Legion were howling in outrage.
From the NBC link above:
And you are whining about people whining about trumptard... Hypocrite much?
LOL.....I think I'm the first person here to give the Trump regime credit for trying to correct an unforced error. But that doesn't mean one can't analyze why Trump felt the need to make that correction.
As I noted elsewhere I'm amazed that any vet would support a true douchebag like Trump.
What specifically is wrong with the statement? What do you think the president should have said? Do we have previous examples we could look to instead of just taking your word about what is appropriate language?
You mean the one which gave no praise to McCain for his accomplishments?
Not this vet
That's quite the sweeping generalization there Tacos. I'm what you would call a leftist (dem) and actually had quite a bit of respect for Senator McCain. As a military person myself (and my entire family going back generations) there is much respect for what he went through as a POW. (we fought in the same war)
Additionally Senator McCain was a life long advocate for Native Americans and the longest serving member of the Senate Committee on Indians Affairs. Twice serving as it's chairman. As a Native this is important for me. We did not agree on many items but I never doubted that he was a honest, honorable man. Something that currently lacking in this administration, IMO.
Senator McCain always had America's back. He was a true American patriot. Unlike many that claim to be or represent themselves as patriots.
So Tacos that is the opinion of a leftist on Senator McCain.
I did not vote for Senator McCain, but when we lived in Las Vegas we did support a local man running for congress that Senator McCain campaigned for in LV. My wife met Senator McCain and he was quite the gentleman and she was duly impressed.
So there you have it Tacos.
Ditto. I doubt there was much of anything I'd agree with McCain on from a policy standpoint and I think he had several serious character flaws like his anti-LGBT views, his selective support for terrorists like the MEK and the Contras, and his involvement in the Keating 5 scandal. But he was usually able to recognize when he was wrong and correct his mistakes, even to the point where he actually opposed Trump's efforts to boot transgender soldiers out of the military. And his vote against Trump's effort to repeal the ACA showed that he put country over party.
My favorite senator is still Russ Feingold (even though he's been out of office since 2011) and he wrote a good memoriam about his friend and colleague:
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Also on the subject of McCain's character it turns out he called Khizr Khan and his wife shortly after Trump had publicly disparaged them. And then he wrote a very public condemnation of what Trump said:
Well, of course it is.
Good, I'm glad to hear it. If what I said doesn't apply to you, then don't worry about it. I am aware that there are leftists in the world who genuinely had respect for McCain before he died. There should be because I believe that one of the great things about him was that he generally put principle and country before party. That means that at various points, he would have supporters on either side of the aisle.
But there were also a lot of people - particularly in media - who have been very disrespectful to him over the years. To those people who now want to pretend they always liked him - mainly because he feuded with Trump - I direct my accusation.
I never worry about what people say. I do like to point out that comments that seem to include all member of one party are pretty much BS.
Yes there are a lot of people on the right that attacked Obama with no let up...It works both ways Tacos.
LOL, you seem not to understand the difference in politics and, appreciation of someone's service. I can disagree with someone on policy and, politics but, I can also respect and, admire them for their service to this country. McCain and, I didn't agree on much, politically but, we did agree on one thing, nothing is more important than faith in this country and, in order to have faith in this country and, be a leader in any government office one must be honest, not just with the people but, with yourself and, that to me is where John McCain made his "bones", honesty, if he saw that something was wrong he spoke up about it, if he saw it was right, he spoke up about it, that is what this president doesn't understand about him.
In McCain's last attempt to become president I would have voted for him, if he hadn't picked Palin for a running mate, other than his VP pick and, his thoughts on Iran, I had no complaints with were he was coming from and, I think that once he was in office he would have seen the error of starting a war with Iran at that time.
I think that's a shame because he was miles and miles more worthy to be president than Barack Obama and I think we would have gotten a lot more done in those eight years than we did. The way he could work both sides of the aisle, I also think the political mood in this country would be very different today.
Why was he "more worthy"....because McCain was a white guy?
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That's quite likely true given that the reactionary right wing reacted very poorly to the fact of a black president. Several studies since the 2016 election have shown that Trump was elected by the EC is large part due to white racial resentment and racial anxiety.
No because he had more experience and new the inner workings of the federal government .
Why is it always race with you all?
Obviously that "experience" didn't give him good judgement on foreign policy issues since he was a huge advocate of the illegal invasion of Iraq and a supporter of various terrorist groups like the MEK and the Contras. Nor did it give him good judgement on military personnel issues since he opposed the open service of LGBT soldiers. And it certainly didn't help him when it came to basic civil rights issues since he opposed marriage equality.
On pretty much every policy issue McCain was wrong and Obama was right.
I don't think that this is true, Obama had as much experience, if not more than another president that we had that did very well in office, of course that president wasn't obstructed by the other party like Obama was from inauguration day till the end of his presidency.
Well, of course, the Right wouldn't have obstructed him like they did Obama for eight years and, there wouldn't have been all the fake investigations that there were during Obama's Administration, even if the same things happened, which they would have.
Well, I don't know about that, especially if the Tea Party had gotten as many candidates in office as it did during Obama's time in office, McCain was opposed to the Tea Party thought process.
If McCain had won in 2008 I don't think there would have been a Tea Party. That little club was all a reaction to Obama's election
Actually, the Tea Party started before Obama was elected, the movement was in full swing by the time McCain won the nomination, in fact Palin was its leading spoke person at the time. Remember the little old lady at the McCain rally? She was part of the Tea Party.
I don't remember that very well. I remember Palin became one of their spokespersons AFTER the election
Sure Skrekk, you got me. It's because he was white. /s
What an imbecilic comment.
Didn't you just agree with the comment that McCain was an honest and honorable man? Didn't you just support a comment that basically said he was worthy of everyone's respect? And then you turn around and say stupid crap like I supported him because he was white. Un. Believable.
The fact that you feel the need to weave race into something like this tells everyone a lot more about you than it doesn't about me.
Why don't you answer the question that was just put to you?
By virtue of his incredibly undistinguished time in the Illinois State Senate? He was a US Senator for what? a little over a year before he decided to run for president? John McCain had already been a senator for 20 years and was in the House for four years before that.
Obama had virtually no experience on national issues, no experience leading people (like some of our generals turned presidents), no experience bringing together people with opposing views (like John McCain and other Congressional leaders) no experience as an executive (like so many governors who have been president).
Obama had zero experience as a leader or a builder of consensus and that's a huge reason why I didn't vote for him. And when you look at his performance in those areas, I wasn't wrong.
Oh, for sure. But under a McCain administration, it's likely Democrats would have gotten a lot more things they wanted than Republicans could have hoped for under Obama.
That is your opinion and it is worth less than I paid you for it.
Going to answer the question?
doncha know they are "fine" upstanding christian values family....LOLOLOLOLOLOL
....trashy hillbillies.
wait ... now it's only the liberal minded ? really ? have you read post 11.3.3 (and below it) from one of your conservative minded brethren ? i'm sure you'll want to ask that poster "why is it always race with you all?", right ?
I know hillbillies that have more class in their pinky toes than the whole Palin clan melted together
Ummmm....whether McCain had my respect has nothing to do with the motives of you or anyone else. I also see that you made no effort to support your claim that McCain was "more worthy" of the presidency than Obama, despite the fact that on so many issues Obama was right and McCain was dead wrong.
That's because several political science studies (and history) show that for conservatives it usually is about race or at least about racial anxiety and a fear of losing status. That's why today they support the racist King of the Birthers and it's why the Tea Party groups had such a strong element of racism. Of course it's not ALL about race and white supremacy - there's certainly also a strong element of anti-LGBT nuttery, Islamophobia, xenophobia, misogyny and Christian Dominionism.
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Right, that's why we see conservatives so often using racist and xenophobic tropes like attributing crime to undocumented immigrants, referring to black folks as "thugs", and finding all manner of excuses to ignore or denigrate civil rights protests.
If conservatives made an effort to be less anxious about race and a little more aware of racial issues they might find that some non-white folks would actually vote for the GOP. Instead what we see today is that the GOP's racism and Islamophobia are motivating all kinds of minorities into political action against the GOP. For example:
And I see you're still as bad at reading the thread as ever. I detailed those thoughts in 15.3.14 , just a few posts up.
I guess I'm sorry I missed that comment. I'm curious what sweeping generalizations could be so objectionable when the comment is sandwiched by sweeping generalizations from someone else.
Is that to cover all the people of color who are conservative? Preach on race guru!
Cute, you can use the exact same thing for Hillary Clinton voters. Of course you would need to list each option twice- since she is twice the failure.
Ya know, during the election cycle, the right claimed they couldn't wait for the election to be over so they wouldn't have to hear about Hillary anymore. The election was over damn near 2 years ago and the right is STILL bringing her up DAILY. I tend to believe that it's because they now realize that they elected one of the worst human beings on the planet and all they can do is deflect, blame others, point fingers, etc.
I think you need to accept reality. You have a republican president, republican congress, republican special counsel and one republican after another is either being indicted, pleading guilty or running as far away from trump as they can.
The days of blaming the democrats? OVER. Our entire government is run by republicans, accept it. It's what you wanted so defend it without the, "but.......but.......but....CLINTON!!!!!!". She isn't even a government employee anymore, give it a rest.
Yeah....I wonder how that "winning" is working out for them
I do:
- Unemployment down
- Productivity up
- Taxes down
- Stock market up
- Consumer confidence up, except for small sector of haters looking for four leaf clovers in left field
- Retail sales up
- Etc, etc
All accepted and i say go Republicans. So do a lot of other people regardless of what left wing pontificators here on NT spew. Thats just a whole shitload of partisan hatred getting vomited out by the same people here, day in and day out. It's a lot of left wing mental masturbation thats all but i'm sure those folks feel better for a little while.
So good job .... congrats! Get ready to lose your ass again in the mid terms because of it. I highly doubt you will make the historically normal gains as the minority party. Highly doubtful .....
I think they are like the dems, still waiting for the winning to start. Trump's presidency has been one massive failure after another.
Did you see the other day trump said his approval rating was 90%? Who was he polling exactly? David Duke, Kellyanne CONway, Sarah Sanders and Devin Nunes?
Dude, you do realize that almst literally everything you listed did the exact same thing under Obama....right?
Did you know that Obama proposed tax cuts for the middle class 3 times in 8 years? Wanna guess who shot those cuts down...every time? Hint: It was the republicans. Why? Because the cuts didn't cut the taxes for the rich... True story, go look it up. But please, do keep telling us how trump is in it for the middle class... LOL
Exactly, and Obama was also the Deporter-in-Chief and solved the illegal migration problem. Never mind trying to tell the right wing dingbats any of this though, their heads are all buried deep.
- Unemployment down- Productivity up
Under Obama: Unemployment dropped 10%
Under Trump: 0.8%
- Taxes down
President Obama signed an $858 billion tax cut deal. It extended the Bush tax cuts through 2012 and unemployment benefits through 2011. It cut payroll taxes by 2 percent, adding $120 million to workers' spendable income. It extended a college tuition tax credit. It also included $55 billion in industry-specific tax cuts .
Trump cuts: Economists Tim Mahedy and Dan Wilson said in a letter released on Monday that the $1.5 trillion tax cuts passed by the Republican-dominated Congress in 2017 will likely boost the economy less than some predicted, and the trims might not do anything at all. The top 1% will get 22% of the tax benefits, 60% going to the top 5% of wealthiest Americans.
- Stock market up
Under Obama it recovered from 6,624 to 20,068 an increase of 13,444
Under Trump it's gone from 20,068 to 26,049 an increase of 5,981
- Consumer confidence up, except for small sector of haters looking for four leaf clovers in left field
Under Obama it went from 34 to 96 an increase of 62 points
Under Trump it went from 96 to 122 an increase of 26 points
- Retail sales up
Under Obama it went from $289 billion to $395 billion an increase of $106 billion
Under Trump it's gone from $396 billion to $445 billion an increase of $49 billion
- Etc, etc
Yeah, we can see the numbers and Obama outperformed Trump in every category. All Trump has done is built upon the successes of the Obama administration.
Dude, not even close to the same thing. For example, how many fed rate increases were there during the Obama admin?
How much qualitative easing has happened in the last two years?
Black unemployment was never this low during his reign, etc, etc
Sorry dude but you’ve got nothing but disingenuous rhetoric on this topic.
Coming off the Great Recession, with all the federal bailouts and qualitative easing, Obama would have had to be a total idiot to not bring it back from that recent historical low.
Therfore your entire post is basically a non sequitur and not honestly comparable in a realistic sense.
He read the poll wrong, but you knew that. LOL!
Trump and McCain hated each other; they didn't respect each other; and they sure as hell didn't put aside their political differences over anything for any reason.
So what do you expect Trump to do- stop being Trump? Put out some bullshit statement that the left, and even many on the right, would call out. No matter what statement Trump made the left wouldn't find it acceptable; so to quote Hillary, "at this point, what difference does it make?"
This statement might be the most truthful/sincere thing Trump has put out ever. I will give him a very slight nod for that.
I have been pondering this "hero" thing for a couple days now and in my mind, could NOT come up with a "why". Captured, as were several others. Tortured, as were several others. And I ran across this post on another forum that REALLY makes one think. Let me know what you think AFTER your read it and let it soak in..............
"Liberals have no answer as to why we should be honoring McCain more than any other Senator."
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The final line in the movie, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" is apropos:
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"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
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Heroes often are manufactured. Many, like John McCain, are manufactured through self-promotion.
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The only reason John McCain became a hero was because he was the son of an admiral and the grandson of an admiral. No one knows the names of the REST of the POWs imprisoned with him and what THEY endured.
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And McCain's family and his privileged upbringing is the only reason he was still flying when was shot down. He'd already crashed three planes -- and possibly destroyed two more. If it weren't for his family, he'd already have been grounded and possibly cashiered.
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There are similarities between John McCain and Donald Trump. BOTH have manufactured images -- McCain's of a war hero and Trump's of a savvy businessman. And the fastest way to earn the unending enmity and ire of EITHER is to suggest (or demonstrate) that their manufactured images aren't reality.
Well like i've said in here several times, i didn't like the man, disagreed with him much of the time but still respected him for his service. Always will. The issue here isn't so much that he's being recognized for some of the things he's gone through but rather that others who went through the same things (or worse) are not being recognized.
For some reason we tend to elevate people in positions like his, actors, athletes, etc to higher social status. Much to our own detriment in my opinion. They are just people like the rest of us and just as flawed, sometimes more. They aren't bad people but rather .... just people.
Morning Jim ole buddy ole pal .. did you slip a lil self promotion in your Fruit loops during breakfast, then trip and hit your head hard...?
I do not know what makes a hero, was John McCain a hero (?) he certainly did not think so - was that part of his manufactured image? Mr. McCain said many times that others were far braver, that he witnessed others suffer through the torture and not cave as he did. Although his family could have had Mr. McCain released from captivity long before the 5 and 1/2 years were up - McCain chose to stay with his fellow prisoners (that flat out takes brass ones!) Did he do so in order to one day join the Senate? Or did he remain behind to create a future where he could not raise his hands above his shoulders?
Self promoted manufactured image - yeah, I will agree that is Trump … McCain not so much!
Don't think he had much choice. It was the recognition GIVEN TO HIM more than likely in his bid to run for Senate by his campaign. Much the same as John Kerry's "self promotion" was probably given to him (although Mr. Kerry didn't hesitate reminding us all of his Viet Nam service) I am not discounting any of them, including Mr. Trump as he has successfully become POTUS..........hyped or not, seems embellishment is the "point du jour" in politics. JMHO baby cakes...........
Huh? Darlin' baby cakes, you do know that McCain left his military service after 25 years in 1981 .. in 1982 won a seat in the House of Representatives, later becoming a Senator in 1987 .. right?
Hero, not a hero .. does it really make a difference? McCain was a man that I believe children should be reading about in history book - an American that loved his country, fought for our freedoms in a unpopular 'war' .. was held captive and came home to serve the Nation. Albeit, he could be as partisan as everyone else .. he reached across the divide and worked with the opposition to achieve success …
Mr. John McCain does not have to be a 'Hero' in order to be respected and revered as a great American leader .. just by being the man that he was!
Peace my friend - ya know we are never going to agree on this .. and I do believe that your comments are for shock value -- but I like you anyways : )
Honey, can't agree with you more. Just because someone questions the definition of hero does NOT mean I had no respect for what he did and was...........at all. And you know you had my heart at hello.........
So ya just wanted to read me preach'n .. : )
I struggle with the definition of Hero myself .. as to whether or not McCain is a Hero, after this conversation, YES I think he was, he stayed with his fellow prisons at the 'Hilton' which took far more than courage, it also took a great love for his fellow man and country to remain captive. McCain earned the respect that was given him the hard way..
Just my opinion, as always : )
As I've mentioned before, I disagreed with most of the policies Mccain supported, but I have always recognized that yes, he was a hero just as every single one of our military men and women who put their lives on the line to defend America and our allies are. And in his case he was tortured and then told he could return home because he was a high profile POW but he refused to leave without the rest of those being held with him. Politics aside, any patriot would have to admit that his self sacrifice and service are enough to define him as a hero. I believe anyone challenging that record who hasn't gone through it themselves is doing so purely based on petty partisan politics and diminishing him all because he wouldn't bend to an incompetent, petulant narcissist that has blinded a third of the nation with faux indignation, fluffery and flattery for bigots and white nationalists appealing to the lowest common denominator by telling them what they so desperately want to hear.
Ummmm...because he's the one most recently deceased?
this article belongs in METAFIED!!!
Vic,
Metafied is meant for member meta. I am not sure what you mean.
Sorry, I'm not in the mood to explain it
In other words, you can't.
ugh, always the teacher. Please stop while you're so far ahead. Thank you.
Both Perrie & SP know exactly what I'm talking about
what in the world are you talking about ?
Trump is Narcissus reborn.