Two men say they, not Brett Kavanaugh, had alleged sexual encounter with Christine Ford
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The Senate Judiciary Committee has questioned two men who say they, not Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, had the disputed encounter with Christine Blasey Ford at a 1982 house party that led to sexual assault allegations.
The revelation was included in a late-night news release by Sen. Chuck Grassley, the top Republican on the committee. The release includes a day-by-day view of the committee's investigative work over the last two weeks since allegations surfaced targeting Kavanaugh.
Ford was the first to step forward with allegations and claimed Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed, groped her and attempted to pull off her clothes while both were high school students in 1982. Since then a number of accusations have piled on, including that of a physical assault and several other sexual encounters.
Kavanaugh has repeatedly denied all the allegations lodged against him.
The committee has interviewed two men who came forward about the disputed assault at a summer house party. Both told the committee they, not Kavanaugh, "had the encounter with Dr. Ford in 1982 that is the basis of his complaint," the release states.
The previously unknown interviews could add a new layer to the evolving saga on the eve of a possible explosive hearing between Kavanaugh and Ford, though it's unknown whether the men's claims are being taken seriously.
One of the men was interviewed twice by committee staff. He also submitted two written statements, one on Monday and a second, more in-depth statement on Wednesday.
Committee staff spoke to a second man over the phone Wednesday who also said he believed he, not Kavanaugh, had the disputed encounter with Ford. "He explained his recollection of the details of the encounter" to staff, the release states.
Both men were not named. USA TODAY was not able to independently vet the claims.
The committee has said it is investigating all claims made in the Kavanaugh saga, attempting to "make sure no stone was left unturned."
In this regard, the committee has also questioned Kavanaugh about a series of anonymous allegations, including a physical assault on a woman in the 1990s.
The release also outlines a number of others the committee has interviewed, including friends of Kavanaugh and those who know the women who have lodged accusations against him.
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This certainly throws a twist into the memory mixer.
Only if you're going to fall for this idiotic last-ditch stunt. It's either gullibility in the extreme or something much less savory.
One idiotic stunt deserves another. The gullible must love company if the left believes these women allegations are true.
If the two men had more details like when, where, and how she fled home they have her story beat. Of course she would have to believe details to refute their claim. Details she can't come up with.
I am not for Kavanaugh being on the Supreme Court; but what the left are doing now is just plain wrong.
Oh, gawd.. thank you for another comically ridiculous comment. You must have a million of 'em.
Vote to confirm now
There is no way that man will be a member of SCOTUS.
And if he is confirmed? The GOP will lose the house and the senate in November.
They also said that Trump would never be president .
True, but look at how he got there (Putin help) and how many close associates are now in or facing jail. At some point it will all catch up with him, and one day it will with Kavanaugh, and he will pay his price, and doubt he'd stay on SCOTUS if they manage to ram him through. Women for the most part will not be happy if they force a vote. A bunch of angry old white men defending a belligerent, angry and uncooperative white guy, none of whom will allow other witnesses or open up the FBI investigation to deal specifically with these allegations. When Kavanaugh was testifying it was easy to see him as a mean drunk.
They also said that man would never travel faster than the speed of sound.
Graham dismisses two men who claim Ford may have mistaken Kavanaugh for them
"One’s crazy as a loon. I don’t believe the other one. I’m not going to play this game," Graham said on "CBS This Morning."
“You don’t believe either of these men who said they attacked Dr. Ford?” anchor Norah O'Donnell asked.
"Yes, I don’t believe that," Graham responded.
Desperate deporables that's all. They should be fined!!!
Wells since they are anonymous, that impossible to make a personal judgement, yet it sounds like Graham has looked into it and he thinks they are full of shit.
You know what they say about opinions and assholes.
READ MORE CAREFULLY.
Obtuse.
So the fact that they are anonymous and that a Senator on the Judicial Committee, who desperately wants Kavanaugh on the court, says they are lying is 'pointless'. Got ya.
Graham found them NOT CREDIBLE.....
You call Ford a liar because she is a WOMAN and think these 2 jerkwads are being truthful because they are MEN.....that's rich.
That's pretty ironic coming from a woman, isn't it?
Yes, surprisingly so because honestly I thought texan was a guy.
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Ditto.
No. I know you couldn't possibly be that gullible. So it has to be desperation.
Really? So what are their names?
Names? Link to documents?
They didn't 'testify' to ANYONE...
Obviously not since you have yet to cite their names or post a link to the supporting documents.
What proof do you have that those two men requested confidentiality?
That is over a three day period...
Now HERE is the kicker...
Grassley referred the guy who contacted Whitehouse with a FALSE allegation about Kavanaugh.
Grassley decries that making false allegations against Kavanaugh wasted their time and resources. But NOT A PEEP about the 'two men' that Graham called 'Crazy as a loon'. Where is Grassley's outrage about their wasting the time and resources of the committee with false allegations trying to attack the credibility of Ford with their BS 'mistaken identity' claims?
WTF are you talking about?
BTW, I could find out if you want to pay the county registration fee.
You are the one that made the assertion...
Nope, they were talking about Ford mistakenly identifying Kavanaugh.
READ Grassley's letter. He sites that his FALSE allegation is a violation of federal law. They ALSO made FALSE allegations.
If there was a shred of evidence supporting their BULLSHIT, Graham would be screaming it from the mountain tops instead of calling them 'Crazy as loons'.
PAY ATTENTION.
a·non·y·mous
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ADJECTIVE
(of a person) not identified by name ; of unknown name .
English is fundamental...
BTFW,
Graham was just interviewed live on TV. He just doesn't believe anyone other than the nominee.
He's been fidgeting and be a wee bit disruptive during the hearings, telegraphing his impatience and intolerance of the same, especially during the last hour..
As my bride often says " one can literally hear his eye rolls clear across a crowded room".
( she's most often talking about me
)
Spartacus......AGAIN..... "feels hers and all of Americas pain" on this. He's putting on the record....Pro Ford personal letters. The same tactic the Democrats used during the Obamascare procedure.
Just another tear jerking movie ……. "I feel your pain 3".
Obama had the 2.
Who would have thought all these macho men would have such a histrionic streak in them. They should have put fainting couches in the hearing room.
Why would you voluntarily come forward and confess to a thing like this?
Desperate lying republican scumbags will do anything to derail Dr. Ford's testimony. Besides, it's a risk-free gambit. No harm, other than ridicule, will come to them as long as this lie isn't made under oath (and you can be sure it will not be made under oath).
Right--death threats and being forced to go into hiding by scumsucking pigs who who are on your side on this issue is "no harm."
Thousands of people are in JAIL right now without one corroborating witness testifying against them...
BTFW, if a woman is raped in the forest and no one witnesses it, did it happen? /s
Which will sit in a police evidence locker to decay for decades...
When they turn themselves into Maryland LEO's, I've take it into consideration.
I'll leave that to Avenatti's client...
BTW, the Maryland statute of limitations is passed for attempted rape.
Maryland has no statute of limitations for Sexual Assault
READING is fundamental.
I have heard somewhere that the SOL does not apply to victims who were minors. I'm too lazy to check, but I invite others to look into it.
Does that guy ever scare the shit out of trumpsters and for good reason. He's got Scumbag in his sights for bribery to keep her quiet and he's already taken down Scumbag's personal attorney in the process. There are still shoes waiting drop on all of this steaming pile of corruption.
This sounds a little....hmmm...fishy....why would two people admit to sexually assaulting someone if their names were never mentioned, and how were they found and how did you get not one but both to admit to it. I do not know or communicate with anyone i knew in 1980, much less am i willing to admit to a crime i may have committed with them....this is seriously, blunt in your face, smoke and mirrors. Its quite sad.
I find it interesting that accusers are believed as soon as they tell their stories...and this report about two men claiming to be responsible for the assault on Dr. Ford are to be summarily dismissed.
Their statements are with the committee...are they corroborated or will they testify? That is an unknown - for the additional accusers and these two.
They aren't being 'summarily dismissed', Graham characterized one of them as a 'crazy loon', which infers that he at least looked into them and made an educated judgment on their lack of credibility.
I find it interesting that you seem to think that their testimony is relevant. What say you about Mark Judge being subpoenaed?
It would seem that Lindsey Graham is trying to make a name for himself like John McCain since McCain died. However, his actions in that meeting today are certainly are far from how McCain would have acted, and still got his point across.
For years Graham was McCain's 'Water Boy', and I guess now he feels that he can make a name for himself. But, that name looks more like it will be mud no matter how much he cozies up to Trump now.
I will say one thing for him though. He does know how to put on a great show. And the one that he put on for Kavanaugh today in that meeting should get a Noble Peace Prize. However, I am sure that won't be able to happen until Trump gets his.
Just my own opinion.
As you mentioned, his "performance" at the hearing on Thu put an end to any doubt that Little Lord Lindsey was anything but a political stooge for "president" Scumbag.
Follow the money, I wonder how much these two idiots were paid to make the claim. Pretty convenient that these two just happened to surface at the right time, in the right place. And where is Judge? Why is the GOP hiding him from testifying? Weird.
Indeed it would be interesting to know how much those two guys were paid to suddenly come up and say they were the two perps not Kavanaugh. It must have been a bunch to get them to shame not only themselves, but, their own family, and taint their reputations at their own place of work for who knows who long. To say nothing of the legal prosecution they could also face due to the offense. Any why did they wait this long to come forward? Seems money does talk loud and clear when the amount seems worth it.
Just the save the a$$ of a pervert so that the GOP could have their own man in the SCOTUS? After all, it would be their first one. However, I don't think the FBI will buy it. No matter how much Trump, Kavanaugh and the GOP try to cover it up.
Even if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it's really hard to make people who are not blinded by party loyalty to believe it is a duck and not a shark.
Just my own opinion.
2 Go Fund me sites raised over $500,000 this afternoon.
Ford has done the entire country a great service. Hopefully she'll get some small measure of justice from Kavanaugh's defeat, a bit more when he's removed from the DC COA.
What she did took balls.
She'll get some large measure of cash, that's for sure.
Yes. And... Yes.
Next.....
And the two fools willing to take the fall for the guys who won't remember who they are in a month won't?
Moved twice and in hiding? Private security and two DC lawyers who ordered an FBI level lie detector test?
That money is already earmarked or gone.
Dollars to donuts the lawyers set up the Go Fund Me sites....to cover their own asses.
Not like she will, no. She'll be the darling of the leftist media. She'll be on The View, Rachel Maddow, Ellen Degeneres, Seth Meyers. There will be lecture fees...a book deal... Oh yeah. She's set for life.
Not a chance. She'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
Actually they're both doing it pro bono, although certainly the security an additional housing costs and other expenses would come out of that fund.
Oooo, a new smear tactic: Baseless insinuation that she's being secretly financed to bring these charges. Predictable and, of course, scummy as usual.
Good for her. Kavanaugh's backed by billionaires like the Koch bros. so she'll need the money. Nice that it's right out in the open like this and not hidden. Another testimony to her honesty.
Yeah, Kavanaugh's.
It's amazing to see what the betting markets have done since Kavanaugh began his opening statement.
They gave him a 37% percent chance before his statement to 66% chance as of close of questioning.
Insanely well done.
I can see why even his friends say that he's a mean drunk. Definitely not SCOTUS material. Not federal judge material either.
All things being equal...
Ford appears to be genuine.
Kavanaugh appears to be genuine.
I wish he had admitted to a bit more teenage foolishness and I
wish that he had remained calm in the face of these stresses.
His emotional outburst(s), tears, choking, voice cracking and especially his remarks about the "Clinton conspiracy" to bring him down, were not encouraging.
Should he be confirmed, I now fear he might lose his objectivity in certain cases to get back at the Clintons, liberals, progressives and Democrats.
I don't believe he helped his reputation today with anyone sitting on the fence.
I agree. He did very little to engender either or both of them.
Agreed. He's obviously carrying a lot of partisan baggage.
He was such an ass at times, I wondered what was in that water glass that seemed to be glued to his hand.
Was anyone else annoyed by his Scut 'I just got my ass kicked' Farkus nose sniffle?
Genuine what?
You either believe Blasey Ford, or you don't. She 100% id'd him. There is no case of mistaken identity. If you believe her , he should not be confirmed.
post football game....( great offensive displays = poor defense)
Several pundits on different channels likened this to WWI (tribal) trench warfare and the trenches just got deeper and reinforced.
I attended an all boy private Catholic/Jesuit HS & college in the 60's and can bear (bare?) witness to everything that Kavanaugh has been accused of doing,
participating in,
or not reporting.
That said, most of us matured, turned off the nonsense and became what most would agree are good contributing citizens.
But almost none of us are being nominated to the Supreme Court of the land.
Gorsuch went to the same schools and also apprenticed with Kennedy. No charges, no rumors, no accusations, false or otherwise against Gorsuch.
No questions about how much do you REALLY like beer Mr. Kavanaugh.
No excuses like, "I've always had a "queasy stomach".
Mr. President, go get me another Gorsuch...PLEASE.
He is likely pissed that his elitist ass is even being questioned.
Good commentary tonight by Michelle Goldberg:
What I think bothered me most was what I imagine was his dry mouth,
and after each teary rasp, he took another sip of water and ran his tongue over the insides of his cheeks in what I can only say
reminded me of an old sight gag about oral sex. ( also from high school)
/
Mr. President, your nominees are not automatically approved.
Get us a better nominee.
Because replays of this are on the internet forever now
and we only want the best of the best
and the blandest.
My point was that I don't think anybody is on that fence you described. I think a grand total of zero minds were changed today.
We'll see about that in Nov.
May not have cemented in the panel but I believe you'll see some sort of ratings study soon as to how many female voters watched this.
I don't think this is going to bode well for the Republicans whether they vote him in or not.
Why do so may N joy that fence...
could it be the cold steel posts so many slip off onto as the Truth is again danced around.
She was Far more believable than ole Krazy Kav, he's not right.
Who pulls their outstretched hand back from a man who is attempting to reach some sort of peace with the death of his teenage daughter, which occurred, at of all places, school.
.
I got bad vibes the first set of interviews, he cemented his shoes yesterday.
They weren't changed.
It's a midterm election with a colossally polarizing president. Midterms almost never go well for the president's party anyway. It won't be another 2010, but they'll lose some seats.
What?
She could have told you she was molested in the Gryffindor Common Room and you'd have thought she was more credible than Kavanaugh.
Because you were supporting him two weeks ago. Riiiiiight.
Hey ig..
Ya know that whole out stretched hand being pulled, was an exaggeration of events, a false memory or lie whichever term one things best describes the fathers claim..
I am thinking the father thought that Kavanaugh extended a hand and then pulled it back when he mentioned the death of his daughter in an attempted introduction of himself to Kavanaugh .. because his emotions were running high, video shows that it did not take place as recalled …. the claim vanished from the media quickly..
You seem to be doing your part as a conservative by slut-shaming, denigrating, discrediting and retaliating against a sexual assault victim whom even Kavanaugh says he believes was assaulted. No wonder most rape victims never report the rape.
Are we talking about the same people?
I'm speaking of voters.
Yep.
That's because you're a right winger who obviously knows nothing about the psychology of sexual assault victims.
Maybe you should ask your buddy Kavanaugh why he says that he believes Ford was sexually assaulted? Why did the GOP-controlled judiciary committee state that her claims were credible?
Wow, that's a gem of understatement, that is.
Well, that goes an order of magnitude more for Kavanaugh's claims not to mention all the lies:
-Ford wants an investigation; Kavvy boy does not.
-Ford took a lie detector test; Kavvy boy will never do the same.
-Ford comes across as totally believable; Kavvy boy comes across as a liar.
-Ford has no reason to lie; Kavvy boy has every reason.
This happened, and Ford is 100% certain of who attacked her. This was a traumatic event that she will never forget. I believe her, and so do the Republicans for that matter, they simply don't care that it happened.
They're attempting to Dodge Ford
But they're going to put their Chevy in the levee.
They knew about all these women anyway.
That's why they tried as fast as Mercury to get the confirmation before the Fiat lady sang.
Of course. Ford is emotional. Kavanaugh knows an investigation is going to spend weeks to bring us right back where we are today.
Because they're ridiculously unreliable.
Because your personal bias colors your decision. Let's face it, there is very little she could have said up there you wouldn't have believed.
The longer this goes on, the wealthier she'll become. She will be the darling of the liberal talk circuit, and a book deal is probably already in the works.
She can't remember 90% of that event. She can't remember where she was, when it was, and all the people she says were there have no idea what she's talking about. Do you see how you're only believing the parts of this you wanted to believe?
They believe she's emotional.
C'mon, 70% accuracy is not ridiculously unreliable. They certainly aren't a "sure thing" but...the CIA, FBI, NSA and a bunch of other secret alphabet agencies use them regularly in recruiting.
Ford wasn't the one that lost her cool and started babbling conspiracy theories about the Clintons.
He pretty much showed his "Republican side" in this when judges are supposed to be neutral.
I don't doubt we'd see that from the bench as well.
Would you accept 70% reliability for a radar gun? An EKG machine? Your car?
Would it be acceptable if your lawn mower cut 70% of the grass you rolled it over? Would you call your oven reliable if it heated to the correct temperature 70% of the time?
Would you consider an HIV test "reliable" if it was accurate 70% of the time?
Ridiculously unreliable.
Government agencies may still use them. They still do a lot of things like it's 1960.
No, and that was certainly unimpressive. She is the one, however, who has let her "feelings" of one form or another keep her from reporting this alleged incident for 36 years.
If a group of people brought out some woman you don't ever even remember meeting who said you tried to rape her, I imagine your neutrality would explode in a mushroom cloud.
There isn't any history of him being biased from the bench.
E.A Yes IMHO so that they know who needs to be trained to evade them!
Are you fricken kidding me? Next to Kavanaugh's uncontrolled outbursts, she sounded like an intelligent woman telling the truth during the hardest time of her life. He sounded hysterical and crazy, which are words I believe I've heard you use to describe women. He was over the top, more in lines of 'the best defense is a good offense' rather than 'how could this be happening'. Feels like 'how dare you make me accountable for my past, I'm not supposed to pay the price for my bad behavior just because women are fed up - now let me on the court for decades so I have power over women and show them!
1960's or not, our own government sees fit to use them for high security screening. Last I checked he is a government employee.
His outburst and convenient use of an absurd conspiracy theory gives pause.
Highly unlikely. But that's just me. If it were me and I was sure it was bullshit I'd invite the investigation, And when they were done, I'd personally nail them to their own cross.
No. But I can if it will make you "feel" better. I have a joke about Jesus and Moses playing golf if it would help.
And Hugh Laurie spent years sounding like an American doctor. Stop focusing on what people say, start watching what they DO.
She IS emotional. There really isn't any reasonable argument against that. Look at her actions:
Why? The answer on every single point is "her emotions".
I found his remarks unimpressive. But I suspect had he been more reserved you would have called him "cold hearted", "uncaring", and all sorts of other names.
Again, I was unimpressed.
"Feels". So more emotion.
Do you even notice how it never even enters your mind that she may be wrong? You have decided he is guilty, and absolutely nothing is ever going to shake you from that. If she recanted her story, you wouldn't believe her. He is a straight, white, Republican, male, Trump appointee. He is everything you despise, conveniently packaged and labeled so you don't have to think about it.
It was certainly not his finest hour, and I don't think he did himself any favors.
I doubt it matters, though. That testimony changed exactly as many minds as the FBI investigation will....zero.
Clarence Thomas had an FU moment in front of the committee too.
When one is "Accused" of something, one has a tendency to get a bit pissed off.
Hell....Lindsey Graham had an FU moment....and he's on the committee. Look at the vile stuff about Graham coming out from the left, because of what he did.
Thank Goodness the "Left" is tolerant. I'd hate to see what the "Left" does when they are mad.
All three were justified in what and how they said it.
While KavaLies showed the world an hysterical breakdown. This is exactly the kind of performance a liar would hope to pull off. He dodged or lied about any question of substance.
What's the atmosphere like in Opposite World?
We're well aware that facts play no part for supporters of that POS. And we may very well get some facts from these interviews that were not revealed to reporters who did interviews compared to skilled investigators who now have calendars and timelines to work with. And, boy howdy, is Mark Judge ever hiding a bunch of shit and he's agreed to cooperate with the FBI investigators. You may be right that it will not amount to much. But you may also be quite wrong.
And you pretend they matter to you?
If we were talking about 3 years ago, or even 10 years ago, there might be some hope they would uncover something. But 36 years ago? Not a chance. We're talking about the 1980s. No internet, no GPS, cell phones were built into your car. A "laptop" computer weighed 40 pounds and was the size of a suitcase. Those of us who were sober don't remember what we did in 1982, Mark Judge isn't going to remember there was a 1982.
N good ole boyz will be drinkin Whiskey and Getting HIGH
Singing this will be the day my nomination dies.
oh snap... I remember that song. one of my favorites.
obama wrote that song the day the Senate Judiciary Committee signed a letter saying they had no intention of consenting to any nominee from him.
ahhhh the memories... priceless
So quitcherbitchen about Kavanaugh's problems. The gop loves this stuff, just not when it happens to them. Karma's a bitch.
me bitch? LOL
Kavanaugh will be confirmed no worries.
have you not figured out your party will sell out your agenda just for a few days off?
cheers
I hope you're right about that 8ball, I really do. I hope the Republican party puts this piece of shit on the Supreme Court. I'm thinking the piece of shit will get rejected, but if he makes it through we can celebrate together!
Cheers!!
Is there any republican BS you don't swallow whole and call "yummy!!!"?
that's the spirit I like to see
Cheers back atcha
not a republican, nothing said by either side in politics today changes my mind about anything
my ideology was carved in stone before most of todays "liberals were even born.
I am an old school democrat who bailed when progressives showed up.
I am one of the originals..... I walked away several decades before we had hashtags
#walkaway
Like a couple folks here i got the distinct impression that Prof Ford is a little MCBW ..... what's she gonna do to get in another one of these rock and roll songs .....
I'm going to go out on a limb here (and I'll take my lumps if it's wrong). I think there's a 3 in 4 chance Kavanaugh will "withdraw"* his name before the FBI report comes back. Here's why I think that: First he knows he did it. Second, all it will take is just one of the various people to verify one of Dr. Ford's recollections (or even a couple of them to independently support separate parts of it) to sink him. On top of that it seems that Ramirez and Swetnick are also to be interviewed and if either one of those claims (particularly Swetnick's, who claims there were witnesses and that the incident is much fresher) gets any kind of corroborative support Kavanaugh's toast. The odds are heavily against there being nothing out there.
*actually it will probably be forced on him by Scumbag and McConnell and he'll couch it in the usual bogus selfless terms that he's doing it to spare his family any more of this REALLY UNFAIR!!! process.
Can't argue with that logic.
I'm going to have to disagree here. Kavanaugh will not withdraw, neither will Trump replace him. Most, if not all of those that were named as "witnesses" before the investigation have come out, yet again, saying what Dr Ford describes, with them being present, is not accurate. None of them are going to flip, even her best friend has come out again vehemently denying she even knows who Kavanaugh is.
As far as the other two accusations, Ramirez claims Kavanaugh exposed himself to her at a party, and she admits she was falling over drunk at the time. Even democrats say the New Yorker article was simply a badly written piece and full of unsubstantiated holes. The Swetnick thing is nothing more than a friend of a daughter told a friend who told her story. The FBI will more than likely ignore this one, especially since the creepy porn lawyer is representing her.
Kavanaugh will not be on the court for the first part of October, but will be shortly after.
He sure lies a lot about his drinking. First he barely drank, now he says he drank a lot but never blacked out. (yeah right!) The crown jewel is the lie about the drinking age. Who would lie about something so easy to check? And no one even asked him about the legal drinking age, he didn't have to tell that lie at all. He simply blurted out a lie that painted just a slightly better picture of his drinking, knowing full well how easily it would be disproved. It was stupid. It was downright Trumpian.