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NBC News : There Is A Negotiation Underway To Reopen FBI Investigation of Kavanaugh Nomination

  

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By:  white-night  •  8 years ago  •  430 comments

NBC News : There Is A Negotiation Underway To Reopen FBI Investigation of Kavanaugh Nomination

NBC News Kelly O'Donnell says the Judiciary Committee is privately discussing re-opening the FBI investigation.

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There’s something very odd going up in this Senate hearing room. It appears that Senator Flake, who had come out in Kavanaugh’s favor this morning, has been having “discussions” with Sen. Chris Coons and seemingly having some second thoughts about his choice. It’s really not clear what he’s doing. But they were supposed to vote at 1:30 PM. They’ve now gone past that time. There are a few possibilities. One is that he’s changed his position. That seems hard to believe. But possibly he has moved toward insisting on some kind of investigation. We don’t know. But there’s clearly some hitch.




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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1  author  JohnRussell    8 years ago

Possible second thoughts by Jeff Flake. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
1.1  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @1    8 years ago

Confirmed. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2  author  JohnRussell    8 years ago

Jeff Flake has said there needs to be a one week delay to allow for an FBI investigation. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @2    8 years ago

wow

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Junior Quiet
3  cobaltblue    8 years ago

If I were Kavanaugh, I'd BEG for an FBI investigation. I would insist upon it. If he's as innocent as he portrays himself, he'd want an FBI investigation so it could all be put to rest. His avoidance of the question of whether he'd like an FBI investigation only piqued everyone's interest as to why he wouldn't. Seems he's worried about corroboration out there. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  cobaltblue @3    8 years ago

If I had been accused of something like that and I knew I was innocent I would go ask the FBI myself for an investigation

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1    8 years ago

They are still working out the details but it appears there will be a delay and an FBI investigation. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1    8 years ago
If I had been accused of something like that and I knew I was innocent I would go ask the FBI myself for an investigation

But what if you know you're likely guilty? What if you were blackout and don't remember but heard stories from others about some of those blackout nights and know when your classmates are interviewed they'll likely tell the truth about the frequent excessive drinking, the partying and all the bragging, laughs and jokes you told with your friends at the time about those drunken conquests?

If that was the case, you'd probably react like a cornered animal, bare your teeth, make baseless accusations at your accusers, rage, lie, refuse any further investigation and basically act exactly like Bret Kavanaugh did yesterday.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.2    8 years ago
you'd probably react like a cornered animal, bare your teeth, make baseless accusations at your accusers, rage, lie, and basically act exactly like Bret Kavanaugh did yesterday.

Oh, no doubt especially if I had doubts about my own innocence. That's why I think he's got something to hide

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.4  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.3    8 years ago

They are saying the investigations would be confined to the "current accusations" which would presumably be the current 3 or 4 accusers. 

We have to keep our eyes open for conservative bamboozling though. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.3    8 years ago
That's why I think he's got something to hide

Very true. Remember, most of Kavanaughs documents are sealed. A simple way to look at it is that 93% of his resume is sealed and cannot be viewed. He clearly has a LOT to hide. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.1.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.3    8 years ago
no doubt especially if I had doubts about my own innocence

When I was watching Kavanaughs testimony yesterday, I couldn't help but be reminded of my father. He was a Pentecostal pastor for over 40 years before a number of parishioners came forward admitting he had illicit affairs with them under the guise of "comforting" and "counseling" them. When confronted by those accusations he reacted just like Kavanaugh has, "like a cornered animal", bared his teeth, made baseless accusations of his accusers, raged, and lied. He had always been a smart man with a high IQ and always believed he could control and manipulate the narrative to his advantage, and did for a very long time till he was finally exposed. It was the preponderance of accusers that finally broke the sexual predators back. I went some 30 years without really knowing, having dismissed the whispered rumors I had heard as just that, unfounded rumors.

Watching Kavanaugh yesterday brought the memory of confronting my father back as the reaction was eerily similar. My father tried to control the narrative, trying to poke holes in the several accusers accounts, trying to take any slight inconsistency as evidence of complete exoneration. Thankfully, their testimony, when taken as a whole was just overwhelming. At that point my dad raged about what this was doing to his family, what it was doing to his reputation, what it was doing to his livelihood, all "Woe is me, me, me!", not an ounce of remorse, repentance or compassion for his victims, exactly like Kavanaugh did yesterday.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
3.1.7  Skrekk  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.6    8 years ago

It's about loss of privilege.    Way too long overdue.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1    8 years ago
If I had been accused of something like that and I knew I was innocent I would go ask the FBI myself for an investigation

Looking at it from another angle: If someone had been accused of something and was guilty and was now under investigation by the FBI, they would likely withdraw their name.

Let's see if that happens

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
3.1.11  Jack_TX  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.6    8 years ago

So is this about Kavanaugh or your father?

Flippant question, I realize, but bear with me.

Many people see this situation with Kavanaugh and they have a visceral connection to a sexual abuse, infidelity, or other traumatic experience in their own life.  In your case, having your family drug through that very public episode was undoubtedly very hurtful for the rest of you.  There are LOTS of people with those painful experiences in their history.

Those chapters color the way we look at the world, and how we filter information.  Author Hyrum Smith refers to it as our "belief window".  It can be very difficult to set our own experiences aside and view a new situation objectively.  But we still need to try.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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3.1.12  cobaltblue  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.6    8 years ago
Watching Kavanaugh yesterday brought the memory of confronting my father back as the reaction was eerily similar. My father tried to control the narrative, trying to poke holes in the several accusers accounts, trying to take any slight inconsistency as evidence of complete exoneration. Thankfully, their testimony, when taken as a whole was just overwhelming. At that point my dad raged about what this was doing to his family, what it was doing to his reputation, what it was doing to his livelihood, all "Woe is me, me, me!", not an ounce of remorse, repentance or compassion for his victims, exactly like Kavanaugh did yesterday.

If I could vote this comment up a million times, I would. I find it powerful and eye-opening. I heard that "family" bullshit coming from his mouth. If he was concerned about his family, he'd withdraw his nomination. This isn't a trial. He'd still have his federal judgeship. He'd still have his livelihood. He doesn't give a shit about his family. Not one iota. He's a liar and his "family" claims only prove it. 

Omigawd, DP. I've never been so moved at any comment as I have been moved by yours. I can't say if Kavanaugh has perpetrated what he's been accused of until the FBI report comes back, but his demeanor, his reluctance to embrace an FBI review, his over-the-top behavior indicates that he is guilty of something. Nothing he's done thus far is conducive to behavior exhibited by an innocent person.

I'm so sorry for your family, but thank you for sharing what we all see and that "there's something off about this" feeling most of us had watching his commentary.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.6    8 years ago

Sorry for your experience but it has noting to do with this one.    In fact, if this were a jury trial, you would never get chosen as a juror for that reason alone.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
3.1.14  Jack_TX  replied to  cobaltblue @3.1.12    8 years ago
If I could vote this comment up a million times, I would.

It encapsulates a huge part of the problem with this entire episode.

For many people, the Ford/Kavanaugh situation isn't about Ford or Kavanaugh at all.  It's about a situation in their own lives that they still have negative feelings over.

Many, many women don't see Christine Ford on that stand.  They see themselves.  They feel the relief and vindication they imagine would be theirs if they confronted their own attacker.  They're living vicariously through Dr. Ford, and any challenge to her story is a challenge to theirs.  Failure to believe Ford's story, no matter the evidence, is tantamount to calling them a liar and heaping insult on to the injury they've already endured.  Pointing out Ford's missing details or her witnesses not helping or the cowardice of failing to say anything while this man became a very important federal judge is interpreted as an attack on them.

The problem is.....this isn't about their trauma.  This isn't about their feelings.  This is Kavanaugh and Ford.  Full stop. 

Either it can be proven he actually did assault this girl and has now perjured himself, or it can't and he should be confirmed as the Constitution describes.

 
 
 
Fireryone
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3.4  Fireryone  replied to  cobaltblue @3    8 years ago

Exactly. If innocent an investigation will turn up corroborating evidence.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Fireryone @3.4    8 years ago
Exactly. If innocent an investigation will turn up corroborating evidence.  

That is backwards. If he is guilty an investigation would turn up corroborating evidence. If he is innocent all that can be reported is that there was nothing found to support Ford's allegations. You can't prove a negative.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
3.4.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Fireryone @3.4    8 years ago
If innocent an investigation will turn up corroborating evidence.  

Such as?  What would be an example of evidence supporting his innocence?

 
 
 
Fireryone
Freshman Silent
3.4.3  Fireryone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.1    8 years ago
If he is guilty an investigation would turn up corroborating evidence. If he is innocent all that can be reported is that there was nothing found to support Ford's allegations. You can't prove a negative.

There are 3 accusers, not just one.  But if he is innocent, he should want the investigation.  If he is innocent he wouldn't worry about the FBI finding corroborating evidence.  If he knows he's innocent, he should want that result.

He still has a problem though, his outburst made his fitness for the job even more questionable. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Fireryone @3.4.3    8 years ago
There are 3 accusers, not just one.

Three accusers without any evidence, all democrats and activists to one degree or another.

 But if he is innocent, he should want the investigation. 

The innocent should never have to ask for an investigation - they shouldn't face unsupported accusations

 If he is innocent he wouldn't worry about the FBI finding corroborating evidence.

Are we playing the if he was game? If he was guilty he would have withdrawn his name by now - how's that?


He still has a problem though, his outburst made his fitness for the job even more questionable. 

If he hadn't taken that hard stance, he would have been toast. When Ford was being "questioned" she never faced a tough question from anybody and only praise from the democrats

 
 
 
Fireryone
Freshman Silent
3.4.5  Fireryone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.4    8 years ago
If he hadn't taken that hard stance, he would have been toast. When Ford was being "questioned" she never faced a tough question from anybody and only praise from the democrats

You see only what you want to see.  He didn't face any tough questions at all.  When the prosecutor questioned him about his calendar, she was let go. 

He's not fit.  His behavior should concern everyone. 

 
 
 
Fireryone
Freshman Silent
3.4.6  Fireryone  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4.2    8 years ago
What would be an example of evidence supporting his innocence?

I'm through playing what if.   He committed perjury and his partisanship was on full display.

For those reasons alone, he should not be confirmed.  I can't speculate about what might clear him anymore than you can. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Fireryone @3.4.6    8 years ago
partisanship was on full display.

Didn't Justice Ginsburg call President Trump a faker?    And she wasn't under attack by the opposition party.  Why not impeach her for her "partisanship"?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Fireryone @3.4.5    8 years ago
He didn't face any tough questions at all.

Having every single democrat ask him to call for an investigation - "if he considers himself innocent" is beyond "tough".....it was indecent

 
 
 
Fireryone
Freshman Silent
3.4.9  Fireryone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.7    8 years ago
Didn't Justice Ginsburg call President Trump a faker? 

She's going through a confirmation hearing? No she's not. Next. 

 
 
 
Fireryone
Freshman Silent
3.4.10  Fireryone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.8    8 years ago
if he considers himself innocent" is beyond "tough".....it was indecent

No, what's indecent is perjuring oneself.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  Fireryone @3.4.9    8 years ago

She is making serious accusations against a Supreme Court Justice nominee. She needed to be questioned vigorously with tough questions

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  Fireryone @3.4.10    8 years ago
No, what's indecent is perjuring oneself.  

ABOUT WHAT?

 
 
 
Fireryone
Freshman Silent
3.4.13  Fireryone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.11    8 years ago

Vic, he is NOT a supreme court justice. He is just a nominee at this point.

She was questioned. What she should do now is go file a police report.  It's not past the statute of limitations. 

About what?
I've answered this several times.  Look it up. 
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  Fireryone @3.4.13    8 years ago
Vic, he is NOT a supreme court justice. He is just a nominee at this point.

That's correct a nominee to the Supreme Court and she made totally unsupported allegations. Tough questions needed to be asked!


 What she should do now is go file a police report.  It's not past the statute of limitations.

I used to think that too. Unfortunately we were both wrong. Back in 1982 this charge was a misdemeanor with a 1 year statute of limitations. It the early 90's that changed in Maryland and today there is no statute of limitations.

 
 
 
Fireryone
Freshman Silent
3.4.15  Fireryone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.14    8 years ago

Then what's the concern and how exactly has this ruined his life?

The investigation is happening. Now it appears that Kavanaugh may have tried getting his friends to back him up via text messages.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
3.4.16  lennylynx  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.7    8 years ago

No Vic, calling Trump a liar, an idiot, and a total scumbag who is manifestly unfit for the presidency, is not partisan at all.  Every person with a functioning brain in their head knows this about Trump, including many right wingers.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
3.4.17  Jack_TX  replied to  Fireryone @3.4.6    8 years ago
I'm through playing what if.

Of course you are.  Thanks.  That answers the question.  There isn't any evidence that will exonerate him in your mind. 

   He committed perjury and his partisanship was on full display.

Yet you still can't name the lie he told.

For those reasons alone, he should not be confirmed.

No, the reason liberals don't want him confirmed is "feelings".  

  I can't speculate about what might clear him anymore than you can. 

I didn't ask you to speculate.  I asked you to establish success/failure criteria.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  Fireryone @3.4.15    8 years ago
Then what's the concern and how exactly has this ruined his life?

Are you really asking that?  [deleted]


The investigation is happening.

Yup, and then we vote.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
3.4.19  Jack_TX  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.18    8 years ago
Are you really asking that?  I pity you.

Easy now.

This is a gender divide thing.  Many women don't realize how serious such an accusation is among men.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
3.4.20  Skrekk  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4.19    8 years ago
Many women don't realize how serious such an accusation is among men.

It seems women no longer know their place.   Don't they realize what such an accusation could do to a rapist's career?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
3.4.21  Jack_TX  replied to  Skrekk @3.4.20    8 years ago
It seems women no longer know their place. 

Seems to you, I'm sure.

 Don't they realize what such an accusation could do to a rapist's career?
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Fireryone
Freshman Silent
3.4.22  Fireryone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.18    8 years ago
Are you really asking that?  I pity you.

You pity me?!? don't waste your time pitying me. There's no reason to make such a statement.  I don't need nor want your pity. 

 
 
 
Fireryone
Freshman Silent
3.4.23  Fireryone  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4.19    8 years ago
This is a gender divide thing.  Many women don't realize how serious such an accusation is among men.

Of course you would see it that way.  Its dead wrong, but go ahead and pretend that this is just a gender thing.

 
 
 
Fireryone
Freshman Silent
3.4.24  Fireryone  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4.17    8 years ago
Yet you still can't name the lie he told.

I posted several of his lies.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  cobaltblue @3    8 years ago

An interesting concept: The accused demanding an investigation.

How about members of the Senate Judiciary Committee not leaking things that don't have supporting evidence?

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.5.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5    8 years ago
How about members of the Senate Judiciary Committee not leaking things that don't have supporting evidence?

Ya, why did they leak the bullshit about two anonymous guys claiming 'credit' for the attack on Ford? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.5.1    8 years ago
Ya, why did they leak the bullshit about two anonymous guys claiming 'credit' for the attack on Ford? 

It wasn't "LEAKED". It was released as part of the Committee's investigative work:

"WASHINGTON - The Senate Judiciary Committee has questioned two men who say they, not Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, had the disputed encounter with Christine Blasey Ford at a 1982 house party that led to sexual assault allegations

The revelation was included in a late-night news release by Sen. Chuck Grassley, the top Republican on the committee. The release includes a day-by-day view of the committee's investigative work over the last two weeks since allegations surfaced targeting Kavanaugh."



"The release also outlines a number of others the committee has interviewed, including friends of Kavanaugh and those who know the women who have lodged accusations against him. "


You see, there was no sandbagging, no dirty political ambush - just honesty!  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
3.5.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5.2    8 years ago
You see, there was no sandbagging, no dirty political ambush - just honesty!

I see this:

The revelation was included in a late-night news release by Sen. Chuck Grassley, the top Republican on the committee.

A 'late-night news release' just before the morning of the hearing. And though even Graham admits that they were 'crazy as a loon' they included the 'innuendo' in their 'investigation summary'. 

The 'two other guys' bullshit was LEAKED before the 'late-night news release. Hell, there was a seed on here about it...

BTFW, they NEVER actually talked to Mark Judge...yet they whined ad nauseam about Ford not meeting face to face with committee staff. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.5.3    8 years ago

I'll take that as an admission that it wasn't LEAKED!!!!!!

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
3.5.5  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5.4    8 years ago

Or you could READ MORE CAREFULLY...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.5.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.5.5    8 years ago

I'll let everyone read THE FACT you can't get around

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
3.5.7  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5.6    8 years ago

What 'fact' is that? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.5.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.5.7    8 years ago

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bugsy
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3.5.9  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.5.5    8 years ago
Or you could READ MORE CAREFULLY..

I'd say he did read it very carefully. Sen McConnell released the statement himself. Who cares f it was late night or 2 in the afternoon. You said it was leaked. You were wrong.....again.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
3.5.10  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.5.9    8 years ago
I'd say he did read it very carefully.

I'd say you didn't...

Sen McConnell released the statement himself.

Really? That's NOT what Vic's link said...

READ MORE CAREFULLY. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.5.11  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.5.10    8 years ago

My God...liberalism is truly mind rotting...

OK, I said McConnel...the link says Grassley released it. Big whooppee. It was still RELEASED, not LEAKED, as you so wrongly claim.

If it were leaked, the link would say "anonymous source", or "people close to the matter".....much like your CNN, WaPo, MSDNC use as their "source".....and usually get it wrong....like you did.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4  MrFrost    8 years ago

The reason the GOP is so opposed to any delays is because they know that they are likely going to get beaten badly in the midterms and their chance to stack the SCOTUS even more than they already have, will fade away. What they don't seem to realize is that if Kavanaugh IS confirmed, the beating the GOP takes in November will not be bad, it will be EPIC. It will almost certainly cost them the house and the senate and most likely the WH in 2 years. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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4.1  Skrekk  replied to  MrFrost @4    8 years ago

This nomination has already cost them both houses of Congress.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
4.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Skrekk @4.1    8 years ago

Yeah right, and Trump will never be POTUS .......

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.1    8 years ago
Yeah right, and Trump will never be POTUS .......

And man will never fly or go to the moon....

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.1    8 years ago
and Trump will never be POTUS .......

You can use that as your new standard if you wish, but the reality is Trumps win was the exception, not the rule. Without the confluence of illicit events, from Russian hacking, the millions they spent on social media propaganda that reached at least 126 million Americans, the hundreds of thousands of dollars paid to keep porn stars he'd been banging silent during the campaign, the mountain of lies and misinformation spread about Hillary and the intentional disenfranchisement of eligible Democrat voters, there is simply no way Trump could ever win an election. In 2020 I'd be surprised if he could win an election for city council in his own home town.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
4.1.4  Skrekk  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.3    8 years ago
Trumps win was the exception, not the rule.

Definitely quite rare for a candidate to overwhelmingly lose the popular vote but to be installed by the EC.     And every time it's happened it's been a disaster for the country.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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4.1.5  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.1    8 years ago
Yeah right, and Trump will never be POTUS .......

I wonder if Don Jr., Trump's first mini-me, is jealous of Brett Kavanaugh, Trump's second mini-me.  Your thoughts?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.1.6  KDMichigan  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.1.5    8 years ago
Your thoughts?

Who would have thoughts on a inane comment?

Now if you were just posting for likes just ask and I'll throw you one.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Skrekk @4.1.4    8 years ago
And every time it's happened it's been a disaster for the country.

Even the two times Clinton won?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
4.1.9  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.7    8 years ago

Clinton never would have won the first time had Perot not significantly split the conservative vote ...... just practicing what many on the left preach by making excuses for why the person I didn’t vote for, won.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.7    8 years ago

Clinton WON the popular vote both times...

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.1.11  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @4.1.10    8 years ago

In both elections more people voted against him than voted for him

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.12  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @4.1.11    8 years ago

I see you like to parse words. 

BTFW, in 1996 even if you ADD Dole and Perot vote, Clinton STILL had more votes. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.1.13  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @4.1.12    8 years ago

He still did not get the majority of the votes. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.14  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @4.1.13    8 years ago

ma·jor·i·ty
[məˈjôrədē, məˈjärədē]

NOUN
the greater number.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.15  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.8    8 years ago

The lesson in 2000 was the same in 2016 - democrats are sore losers who don't accept election results

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.16  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.1.10    8 years ago

Yup, in 1992 he got 43% of the popular vote, similar to Trump's 46% in 2016.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.17  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.16    8 years ago
Yup, in 1992 he got 43% of the popular vote, similar to Trump's 46% in 2016.

Yep, 43% with three candidates...

Trump 46% with two candidates while Clinton got 48%

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
4.1.18  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @4.1.12    8 years ago
I see you like to parse words. 

Nah, that is apparently your turf, case in point .... I noticed you avoided 92 as I noted.    Clinton likely never would have  been President if Perot hadn’t run and for sure would have lost easily to Bush one in 92.

But I understand ..... spin is all you got.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.1.19  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @4.1.14    8 years ago

1992 election results

Clinton. 44,908,254

All other candidates 58,846,164

Difference other candidates +13937910

Majority to other candidates than clinton

1996 election results:

Clinton 45590703

Other candidates 45901601

Results other candidates +313000

majority to other candidates than Clinton. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.20  Vic Eldred  replied to  arkpdx @4.1.19    8 years ago

Yes sir. Bottom line, Bill Clinton was another who won without 50% of the popular vote.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.21  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.20    8 years ago

Yep and I still say thank God for the EC ...... not just when it favors the candidate I voted for ...... 😉

 
 
 
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4.1.22    replied to  Sparty On @4.1.21    8 years ago
Yep and I still say thank God for the EC ...... not just when it favors the candidate I voted for ...... 😉

E.A                        Congratulations!!!!

                             YOU Sir WIN!!!

One of very Few that understand that the US of A is a " Constitutional DEDERAL Republic " and not a Democracy!! Well Done :-)

Now then states might claim to have a " democratic form " but that is another issue all together!!

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.23  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @4.1.19    8 years ago

Oh so you're adding in all of the non viable candidates. Got ya...

BTW, since your buddies give it such praise, how many EC votes did that equal? 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.1.24  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @4.1.23    8 years ago

I did say the majority of the voters voted against Clinton, I did not say that he didn't win the election. I am not sure how many EC votes he got in total but it exceeded the 270 needed to win the election. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.25  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.21    8 years ago
Yep and I still say thank God for the EC

Can you imagine a Presidential campaign where both candidates spend all their time campaigning in the currently degenerated big cities of New York and CA?  The Founding Fathers were right. Now more than ever.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5  Split Personality    8 years ago

Senator Flake and his aides were trapped in an elevator while a woman berated him for disappointing every woman and child he was personally related too.

As additional cameras moved in and the first woman refused to let the elevator door close, a second woman who claimed to be a victim of sexual assault, loudly berated Flake

for publicly letting down every woman in the country.  Flake looked at the floor intensely until she yelled look at me when I am talking to you,

which got his attention while one aide slid away from Flake and hid behind the other........

Apparently this has caused Flake's call for a delay.

Sen. Collins answered "yes" when asked if she supported a delay, as she was entering Mitch McConnell' office a few moments ago.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Split Personality @5    8 years ago
Apparently this has caused Flake's call for a delay.

If so, then somebody ought to give those fearless women a medal. Republicans and their right wing media pundits will no doubt attempt to track them down and dig up dirt in retaliation, as if the protesters were personally up for a seat on the supreme court.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @5    8 years ago
Senator Flake and his aides were trapped in an elevator while a woman berated him for disappointing every woman and child he was personally related too.

I woudn't of used the word woman. She was a protester/activist. They were bused in.

The whole thing looked staged to me.

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2    8 years ago
I woudn't of used the word woman. She was a protester/activist. 

Wow so in your opinion, if a female is a 'protestor/activist' she relinquishes her right to be called a woman. I can't help but wonder if you feel the same way about woman in the Tea Party, or Million Moms, or, or, or...

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2.2  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @5.2.1    8 years ago

As Looney as the "Left" has become, the words "Female" and "Women" are going the way of "Racist". "Abused" and "Overused".

The meaning will be lost soon enough.....thanks to the "Left".

But I'm sure you don't see that.

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2.3  Dulay  replied to  It Is ME @5.2.2    8 years ago

My comment is about Vic's denial of the label 'woman' to female protestors/activists. 

Your political blather isn't relevant. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2.4  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @5.2.3    8 years ago

Vic "Denied" NOTHING.

Your "comprehension" does have issues.

You just made it out to be what YOU WANTED IT TO BE ! jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2.5  Dulay  replied to  It Is ME @5.2.4    8 years ago
You just made it out to be what YOU WANTED IT TO BE !

Ditto.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2.6  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @5.2.5    8 years ago
Ditto.

jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif Ya got nothin'

"My comment is about Vic's denial"

I'm still waitin' to see the "Denial" part you CLAIM ! jrSmiley_14_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  author  JohnRussell    8 years ago

Now Jeff Flake will start getting death threats. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6    8 years ago
Now Jeff Flake will start getting death threats. 

I know, we all get them/s

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8  author  JohnRussell    8 years ago

What Flake also should have said is that he wouldn't vote for confirmation until Kavanaugh takes a polygraph. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8    8 years ago
What Flake also should have said is that he wouldn't vote for confirmation until Kavanaugh takes a polygraph. 

I think he should resign in protest (to Trump, of course and people like me, WHO WON"T VOTE FOR HIM)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9  author  JohnRussell    8 years ago

Mark Judge lawyer says he will co-operate with an FBI investigation. 

Good for him. I hope he has a good answer for what his girlfriend meant when she told reporters that Judge had guilt over a gang rape he took part in when he was in high school. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @9    8 years ago
Judge had guilt over a gang rape he took part in when he was in high school

But she has no knowledge that Kavanaugh was involved in it, so it's not very useful.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tacos! @9.2    8 years ago

Good point!  It's all about Judge now....We knew where the liberals were going when one of them made a point of reading where somebody said Judge and Kavanaugh were joined at the hip. So now the actions of an addict are going to transferred to Kavanaugh, except it goes against how everyone remembered him. Joe McCarthy would be so proud.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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9.2.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @9.2    8 years ago
But she has no knowledge that Kavanaugh was involved in it, so it's not very useful.

That's some powerful wishful thinking you got working for you there. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tacos! @9.2    8 years ago

He had no link for that

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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9.2.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.2.1    8 years ago
Joe McCarthy would be so proud.

He should be one of your heroes.  How you think you can now project his sins onto the opposite side is very revealing. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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9.2.5  Skrekk  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.2.1    8 years ago
Joe McCarthy would be so proud.

No doubt he'd be very proud of Trump.    They even shared the same mob lawyer.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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11  Sunshine    8 years ago
I hope he has a good answer

Yeah, and where was he on the day of no one knows, with Ford's witnesses which deny being with her, at the house where no one knows.

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Fireryone
Freshman Silent
11.2  Fireryone  replied to  Sunshine @11    8 years ago
Yeah, and where was he on the day of no one knows, with Ford's witnesses which deny being with her, at the house where no one knows.

His own calendar shows a gathering with people that Ford claims was there.  The location can be found, how she got there and back can be discovered.  Anyone else at that party can be identified.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
11.2.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Fireryone @11.2    8 years ago
His own calendar shows a gathering with people that Ford claims was there.  The location can be found, how she got there and back can be discovered.  Anyone else at that party can be identified.

Those points are basically why I think Kavanaugh will be Cavenaugh (heh).  It's just a matter of which small piece of evidence among those several possibilities supporting Ford's account will be all it takes to confirm Kavanaugh's lying.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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13  author  JohnRussell    8 years ago
GOP Leaders Call Allegations Against Kavanaugh "Credible"
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updated at 15:03 by Caitlin MacNeal via All TPM News

Senate Republican leadership will delay a vote on Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation for a week and ask the FBI to investigate “credible allegations” against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

“The Senate Judiciary Committee will request that the administration instruct the FBI to conduct a supplemental FBI background investigation with respect to the nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh to be an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court,” Republicans on the Judiciary Committee announced in a statement. “The supplemental FBI background investigation would be limited to current credible allegations against the nominee and must be completed no later than one week from today.”

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
13.1  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @13    8 years ago

That’s not what the statement says

furthermore this lying smear campaign will go nowhere. I guarantee theFBI will go nowhere because there is nowhere to go

Judge Kavanaugh will be sitting on the Supreme Court in October is he rightly should be.

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MrFrost
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13.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @13.1    8 years ago
Judge Kavanaugh will be sitting on the Supreme Court in October is he rightly should be.

Probably... But that will mean that you will lose the house and the senate and most likely the WH. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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13.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @13.1    8 years ago
That’s not what the statement says

It's a direct quote. You can claim that's not what the statement meant, but it is quoted word for word so it's pretty hard to claim it's not what it "says". Well, I guess it's hard for anyone that wants to be taken seriously, for anyone else it's apparently as easy as walking and chewing gum.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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13.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @13.1.1    8 years ago

Nope

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
14  livefreeordie    8 years ago

Any Republican who votes against Judge Kavanaugh should and will be driven out of office

 
 
 
Fireryone
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14.1  Fireryone  replied to  livefreeordie @14    8 years ago
Any Republican who votes against Judge Kavanaugh should and will be driven out of office

Not likely, unless their constituents vote for the Democratic candidate.  Be careful what you wish for.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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14.2  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @14    8 years ago

Thanks for admitting you are in favor of a fascist dictator government. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
14.2.1  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @14.2    8 years ago

Wrong. It is the Democrats who are demonstrating their love of fascism and Stalinism

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @14    8 years ago
Any Republican who votes against Judge Kavanaugh should and will be driven out of office

Any Republican who votes for Kavanaugh will be voted out as soon as they are up for re-election.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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14.3.1  Skrekk  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @14.3    8 years ago
Any Republican who votes for Kavanaugh will be voted out as soon as they are up for re-election.

Many Republican voters don't care about rape, nor do Christian extremists.    We've seen here that conservatives prefer to blame the rape victim rather than the rapist.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Skrekk @14.3.1    8 years ago
Many Republican voters don't care about rape, nor do Christian extremists.    We've seen here that conservatives prefer to blame the rape victim rather than the rapist.

True but, here's the thing, not every voter is a Republican and, there are candidates on the Democratic side that are coming out of the woodwork, many of the Democratic candidates are women, that is a start, they might not all go down this time but, it is up to us to keep reminding people of who voted for this POS.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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14.3.3  Skrekk  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @14.3.2    8 years ago

Good point especially since Alabama opted for the moderate Dem rather than the theocratic pedophile.   If it can happen there it can happen anywhere.

The primary historical contribution of the Trump regime will be the reaction against it especially by women.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3.4  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Skrekk @14.3.3    8 years ago
Good point especially since Alabama opted for the moderate Dem rather than the theocratic pedophile.   If it can happen there it can happen anywhere.

If you think about it, Dr. Ford was under age at the time so, if these allegations prove out, then that makes Kavanaugh a pedophile.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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14.3.5  Tacos!  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @14.3.4    8 years ago
If you think about it, Dr. Ford was under age at the time so, if these allegations prove out, then that makes Kavanaugh a pedophile.

That's not what pedophilia is. Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to prepubescent children, not 15 year olds. And even for (consensual) statutory rape cases, you're not going to see a 17 year old prosecuted for sex with a 15 year old. The law is not in the business of busting high school kids who have sex with each other.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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14.3.6  arkpdx  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @14.3.4    8 years ago
If you think about it, Dr. Ford was under age at the time

So was Kavanaugh underage. You are wrong again. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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14.3.7  Jack_TX  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @14.3.4    8 years ago
If you think about it, Dr. Ford was under age at the time so, if these allegations prove out, then that makes Kavanaugh a pedophile.

Oh FFS. 

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Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3.8  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  arkpdx @14.3.6    8 years ago
So was Kavanaugh underage. You are wrong again. 

Soooo, pedophilia only counts if you're over 18? Wow, someone should tell the prosecutors.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3.11  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Texan1211 @14.3.9    8 years ago
Are you now claiming that Kavanaugh was 20 when he allegedly "assaulted" Ford?

Where did I say that? Please show me.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3.13  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Texan1211 @14.3.10    8 years ago
Oh, FFS.

Stop telling lies.

Learn what pedophilia IS before commenting again.

It might make you seem more credible.

Well, if it isn't pedophilia then it is attempted statutory rape, at least according to Maryland law. Either one is still a crime and, IMO, one is just as bad as the other. There is also no statute of limitations in the state of Maryland, which means there are two of his accusers that can file charges in the state of Maryland if they so wish.

What is the Maryland Age of Consent?
The Maryland Age of Consent is 16 years old. In the United States, the age of consent is the minimum age at which an individual is considered legally old enough to consent to participation in sexual activity. Individuals aged 15 or younger in Maryland are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape.
Maryland statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under age 16. Charges can vary based on the age differences between victim and offender.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3.14  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Texan1211 @14.3.12    8 years ago

Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3.17  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XDm9mm @14.3.15    8 years ago
So, exactly what EVIDENCE is there to charge anyone with anything.

I guess we'll have to wait and, see what the FBI finds out.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3.20  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XDm9mm @14.3.16    8 years ago

Where is Weinstein and, for that matter were is Cosby right now? How many years passed in their cases, how much evidence other than, he said/she said in their cases? Maryland has no statute of limitations and, evidence can be the sworn testimony of the accuser in these cases. So, get back to me when this is over.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3.21  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Texan1211 @14.3.18    8 years ago
How long before you back off of your "rape" insinuation?

Please show me Texan where in this statement I said Kavanaugh raped anyone,

Well, if it isn't pedophilia then it is attempted statutory rape, at least according to Maryland law. Either one is still a crime and, IMO, one is just as bad as the other. There is also no statute of limitations in the state of Maryland, which means there are two of his accusers that can file charges in the state of Maryland if they so wish.
 
 
 
cobaltblue
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14.3.25  cobaltblue  replied to  XDm9mm @14.3.15    8 years ago
To CHARGE someone, SPECIFICS are needed.

Uhhhhh ... you know this isn't a trial, right? Omigawd ... you DO know that ...right??

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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14.3.28  cobaltblue  replied to  XDm9mm @14.3.27    8 years ago
you've completed that, I'll accept your apology

Ha! You wait right here. I'll be right back with that. No, really. You wait right here ...

 
 
 
bugsy
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14.3.29  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @14.3.9    8 years ago
Or continue in blissful ignorance

I think they thrive on that.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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14.3.30  Jack_TX  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @14.3.13    8 years ago
Well, if it isn't pedophilia then it is attempted statutory rape, at least according to Maryland law. Either one is still a crime and, IMO, one is just as bad as the other.  

And again... 

Oh FFS.

jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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14.3.31  Jack_TX  replied to  cobaltblue @14.3.25    8 years ago
Uhhhhh ... you know this isn't a trial, right? Omigawd ... you DO know that ...right??

He's been accused of a crime.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3.32  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Jack_TX @14.3.31    8 years ago
He's been accused of a crime.

Who's the judge in the case and, what court is it being heard in? Oh, yeah, I know which court it's in,

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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14.3.33  Jack_TX  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @14.3.32    8 years ago

Oh.  So if attempted rape is not a crime, we can get on with confirming Judge Kavanaugh.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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14.3.34  Skrekk  replied to  Jack_TX @14.3.33    8 years ago
So if attempted rape is not a crime, we can get on with confirming Judge Kavanaugh.

Exactly!    Republicans have only the highest standards for their SCOTUS nominees.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Quiet
14.3.35  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Jack_TX @14.3.33    8 years ago
Oh.  So if attempted rape is not a crime, we can get on with confirming Judge Kavanaugh.

Not what I said Jack and, you know it. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what court the case is being heard in because, the last I saw, the Congress is not a court of law but, the Right is trying to make this a court case as of now and, that isn't the standard we are working with here, it is and, has been a job interview.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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14.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  livefreeordie @14    8 years ago
Any Republican who votes against Judge Kavanaugh should and will be driven out of office

Good, you take care of those and we'll take care of the others. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Junior Quiet
14.4.1  cobaltblue  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @14.4    8 years ago
we'll take care of the others.

Oh, you clevah boy!!! 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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16  lennylynx    8 years ago

In a way, the outrage over putting an accused molester on the Supreme Court is a little hard to figure, given that we elected an ADMITTED molester president, and everyone knew this well before the election.  President who's hostile toward women nominates a judge who is hostile toward women for the Supreme Court.  Makes perfect sense, no?  The mistake was electing a total piece of shit for a president.  America deserves the horror show in the White House, and deserves Kavanaugh for a SCJ.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
16.1  livefreeordie  replied to  lennylynx @16    8 years ago

America is blessed to have Trump as president, the best president in 90 years.

and Kavanaugh will join Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch as great justices to the Court.

this is exactly why the totalitarian left is so upset

 
 
 
Fireryone
Freshman Silent
16.1.1  Fireryone  replied to  livefreeordie @16.1    8 years ago
America is blessed to have Trump as president, the best president in 90 years.

that's your opinion and most of the country disagrees. 

this is exactly why the totalitarian left is so upset

Totalitarian right you mean.  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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16.1.2  livefreeordie  replied to  Fireryone @16.1.1    8 years ago

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Skrekk
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16.1.3  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @16.1.2    8 years ago
Removed for context

What was Prop h8 if not an intrusive, needless and unconstitutional sharia law?    You voted for it.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
16.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @16.1    8 years ago
America is blessed to have Trump as president, the best president in 90 years

I take it you'd feel the same if you found out he was sleeping with your wife, right? Apparently you have no issues with disloyal adulterers who cheat on their spouses, and you're not so hypocritical to claim that doesn't apply to you and your's, not only to the President, right? I take it if you found out your wife had cheated on you multiple times, possibly while you were taking care of your 4 month old, you'd be just fine with it, she's still an honorable person right, you'd support her decision to sleep around then move on to her next husband, right? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. /s

Trump is the Presidential equivalent of Pearl Harbor. He is an offense to America and a direct attack on our values. The fact that some people can't see this is beyond sad. Hopefully people wake up to this fact before we see the same kinds of casualties in a reckless war started by a feckless President.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
16.1.5  arkpdx  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @16.1.4    8 years ago
Apparently you have no issues with disloyal adulterers who cheat on their spouses,

I'll bet that I can come up with some one who cheated on his wife and you bring high praise to. Who really is being being hypocritical? 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
16.1.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  arkpdx @16.1.5    8 years ago
I'll bet that I can come up with some one who cheated on his wife and you bring high praise to. Who really is being being hypocritical? 

I guess you missed the fact that I've said many times, I believed Billy boys accusers and I didn't vote for him. So you can try making unfounded assumptions about me all you want, I'm sure you're well aware whose making an ass of themselves. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
16.1.7  arkpdx  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @16.1.6    8 years ago

Where did I say anything about "Billy boy"? There are others you know .

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
16.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  arkpdx @16.1.7    8 years ago
There are others you know

I'm sure there are, but do I claim to be a self-righteous pastor and then pronounced a serial adulterer to be a "blessing" to America?

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
16.1.9  arkpdx  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @16.1.8    8 years ago

Wouldn't know!  I know I am not a pastor of any kind nor have I ever said any political a blessing from God. I have thanked God that his opponent did not win and is not our president   

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
16.1.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  arkpdx @16.1.9    8 years ago
Wouldn't know!  I know I am not a pastor of any kind

And I wasn't originally replying to you but to the self-proclaimed pastor.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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16.1.11  cobaltblue  replied to  arkpdx @16.1.5    8 years ago
I'll bet that I can come up with some one who cheated on his wife and you bring high praise 

Oh arkie. Are you one of those who are the "Let he who has not raw dogged a porn star right after the birth of his fifth child by his third wife and who have publicly letched after his own daughter cast the first stone" types? Yeah, I guess you are. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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16.1.12  cobaltblue  replied to  livefreeordie @16.1    8 years ago
is exactly why the totalitarian left is so upset

Your broad-brushing is adorable and Hilarious to boot. Too damn funny. 

First, let's define totalitarian: autocratic, undemocratic, one- party, dictatorial, tyrannical, despotic, fascist, oppressive, repressive, illiberal; authoritarian, autarchic, absolute, absolutist; dystopian.

Now let's just use one example of totalitarianism in action:

Donald Trump’s repeated use of the phrase “enemies of the people” in his attacks on the media has stoked anger and fear not only because of general concerns that he is demonizing a pillar of American democracy, but because of its echoes of totalitarianism.

The phrase has old roots, even appearing in a Shakespeare play, but it became well known in the 20th century when it was adopted by dictators from Stalin to Mao, and Nazi propagandists, to justify their murderous purges of millions. Stalin was perhaps most closely associated with the phrase, which successor Nikita Khrushchev specifically denounced in a landmark speech after Stalin’s death, which he used to begin dismantling the dictator’s poisonous legacy.

“Stalin originated the concept ‘enemy of the people’. This term automatically made it unnecessary that the ideological errors of a man be proven,” Khrushchev said in his secret address to the Communist party’s inner circle. “It made possible the use of the cruellest repression, against anyone who in any way disagreed with Stalin, against those who were only suspected of hostile intent, against those who had bad reputations.”

In fact the phrase was first deployed in a modern political sense during the French Revolution, allied with a form of another favourite Trump phrase, “fake news”, according to the New York Times. Revolutionaries first bandied the term around casually to denounce their enemies, then a law was passed in 1794 explicitly targeting “enemies of the people”, which made crimes including “spreading false news” punishable by death.

Over a century later, Hitler’s propagandist Joseph Goebbels and other Nazis would describe Jews and other groups that his government targeted for detention and murder as “enemies of the people”.

In China, too, Mao Zedong used the term to denounce his enemies, as he crashed through several deadly ideological campaigns, including the “Great Leap Forward” that created a terrible manmade famine, and the Cultural Revolution.

America’s founding fathers considered the press so important to freedom they had fought to win that they put protection for journalists into the constitution, in the famous first amendment. In using a term embraced by dictators and authoritarian regimes around the world, Trump is showing disturbing contempt for that tradition of treating a vibrant media as a key pillar of democracy.

Oh. And I was thrilled to hear that Trump has come out and embraced that he and Kim Jong Un fell in love. I wonder where they're registered? Maybe Bed, Bath and Beyond Crazy? And which one's the pitcher and which one's the catcher?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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16.1.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @16.1.13    8 years ago

Holy shit....that's not even satire!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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16.1.15  cobaltblue  replied to  Trout Giggles @16.1.14    8 years ago
Holy shit....that's not even satire!

Nope. True shit. 

Nothing illustrates the hypocrisy of the Republican Party during the era of Donald Trump more than their willingness to give the president a complete pass on his bizarre statements about North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un. Speaking at a rally on Saturday night in West Virginia, Trump revealed that he had   “fell in love”   with the very man Republicans labeled a “nut job” and a “lunatic” just a few years ago. “I was really being tough and so was he. And we would go back and forth. And then we fell in love, ok? No really. He wrote me beautiful letters. And they’re great letters. And then we fell in love.”

Cite .

Does this make Trumplethinskin Mrs. Short And Fat Rocket Man??

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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16.1.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  cobaltblue @16.1.15    8 years ago

I bet he's not even embarrassed at that

"beautiful letters...great letters"

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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16.1.17  cobaltblue  replied to  livefreeordie @16.1    8 years ago
America is blessed to have Trump as president

Blessed? Blessed? Someone who has claimed multiple times he finds his daughter so attractive he'd date her?? He wants to fuck his own daughter and we're blessed? He takes his mistress on a skiing trip with his family? Of course his family didn't know since he put her up in a nearby hotel, but that's blessed? Blessed that he's cheated contractors and friends and that's been proven? Blessed? He fucks a porn star without a condom right after the birth of his fifth child with his third wife, and that's blessed? 

What fuckin' religion do you belong to??? Holy shit. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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16.1.19  cobaltblue  replied to  Release The Kraken @16.1.18    8 years ago
specializes in anal porn

Well, she did fuck a yuge ass. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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16.1.20  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  arkpdx @16.1.5    8 years ago
Who really is being being hypocritical? 

You.  That was an easy one. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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19  cobaltblue    8 years ago

Check out the big brain on Brett!

Fuckin' brilliant ....

 
 
 
pat wilson
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19.1  pat wilson  replied to  cobaltblue @19    8 years ago

Good one !

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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19.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  pat wilson @19.1    8 years ago

Didn't disappoint. Samuel Jackson should run ALL of these hearings. Especially loved the John McCain cock holster bit. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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19.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  Thrawn 31 @19.1.1    8 years ago
Samuel Jackson should run ALL of these hearings.

I'm watching Django Unchained for the 2nd time.   Effing brilliant.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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19.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  cobaltblue @19    8 years ago

Where did you find that? That is absolutely great! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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19.2.1  cobaltblue  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @19.2    8 years ago
Where did you find that? That is absolutely great!

A friend sent it to me ... omigawd, some people are brilliant It came from someone's twitter account. I've watched several times, of course.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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19.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  cobaltblue @19    8 years ago

Haven't seen it yet but if it is what I think it is I already love it.

 
 
 
Ender
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19.4  Ender  replied to  cobaltblue @19    8 years ago

Hahaha.

Loved the part about Graham.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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20  cobaltblue    8 years ago
 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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22  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    8 years ago

Neither Feinstein nor her staff leaked the letter.  It was sent to the FBI confidentially and would probably have never seen the light of day had it not been leaked by someone there.  And a stinking Brett Kavanaugh might have sailed into the SC.  but for that leak.  And I say the country owes a debt to whomever did leak it so we have a chance to keep this horrible POS off the SC.  As it is, his lying ass shouldn't even be permitted to stay on the DC circuit.  If his rise to the SC  can be stopped the next step would be his removal from that bench.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
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22.1  Skrekk  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @22    8 years ago
It was sent to the FBI confidentially and would probably have never seen the light of day had it not been leaked by someone there. 

It's possible but not certain that Ford's name was leaked to reports (other than the WaPo) by one of Ford's friends......but the really suspicious part is that GOP operative Ed Whelan knew her identity shortly after the FBI forwarded a supposedly "redacted" copy of Ford's letter to the WH, and several hours before her name was known to the public.

It could have been Kavanaugh himself who told Whelan that Ford might be his accuser based on the details of her letter.   Whelan is not only a close friend of Kavanaugh but he's been one of his confirmation advisers.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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22.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @22.1.1    8 years ago
That leaves Ford's representative and her office, Feinstein and her office, Ford's attorneys, or Ford as the only ones who could have leaked it.

That's rather obviously false given when Whelan first learned her name.

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The story broke before Feinstein sent the letter, redacting Judge's and Ford's names.
The copy which Feinstein sent the FBI wasn't redacted but by then Ford was being harassed by reporters.    It was the copy which the FBI sent the WH which supposedly was.......and shortly after that Whelan learned who the accuser was several hours before Ford's name was reported in the press.
 
 
 
Skrekk
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22.1.4  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @22.1.3    8 years ago
The report was leaked even before Feinstein turned over the letter.

Ford's name wasn't reported to the public until several hours after the FBI sent the WH a supposedly redacted copy of the letter, so it's clear that GOP operatives like Whelan got the info from non-public sources.    The only thing that was known to the public before that was the fact that there was an allegation of sexual assault against Kavanaugh - none of the names were known.

That's why it's quite plausible that once the redacted copy had been sent to the WH that Kavanaugh himself realized which sexual assault was being discussed and thus who the complaint had to be.   No wonder his buddy Whelan learned Ford's name almost immediately thereafter.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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22.1.6  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @22.1.5    8 years ago
So now you accuse the FBI of lying when it said that they sent a redacted copy to the WH.

LOL.   The fact that the FBI claims they sent the WH a redacted copy means that only Kavanaugh could know which of his victims was the complainant.     Unless of course Kavanaugh had already informed the WH of his various rape attempts even before the victims came forward?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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22.1.8  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @22.1.3    8 years ago
The report was leaked even before Feinstein turned over the letter.

Considering your track record of never documenting any of your pronouncements, that statement is considered a lie until proven otherwise. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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22.1.9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @22.1.7    8 years ago
So how could a blind-drunk person remember a "victim" who he didn't even rape?

So you admit that he did it in a blind drunken state and is pleading loss of memory?  I hope you're not giving him legal advice.  Tex, you and xxjefferson are quite a comedic pair.  

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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22.1.10  cobaltblue  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @22.1.9    8 years ago
So you admit that he did it in a blind drunken state and is pleading loss of memory? 

Updated October 1, 2108:

Chad Ludington, a Yale classmate of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, accused him on Sunday of being untruthful in his testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee and making a "blatant mischaracterization" of his drinking while in college. Read his full statement below:
I have been contacted by numerous reporters about Brett Kavanaugh and have not wanted to say anything because I had nothing to contribute about what kind of Justice he would be. I knew Brett at Yale because I was a classmate and a varsity basketball player and Brett enjoyed socializing with athletes. Indeed, athletes formed the core of Brett's social circle.
In recent days I have become deeply troubled by what has been a blatant mischaracterization by Brett himself of his drinking at Yale. When I watched Brett and his wife being interviewed on Fox News on Monday, and when I watched Brett deliver his testimony under oath to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday, I cringed. For the fact is, at Yale, and I can speak to no other times, Brett was a frequent drinker, and a heavy drinker. I know, because, especially in our first two years of college, I often drank with him. On many occasions I heard Brett slur his words and saw him staggering from alcohol consumption, not all of which was beer. When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive. On one of the last occasions I purposely socialized with Brett, I witnessed him respond to a semi-hostile remark, not by defusing the situation, but by throwing his beer in the man's face and starting a fight that ended with one of our mutual friends in jail.
I do not believe that the heavy drinking or even loutish behavior of an 18 or even 21 year old should condemn a person for the rest of his life. I would be a hypocrite to think so. However, I have direct and repeated knowledge about his drinking and his disposition while drunk. And I do believe that Brett's actions as a 53-year-old federal judge matter. If he lied about his past actions on national television, and more especially while speaking under oath in front of the United States Senate, I believe those lies should have consequences. It is truth that is at stake, and I believe that the ability to speak the truth, even when it does not reflect well upon oneself, is a paramount quality we seek in our nation's most powerful judges.
I can unequivocally say that in denying the possibility that he ever blacked out from drinking, and in downplaying the degree and frequency of his drinking, Brett has not told the truth.  I felt it was my civic duty to tell of my experience while drinking with Brett, and I offer this statement to the press. I have no desire to speak further publicly, and nothing more to say to the press at this time. I will however, take my information to the FBI.
While I have yet been convinced he assaulted Dr. Ford and will await the now limited FBI investigation, his partisan testimony, his lack of self-control and impulse-control, his conspiracy theory bullshit and his theatrical antics have me convinced he is somewhat unstable and should not be named to the Supreme Court. He cannot be counted on for nonpartisan judgments handed down from the bench. He's a fuckin' nut. 
 
 
 
cobaltblue
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22.1.12  cobaltblue  replied to  Texan1211 @22.1.11    8 years ago
Despite how many times you try to pull it off.

Oh dear god. Fuckin' hilarious! Thank you for making my day. I had a good morning too. I realized there are some people who put the dick in ridiculous. 

Have a great day!

 
 
 
Fireryone
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22.1.13  Fireryone  replied to  Texan1211 @22.1.11    8 years ago
No, many Democrats have claimed he was blackout drunk,

Do you really believe that this is where we are? That people are going to come forward and lie (while being able to demonstrate kavanaughs lies) just because they are Dems?  That's absurd. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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22.1.14  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @22.1.1    8 years ago
That the FBI Leaked it is an outright lie.

Yet another one of your now very famous streak of pronouncements without a speck of evidence.  You've created quite the reputation for that, Tex. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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23  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    8 years ago

As Red Sox fans used to say: "You knew that was gonna happen."

A Yale classmate attempting to corroborate  Deborah Ramirez ’s account that, during her freshman year at Yale, Kavanaugh thrust his penis in her face at a drunken party, said that he, too, has struggled unsuccessfully to reach the F.B.I. The classmate, who asked to remain anonymous, recalled hearing about Ramirez’s allegation either the night it happened or during the following two days. The classmate said that he was “one-hundred-per-cent certain” that he had heard an account that was practically identical to Ramirez’s, thirty-five years ago, but the two had never spoken about it. He had hoped to convey this to the F.B.I., but, when he reached out to a Bureau official in Washington, D.C., he was told to contact the F.B.I. field office nearest his home. When he tried that, he was referred to a recording. After several attempts to reach a live person at the field office, he finally reached an official who he said had no idea what he was talking about. At this point, he went back to the official at the F.B.I.’s D.C. headquarters, who then referred him, too, to an 800-number tip line. (He eventually left a tip through an online portal.) From The New Yorker  online dated Sep. 30 (still having problems pasting URLs on this site)

We've heard the denials that this "investigation" is being micromanaged out of Don McGahn's office and it appears to be literally true.  Seems it's being designed to obtain microscopic amounts of data.  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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24  Hal A. Lujah    8 years ago

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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24.1  cobaltblue  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @24    8 years ago
Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanagh VS Pulp Fiction's Jules

I've watched this at least ten times and it makes me laugh just as hard every time! 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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24.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @24    8 years ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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25  cobaltblue    8 years ago

would-quit-drinking-second-find-more-convenient-way-getting-all-beer-into-body-ecard.jpg

I like beer. I still like beer. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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25.2  GregTx  replied to  cobaltblue @25    8 years ago

Thanks alot, now I've got this stuck in my head and I can't decide on how I want to purge it. So, to return the favor..

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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25.2.1  cobaltblue  replied to  GregTx @25.2    8 years ago
So, to return the favor..

I love it! My favorite part is when he sings "my wife often frowns when we're out on the town, and I'm wearing a suit and a tie..." Ha!

384

 
 
 
Ender
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26  Ender    8 years ago

Ok people. Seem to be slacking . I see one article on the front page that is not about this.

Need to rectify this soon.

 
 
 
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