Trump Supporters Profess Profound Ignorance
A new poll this morning showed that 40% of Republicans would choose Donald Trump to be the Republican presidential nominee in 2024. That number is more than twice what the second place choice in this poll, Mike Pence (18%) received.
Here are two videos with interviews with trump supporters. The profound ignorance of these people, even now after all that has happened, cannot be denied.
(this one has a lot of commentary by the host , so you may need to skip through to the sections containing the interviews with trumpsters)
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Too many people want to attack people like me. This country is not ready for "everyone to get along". Not even close.
Here's a thought, show some concern over the millions, MILLIONS of people who believe the lies Trump has told them over 5 years.
Get a grip, please.
I couldn't watch the whole thing and didn't even try to listen to the second one. The stunning amount of wrong thinking, ignorance and flat-out stupidity is just too much for me to handle this morning
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awesome record of predictions
Yeah, we'll put those right alongside these other gems:
The stock market will crash under Trump
Trump will have us in a war
The GOP won't see the WH for a generation
The GOP is dead.
why are you putting words in my mouth? unlike the person I was responding to, I didn't claim to predict those things. why are you responding for that person? blah, blah, blah, they did it first, they do it too, they all do it... blah, blah, blah ...
Some folks feel the need to speak for others . . .
Trump will lie 25,000 times.
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Trump will incite dumbasses to riot and insurrection.
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Trump will embarrass the United States like no other public figure in history ever has before.
Well, when you read AND comprehend my post you will learn I did not put any words in your mouth, so let's start by trash-canning THAT part of your post.
No one here claimed you predicted diddly-squat. Get it straight.
Come on dev, you know that every liberal must expect to be held responsible for what ANY liberal says, while conservatives are only to be held responsible for their own words.
How dare you refuse to acquiesce to their debate MO?
Bend the knee dev, bend the knee.
I hope that the sarcasm tag isn't necessary for that last bit...
Jan. 24, 2020:
Adam Schiff:
If the truth doesn’t matter, we’re lost. Framers couldn’t protect us from ourselves, if right and truth don’t matter. And you know that what he did was not right. That’s what they do in the old country, that Colonel Vindman’s father came from. Or the old country that my great grandfather came from, or the old countries that your ancestors came from, or maybe you came from. But here, right is supposed to matter. It’s what’s made us the greatest nation on earth. No constitution can protect us, right doesn’t matter any more. And you know you can’t trust this President to do what’s right for this country. You can trust he will do what’s right for Donald Trump. He’ll do it now. He’s done it before. He’ll do it for the next several months. He’ll do it in the election if he’s allowed to. This is why if you find him guilty, you must find that he should be removed. Because right matters. Because right matters and the truth matters. Otherwise, we are lost.
Adam Schiff??? This is a bit, right?
Adam Schiff----'nuff said.
The war Trump has us in is happening right here in America.
Your hyperbole is duly noted.
Since when are conservatives held responsible for anyone's words?
Rare as hen's teeth.
Oh, the irony of this coming from Adam Schiff. The guy who went on national TV and repeatedly claimed to have "more than circumstantial evidence" of collusion between Trump and Russia, when he didn't have such evidence, and also while he was being briefed that no such evidence existed.
Thanks for the link to the paywalled opinion piece.
I'll believe the evidence of collusion that I read in the Mueller report.
Since when are conservatives held responsible for anything? The only thing they have mastered over the last 240 years of our nation has been weaseling out of their former position when that position has been shown to be monumentally ignorant, racist or flawed. Conservatives fought to conserve the status quo of slavery, fought to conserve bans on women voting, fought to conserve bans on black Americans voting, fought to conserve segregation, fought to conserve bans on interracial marriage, fought to conserve bans on gay marriage yet now they claim to be "true American patriots fighting for freedom" all while defending conservative seditionists who attacked our Capital in a failed coup.
You should a get a subscription. You might learn some things.
Why would I spend funds on a subscription to read conservative opinions when I can read that bullshit for free right here.
I prefer to garner facts and formulate my own opinion over relying on others opinions to tell me what I should think.
But hey, you be you...
Funny how some think that they can teach anyone else . . . anything at all . . .
Funny how some think no one else can teach them anything.
Funny how some think that they have posted anything worth learning.
"Funny how some think that they have posted anything worth learning."
Seriously, another poster thinks that by me not reading their bogus links, that I refuse to learn . . . like they have anything to teach me
"Funny how some think no one else can teach them anything."
Not no one else - just tRump supporters/enablers
This does show however, why the right is so opposed to education. Higher the education, more likely to vote Democrat.
The right is not opposed to education.
Why do you feel you need to tell a falsehood about that?
And have you ever, ever, ever bothered to look at which party some of the poorest-educated groups of voters tend to vote overwhelmingly for?
Rhetorical, of course.
Truth and reality have a liberal bias
Care to compare ACT/SAT scores by state? (last time I checked... Texas was down around 48th)
Ooooh, nice deflection!!
I didn't figure folks could deal with the actual facts, hence my "rhetorical" tag.
Great job there!
You probably need to update your understanding of where Texas ranks then.
Average ACT Score by State 2020 (worldpopulationreview.com)
https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-and-act...
Did you notice the participation rates of some states are less than 10%? That's because they use the ACT and not the SAT. Arkansas uses the ACT. This chart is helpful but when I saw TN was higher than PA I had to look again. PA has a much higher participation rate than TN, so more students taking the SAT...more chances of lower scores (raises hand)
"Pew survey finds majority of Republicans continue to hold negative views of impact of higher ed -- a development that began before the election of President Trump."
"Josh Hawley, the junior senator from Missouri, is keenly aware of how higher education can serve as a springboard into the elite and the challenges facing those it leaves behind. But that’s not to say he’s a cheerleader for the higher-education industry. Like many on the right, the senator often speaks of the higher-education sector as a kind of cartel, one that has left America’s non-college-educated majority out in the cold."
At a recent gathering of conservatives, for example, Hawley drew a straight line from the declining economic prospects of non-college-educated workers to a number of social maladies. “Just about any American worker without a four-year college degree will have a hard time in the cosmopolitan economy. Maybe that’s one reason why marriage rates among working-class Americans are falling, why birth rates are falling, why life expectancy is falling. All the while, an epidemic of suicide and drug addiction ravages every sector, every age group, every geography of the working class.”
"As the Pew Research Center finds in a new survey, there’s been a sharp increase in dissatisfaction with America’s colleges and universities among Republicans in recent years, and it makes perfect sense for right-of-center policy makers to want to do something about it."
"Two years ago, Pew Research Center found that Republicans and Democrats were more divided along ideological lines than at any point in the previous two decades. But growing ideological distance is not confined to partisanship. There are also growing ideological divisions along educational and generational lines."
" Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values . And these differences have increased over the past two decades."
Perhaps if Republican leaders like Josh Hawley weren't blaming all conservatives ill's on higher education they would have a much better view of it.
Yes.... Participation rate is duly noted.... and/or the lack of it.
How is it the fault of educated liberals that working class conservatives are losing economic prospects? I don't think everyone should go to a 4 year college, I do believe that many are better suited for vocational training. We will always have a need for HVAC, plumbers, carpenters, hair dressers, barbers, water treatment operators, waste water treatment operators, air craft mechanics....
Many of these vocations are learned in the military, which I'm glad they do. But we need to encourage young people that don't want to join the military to consider a Vo-Tech or something similar. If the working class are losing economic opportunities, they should probably consider some more training and/or education.
From the source article
I agree that we need all sorts of skills. Sadly, revenue is completely skewed against all the diploma-less skills. A Wall Street trader who adds no real value to the economy gets thousands of times more than the plumber who actually does something.
I have a Bachelor's Degree. I remember next to nothing from college, over fifty years ago. OTOH... I've done some stuff, and learned stuff over that half-century.
For the last twenty years of my active professional life, my work was based on training acquired after forty.
This is more than just a political issue. Our whole society needs to change it's perceptions.
History says you are wrong.
Poorest states, with the poorest citizens vote Republican.
It remains a lie that the GOP opposes education.
That was the claim.
All the other stuff is just bullshit in a very weak attempt to deflect from getting called on that lie.
The hell it does.
Two of the largest demographics which make up much of the Democratic Party base are among the two lowest-educated groups in America, and your little spinning can't and won't change that fact.
Look it up if you don't believe it!
Every group that wants to abolish the Dept. of Education are conservative. Trump campaigned on dissolving the Department and DeVos did her best to make it a laughing stock and did it as much damage as she could.
One's level of education has NO relation to one's political OPPOSITION to education Tex.
Amazingly enough, our test scores as a nation and our educational standing in the world was better before we had a Dept. of Education.
Being opposed to a government agency isn't the same thing as opposing education. Didn't your critical-thinking teachers teach that to you?
I never said it did. Critical thinking skills again apparently lacking, tsk, tsk.
Have to admit that I am a little surprised no one has trotted out the usual quote yet!
How is that relevant to supporting or opposing education?
It's a pretty good start.
I never needed anyone to teach me critical thinking Tex.
I was wondering how long it would take you to devolve into the snarky bullshit.
If it isn't relevant, why did you write this??
Make up your mind--either your AND my post are irrelevant, or they both are.
Unsubstantiated nonsense.
After you declaring my on-topic response to you as off-topic, that certainly is up for debate!
If you are incapable of understanding the difference between my comment and yours I can't help you.
Nope. They're not the same concept Tex.
Unfounded opinion.
Since this isn't my seed, HOW the fuck did I do that Tex?
Have at it...
you are always entertaining, at least.
AMEN! I'm very glad to say that my daughter is pursuing a career in the trades! There are several schools in MI that cater to those that don't want to join the military, but DO want to pursue the trades.
OMG! We agree on something again! Mark it down in your calendar!
Calendar's getting messy...
Heck, my plumber makes more money an hour than my primary care doc does. I'm all for it.
Especially considering the medical malpractice insurance costs... and the cost of education for a doctor compared to a plumber! $100,000 + education cost for a doctor and depending on the type of doctor will determine the time and places that an aspiring doctor will intern while they're paying astronomical student loans and likely requiring a 2nd job to make ends meet. OR... $20,000 for the education to get a plumber's certificate; once the certificate is obtained, that person works as a PAID apprentice for approx. 2 years to obtain a journeyman's card. So, three years after graduating HS, someone can have a journeyman's card rather than going to school another 8-12 years [depending on specialty] before doing anything remotely close to your goal.
Certainly, a plumber starts earning early, but...
We had to call a plumber out on a Friday evening when the service line from the meter broke. It was on our side of the meter so our responsibility. It took the plumber less than 20 minutes but the bill was about $200. But I'm glad to pay professionals to do the things I can't and won't do. I know my limitations
Right... that was kinda my point. It changes drastically once both professions are finished with their internship / apprenticeship.
So, I may be off with the hourly rate.
20 minutes is rounded up to 1/2 an hour. My husband and I fix our own plumbing.
I do too. Change a toilet out, sinks, drain, etc. Just can't do major sewage or line repair.
My husband can do certain minor jobs since he's a dorm manager and has to do minor repair jobs. But there was no way he was going to fix that broken water line and then end up calling a plumber to fix it again
Makes sense... I think we'd be fined where I live if we did try to do that.
My husband and I gutted and rebuilt our main bathroom together, which also meant plumbing and minor electrical. There's very little that he and I won't try and tackle together. We had a company do our 20 windows and our siding though. And we'll have a company come do our roof... our pitch is too steep for me!!! Oh yeah! We paid $100 for someone to put in a chimney liner when we did our new furnace.
I can understand that.
About 20 or so years ago had to replace the sewer line from the house to the city. Cost me a grand back then and that was knowing the people.
Replaced the old clay pipes with PVC. In the house I am in now, that was already done.
Did pay to have a new HVAC system put in. Not going to try things like that. Worked out well too until the last day. As the tec was backing up he ran over the water main. Flooded the whole street.
Forty-odd years ago, I more or less rebuilt an old farmhouse (1740s old). But now...
I have bad knees (one is plastic), and a bad back. Oh, and a bad heart...
I don't do anything! Gradually, we've come to know most of the professionals in this part of town!
One thing I never learned was working on cars. My Brother in law can take apart an engine (the whole vehicle) and put it back together like it was nothing. Something I was never taught.
A little embarrassing when guys are supposed to know things like that. Haha
Me and my Cousins put a metal roof on my Aunt's house. Now things like that yeah.
Lately too though, I am getting older and lazier.
I used to know all that stuff, but last time I heard cars no longer had carburetors, distributors, breaker points, ...
Twenty years ago, already, we had owned a new car for several weeks before I realized that I didn't know if the engine was north-south or east-west.
I can still fill the windshield washer tank.
I've always said I don't get the coal miners who die at exceptionally young rates of black lung disease, buy that they weren't worthy of so much better or more than that kind of work. What's even more infuriating, they have often had opportunity they shunned themselves. However, it is also not lost on me that many were easily misled by their economic anxiety, their misled egos of what it means to be a man all cast upon the promise of a resurgence of their coal industry jobs. Did you see Hannity Virginia in 2016 campaigning for the coal masters of these miners? Mygawd, that was one of the most dispicable acts of bullshit I've ever seen but the miners, ate it up like it was manna from heaven. Miners are still dying at terrible rates, while the industry is poisoning their families and their towns. How can we help people who refuse to help themselves?
When a man is starving, he'll follow the odors lingering in the air to the meat baking in the oven of life. He'll even die for it. I've always had a sadness about some in the southern area's plight when they had no opportunity. I blame the oligarchy on that and their red leaders of the south, because it has been completely by design. There's a reason why Donald LOVES the uneducated. Many wanted to be loved by somebody. I understand despair. I don't understand supremacy on any level as it has ever been a winner for any civilization's survival rate but that fact is likley just too heady for most to understand. And that in too many cases, isn't their fault.
I'm lucky enough to have a dad that retired from HVAC.
Don't be embarrassed. I've had to repair my stepdad's vehicles in the past, because he never learned how to work on cars... and I got my dad's "mechanical gene" and have been working on cars since I was little.
It's pretty rare to find people that know how to work on the older AND newer cars. My husband is "old school" and I know just enough on newer cars to be dangerous.
I didn't watch any of it. I don't have to listen to it to know it is the voices of pure ignorance.
Hey there Miss Trout! Glad to see you're still here kickin' ass!
I can't watch even a second of it as I've seen too much already. The thing of it is, these people have been misled by a cast of power house characters that is more frightening than these brainwashed dudes. The purposeful militarization by the mega churches preying on their indoctrinate's fears, the ones who purposefully kept a lot of white people down economically, those who fan the flame of white supremacy because don't we just know THEY are so damn much smarter than the rest. And then there are the bigger wallet asswipes who think they have a right to usurp our democracy so they can make a caste system to benefit them. As we know, the enemy is within.
I do get why some of these people were so easily misled. They've been fear-fed for years and decades. I think it will take a few generations to undo all that misled hate and fear.
Hey, yourself, Sweetheart! Glad to see you've returned.
That fear ramped up after 9/11. Don't get me wrong, I was pretty frightened the day it happened but after about a week I calmed down and started listening to my elected officials. Needless to say I was not impressed with how they were handling things
Thank you. Good to be back and see all of you. Looking forward to catching up more soon!
Yep, 9/11 gave way to a lot of fear-fed lies & how that was all stoked by racism and theocracy.
We see the same stunning stupidity in some comments.
Like that commercial..." We all see it, dont..., we all see it"
I was thinking someone ought to have gone right away and gave Trump a blow job so he could be impeached for really bad offenses!
You get a cigar for that comment....Haha
Yeah, sometimes those realisms just hit us smack dab up along side the goddamn head, eh? Har!