╌>

Judge Jeanine Slams Biden, Harris Over Mask Mandates

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  john-russell  •  5 years ago  •  238 comments

By:   Katherine Huggins (Mediaite)

Judge Jeanine Slams Biden, Harris Over Mask Mandates
Fox News' Jeanine Pirro blasted attempts on Saturday to reinstate indoor mask mandates amid the rise of the Delta variant.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



By Katherine HugginsJul 31st, 2021, 10:23 pm Twitter share button <?php // Post Body ?>

Fox News' Jeanine Pirro blasted attempts on Saturday to reinstate indoor mask mandates amid the rise of the Delta variant, blaming it on the Biden administration failing to meet its July 4 goal of vaccinating 70% of the U.S. adult population.

Pirro argued that the administration is too concerned about the health of non-citizens, referencing Attorney General Merrick Garland's threats to Gov. Greg Abbott (R-TX) on an order restricting illegal immigration amid the pandemic.

"He said the governor of Texas was jeopardizing the health and safety of non-citizens in federal custody," she said. "Notice his concern is for non-citizens. Not American citizens. Yet the federal government wants us, American citizens, to mask up, even if we have been vaccinated, even when we are inside."

Pirro continued, "Nancy Pelosi tells Congress and staff to mask up in the people's House or face arrests and fines. The truth? The Biden administration failed at their effort to get us vaccinated by July 4. Now we have to pay the price."

Pirro then played clips of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris expressing distrust in any vaccine produced under former president Donald Trump.

"Now, you want to mask us because you clearly failed in your effort to get us vaccinated because the totalitarian impulse within you is so strong," Pirro said. "Nothing makes sense."

The federal government has not instituted a universal mask mandate, but Biden did announce earlier this week a vaccine-or-mask mandate for federal employees and some contractors while indoors.

Pirro's comments also come as some cities, including Los Angeles and Washington D.C., have reinstated indoor mask mandates — even for those who are vaccinated — as well as after the House began reimposing fines on lawmakers who fail to mask up within the House chambers.

Most mandates were the result of rising cases and a surge of the Delta variant. The variant has renewed concern about hospitalizations in certain areas, though the overall national rate has remained low.

"This attempt to mask us at a time when hospitalizations and deaths are almost at an all-time low is laughable," Pirro said, after complaining about undocumented immigrants who were released from ICE custody. "Isn't the goal to keep people from dying of covid? This new Delta variant isn't nearly as lethal, although it is contagious. And this is your excuse for mandating people were a mask indoors? You don't even monitor people coming in from the Southern border."

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the 7-day average for hospitalizations between July 21-July 27 was 5,475, a 46.3% increase from the prior week. The same weeklong average of new deaths (296) increased 33.3% from the week prior.

The CDC noted that the current average for Covid-19 deaths "is 91.8% lower than the peak observed on January 13, 2021 (3,625) and is 77.1% higher than the lowest value observed on July 10, 2021 (167)."


Tags

jrDiscussion - desc
[]
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1  seeder  JohnRussell    5 years ago

These extreme anti-vaxxers are crazy and evil and evil and crazy. 

Its too bad there is no legal recourse to be taken to shut them the fuck up. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 years ago
These extreme anti-vaxxers are crazy and evil and evil and crazy. 

Both Biden and Harris were, as you said "extreme anti-vaxxers", because Trump was president. Once Biden was president, they both got the same shots that were available when Trump was president. Rather childish and hypocritical!

Do you have any proof that Jeanine Pirro has still refused to get the vaccine? Perhaps she's gotten them when they became available. OR - perhaps she's had Covid and is therefore immune.

The only articles about this I can find are from left wing media in Summer 2020 ... many months before we had vaccines. Examples:

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Quiet
1.1.1  pat wilson  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1    5 years ago

The parts that are left out make clear that Biden and Harris were raising questions not about the vaccines themselves, but about then-President Donald Trump’s rollout of the vaccines and the risk that the effort would become rushed or politicized.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
1.1.2  Snuffy  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.1    5 years ago

I think that article is written very positively for Biden and Harris and leaves the reader with a false impression.  Harris during the campaign stated quite clearly that she did not trust any vaccine developed by Trump. Her concerns on TV were not about the rollout but around how could any vaccine developed that quickly be safe to take and that she herself would not take it.  Then they switched to the distribution of the vaccines when it became clear that everything was moving forward. Even after Biden/Harris took office, they continued to blame the distribution process on Trump clearly stating that the Trump administration had not built any plans or process for distributing vaccines to the people. That was shot down by the CDC as well as Fauci but the administration continued with that tactic until it was clear it was a lie, then the administration just stopped talking about it.

All I can say is what has been said before. Our political machine has become so partisan that anything one side is for the other side must automatically be against it, because to show any reasonableness would be taken as a sign of weakness and allow a victory for the wrong side.  And both sides quite happily switch positions when they feel it's to their political benefit. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.2    5 years ago
Harris during the campaign stated quite clearly that she did not trust any vaccine developed by Trump.

That is not what she said.   She said she would not take the vaccine simply on the recommendation of Trump but rather on the recommendation of qualified medical professionals.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
1.1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.1    5 years ago
make clear that Biden and Harris were raising questions not about the vaccines themselves, but about then-President Donald Trump’s rollout of the vaccines

Harris and Biden made their anti-vaccination comments several months before there was a rollout .

October 2020

If the public health professionals, if Dr. [Anthony] Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it. I’m not taking it.

September, 2020

Let me be clear. I trust vaccines. I trust scientists. But I don't trust Donald Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.2    5 years ago
All I can say is what has been said before. Our political machine has become so partisan that anything one side is for the other side must automatically be against it, because to show any reasonableness would be taken as a sign of weakness and allow a victory for the wrong side.  And both sides quite happily switch positions when they feel it's to their political benefit. 

Indeed.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
1.1.6  Snuffy  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.3    5 years ago
She said she would not take the vaccine simply on the recommendation of Trump but rather on the recommendation of qualified medical professionals.

True, she said that during the vice presidential debate. But based on how the partisan politics around this have flowed it quickly morphed. When the vaccines first went to the CDC for emergency use authorization and when first released to the public, Trump was still the president. So of course his name was still going to be associated with the guidance on the vaccine.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1    5 years ago
Both Biden and Harris were, as you said "extreme anti-vaxxers", because Trump was president. 

Complete nonsense. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
1.1.8  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.7    5 years ago
Complete nonsense. 

You're calling left-wing MSN, Salon, and Media Matters "complete nonsense"?  LOL!

OK, John. See left wing Yahoo and ABC in  1.1.4  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.6    5 years ago

Watch and listen to the video I provided.   She did not say she would refuse the vaccine if it was attributed to Trump.   She said she would take it if Dr. Fauci and/or other qualified medical professionals recommended it.

It does not matter if Trump had credit for the vaccine, if it was labeled the 'Trump Vaccine' or if delivered by a needle with a 'Trump' sticker on it.   She said that she would take it based on qualified medical recommendation and would not take it if simply recommended by Trump.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
1.1.10  CB  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.3    5 years ago

It is like some conservatives are in a whole 'nother state of mind where there is hearing and limited comprehension which is the key to an exchange of information and ideas.The reason she did it is as you state.

Furthermore, Donald Trump loss confidence with the citizenry (especially democrats and largely independents) by sparring with scientists, research institutions, and making himself the center of the coronavirus narrative—and finally President Trump unceremoniously pulled out the communications link to the research when he shut down White House Briefing on the Coronavirus. An act which sealed his fate as untrustworthy and unaccountable to the needs of our society in a time of crisis.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
1.1.11  Snuffy  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.9    5 years ago

Reading what I wrote in 1.1.6,  I did say "True, she said that during the vice presidential debate."    And nowhere else in that comment did I mention anything else that she said.  So I'm already in agreement with you.  

However I did also say that as Trump was the president when the vaccine came out to the public that his name was ALWAYS going to be associated with it. I could have sworn I heard a sound-bite where she said she would not take the trump vaccine but I cannot find it so I cannot offer any proof.  So I have already accepted what you wrote as the truth.  So, end of fucking discussion,  you good?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.12  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.4    5 years ago

“If the public health professionals, if Dr. [Anthony] Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely,” Harris said during the live debate in Salt Lake City, when she was asked if Americans should take a vaccine, if the Trump administration were to approve one either before or after the election. “But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it. I’m not taking it.”

  1. Fact check: Footage shows Kamala Harris receiving COVID-19 ...

    ...

    Jan 05, 2021   · Vice President-elect Kamala Harris received a COVID-19 vaccination on Dec. 28, 2020 on live television in an effort to boost public confidence in immunizations .

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.13  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.11    5 years ago
However I did also say that as Trump was the president when the vaccine came out to the public that his name was ALWAYS going to be associated with it. I could have sworn I heard a sound-bite where she said she would not take the trump vaccine but I cannot find it so I cannot offer any proof.

And that is what I reacted to.   You think later she changed her position and would not take it if the credit for the Trump vaccine would be given to Trump.   I am unaware of her saying anything to that effect.   If she did, that would be a petty partisan (and truly stupid) thing for her to say.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
1.1.14  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.12    5 years ago

Well, good for her. She changed her mind and proved she did trust Donald Trump while he was president!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.1    5 years ago

Thanks for the clarification, Pat.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.8    5 years ago

[removed]

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.16    5 years ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
1.1.18  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.17    5 years ago

You're two days off...jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @1.1.18    5 years ago

I'm always late to the party

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.22  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @1.1.18    5 years ago

Fixed the problem for myself. She is now on ignore so I don't have to read her nauseating I'm-so-superior-to-everyone comments. And that stupid avatar...

bring on ticket number 3 with points please

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.1.24  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.22    5 years ago

Butt, you two going at it makes me nostalgic...

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
1.1.25  Split Personality  replied to  JBB @1.1.24    5 years ago

14 years under several different names, lol.

No, not nostalgic.jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.1.26  JBB  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.25    5 years ago

Is that all? It seems longer...

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
1.1.27  Split Personality  replied to  JBB @1.1.26    5 years ago

OMG, seems like yesterday someone from New Jersey was complaining about the Wolff circling her home in DFW.

SMH

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.28  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.27    5 years ago

Now you and JBB are cracking me up

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
2  Greg Jones    5 years ago

The idiotic hypocrisy of the Biden administration and Pelosi's mask mandates of fully vaccinated people, while allowing thousands of likely infected migrants to disperse across the US....is amazing.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Greg Jones @2    5 years ago

Instead of masking the vaccinated Americans, they should focus on improving their messaging for unvaccinated Black and Hispanic American communities, because they lag far behind other demographics.

It's also important to note that approximately 30% of unvaccinated illegal aliens who've been released into the interior of the US refused our free vaccines. That's tens of thousands of adults and teens who weren't even tested upon entry and release.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
2.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1    5 years ago

This is to both Greg and Jasper

The idiotic hypocrisy of the Biden administration and Pelosi's mask mandates of fully vaccinated people, while allowing thousands of likely infected migrants to disperse across the US....is amazing.
It's also important to note that approximately 30% of unvaccinated illegal aliens who've been released into the interior of the US refused our free vaccines. That's tens of thousands of adults and teens who weren't even tested upon entry and release.

Could someone... anyone please back that up. I have read loads of statistics on this, and nowhere is there one on that, that I can find.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.2  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    5 years ago

It is spelled, "C O N S P I R A C Y  T H E O R Y".

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
2.1.3  Snuffy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    5 years ago

They do not name the ICE official who they say confirmed the statement, just that it was confirmed by an ICE official.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    5 years ago
Could someone... anyone please back that up. I have read loads of statistics on this, and nowhere is there one on that, that I can find.

Easy peasy. I'll take care of my own comment:

It's also important to note that approximately 30% of unvaccinated illegal aliens who've been released into the interior of the US refused our free vaccines. That's tens of thousands of adults and teens who weren't even tested upon entry and release.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
2.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.3    5 years ago

OK this is what he said:

Almost a third of illegal immigrants in the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) have refused the opportunity to receive a coronavirus vaccine .

Which means they are not in the general population. 

And then there is this stat from the same article:

Coincidentally, the vaccination rate among those in ICE custody is slightly higher than the rate among eligible Americans.

Well done Americans, not. 

And also this:

So far, the Biden administration has resisted pressure from immigration advocates to scrap Title 42 , which was enacted by then-President Donald Trump in March 2020 and allows US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to expel migrants to avoid the virus’ spread in holding facilities. However, the administration has been allowing unaccompanied children and some family units to remain in the US after crossing the border.

Which clearly says he is not allowing them in.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
2.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.4    5 years ago

Read my post above.

They are not being allowed in. They are at the border in detention camps. Our gov is trying to give them vaccines, which they are taking at a higher rate than Americans. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
2.1.7  Snuffy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.5    5 years ago
Which clearly says he is not allowing them in.

Actually I don't think the article is all that clear about it.  In the article it also states three things that can lead people to believe that infected people are being released into the country.

It is unclear how many inmates have been offered a vaccine. However, Axios reported last week that the ICE had distributed more than 95 percent of an initial allotment of 10,000 doses of the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine .

The total number of inmates held by ICE stood at 27,067 as of the week ending July 16.

More than 188,000 illegal immigrants were apprehended at the US-Mexico border in June, the highest total for that month in at least 22 years.

The article doesn't state how many of those 188,000 apprehended were returned to Mexico or their home countries,  doesn't state how many of them were released into the country with instructions to report to their local immigration officials and doesn't show how many of them are in custody.  All it shows is that ICE got an allotment of 10,000 single-shot doses and apprehended 188k immigrants in the month of June.  Would be nice to see cumulative numbers to show how many immigrants have been apprehended, how many returned, how many have been released into the country  and how many of those have gotten shots. But either the government is not willing to release those numbers or our outstanding "/s" news organizations are not bothering to report all the news in order to avoid appearing competent. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.8  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.5    5 years ago
Which means they are not in the general population. 

Oh?

"Not everyone we encounter we test, only those that exhibit some type of symptoms and not everybody has symptoms that has it," Chris Cabrera, a vice president of the National Border Patrol Council, said Saturday on "Fox News Live." 

And we’re releasing people out of the door day in and day out with actual positive tests for COVID and more keep popping up," he said.

Cabrera also warned that his sector alone has seen 20,000 apprehension of migrants at the border, with 2-3,000 every day just in the area -- and that doesn’t take into consideration those who are evading overwhelmed Border Patrol agents.

Which clearly says he is not allowing them in.

I see. Then, CBP/ICE officers, state and local police, mayors, and governors are all lying. Got it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.8    5 years ago

There is policy and then there are operational screw ups.   No doubt that some percentage of illegals testing positive will get into the general population due to sloppy operations.   Your link, if we take it as 100% truth, simply identifies an example of a screw up.

Are you arguing that it is Biden's policy to knowingly allow COVID-19 positive individuals into this nation?

If not, then it seems you are arguing that the system is imperfect.   If so, I agree.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.10  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.9    5 years ago

I am wondering if they are arguing that the people caught at the border should have mandated shots...

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.11  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    5 years ago
Could someone... anyone please back that up. I have read loads of statistics on this, and nowhere is there one on that, that I can find.

Seek and ye shall find if actually interested.

New Influx of Covid-19 Patients Floods U.S. Border State Hospitals

But Who Are They? Reporters Don't Want to Know

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DHS continues releasing busloads of migrants at overcrowded shelter, prompting urgent calls for pause

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Surge in COVID-positive migrants being released in US

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

30 percent of illegal immigrants in border facilities refused COVID vaccine: report

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Even Catholic Charities in I believe La Joys TX is telling CBP that they cannot take anymore illegals in as they have no room or resources left.   Those that CC takes in, eventually get transported to any and all areas of the country with no prior notice to the authorities in those locations.   CC is running a COVID hotel, but those people are under no supervision and the local Sheriff was apparently called when the residents decided to go to a local Whattaburger coughing all the time.   

What's troubling is that while CBP is doing everything they can to control the chaos brought on the southern border by the Biden administration policies, they are limited in numbers and the numbers reported by them do not take into account the "got aways".  Those are the people that CBP knew of, but due to manpower shortages, could not get to the area in time to accomplish stopping the illegals coming in.  And CBP knows of thousands on those people by aerial surveillance, video cameras and other detection methods, which are by the way, what some in Congress propose as a viable alternative to a border fence/wall.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.12  Jasper2529  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.9    5 years ago
Are you arguing that it is ...
... it seems you are arguing that the system ...

Why would you accuse me of arguing? Nothing positive is achieved, and that's why I never engage in it. I've learned that polite, mature discussion is far more palatable and successful. 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.13  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.6    5 years ago
They are not being allowed in. They are at the border in detention camps.

And the moon is made of cream cheese.

Texas police learn COVID-positive illegal immigrants sent to local hotels, after Whataburger encounter

Police later learned that those detained by Border Patrol showing symptoms or who became infected with COVID-19 were being quarantined and then later handed over to the charity group to be placed in hotels in the McAllen area, as well as La Joya, police said. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

South Texas Police Department Issues Public Health Announcement After COVID-Stricken Migrants Seen ‘Coughing, Sneezing’ At Whataburger

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

La Joya police say hotel is housing migrants with COVID-19, released by Border Patrol

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, so much for not being allowed in.

I'm waiting for CBP to relocate some to Washington DC, Delaware, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts (specifically Marthas Vineyard area) and a few other choice locations.   

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.14  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.10    5 years ago
I am wondering if they are arguing that the people caught at the border should have mandated shots...

Hell no.  Just returned to their country of residence and get their vaccines there.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.15  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.14    5 years ago

Any comment on mask wearing?

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.16  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.15    5 years ago
Any comment on mask wearing?

I've been vaccinated.  In fact my entire family has been vaccinated with the exception of the teen members.  I cannot be responsible for other people not getting vaccinated.  They do so at their own assumed risk.  

PS:  The teens in the family have not gotten vaccinated yet on advice of a very trusted pediatrician, my daughter.   She is treating a small number of teens suffering from myocarditis after receiving their second dose.   Once additional information becomes available, possibly a smaller double dose, only a first dose or something along those lines, then she will recommend vaccination.   Further, she notes that while more transmissible, the current strains of COVID (and that's more than we're being advised of by the way) are not nearly as deadly as the initial strain especially for young healhty teens.  Healthy being the operative word.  She does recommend it for obese, high blood pressure and other compromised individuals.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.1.17  TᵢG  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.12    5 years ago
Why would you accuse me of arguing? Nothing positive is achieved, and that's why I never engage in it. I've learned that polite, mature discussion is far more palatable and successful. 

Jasper, the word ' arguing ' as I used it means:  ' making an argument' which means presenting ' a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong '.


You did not answer my question.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.18  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.16    5 years ago

That still does not mention wearing a mask.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.19  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.18    5 years ago
That still does not mention wearing a mask.

Will this satisfy your curiosity? 

I do not and will not wear a mask any longer if others are too fucking stupid to get a vaccine.  They chose not to for their reasons and I'm not responsible for their choices in life.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
2.1.20  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    5 years ago

An easy search will reveal the truth. You'll probably not find any mention of this on the compliant and complicit leftist media

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.21  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.19    5 years ago

Not surprised.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.22  Jasper2529  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.14    5 years ago
Just returned to their country of residence and get their vaccines there.

That number is now approximately 150 or more countries.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.23  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.19    5 years ago

The longer the pandemic lasts the higher the possibility that a variant will develop that will defeat the vaccines. It is in everyone's interest to try and get the pandemic over with. If it takes mask wearing to do that then everyone should do it (barring a physical infirmity that makes wearing a mask a health risk for them)

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
2.1.24  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.9    5 years ago
TiG wrote: "Are you arguing that it is Biden's policy to knowingly allow COVID-19 positive individuals into this nation?"

Yes....unless everyone of them is either blocked or sent back across the border.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
2.1.25  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.23    5 years ago
John Russell wrote: "the longer the pandemic lasts the higher the possibility that a variant will develop that will defeat the vaccines".

That is uninformed speculation unsupported by facts

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.26  Jasper2529  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.20    5 years ago
An easy search will reveal the truth.

As several of us have provided.

You'll probably not find any mention of this on the compliant and complicit leftist media

110% correct.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
2.1.27  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.6    5 years ago

Supporting evidence would be appreciated.

What you appear to be saying is that NO illegals are being let through.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.28  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.23    5 years ago
The longer the pandemic lasts the higher the possibility that a variant will develop that will defeat the vaccines. It is in everyone's interest to try and get the pandemic over with. If it takes mask wearing to do that then everyone should do it (barring a physical infirmity that makes wearing a mask a health risk for them)

Covid will be a fact of life for a very long time.   Will a variant develop that is vaccine resistant?  Possibly, but as scores of variants have already developed and the vaccines available have for the most part proved effective against them, I'll not be concerned.  The only variants the public hears about are those the WHO deems to be a "concern".

Besides, were we not told that mask wearing protects the individual from contracting the virus?  If that's the case, why are vaccinated people to wear masks?  We're already protected.

As to the numbers of people that have not received the vaccine, the authorities need to do a better job of providing viable information for the reasons why and not change their concepts and theories as often as the ocean tides change.  All they are accomplishing is mass confusion and resistance among that group.

For any interested, here's some information from IDPH (Illinois Department of Public Health) that indicates to some degree the current variant count.  Unfortunately, they only indicate primarily those which are considered "of concern".   I also did not see any indication of the LAMBDA variant, so I know this information is limited.

COVID-19 Variants of Concern

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.29  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.21    5 years ago
Not surprised.

The difference between a lemming and a thinking individual.  I'm not a lemming.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.30  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.11    5 years ago
...

CIS’s much-touted tagline is   “low immigration, pro-immigrant,”   but the organization has a decades-long history of circulating racist writers, while Founded in 1985 by John Tanton, the   Center for Immigration Studies   (CIS) has gone on to become the go-to think tank for the anti-immigrant movement with its reports and staffers often cited by media

====================================================

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.31  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.29    5 years ago

No, you will just take the chance of catching it yourself and spreading it to other people.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.32  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.30    5 years ago
CIS’s much-touted tagline is   “low immigration, pro-immigrant,”   but the organization has a decades-long history of circulating racist writers, while Founded in 1985 by John Tanton, the   Center for Immigration Studies   (CIS) has gone on to become the go-to think tank for the anti-immigrant movement with its reports and staffers often cited by media

====================================================

Then please object to the La Joya Sheriff and local media.

And using the SPLC to refute another biased organization is, well absurd is too kind.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.33  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.31    5 years ago
No, you will just take the chance of catching it yourself and spreading it to other people.

But, but, but.....  haven't we all been told the vaccines will protect us from that?

Somebody, somewhere has to make a decision and speak the truth.  It can't be good one day and not good the next....  except in a world that's looking for nothing but a mechanism of controlling the people.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.1.34  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.24    5 years ago

That is idiotic Greg.   No policy works 100%.   By your logic, Trump had a policy to knowingly allow COVID-19 positive individuals into this nation because border security failed to catch 100% of the infected immigrants.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.35  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.34    5 years ago
That is idiotic Greg.   No policy works 100%.   By your logic, Trump had a policy to knowingly allow COVID-19 positive individuals into this nation because border security failed to catch 100% of the infected immigrants.

There has been a ten fold increase in the numbers of illegals entering the US under the Biden administration as opposed to the Trump administration.

Even the CBP has noted they are overwhelmed and have never seen numbers like they are currently experiencing.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.36  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.22    5 years ago
That number is now approximately 150 or more countries.

Except of course Cubans in boats being turned around.  Maybe they should sail west through the Gulf of Mexico and come across the Mexican border instead of just that 90 mile dangerous Atlantic Ocean cruise.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.37  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.33    5 years ago

I have never been told it was a cure all. I have been told all along that what it does is to protect me from having to go to hospital and prevent death.

Controlling the people? Get off the conspiracy websites...

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.38  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.37    5 years ago
I have never been told it was a cure all.

Where did I allude to anything indicating that I said such a thing?

I have been told all along that what it does is to protect me from having to go to hospital and prevent death.

As I have.  What others do or do not do is THEIR decision. 

I nor you are responsible for the decisions or actions/inactions of others.   For example, I don't drink and drive.  Others do that, and I am not responsible for THEIR choices.  Of course it can potentially affect me personally, but I've already done what I can to avoid and adverse reaction to their decision.

Controlling the people? Get off the conspiracy websites...

Yes, controlling people.  And it's not conspiracy websites that form my thoughts.  In point of fact I don't know of any conspiracy websites, would you share some with me?

The government and all of the talking head lackeys currently in power, Biden, Harris, Faucci etal, have made it abundantly clear with their ever changing positions, hell, some as quickly as within the hour that they are floundering with no clear concept or PLAN as to how to move forward with the virus.  It's actually embarrassing to watch them try to explain their actions.   There is not a position that they have or have not held or promoted that has stood the test of time.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.39  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.38    5 years ago

Yet not wearing a mask in a crowded setting does increase your chance of catching it. Being vaccinated, yes you will probably have milder symptoms yet you can still pass it on to other people.

So in that regard, I would say you are not doing all you can to mitigate it.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.40  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.39    5 years ago
Yet not wearing a mask in a crowded setting does increase your chance of catching it.

You're assuming I go to crowded settings which I do not.  I value my privacy and appreciate personal 'space'.   The closest I've come to a crowded setting was by necessity forced on me when my wife and I flew home from GB.  I upgraded us to first class as the USG does not approve that class for federal workers.  When we boarded, I told the flight attendants to get both of us blankets which we used to cover our heads while we slept on the flight maskless.

Being vaccinated, yes you will probably have milder symptoms yet you can still pass it on to other people.

You're again making an assumption I will even get the virus.  Playing that game, assuming I do contract the virus, if others around me are vaccinated, they too will "probably have milder symptoms".

So in that regard, I would say you are not doing all you can to mitigate it.

I've done all I can.  I cannot be responsible for the actions of others for my entire life.   You might decide to take on that responsibility, but that's YOUR decision to assume that role.  Enjoy being controlled by the actions of others for the rest of your life.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.41  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.40    5 years ago

So you are never in a crowded area...

Playing that game what if you do catch it and pass it on to the teenagers in your vicinity that you have said are not vaccinated...

Again, what is this obsession with control?

Comparing safety measures to control is nothing more than right wing talking points.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.1.42  TᵢG  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.35    5 years ago

That might be correct (not going to fact check you for the sake of this comment), but it misses the point.

Is it Biden’s policy to knowingly allow infected illegals into the country?

If so, prove it.

I agree that the border is more lax under Biden … we knew that would happen with a D PotUS.   But that is profoundly different from a policy by the Biden administration to infect the population via illegals.   

Biden wants to be successful in handling COVID.   It hurts him politically when infections rise and it hurts him politically when he encourages restrictions on citizens to combat the virus.   It would be politically stupid for Biden to seek more infections by any means.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.43  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.41    5 years ago
So you are never in a crowded area...

Nope.  I avoid crowds.  IT's that simple.

Playing that game what if you do catch it and pass it on to the teenagers in your vicinity that you have said are not vaccinated...

Catch what?  What variant of this virus are you speaking of?   They like other healthy teenagers will be fine.  None of the teens in my family are obese, none have high blood pressure, none have any of the comorbidities that other teens might suffer.   

Again, what is this obsession with control?

No obsession on my part.  You're the one acquiescing to everything others tell you to do, not me.

Comparing safety measures to control is nothing more than right wing talking points.

And believing people that change their positions more often than the rides of the oceans change is smart?  Are you seriously trying to say that?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.44  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.43    5 years ago
No obsession on my part.  You're the one acquiescing to everything others tell you to do, not me.

Don't throw your obsession with control onto me. I will practice what is safe and courteous to others. It seems some not so much.

And do you actually think that during a pandemic, that we have never experienced before, positions and circumstances would not change? 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.45  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.42    5 years ago
That might be correct (not going to fact check you for the sake of this comment), but it misses the point.

No need to fact check what is fact, but I'll grant you the defense.

Is it Biden’s policy to knowingly allow infected illegals into the country?

I never said that, but he most certainly is not doing anything to stop it, is he?

If so, prove it.

I need not "prove" what is in fact happening.  

I agree that the border is more lax under Biden … we knew that would happen with a D PotUS.   But that is profoundly different from a policy by the Biden administration to infect the population via illegals.   Biden wants to be successful in handling COVID.   It hurts him politically when infections rise and it hurts him politically when he encourages restrictions on citizens to combat the virus.   It would be politically stupid for Biden to seek more infections by any means.

Yes, it's politically bad for Biden, but in reality, it's not Bidens policy.  He's simply the front man for whoever is pulling the strings behind the scenes.  The man is barely capable of remembering what he said in the sentence immediately preceding the one he just uttered, asking him to remember 'policy' is a functional impossibility for the man.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.46  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.43    5 years ago
They like other healthy teenagers will be fine.

You think healthy people have not died from it?

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.47  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.44    5 years ago
No obsession on my part.  You're the one acquiescing to everything others tell you to do, not me.
Don't throw your obsession with control onto me. I will practice what is safe and courteous to others. It seems some not so much.

Please stop.  I have the ability to think and act independently and assume what risks I deem appropriate for myself.  I don't need others to advise me what I need to do to protect my health.  I've been successful at that task for over 70 years.

And do you actually think that during a pandemic, that we have never experienced before, positions and circumstances would not change? 

We never experienced THIS pandemic before, but we have experienced others.  And if you remember, many were scared into believing a previous pandemic was upon us, which of course never materialized.

You're permitted of course in taking whatever actions YOU deem appropriate for you, just please don't project those actions deemed appropriate for you on me.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.48  Jasper2529  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.36    5 years ago
Except of course Cubans in boats being turned around.  Maybe they should sail west through the Gulf of Mexico and come across the Mexican border instead of just that 90 mile dangerous Atlantic Ocean cruise.

It's reprehensible to me that Biden has welcomed over 1 million illegal aliens and dispersed tens of thousands of them throughout our country without medical testing (many contagious diseases), vaccinations, and other vetting (crimes, drug/human trafficking) but completely shuts down our border to REAL refugees trying to escape Communism.

Opening our country to help Cuban refugees could have been Biden's "Berlin Wall" moment - sealing his foreign relations legacy ... or, at the very least, he could easily restore their Internet so they could see that millions here support them with our protests/rallies ...  but since he's a Marxist/Communist, Biden showed his true colors.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.49  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.46    5 years ago
They like other healthy teenagers will be fine.
You think healthy people have not died from it?

Facts matter.  The vast majority of people that have died from covid are the elderly and those with comorbidities.   The healthy have a better than 99.5% chance of survival.

Besides, I'll take the advice of a medical professional I'm related to over any talking head this administration parades in front of a camera.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.50  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.48    5 years ago
Opening our country to help Cuban refugees

Cubans generally vote Republican so, they're not worth helping in todays world.

Hell even JFK bailed on the Cubans.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.51  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.47    5 years ago
I don't need others to advise me what I need to do to protect my health. 

Good, next time don't take any advice from a doctor, after all, you know more...

It is attitudes like yours that keep the pandemic going.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.52  Jasper2529  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.49    5 years ago
Besides, I'll take the advice of a medical professional I'm related to over any talking head this administration parades in front of a camera.

Agree. I've also come to trust what Drs. Markary, Siegel, Giroir, and Saphier advise.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.1.53  TᵢG  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.45    5 years ago
I'll grant you the defense.

Nothing to grant, I took your comment as fact for the sake of the comment.   Just accept it.  I did it because it is not material to the point I made.

I never said that, but he most certainly is not doing anything to stop it, is he?

But that is the point I was making in the conversation in which you chose to opine.    IMO he is not doing enough, but that is far different from actively seeking to infect citizens.

I need not "prove" what is in fact happening.  

Don't engage in intellectual dishonesty.   You know damn well that I asked you to prove the following and only if you hold that it is true:

TiG @2.1.42 - Is it Biden’s policy to knowingly allow infected illegals into the country?   If so, prove it.

Address what I actually wrote.   ⇡

He's simply the front man for whoever is pulling the strings behind the scenes. 

Good grief nothing but conspiracy theory.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.54  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.49    5 years ago
The healthy have a better than 99.5% chance of survival.

The numbers don't add up to your 99.5.

If 35 million have the virus, 1% would be 350,000. We have had what...620,000 deaths.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.55  Jasper2529  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.47    5 years ago
You're permitted of course in taking whatever actions YOU deem appropriate for you, just please don't project those actions deemed appropriate for you on me.

Biden, Pelosi, Whitmer, the Cuomo Brothers, Murphy, Newsom, et al, disagree. We must obey their authoritative dictates!

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.56  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.42    5 years ago
Is it Biden’s policy to knowingly allow infected illegals into the country?

If he really cares, he would come out and tell the American people that he is directing all infected illegals back to their country of origin. By not doing so....he knows, BTW...he is allowing it, therefore, it's his policy to allow it. .

He seems to want to get in front of the camera to talk about things not important to most Americans. He might as well talk about one that does.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.57  bugsy  replied to  Ender @2.1.54    5 years ago
If 35 million have the virus

It's 35 million that have been reported. Who knows how many have gotten it, but had always been asymptomatic?

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.58  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.51    5 years ago
Good, next time don't take any advice from a doctor, after all, you know more... It is attitudes like yours that keep the pandemic going.

Hey genius...   I guess you skipped the part where MY DAUGHTER is a doctor.   SHE knows more than you or I ever will!!

As to my attitude, if it offends you don't respond to my posts.  It's really simple.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
2.1.59  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.48    5 years ago
It's reprehensible to me that Biden has welcomed over 1 million illegal aliens and dispersed tens of thousands of them throughout our country without medical testing (many contagious diseases), vaccinations, and other vetting (crimes, drug/human trafficking)

Please prove that.

And what makes one group of refugees better than another? Are they not all human? Or is it an expectation of how they will vote?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.60  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.58    5 years ago

Getting a little testy there?

Funny how some doctors are wrong and some are right...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
2.1.61  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bugsy @2.1.56    5 years ago
If he really cares, he would come out and tell the American people that he is directing all infected illegals back to their country of origin. By not doing so....he knows, BTW...he is allowing it, therefore, it's his policy to allow it. .

He is actually following the same policy that Trump put into place and is pissing of the progressive part of his party. What announcement needs to be said?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.62  bugsy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.59    5 years ago

Perrie, refugees are people who were forced out of their home through some sort of disaster, natural or man made. The people from the southern triangle do not fit that description. Most, if not all, have told border patrol that they have come here for the economic opportunities, ie, jobs taken from Americans.

Of course, on a side note, there are millions of available jobs for Americans, and those that claim to be getting evicted, but somehow, many of those people just can't seem to find those jobs so they can pay the rent.

Now, back on track...

It has been reported over and over, and there are several links above that explain to you that the Biden administration is letting tens or hundreds of thousands of illegals, many of them positive COVID, into the country and bused all around.

If you think that Biden is not aware of this, then he REALLY does not need to be the "leader" of this country.

To be fair, however, he probably is being pulled along like a puppet and doing and saying what he is being told.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.63  bugsy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.61    5 years ago
He is actually following the same policy that Trump put into place

No he isn't. Trump had the "remain in Mexico" policy, which drastically reduced border crossings. Biden discontinued it

Between that and and Harris not telling people to not come here before the election, it was a huge welcome mat at the border for illegal border crossings. There are reports where illegals have told media that they are here because Biden told them to come.

Because Trump had more of a control of the crossings, the COVID numbers from illegals were minuscule to what they are now. These people are spreading COVID around the country, and liberals are eating it up because this is something else they can falsely blame republicans for.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Silent
2.1.64  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bugsy @2.1.63    5 years ago
falsely blame republicans for.

are the illegals stopping Republicans from getting vaccinated ? have they EVER ? Cause the main CAUSE of our continued pandemic is Republican IGNORANCE brought about by 45 and the GOP JIVE !

Stop Fooling yourselves, if we had all gotten vaccinated asap, we'd be so much further away from any shutdowns, but as the ones who cry about "rights" taken away while they refuse to put forth ANY EFFORT in ANY WAY, to solve this crisis, are the reason this calamity persists

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.65  bugsy  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.64    5 years ago
Cause the main CAUSE of our continued pandemic is Republican IGNORANCE brought about by 45 and the GOP JIV

Show your proof of this.

It is well documented that blacks and Hispanics continue to be the largest percentage of non vaccinated.

"As of July 19, 2021, CDC reported that race/ethnicity was known for 58% of people who had received at least one dose of the vaccine. Among this group, nearly two thirds were White (59%), 9% were Black , 16% were Hispanic, 6% were Asian, 1% were American Indian or Alaska Native, and <1% were Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, while 8% reported multiple or other race"

And for all the yahoos on here that blame Florida republicans for the Florida numbers, here is numbers from another site

A notable exception is Florida. It had the third-highest Covid case rate last week, but more than three-quarters of White people are vaccinated.

Florida is a red state, thankfully.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.1.66  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.1.56    5 years ago
... he is allowing it, therefore, it's his policy to allow it. .

Then by the same token it was Trump's policy to allow it.    See the flaw in your reasoning?   You are drawing a very long distance line to connect two points.   That is typically fallacious reasoning.

I have articulated logically why it is in Biden's best interest to reduce the infection rate and to reduce restrictions on citizens.   A policy of knowingly infecting the public flies against Biden's top priority of being a successful and popular PotUS.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
2.1.67  Gordy327  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.49    5 years ago
The vast majority of people that have died from covid are the elderly and those with comorbidities.   The healthy have a better than 99.5% chance of survival.

One might survive, but they are likely in for a hellish couple weeks recovering from the virus, including (potentially long term) hospitalizations (with possible mechanical ventilation), near fatal experiences, and lingering and/or long term health effects associated with covid. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
2.1.72  sandy-2021492  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.67    5 years ago
long term health effects associated with covid

I've seen several cases of this.  People who are short of breath at rest, months after "recovering" from Covid.  A friend who had it in November is being evaluated for possible heart failure post-Covid.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
2.1.73  Gordy327  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.72    5 years ago

I've heard of people suffering from heart,lung, kidney problems,  and even impotence.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.74  Ender  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.73    5 years ago

I read that some are saying a bunch of people recovering have erectile dysfunction.

Someone joked that they should lead with that, it would scare a lot more people into getting the vac.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
2.1.75  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ender @2.1.74    5 years ago
Someone joked that they should lead with that, it would scare a lot more people into getting the vac.

Well, there's our new PSA campaign.  "Get the vacc, or no fun in the sack."

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.76  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.75    5 years ago

Insist on vacs, be a stiff.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
2.1.77  Gordy327  replied to  Ender @2.1.74    5 years ago

If that doesn't motivate people to get the vaccine,  nothing will.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
2.1.78  Gordy327  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.75    5 years ago

Now that's a catchy slogan.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
2.1.79  Ender  replied to  Ender @2.1.76    5 years ago

Don't take the vac and get sick. It's not hard...

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
2.1.80  Gordy327  replied to  Ender @2.1.79    5 years ago
Don't take the vac and get sick.

Or possibly die.

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
Freshman Silent
2.1.81  Duck Hawk  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.43    5 years ago

"None of the teens in my family are obese, none have high blood pressure, none have any of the comorbidities that other teens might suffer."

My kids are will be fine, so screw yours.  That's a great way to show how much you care about your community. 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.82  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @2.1.60    5 years ago
Funny how some doctors are wrong and some are right...

And Faucci has been wrong more often than people change underwear.  Oh wait, he changes his position with his underwear change.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.83  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Duck Hawk @2.1.81    5 years ago
My kids are will be fine, so screw yours. 

First and foremost, "my" kids are grown adults.  My stepkids and grandkids are all quite healthy,  They have not taken the vaccine on advice of...  a pediatrician, my daughter the doctor and parent of three of my grandchildren.  My wife and I trust HER opinion more than any political bureaucrat.

That's a great way to show how much you care about your community. 

All of the adults in our family have received COVID vaccinations.   The teens have not as there are currently studies investigating heart conditions developed due to the vaccine.  My daughter has patients with that issue.   She strongly believes they will recover but has no idea of the long term effects the issue will have on their hearts as the problem was not a natural occurrence.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
2.1.84  Gordy327  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.82    5 years ago

Exactly how many times has Dr. Faucci been wrong and about what?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
2.1.85  MrFrost  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.40    5 years ago
You're again making an assumption I will even get the virus.

There are 600,000 dead Americans that likely said the exact same thing. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
2.1.86  MrFrost  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.84    5 years ago

Exactly how many times has Dr. Faucci been wrong and about what?

Amazes me that people will rail against Fauci while ignoring that trump suggested ingesting bleach and shoving lightbulbs up your ass... But Fauci bad... 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.87  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.86    5 years ago
suggested ingesting bleach and shoving lightbulbs up your ass..

Of course you have no proof of this, just dumbass rhetoric.

What we DID have is a couple of democrats ingesting fish tank cleaner because they say Trump told them to.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.88  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.84    5 years ago
Exactly how many times has Dr. Faucci been wrong and about what?

I've lost count.  But start at the beginning and start a count.  You'll need more fingers and toes to keep a tally.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.89  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.85    5 years ago
You're again making an assumption I will even get the virus.
There are 600,000 dead Americans that likely said the exact same thing. 

First, I've been vaccinated.   Second, a large number of those dead came before there were sufficient supplies of the vaccine President Trump was successful in getting developed and approved.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
2.1.90  Gordy327  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.88    5 years ago

So you've got nothing then. Got it.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
2.1.91  Gordy327  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.86    5 years ago

Tell me about it. It boggles the mind how people are so willing to listen to a politician over a medical scientist regarding health matters. Talk about a disconnect from reality.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.92  bugsy  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.91    5 years ago

Most people do not take the advice of a tv doctor (yes, that is what Fauci is now). They prefer to take the advice of their own doctor.

Let me ask you this. I don't know where you live, don't care, but if your mayor decides to impose mask mandates, going against CDC recommendations, would you do it because a politician told you to, or would you listen to the CDC, who says its not necessary?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.93  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @2.1.92    5 years ago
Most people do not take the advice of a tv doctor (yes, that is what Fauci is now).

We see a lot of ridiculous things on forums, but this is right up there with any of them. 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.94  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.90    5 years ago
So you've got nothing then. Got it.

And you do?  Please continue to believe the unbelievable.

Do your own research and discover for yourself how many times Faucci has been wrong.   Let's start with his initial proclamation, if I remember correctly that it will take three to five years to develop a vaccine.   Then masks really don't help changed to they do.  From here on forward, you're on your own to discover the number.  Start researching and counting.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
2.1.96  Gordy327  replied to  bugsy @2.1.92    5 years ago

Most people are idiots, especially if they don't take the advice from an expert in infectious disease when dealing with an infectious disease. Give that Dr Fauci is the head of the NIH and an expert in infectious diseases,  its safe to say he's much more than a "TV doctor." 

To answer your question, I listen to the experts on the matter. And experts say wearing masks helps prevent the spread of Covid, which is also just plain common sense. Mask mandates simply means I'm required to wear a mask, which I have no problem with. Masks do not bother me.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.97  bugsy  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.96    5 years ago
Most people are idiots, especially if they don't take the advice from an expert in infectious disease when dealing with an infectious disease

Problem is that expert gave flip flopping advice over the past 18 months. Normal thinking people just got tired of the spinning based on the political wind of the day, and are now tuning him out.

You kind of answered the question, but not really.

If the CDC says that if you are vaccinated, you no longer need to wear a mask, but your mayor says the unvaccinated are making up the vast majority of COVID cases in your community, so there os once again a mask mandate. Would you go against CDC guidance, or listen to a politician?

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
2.1.98  Gordy327  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.94    5 years ago

You're the one who made the allegations,  not me. So you back it up. 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.100  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.98    5 years ago
You're the one who made the allegations,  not me. So you back it up. 

I gave you a couple.  If you want more do your own research.  Here's a link to use if interested. 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
2.1.103  Krishna  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.49    5 years ago
Facts matter.  The vast majority of people that have died from covid are the elderly and those with comorbidities.

That was true with the original virus-- but its now changing:

Florida is now leading the nation in per capita hospitalizations for COVID-19, as hospitals around the state report having to put emergency-room patients in beds in hallways.

Others document a noticeable drop in the age of patients.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
2.1.104  Krishna  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.3    5 years ago
They do not name the ICE official who they say confirmed the statement, just that it was confirmed by an ICE official.

So Snuffy...I see that once again they are playing the "people are saying" card!

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
2.1.105  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Krishna @2.1.103    5 years ago
Facts matter.  The vast majority of people that have died from covid are the elderly and those with comorbidities.
That was true with the original virus-- but its now changing:

And facts still matter.   The virus has hundreds of variants, but only those that the WHO deems 'of concern' are publicized.  

Florida is now leading the nation in per capita hospitalizations for COVID-19, as hospitals around the state report having to put emergency-room patients in beds in hallways.

No one is denying that covid infections are rising.  The DELTA variant apparently has a degree of resistance to the current vaccines.  However, among those vaccinated, the infection manifests primarily as feeling like a mild case of the flu, similar to what Senator Graham is experiencing.  Those not vaccinated, it's appreciably worse, but from what I've been able to discern not as deadly as the initial outbreak.

As to hospitalizations,  I have to take any "reports" with a grain of salt.  There was a newscast in I believe it was Kansas City that proclaimed that a local hospital was overrun with cases and was forced to turn people away.   The only problem with that story, which was validated by the hospital in question was that it was not true.  They acknowledged there was an increase in patient load, but it was nowhere near overwhelming them and there was ample room for any and all anticipated patients. 

Others document a noticeable drop in the age of patients.

Of course.  Younger people have only just begun to receive the vaccine.

However, the US has been trailing England by several weeks during this pandemic.  Why, I have no idea, but while living there, I looked towards home wishing England was doing as well only to watch the US play 'catch-up' a few weeks later.  But my wife and I still wished to be home with the rest of our immediate and extended families 'just in case'.

Anyway, here's something from the Daily Mail which you and others might find not only interesting, but calming.   The DELTA variant spiked in the UK and is now rapidly declining.  Will there be another variant coming around to take DELTAs place?  I have no idea, but I do know that the LAMBDA variant has been identified in a Houston hospital.  The Lambda variant happens to be predominant in Peru.

46193733-9852835-image-a-70_1627918330442.jpg
46193731-9852835-image-a-76_1627918448175.jpg
46196841-9852835-image-a-17_1627924110181.jpg

In a sign that fatalities may start to flatten out or even fall within the next week, Covid hospital admissions fell by nearly 20 per cent in England. Some 593 infected patients were admitted for medical treatment on July 31, the most recent day NHS figures are available for. For comparison, 734 patients were hospitalised the previous Saturday

There more to read here if you're interested.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
2.1.106  Gordy327  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.1.100    5 years ago
I gave you a couple. 

Really? Which posts?

 If you want more do your own research.

You brought up the allegations. It's on you to research and provide the proof. Not me.

  Here's a link to use if interested. 

A link to what? It's just a Google search bar.

No one is denying that covid infections are rising.  The DELTA variant apparently has a degree of resistance to the current vaccines. 

This is correct.

However, among those vaccinated, the infection manifests primarily as feeling like a mild case of the flu, similar to what Senator Graham is experiencing. 

Those who are infected, especially with the variant in which the vaccine is less effective, are still capable of spreading the virus to others, especially the unvaccinated.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
3  Paula Bartholomew    5 years ago

That drunken idiot needs to just stfu.  She isn't qualified to judge a pie eating contest.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3    5 years ago

Maybe she would be better at a hot dog eating contest. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    5 years ago

... a foot long corn dog.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  seeder  JohnRussell    5 years ago
"Now, you want to mask us because you clearly failed in your effort to get us vaccinated because the totalitarian impulse within you is so strong," Pirro said. "Nothing makes sense....This attempt to mask us at a time when hospitalizations and deaths are almost at an all-time low is laughable," Pirro said, after complaining about undocumented immigrants who were released from ICE custody. "Isn't the goal to keep people from dying of covid? This new Delta variant isn't nearly as lethal, although it is contagious. And this is your excuse for mandating people were a mask indoors? You don't even monitor people coming in from the Southern border."

Want to fail an IQ test?  Talk like that. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
4.1  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @4    5 years ago

Sounds like she's totally confused which is nothing new for her.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4    5 years ago

Jeannie Pirro doesnt want to wear a mask because she says the death rate from the variant has been lower than the original virus. I guess she wants everyone to get the virus. Some will die, but as long as it is a total she approves of, she doesnt want to wear a mask. An embarrassment to the human race.  She's still hoping Trump will make her his next girlfriend. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
4.2.1  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    5 years ago

She could go to Florida go maskless and go bar hopping in Bevard county, their positivity rate is only 24%

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Silent
4.2.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Kavika @4.2.1    5 years ago

if she's not wearing a mask, people will be hopping over the bars, to get away from her

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
4.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    5 years ago

Not even Trump would grab her.  One - she is not Ivanka, Two - she is not Ivanka, and Three - she is not Ivanka.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
4.2.4  Krishna  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.2    5 years ago
if she's not wearing a mask, people will be hopping over the bars, to get away from her

She's such a sleazy lying POS that I bet many people would be hopping over bars to get away from her...even if she was wearing a mask and fully vaccinated! 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
5  sandy-2021492    5 years ago
The truth? The Biden administration failed at their effort to get us vaccinated by July 4. Now we have to pay the price."

Everybody 12 and up who wants the vaccine has had the opportunity to receive it by now.  Does Pirro propose that the Biden administration mandate the vaccine for all?  Even for her viewers, who would surely cry "foul"?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
5.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5    5 years ago

The Biden administration did not fail, the anti vaxers did.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
5.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1    5 years ago

Exactly so.  You can lead a horse to water...

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Silent
5.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.1    5 years ago

and Republicans would tell you they need not get vaccinated, cause of the whorse at the top, who are Whorses asses from top to bottom, cause that last whorse pist an Orange Mist on 45, and it stained, as have they, abstained, cause they have SO MUCH DAMN PROOF THAT IS UNOBTAINABULL SHIT !

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1.3  bugsy  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.2    5 years ago

Read 2.1.65

You might learn something...

Or not

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Silent
5.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bugsy @5.1.3    5 years ago

are you refuting the numbers of unvaccinated are way higher for Republicans ?

Do you think if 45  and the GOP had taken this shit SERIOUSLY from the beginning, we wouldn't have FAR less cases and possibly herd immunity substantially lowering the risk of further mutant variants from infecting Us and the world by now?   Are you going to teach me something about what i've just stated ? Cause i'll expect further shit unrelated

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Silent
5.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bugsy @5.1.3    5 years ago

racev3-01.png?itok=zOOAh7F8

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1.6  bugsy  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.4    5 years ago

Trump admin did take it very seriously otherwise there would be no vaccine today. Your boy, and liberal hero,  Fauci flipped flopped on everything, muddying up the waters on what should and should not be done. Biden and Harris both said they did not trust the vaccine before the election, driving the decision for most blacks and Hispanics to not get the vaccine when it was first offered, and even continuing that today.

I've shown you proof from several reliable sites that show that blacks and Hispanics are FAR behind in getting the vaccine. If you don't believe surveys or whatever it is you don't like, take a look around you and you will see that it is predominately blacks wearing masks in public, this before the CDC once again flipped on their recommendations. Why? Because they have not been vaccinated

Now, "unrelate shit" that.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
5.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  bugsy @5.1.6    5 years ago

Yeah, Trump took it so seriously that he downplayed the virus, repeatedly said it was getting better, and said it would be over by summer. >sarc<

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.1.8  MrFrost  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.1    5 years ago
You can lead a horse to water...

Yet the right wing has gone as far as saying that  Biden is opposed to vaccinations and masks. When asked to provide proof that he said either of those things, they suddenly get quiet, move the goalposts or flat out lie. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @5.1.6    5 years ago
Trump admin did take it very seriously

512 512

If by seriously, you mean, "golf and lie", you are correct. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @5.1.6    5 years ago
Fauci flipped flopped on everything, muddying up the waters on what should and should not be done.

Well, that's not true. A virus mutates, evolves/changes. He based his decisions and comments on the data at the time. Tell us again how many times trump has dished out solid medical advice about covid?

Never. Never is the answer. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
5.1.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.4    5 years ago

On the upside, vaccinations have dramatically risen since Gov Ivy read her state the riot act.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1.12  bugsy  replied to  Gordy327 @5.1.7    5 years ago

Maybe because the new left hero, and new tv doctor, Anthony Fauci, came out publicly early on and more than once and said there is nothing to worry about and no reason to wear a mask.

Sometimes critical thinking, and not feelings, are drivers to good debates, Gordy.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
5.1.13  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1.11    5 years ago
On the upside, vaccinations have dramatically risen since Gov Ivy read her state the riot act.

I can understand the hesitance of the black population in not only AL but the rest of the country not getting the COVID vaccine.   They have a great distrust, and rightly so, of the government and specifically the CDC.

There's some interesting statistical information available here if anyone is inclined to peruse it;

As to the hesitancy of blacks and 'medical advice' from the government, they do have long and painful memories of American medical testing.

Tuskegee Experiment: The Infamous Syphilis Study

And this:

tuskegeeVP4.jpg

The U.S Public Health Service (USPHS) Syphilis Study at Tuskegee external icon   was a clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972. The study was intended to observe the natural history of untreated syphilis. As part of the study, researchers did not collect informed consent from participants and they did not offer treatment, even after it was widely available. The   study ended external icon   in 1972 on the recommendation of an Ad Hoc Advisory Panel, convened by the Assistant Secretary for Health and Scientific Affairs, following publication of news articles about the study. In 1997, President Clinton issued a   formal Presidential Apology external icon , in which he announced an investment to establish what would become   The National Center for Bioethics in Research and Health Care at Tuskegee University external icon . Many records can be found in   the National Archives external icon .

After the study,   sweeping changes to standard research practices  were made. Efforts to promote the highest ethical standards in research are ongoing today.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Silent
5.1.15  igknorantzrulz  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @5.1.13    5 years ago

you exampled what i was to reply to Bugsey with. There are reasons Blacks do NOT TRUST US, and they are valid.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Silent
5.1.16  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bugsy @5.1.6    5 years ago
Now, "unrelate shit" that.

Know need, exexpat handled and exampled what i was to reply with ton squash your argument bugsey with. There are reasons Blacks do NOT TRUST US, and they are valid, and again, i unrelated your unrelated SHIT, so wipe up, and go SIT !

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.18  JBB  replied to  dennis smith @5.1.17    5 years ago

Then we are going to need links to prove that.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Participates
5.1.22  Gordy327  replied to  bugsy @5.1.12    5 years ago
Maybe because the new left hero, and new tv doctor, Anthony Fauci, came out publicly early on and more than once and said there is nothing to worry about and no reason to wear a mask.

That is incorrect. Dr. Fauci didn't say there was "nothing to worry about." He said the risk (at the time) was still low, but also acknowledged it could become serious, necessitating the need to adopt behaviors to protect oneself.

Sometimes critical thinking, and not feelings, are drivers to good debates, Gordy.

If you ever bother to read my posts, you would know I rarely resort to feelings. Perhaps you should provide actual facts and skip the misinformation. That would drive a good debate.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
5.1.23  CB  replied to  bugsy @5.1.12    5 years ago

I venture you do not understand how the scientific method works. I could be wrong, but that comment do not read like it. Dr. Fauci is a director of an health Institute and a career expert properly credentialed to speak privately and publicly on infectious diseases. Even selected to advise this and multiple past presidents . You can try to diminish him, but only some fool would think him unqualified to speak on this novel Coronavirus. 

And with that in mind, if some conservatives seek to criticize, diminish, and drum out a qualified director of infectious disease while calling such a foolhardy response,  "critically thinking" well, I'll eat my hat!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
5.1.24  CB  replied to  bugsy @5.1.12    5 years ago

And science (looking through the lens of a microscope) could very well (and easily) say something different by next week or month). Science, critical thinking, nor a coronavirus cares anything about humans "catching" it in what we could call, a lie. That's our moral code. Science, critical thinking, and the coronavirus would tell humanity to be nimble and flexible if it is going to 'win the day' else reap the damn 'plaque'!

What the virus gives about humanity's perception of desirable "liberty" is fictitiously a swat, a burp, and hot farts! Time to get real and stop the delusion!

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
6  Ender    5 years ago

So we have this stupid woman (and people that follow) being against wearing masks just because Biden said something bad about the vac at some point....

Logic is twisted and moronic in some...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  seeder  JohnRussell    5 years ago
"He said the governor of Texas was jeopardizing the health and safety of non-citizens in federal custody," she said. "Notice his concern is for non-citizens. Not American citizens. Yet the federal government wants us, American citizens, to mask up, even if we have been vaccinated, even when we are inside." Pirro continued, "Nancy Pelositells Congress and staff to mask up in the people's House or face arrests and fines. The truth? The Biden administration failed at their effort to get us vaccinated by July 4. Now we have to pay the price."

Jeannine Pirro's argument against masks has nothing to do with illegal immigrants (although to be honest , she does not seem to totally realize that. ) Her argument against masks at this point is that Biden failed to get his promised number vaccinated by the Fourth of July therefore it is unfair or totalitarian to ask or tell people to wear masks post Fourth of July. 

Her argument is very weak. In a pandemic or any large scale health crisis about the spread of a disease facts on the ground change constantly. At one point it may be under control and then it is not, and vice versa. Vaccines and therapies work to one degree of effectiveness, but then maybe a variant develops, and plans have to be recalibrated. Why this should be a subject for debate is a mystery to me. Let the people who are the nation's health officials decide what should be the protocols for dealing with the pandemic. Period. 

When the country goes to war do the citizens say I dont agree with the way General So and So is attacking the enemy or defending our shores so I am not going to report for duty?  No, almost everyone listens to the generals. Or in a hurricane, do people say they disagree with what the governor wants to do to clean up the damage so they are going to do the opposite? No.  

The opposition to vaccines is almost entirely political.  And it is unAmerican. 

To everyone on this thread arguing about the immigrants -   they are not the issue. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
8  Tacos!    5 years ago
The Biden administration failed at their effort to get us vaccinated by July 4. Now we have to pay the price.

This is a fair criticism. The White House should be doing more to get people vaccinated. Much more.

We can point at anti-vaxxers, of course, and they do bear responsibility for their own absurd decisions and conspiracy theories. However, strong leadership should be making moves to overcome resistance.

Biden talked about working together when he was running and there is no issue where cooperation has been more urgently needed than this one of vaccination. So where are the conferences with Democratic and Republican leaders to get them to urge people to get vaccinated in a unified voice?

Where is the urgency from our leaders to get vaccinated? Where is the ubiquitous media blitz that is needed? Why isn’t the Surgeon General the most famous person in America? Every YouTube video I watch should open with something about getting vaccinated. There should be TV ads every hour. It should be on the front page of every newspaper. Every day. Vaccine events should be hosted by political leaders and celebrities. The government should be partnering with churches to get the word out or get people shots. I see none of this.

Biden recently issued vaccine and testing mandates for federal employees, but those mandates should have been made months ago.

And there are probably an endless number of ways the federal government can incentivize businesses, state/local governments, and even individual citizens to get vaccinated. 

So yes, crazy people are a problem in the push to vaccinate America, but our leaders have been sitting on their hands for over 6 months. That’s why we are way below where we need to be in vaccinations and now we have to respond to a new search with masks and restrictions as if we had no vaccines at all. It’s embarrassing.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Silent
8.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @8    5 years ago

thoughts on post5.15

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
8.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  igknorantzrulz @8.1    5 years ago

I mean I’ve said it a million times that I don’t understand why Republicans are the biggest resistors of vaccines when Trump went around bragging that he was responsible for it being ready so soon and Democrats had been like “don’t trust Trump’s FDA.” It’s all been so partisan and there is no reason for it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.1    5 years ago

True. The people at the FDA and CDC aren't politicians, they are concerned with public health. 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
8.1.3  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  MrFrost @8.1.2    5 years ago
The people at the FDA and CDC aren't politicians, they are concerned with public health. 

No they are not politicians, they're propogandists making proclamations and telling people whatever the ruling politicians want them to.  But you seldom hear or see a talking head from the FDA as opposed to the CDC on a near daily basis.

How many times has the head of the CDC reversed course and given diametrically opposed recommendations to supersede the recommendation of the previous day or week?   I'm surprised her head is on the way she spins in the wind.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.1.3    5 years ago
they're propogandists making proclamations and telling people whatever the ruling politicians want them to.

Absolutely 100% false. It's what you WANT to be true, but it is not the truth. If I were you, I would avoid far reich wing "news". Why? Because you end up saying things like....

"No they are not politicians, they're propogandists making proclamations and telling people whatever the ruling politicians want them to. "

But hey, i'll bite. Present your PROOF. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.1.6  MrFrost  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.1.3    5 years ago
How many times has the head of the CDC reversed course and given diametrically opposed recommendations to supersede the recommendation of the previous day or week?

Every time they get new data regarding the virus? It's already mutated several times. It's not a static set of data, it changes daily. Why do you think there is no cure for the flu or AIDS? Because the virus mutates very quickly. 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
8.1.7  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  MrFrost @8.1.5    5 years ago
they're propogandists making proclamations and telling people whatever the ruling politicians want them to.
Absolutely 100% false. It's what you WANT to be true, but it is not the truth. If I were you, I would avoid far reich wing "news". Why? Because you end up saying things like....

" No they are not politicians, they're propogandists making proclamations and telling people whatever the ruling politicians want them to. "

But hey, i'll bite. Present your PROOF. 

Faucci - masks don't work

Faucci - masks are recommended.

Faucci - vaccines won't be available for 3 to 5 years.

Faucci - I doubt if a vaccine will be ready before late fall next year (meaning 2021)

Walensky - 

"For the amount of virus circulating in this country right now largely among unvaccinated people, the largest concern that we in public health and science are worried about is that the virus…[becomes] a very transmissible virus that has the potential to evade our vaccines in terms of how it protects us from severe disease and death," Walensky told reporters on Tuesday.

Now that's a brilliant way to ensure people of the veracity of the vaccine efficacy isn't it?   There are questions already and this moron just threw gas on a raging bonfire.  Brilliant /S/

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
8.1.8  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  MrFrost @8.1.6    5 years ago
Why do you think there is no cure for the flu or AIDS?

Maybe you should convince yourself first before you try to convince others.   

You did say this did you not?     "You know why we don't see polio and smallpox running wild anymore? Because vaccinations work."

Oh and the virus has mutated more than a "couple of times".  There are hundreds of variants but we only hear about those the WHO deems to be "of concern."

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.1.7    5 years ago
Faucci - masks don't work

Faucci - masks are recommended.

Faucci - vaccines won't be available for 3 to 5 years.

Faucci - I doubt if a vaccine will be ready before late fall next year (meaning 2021)

Trump - inject bleach

Trump - Stick lightbulbs up your ass

Trump - It's just the flu

Trump - It will be gone by April

Trump - Fauci won't back up my lies so I will convince my base that he is a liar....and they will still believe everything I say! 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
8.1.10  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @8.1.9    5 years ago

If you are trying to say that you post a lot of [deleted...you've succeeded.]

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.1.11  MrFrost  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.1.8    5 years ago
Maybe you should convince yourself first before you try to convince others.   

I worked in healthcare for years, I know exactly what I am talking about. I have been presenting you with facts and you attack me... Have a nice day, I am done with you. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
8.1.12  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @8.1.11    5 years ago
Trump - inject bleach

Trump - Stick lightbulbs up your ass

Trump - It's just the flu

Trump - It will be gone by April

Trump - Fauci won't back up my lies so I will convince my base that he is a liar....and they will still believe everything I say! 

If these are your "facts", then the healthcare field failed you.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  MrFrost @8.1.9    5 years ago

5 second IQ test

Ask someone who they believe more , Fauci or Trump

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
8.1.14  CB  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.1.7    5 years ago

If DOCTOR Fauci is guilty of anything - it is this: He does not lead-in to statements with a disclaimer (or premise):

Science does not speak with certainty about evolving principles and predictions (conditionals). It can speak only to what is learned when testing is 'run'—as often as it is done.

What's more,  the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) is not doing enough to separate himself from the 'moniker' hovering around him of politician. (Maybe appear in a research smock or in his medical offices once in a while to change how he is viewed.)

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
8.1.15  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  CB @8.1.14    5 years ago
If DOCTOR Fauci is guilty of anything - it is this: He does not lead-in to statements with a disclaimer (or premise):

I propose a minor correction to your supposition:

If DOCTOR Fauci is guilty of anything - it is this: He does not acknowledge his role in creating this monstrosity of a virus by slight of hand funding and continues to obfuscate his culpability in this debacle.
 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
8.1.16  CB  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.1.15    5 years ago

I reject your idea of a correction on grounds it is you as a belief and propaganda adherent attempting to make something happen.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
8.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tacos! @8    5 years ago

. The White House should be doing more to get people vaccinated. Much more

Short of showing up at people's doors and forcing them, which would go over like a fart in church, what would you suggest.  States have offered merch, money, freebes, made the shots free, set up numerous vaccination sites, etc.  I think a lot of hesitancy is due to the FDA not giving its approval.  That is why two friends of mine have not done it.  They are even willing to sacrifice their careers in the movie industry as it now mandatory for all workers and cast member to be vaccinated to be able to work.  We also have certain red state governors telling their people, screw masks and precautions and to just carry on as well as allowing super spreader event to once again occur. One in particular in a typical Trump grift is putting out merch against masks and such.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
8.3.1  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8.3    5 years ago
We also have certain red state governors telling their people, screw masks and precautions and to just carry on as well as allowing super spreader event to once again occur.

I never knew Lollapalooza Chicago was in a Red State with a Red State Governor.  When did they change from deep, deep blue?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
8.3.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.3.1    5 years ago

Did I name Chicago or L?  No I didn't.  [deleted]

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.3.3  MrFrost  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.3.1    5 years ago
I never knew Lollapalooza Chicago was in a Red State with a Red State Governor. 

Unlike Florida, Illinois is actually pushing masks and vaccinations....

Florida's covid infection rate is so high, they have stopped providing daily covid statistics. Take a good look at this list. It's a listing of which states have the highest covid infection rates, (highest to lowest). Notice anything? The top 18 states are RED states. That's not a coincidence.

99.99% of the people catching covid now are not vaccinated. If you had a tumor and 99 doctors told you that a simple surgery would cure you, and 1 told you to leave it alone. Would you really go with that ONE doctor? My guess is no. 

You know why we don't see polio and smallpox running wild anymore? Because vaccinations work. It's not rocket science and it's not a political issue. 

Do you know why surgeons wear masks? Because they prevent the transmission of germs and viruses. 

If you personally don't want to get vaccinated? Fine, don't, but trying to politicize this virus is literally killing people. It needs to stop. 

Savvy? 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
8.3.4  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  MrFrost @8.3.3    5 years ago
I never knew Lollapalooza Chicago was in a Red State with a Red State Governor. 
Unlike Florida, Illinois is actually pushing masks and vaccinations....

Which if you pay attention to the talking heads are telling people that vaccines might be ineffective against the DELTA variant (based on a study done in India which is using vaccines not approved for US use.) but it was her highness Lightfoot who attended unmasked.  Can you spell hypocricy?

Florida's covid infection rate is so high, they have stopped providing daily covid statistics. Take a good look at this list. It's a listing of which states have the highest covid infection rates, (highest to lowest). Notice anything? The top 18 states are RED states. That's not a coincidence.

Yes I noticed that the highest rates of new cases are in Texas, Arizona and California.  Can you name at least two of the three states that are being overrun with illegal aliens?  I'll make it even easier.  Can you name the three of those listed with the highest rates?  Here's a hint, I already gave you the answer.

99.99% of the people catching covid now are not vaccinated. If you had a tumor and 99 doctors told you that a simple surgery would cure you, and 1 told you to leave it alone. Would you really go with that ONE doctor? My guess is no. 

As expected.  But if you're actually curious, you too might discover that the black population of all states are among those with the highest number of unvaccinated.  Now, to make sure you understand, I'm NOT condemning them.  I can appreciate their hesitancy in believing anything medical from the government and specifically the CDC.  Check out my post here and you might understand their feelings.    5.1.13     exexpatnowinva     replied to    Paula Bartholomew   @ 5.1.11       47 minutes ago

You know why we don't see polio and smallpox running wild anymore? Because vaccinations work. It's not rocket science and it's not a political issue. 

Not all vaccinations work as advertised.  Besides, those two specifically are fully approved and not operating under an "EMREGENCY AUTHORIZATION".   

Do you know why surgeons wear masks? Because they prevent the transmission of germs and viruses. 

Really?  I thought so they didn't smell the stench of blood.

If you personally don't want to get vaccinated? Fine, don't, but trying to politicize this virus is literally killing people. It needs to stop. 

A clue to the clueless.....   I'VE BEEN VACCINATED.  ALL THE ADULTS IN MY FAMILY HAVE BEEN VACCINATED.

Savvy?

Ditto.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
8.3.5  bugsy  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.3.4    5 years ago

What they don't understand is that may southern states are huge destinations for tourists from mainly northern states during the summer months, especially Florida, and especially right before school starts back up again.

Would not surprise me if many of those testing positive ion Florida are from northern states and bringing it down here.

The woman I caught it from a couple of weeks ago in my facility was here on vacation from Illinois and ended up in my rehab facility because of injuries in a fall. I've been vaccinated since mid February.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
8.3.6  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  bugsy @8.3.5    5 years ago
What they don't understand is that may southern states are huge destinations for tourists from mainly northern states during the summer months, especially Florida, and especially right before school starts back up again.

Would not surprise me if many of those testing positive ion Florida are from northern states and bringing it down here.

The woman I caught it from a couple of weeks ago in my facility was here on vacation from Illinois and ended up in my rehab facility because of injuries in a fall. I've been vaccinated since mid February.

They also fail to accept the fact that a very large number of illegals are coming across the border infected, and in turn infect other people, citizens and other illegals alike.

I know CBP is in trouble as some of their facilities are operating at 600% capacity and they're now releasing people to ICE for holding and testing.  Of course the left still claims that the southern border is not open.   Tell that to the people living in LaJoya, Mission and other border towns and cities.   

Even Catholic Charities is telling CBP that they can't take anymore in as they're out of resources and space.   Maybe if they sent a few thousand to Vatican City some of their immediate problems would be eliminated.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
8.3.7  Tacos!  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8.3    5 years ago
Short of showing up at people's doors and forcing them, which would go over like a fart in church, what would you suggest.

Did you read the comment you are replying to? I suggested several things.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.3.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @8.3.5    5 years ago

Arkansas's rates are rising 10 fold over what they were last month. People don't come here for indoor vacations. Hell, people pretty much stay away from Arkansas in the summer. They would rather go to Florida. So...are you telling me it's the Yankees from up north coming here to vacation bringing the covid with them? Or maybe it's just the residents themselves that don;t want to get vaccinated because they're ignorant fools?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
8.3.9  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.3.8    5 years ago

You mean people aren't clamoring to visit Little Rock? jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

Here cases are going way up too, so are hospitalizations.

Yet people walking around like, what me worry....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.3.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @8.3.9    5 years ago

There's really nothing to do in Little Rock. Lots of things to do if you're outdoorsy

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
8.3.11  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ender @8.3.9    5 years ago
Here cases are going way up too, so are hospitalizations.

So is the influx of illegal aliens.   Hmmmmmm....   I wonder if those untested might in fact be bringing COVID with them and spreading it among the American citizen and legal alien population?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
8.3.12  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.3.8    5 years ago
Or maybe it's just the residents themselves that don;t want to get vaccinated because they're ignorant fools?

Probably boith

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
8.3.13  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.3.10    5 years ago
There's really nothing to do in Little Rock.

Hell, they're just clamoring to go to Hope aren't they?  /s/

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
8.3.14  Ender  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.3.11    5 years ago

A one trick pony aye...

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.3.15  MrFrost  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.3.11    5 years ago
I wonder if those untested might in fact be bringing COVID with them and spreading it among the American citizen and legal alien population?

I don't suppose the millions of unvaccinated in THIS country have anything to do with spreading covid? 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
8.3.16  Ender  replied to  MrFrost @8.3.15    5 years ago

That couldn't be it, no way. It has to be illegal aliens shooting lasers out of their eyes under the control of the Chinese government.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
Freshman Silent
8.3.18  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  MrFrost @8.3.15    5 years ago
I don't suppose the millions of unvaccinated in THIS country have anything to do with spreading covid? 

Exactly where did I say otherwise?  Don't read something that isn't there.

But are you trying to claim that the illegal aliens infected with COVID already in this country somehow are incapable of spreading the virus among themselves while being held or to citizens when released in cities?   If so, please explain how that happens as I'm fairly certain the medical professionals would pay you handsomely for that earth shattering news.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.3.19  MrFrost  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.3.18    5 years ago

Our rate  of covid infections, especially in the South is MUCH higher than it is in Mexico. They are literally safer staying in Mexico. 

US 7 day average - 77,275

Mexico 7 day average - 15,181

Also, Abbott dropped the mask mandate in Texas on the same day he said that illegals were coming across the border spreading covid. 

If that were true, why drop the mask mandate? That's like trying to put out a house fire with gasoline. Either he's an idiot or a liar. Probably both. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.3.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.3.18    5 years ago
So is the influx of illegal aliens.   Hmmmmmm....   I wonder if those untested might in fact be bringing COVID with them and spreading it among the American citizen and legal alien population?
Exactly where did I say otherwise? 

Does that answer your question?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
9  CB    5 years ago
Fox News' Jeanine Pirro blasted attempts on Saturday to reinstate indoor mask mandates amid the rise of the Delta variant, blaming it on the Biden administration failing to meet its July 4 goal of vaccinating 70% of the U.S. adult population.

Jeanine Ferris Pirro is an American conservative television host and author, and a former New York State judge, prosecutor, and politician. Where in her career does it say she is a qualified and respected scientist, medical doctor, or research figure?

That she is using her judging and prosecutor skills to level biased (one-sided) assertions against Joe Biden is demonstrative of what kind of past figure she like carried forward on the state 'bench.' There are two types of lawyers in this world: The good ones and the bad ones.  There are two types of judges in this world: The good ones and the bad ones.

Jeanine Pirro now that she is a conservative television host, she is not a good judge!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
10  CB    5 years ago
Pirro argued that the administration is too concerned about the health of non-citizens, referencing Attorney General Merrick Garland's threats to Gov. Greg Abbott (R-TX) on an order restricting illegal immigration amid the pandemic.

Is this how Jeanine P., reasoned from the bench? This is one-sided sophistry (sounds good (too "itching hears" but incomplete argumentation). Pirro knows better than that, what is even more insufferable is her choice to speak evil and and out of context a fellow JUDGE: Attorney General Garland.

Pirro knows her betters and she knows better!

The question is this: Can a legal professional be brought before the law board to answer for unethical opinions damaging to the reputations of peer judges and other officials executing their duties?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
10.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  CB @10    5 years ago

Yes.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
11  CB    5 years ago
Pirro continued, "Nancy Pelosi tells Congress and staff to mask up in the people's House or face arrests and fines. The truth? The Biden administration failed at their effort to get us vaccinated by July 4. Now we have to pay the price."

No the truth is Pirro and "Fox New friends" took it upon themselves to launch a large-scale campaign of disinformation and droning invectives against their station viewers in order to create a delusional reality where she gets paid to put asses in front of television sets captivated to watch ads. Thus making Jeanine, a former Judge, like the "jocks" on Fox News nothing more than a hired "ratings whore"!

Suppressing truth from those who desperately need truth is a morally wrong. Former Judge Pirro you have become a formidable evil. 

The price you pay is you literally desire the receipt of a salary (and book sales) for being an inauthentic person on television just to make merchandise out of viewers who want a ratings 'whore' in their prime-time lineup!  Yes, I'm saying Jeanine, whether than prescribing what is good for the viewers welfare and mental health - you promote the common unease and fear and loathing which leads to greater despair, stress, and tearing down of this place.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
12  CB    5 years ago
"Now, you want to mask us because you clearly failed in your effort to get us vaccinated because the totalitarian impulse within you is so strong," Pirro said. "Nothing makes sense."

Well that first bold assertion is a lie and more to the point, Pirro knows its a lie as she utters it. And the second? Well Jeanine in does not make sense that Rupert Murdoch would let you and "friends" lie to his corporate viewers who are now getting sickly, 'pruning, or dying out because neither Rupert or you and those other "friends" can not be trusted to tell them the truth and see them as people more so than as merchandise with heads and legs attached to themselves.  Ronald Reagan would be appalled to read conservatives criticizing conservatives, he would roll over disturbingly in his grave to see conservatives causing the deaths of conservatives.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
12.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  CB @12    5 years ago

I am beginning to think Pirro and the other asshats like her have a stupidity gene that gives them some immunity from the virus.  How else can you explain so many good and decent people dying and dead while they are still walking the earth.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
12.1.1  CB  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12.1    5 years ago

Ex-Fox reporter reveals why Tucker Carlson is lying about vaccines

Former Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron discusses Tucker Carlson spreading disinformation about the Covid-19 vaccines. Eye-opening!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
13  Buzz of the Orient    5 years ago

Obviously 610,000 dead Americans isn't enough to satisfy the Fox News nutjobs who are guiding the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers.  They want a nice round number like 1,000,000 - makes better bullshit news, and they can blame it on Biden (or as one member of NT calls him, Bidet).

 
 

Who is online



CB


359 visitors