House Prepares to Vote for Speaker as Kevin McCarthy Tries to Rally Support

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  4 weeks ago  •  176 comments

By:   Natalie Andrews (WSJ)

House Prepares to Vote for Speaker as Kevin McCarthy Tries to Rally Support
Lawmakers say the outcome of the vote remains uncertain as the GOP takes control of the chamber

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WASHINGTON—House lawmakers prepared to select their new speaker Tuesday, as Republican leader Kevin McCarthy's bid remained up in the air due to opposition from some conservative lawmakers, setting the stage for a dramatic vote.

The speaker election is set for midday, and comes after Mr. McCarthy spent the weekend trying to get the votes necessary from House Republicans to win the gavel. House Republicans are expected to meet in the morning ahead of the vote, which will give Mr. McCarthy and his allies one final time to make a pitch that he should be elected speaker.

Mr. McCarthy has  acquiesced on requested rules changes  that give rank-and-file members more power, including making it easier to oust a speaker, but a significant number of GOP lawmakers said they remained opposed to the Californian’s bid. 

Because Republicans  have such a narrow majority  over Democrats—222 to 212, with one vacancy—Mr. McCarthy needs almost unanimous support from his party. Lawmakers and aides said the outcome is uncertain. If all Democrats back their own leaders as expected, Mr. McCarthy can lose only four votes in the roll-call vote, in which the winner must get 218 votes or the majority of all those present and voting. 

A failure of Mr. McCarthy’s bid would be unprecedented in modern history and underscore the shaky state of the Republican majority and the raucous nature of its conservative wing, which has caused trouble for party leaders in the past decade. In 2015, then-Speaker John Boehner  resigned in the face of conservative pressure . No speaker vote has failed on the first ballot since 1923.

The vote is the first action in a new session that is expected to kick off  two years of intense political battles  over issues including immigration policy,  Ukraine aid  and energy production, with the Senate still controlled by Democrats. Lawmakers are also bracing for  a fight over the debt ceiling  later this year, with many Republicans intent on using the limit to force Democrats to agree to spending cuts. 

About two dozen Republican members haven’t said how they would vote, and five are firmly against Mr. McCarthy, citing doubts about his conservative bona fides, as well as personal disputes. Other Republicans have grown frustrated with the holdouts, saying they are undermining the party and its agenda, which includes quickly moving to pass a bill  reversing funding increases  for the Internal Revenue Service. 

The House will convene on Tuesday at noon. After a prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance, there will be a quorum call to check attendance. From there, the speaker vote will start, with nomination speeches. Mr. McCarthy will be nominated by Republicans and Democrats will nominate their choice for minority leader, New York Rep. Hakeem Jeffries. The winner will succeed  Nancy Pelosi  (D., Calif.), who  led Democrats for two decades  and was the first woman to lead the chamber.

The speaker vote is an alphabetical roll-call vote, with members saying the name of the person they want for speaker. 

If a candidate doesn’t win a majority of House members then another roll-call vote is taken. Both Mr. McCarthy’s supporters and opponents have indicated they think the vote could go to a second ballot, which hasn’t happened since 1923. That year, it took nine ballots to select a speaker. 

Should Republicans remain gridlocked after several ballots, many lawmakers and aides expect the conference to call an emergency meeting to debate in private. If it is clear that Mr. McCarthy can’t sway his detractors, an alternative candidate could emerge. That could be Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, the current minority whip, who is set to be majority leader in the new Congress. He has said he is firmly behind Mr. McCarthy. It could also be a well-liked member who isn’t now in leadership. 
The House speaker dictates which bills make it to the floor, and is responsible for shepherding must-pass legislation, such as spending bills, that typically need bipartisan support, and negotiating with Senate leaders and the White House. Democrats continue to control the Senate.

Mr. McCarthy has served in Republican leadership since 2009, shortly after he arrived in Congress in 2007. Mr. McCarthy first made a run for the speakership in 2015, which failed after he made what was widely seen as a gaffe in a television interview about House Republicans’ Benghazi investigation, when  he said the probe was an effort  to tank Democrat Hillary Clinton‘s poll numbers.  Paul Ryan took the job instead , and Mr. McCarthy became his No. 2. Mr. McCarthy has led the party as minority chief since 2019. 

While some Republicans supporting Mr. McCarthy cite his longtime experience in leadership as an advantage, his detractors have long-held conflicts with him, making it difficult for them to back him. They also say he has been too eager to work with Democrats, an impression he tried to erase in recent months with his opposition to the bipartisan  omnibus spending bill  that passed in December.

Rep. Bob Good (R., Va.), a McCarthy detractor, told Fox News that he thinks up to 15 Republicans would vote for a candidate other than Mr. McCarthy on the first ballot. Those lawmakers will likely vote for Rep. Andy Biggs (R., Ariz.) the first time, but on the second ballot, he said they have an undisclosed consensus candidate. 





Mr. McCarthy defeated Mr. Biggs in November  to be the party’s speaker candidate, in a 188-31 vote.





Many Republicans have promised to back only Mr. McCarthy, with some donning “O.K.” buttons on their lapels in December, standing for “Only Kevin.” They say they would support Mr. McCarthy on any ballot, no matter how many it takes. 

Mr. McCarthy has had to make efforts to win over far-right conservatives who want changes to House rules that would give them new powers to challenge the leadership. Mr. McCarthy has offered to change the rules to allow five House lawmakers to bring a “motion to vacate the chair,” a procedure that could lead to a speaker losing his job if he upset a handful of members. Under current rules, only party leaders can bring such a motion.  

Mr. McCarthy said in a letter to Republicans on Sunday that he is striving for ideological balance on committees, meaning that hard-line conservatives may get the positions they have asked for on top committees, such as Appropriations. Mr. McCarthy has delayed setting up committees where battles are expected for coveted leadership roles, to avoid upsetting lawmakers before the speaker’s race.

In a statement dated Sunday, nine House Republicans wrote that Mr. McCarthy hadn’t yet satisfied their demand for changes to how the House operates. The statement said that “the times call for radical departure from the status quo” in House GOP leadership.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

Nothing gets done in the House until a new Speaker is elected. Not even the swearing in of the newly elected members.

If this goes on for too long the GOP faithful will begin to lose faith.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

Should be a 'fun' day or many for Cheryl L. Johnson.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1    4 weeks ago
Cheryl L. Johnson

Believe it or not it might be an even better day for Rep. Steve Scalise.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

Or Elise 'Machiavelli' Stefanik ... yikes!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

You wish.

Save it for the immature morons that Marc Elias registered to vote.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.4  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    4 weeks ago
Marc Elias

That didn't take long ... chuckle ...

Vic, the GoP is responsible for its own failures and tossing squirrels will not hide them.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.4    4 weeks ago

As far as not stopping him in the summer of 2020: they are responsible.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.6  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    4 weeks ago

Brighten up, it's a veritable popcorn day.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.6    4 weeks ago

Everyday is a good day for trolls.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.8  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.7    4 weeks ago

Everyday is a bad one for gnomes. Ah the balance of nature ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @1.1.4    4 weeks ago

Ya!  So true, yet funny how 'here' it's anyone's and everyone's fault for their incompetence, impotence and failures when they are their own!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.8    4 weeks ago
gnomes.

You have 2 safe spaces to spew hate. Be gone.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.11  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.10    4 weeks ago

Only 2? Damn, that's 3 less than you have.

Back to Kevin, did someone 'Jew-ish' die and all the mirror mirror on the walls get draped over?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.10    4 weeks ago

What hate does Hallux spew? None.

Certain other posters on the other hand, do nothing but spew hate

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.13  Hallux  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.12    4 weeks ago
What hate does Hallux spew?

Only the stuff they want me to swill.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago
'If this goes on for too long the GOP faithful will begin to lose faith"

I already have. If the Republican "leader's" don't soon get their shit together and act as united and committed party, they will continue to lose elections at all levels, and that extends to the states as well.

 At the voter level, the idiot Trump election deniers are going to have to wake up by '24 or they are doomed to obscurity for the next 20 years.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    4 weeks ago
At the voter level, the idiot Trump election deniers are going to have to wake up by '24 or they are doomed to obscurity for the next 20 years.

So very true.  All one has to do is look at recent history to see this.  The '22 election was set to be a huge red wave, yet it failed because so many of the Trump election deniers ended up winning the primary and failed miserably in the general.  Will party leadership see it and take action for '24 or will they continue to allow Trump and his "army" to fuck up the works.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    4 weeks ago
At the voter level, the idiot Trump election deniers are going to have to wake up by '24 or they are doomed to obscurity for the next 20 years.

If the voters can put that above, inflation, crime and open borders, we are already doomed!

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  Snuffy @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

You are leaving out Democrats that backed those election denier candidates in the primaries (like in Michigan) that they decried so much, with millions in free campaign advertisements. 

Also, Establishment Republicans like McConnell that pulled funding from those Trump candidates that won their primaries. Nothing like willingly throwing away seats to the opposition so he could stay in power.

It is time for Establishment Republicans to bury the hatchet with Trump Republicans as well. This isn't one side capitulates and everything goes back to the Establishment status quo. We already have seen what that results in, with McConnell's complete sell out on the Omnibus bill. AKA total Democrat pork. Of course he claimed victory since he got Democrats to increase military spending; and sent 45 billion more to Ukraine. Like Democrats were going to deny either one of those things. The US military needs to be restocked otherwise all of those arms and munitions shipments to Ukraine will end; and Democrats love Ukraine (they are getting their inner Fascist on)- no way they are ever going to deny funding. The only winners in the Omnibus bill are the Democrats, the Establishment, and Establishment Republicans who are lining their pockets in campaign contributions and entrenching themselves for future cushy company board memberships and think tank jobs.

Republicans need to remember what they stand for. Individual rights (not the Democrat special rights based on race, perceived or altered sexuality/sexual identity, and income); small government; lower taxation; free markets (equal opportunity); a strong military; equality under the law; and border security. Establishment Republicans can cram the talk about working across the isle; until they can prove it is an even exchange. 

 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.2.4  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    4 weeks ago

Voters already did at midterms.

Politics is more about perception than reality now. Republicans to act like Democrats. Impeach Biden two or three times (Except it will be for real crimes; not Hillary Clinton and Democrat manufactured ones); impeach Fauci and Mayorkas; release Brandon's and all of the Jan 6th committee's tax returns (including Pelosi's); and conduct investigations into every Democrat fuck up since they took office. Make sure every last voter knows that the Democrats are not just in the swamp; they are controlling it and expanding it.

Republicans also need to copy Democrats tactics on registering voters; getting their own voters to vote early; ballot harvest (where legal); and change voting laws to benefit themselves- while fighting Democrat voting laws in the courts tooth and nail that disenfranchise Republican voters.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @1.2.3    4 weeks ago
You are leaving out Democrats that backed those election denier candidates in the primaries (like in Michigan) that they decried so much, with millions in free campaign advertisements. 

You are saying that Republican voters are so stupid they took the advice of Democratic commercials. 

All those weirdo candidates got on the Republican ballot because they were promoted by Donald Trump. No Democrat ad could make someone vote for a far right nutcase that didnt want to already. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.2.6  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.5    4 weeks ago
You are saying that Republican voters are so stupid they took the advice of Democratic commercials. 

You are saying Democrats are such big POS that they funded Trump backed Republican candidates they accused of being traitors; just so they could win an election? Must be great to support a party of power hungry hypocrites that would willingly put the country in danger if they lost. Of course Democrats don't really believe the BS they spew. They have more than enough election deniers in their own party that are never held accountable.

All those weirdo candidates got on the Republican ballot because they were promoted by Donald Trump. No Democrat ad could make someone vote for a far right nutcase that didnt want to already. 

Several states have open primary voting, which you don't know it seems. That means that you can vote for whatever party you want in the primary. In Michigan they ask you if you want a Republican, Democrat, or Independent ballot for primary voting. That is it. They don't ask what party you are register to or anything else. Democrats were running unopposed for the 4 top positions in the state. Many Democrats took that opportunity to cross over and vote in Republican primaries. They voted for Trump Republicans to make sure Democrat candidates could win in the general elections.

Republicans need to learn how to game the system like Democrats do. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.2.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    4 weeks ago

As an independent, I read all this commentary and it seems that the GOP still doesn't get it. You can not win without independents and independents don't want extremists. McConnell did the right thing when he pulled funding from those Trump candidates. There is no way that independents would ever vote for those people. The red wave that should have happened didn't because we still have people who are way too devoted to one man, and that is very disturbing. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.2.8  Ronin2  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.7    4 weeks ago
As an independent, I read all this commentary and it seems that the GOP still doesn't get it. You can not win without independents and independents don't want extremists.

You don't think Democrat extremists weren't elected during midterms? You don't think Democrat extremists weren't running against Trump candidates?

McConnell did the right thing when he pulled funding from those Trump candidates.

McConnell did the right thing for McConnell to stay in power. He cares more about that than subjecting his constituents to Democrats running this country into a ditch.

There is no way that independents would ever vote for those people. The red wave that should have happened didn't because we still have people who are way too devoted to one man, and that is very disturbing. 

Especially when they are outspent on advertising 10 to 1 in many instances. When the only thing being heard is the Democrat narrative of Trump and Jan 6th! Seems that reality went away; and was replaced by a fictitious narrative that electing Trump candidates would ruin our country. Forget high gas prices, inflation, crime, open borders, record setting illegal immigration, more people dying under Biden's watch than Trump's due to Covid, our new spectacular two tier justice system, recession, the botched Afghanistan withdrawal, or the new never ending money pit proxy war in Ukraine. 

We will see if voters really care about issues in 2024; or how a candidate/party is perceived. Republicans control the House. They can drag the Brandon administration through the ringers for the next two years. I am willing to bet that voters will care more about perception- especially when it so close to reality.   

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ronin2 @1.2.8    4 weeks ago
You don't think Democrat extremists weren't elected during midterms? You don't think Democrat extremists weren't running against Trump candidates?

Of course, there were. The difference is that they don't answer to one guy.

McConnell did the right thing for McConnell to stay in power. He cares more about that than subjecting his constituents to Democrats running this country into a ditch.

How does that help him stay in power? The way he keeps his job is by engaging independents and he knows he won't with extremists.

Especially when they are outspent on advertising 10 to 1 in many instances. When the only thing being heard is the Democrat narrative of Trump and Jan 6th! Seems that reality went away; and was replaced by a fictitious narrative that electing Trump candidates would ruin our country.

I'm sorry that you don't see Jan 6 as a problem. I do. The reason it went away is because now the house is in the republican hands, and they are not going to chase that dog. As for some of those nut jobs that Trump endorsed, pleeeze.

Forget high gas prices, inflation, crime, open borders, record setting illegal immigration, more people dying under Biden's watch than Trump's due to Covid, our new spectacular two tier justice system, recession, the botched Afghanistan withdrawal, or the new never ending money pit proxy war in Ukraine. 

So let's go over that. Gas prices are going down. Inflation is a worldwide issue that is not going away anywhere. Open boarders is a big problem, and I would like to see that taken care of. As for Covid deaths, please tell me what Biden was supposed to do? We are not in a recession. Afghanistan was a mess, and we have to support the war in Ukraine, as far as I am concerned, unless you like an embolden Russia.

Btw.. I really should have never responded to you, since you used that ridiculous term, Brandon. But I figured it was worth going over your comment point by point, although I realize it is probably lost on you.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @1.2.6    4 weeks ago

First of all, you will have to prove that Democratic votes accounted for these nutcases being nominated. If you have proof lets see it. Just saying some states have open primaries doesnt cut it.

Secondly, this claiming that Democratic tv ads got far right nutcases nominated is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.  MAGA voted for these wackos in the primaries because Trump told them to. He is their leader and they do what he wants. More moderate people dont vote in primaries, particularly the republican primaries. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2.11  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @1.2.4    4 weeks ago
impeach Fauci

He isn't a member of the Legislature or the Executive branch, he cannot be impeached by Congress.

and Mayorkas; 

As a Cabinet member have at him.

release Brandon's  tax returns (including Pelosi's);

Both are already public record.

and all of the Jan 6th committee's

Why? Revenge?

This is why I rarely bother to read you angry rants

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.9    4 weeks ago

It is beyond immature to refer to President Biden as Brandon and ridiculous ant tiresome.

No one takes him seriously

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.11    4 weeks ago

It's useless, tiresome, and redundant.  I rarely waste my time even reading his comments

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.2.14  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.12    4 weeks ago
It is beyond immature to refer to President Biden as Brandon and ridiculous ant tiresome. No one takes him seriously

After all the name calling you did to President Trump?  All I can say is wow....  This really says it all..

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.15  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @1.2.14    4 weeks ago

When the shoe fits little buddy, when the shoe fits.  Truth isn't immature, it's truth

Plus, no need to talk to me if you're just going to insult me.  Buzz off why don't you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.15    4 weeks ago
Plus, no need to talk to me if you're just going to insult me. 

Stop imagining you are a victim. There were no insults in his post. He merely remarked truthfully on your posts.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.17  Texan1211  replied to  Snuffy @1.2.14    4 weeks ago
This really says it all..

Hate to disagree, but we both really know that will never, ever be 'all'.

Unfortunately.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.18  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.17    4 weeks ago

It says absolutely nothing, as usual

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.18    4 weeks ago

we both really know that will never, ever be 'all'.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

He was part of 1/6 and went to Mar-A-Lardo to consult with him/kiss his ass following the insurrection, which #45 incited and led along with the rest of the gqp involved in the failed insurrection

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    4 weeks ago

McCarthy the traitor that is

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.3.2  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.1    4 weeks ago

Using your logic Pelosi, Schumer, and Bowser are traitors then for failing in their jobs to make sure the capital was secure.

All evidence that the Jan 6th committee is hiding on those 3 failing to do their jobs needs to be released to the public immediately.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @1.3.2    4 weeks ago

Projection, deflection, and denial are all you have to offer

Ho Hum

Plus outright lies

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2  Snuffy    4 weeks ago

Hmmm,  interesting times to be sure.  The House Freedom Caucus got him to back out in 2015 when Boehner stepped down because they viewed him as hard-core Washington establishment.  If McCarthy does get the Speakership, how much power will this hard right group end up holding and how far to the right will they be able to push the House?  Much like the hard left groups impacted the Democrats these past years, the Republicans could end up being pushed further to the right.  IMO if they push too hard for pet projects / bills / investigations rather than doing work for the people that will also impact the future voting in '24.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @2    4 weeks ago
IMO if they push too hard for pet projects / bills / investigations rather than doing work for the people that will also impact the future voting in '24.

That didn't seem to hurt the left in the last few elections. Maybe the people want to see their representatives fight hard for their constituents.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago

Fight hard for their constituents, yes.  Continue to carry water for the stolen election, no.  Endless investigations against Democrats that appear more in retaliation, no.  

There are legitimate issues / questions  that need answers but there are also so many of them that IMO the House needs to be careful in their selection of what to investigate.  If they try to investigate all of the issues from the very beginning it will look as if the Republicans are more interested in retaliation than governing.  As the '22 election shows, it's kitchen table issues.  Most banks are calling for recession in the first quarter of '23, if true there are a lot of people who will be hurting over simple economic issues that won't care what the investigation shows.  This IMO is a very perilous time for any partisan majority due to the problems that people are facing every day.

But then again I could be overthinking it and forgetting that sheep will follow along and do what they are told to do and vote for who they are told to vote for.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

Of course, investigate the investigators who had just cause in the first place

Protect and defend the gqp at all costs!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

Go find John Boehner. Is he still crying like a little baby over Pelosi having to step down? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago

The gop/gqp do nothing for their constituents, it's all about what they can do for themselves.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.5  Ronin2  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.1    4 weeks ago
  As the '22 election shows, it's kitchen table issues.

WTF!?

You mean high gas prices, inflation, crime, open borders, record breaking illegal immigration, the botched Afghanistan withdrawal, and the never ending money pit proxy war in Ukraine aren't?

Democrats made the last election about Trump, Trump candidates, and Jan 6th. They completely ignored all the damage they have done; and voters still left them in charge! 

Most banks are calling for recession in the first quarter of '23, if true there are a lot of people who will be hurting over simple economic issues that won't care what the investigation shows.

You think Democrats have any ideas on how to stop the recession? They are going to continue to blame Republicans for not backing their ever increasing spending bills and use their sycophants in the media to try and make it stick.

This IMO is a very perilous time for any partisan majority due to the problems that people are facing every day.

Because the Establishment has served the US voters so damn well./S

But then again I could be overthinking it and forgetting that sheep will follow along and do what they are told to do and vote for who they are told to vote for.

Democrats sure as hell do; and they seem to infecting independent voters with their mindless partisan drivel. The best way to counter that is to expose the truth that Democrats have been fighting so damn hard to hide. Let the Democrats and media scream about Republicans partisanship and paybacks; it didn't Republicans any good for the last 6 years and counting.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.6  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    4 weeks ago
Go find John Boehner. Is he still crying like a little baby over Pelosi having to step down? 

Don't know, he's retired after serving 13 terms in the Washington establishment.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.7  Snuffy  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.5    4 weeks ago
You mean high gas prices, inflation, crime, open borders, record breaking illegal immigration, the botched Afghanistan withdrawal, and the never ending money pit proxy war in Ukraine aren't?

Gas prices, inflation and crime are the primary issues yes, the others IMO come after those in the minds of most people.  The southern border and all the problems that come from it and the fucked up Afghanistan withdrawal are horrible examples of ineptitude in action by this administration but they are not kitchen table issues.

Democrats made the last election about Trump, Trump candidates, and Jan 6th.

Of course they did.  It was the smartest move the Democrats could do as they surely couldn't stand on their own record.  And it paid off because they understood the mood of the voter better than the Republican leadership did.  Republican leadership should never have allowed those Trump candidates to win, but they ignored it rather than piss off Trump.  And IMO it bit them in the ass.

Most banks are calling for recession in the first quarter of '23, if true there are a lot of people who will be hurting over simple economic issues that won't care what the investigation shows.
You think Democrats have any ideas on how to stop the recession? They are going to continue to blame Republicans for not backing their ever increasing spending bills and use their sycophants in the media to try and make it stick.

Of course they don't.  They were successful in the huge financial giveaways that bring in more of the younger voters who think getting something for free is a good thing.  Neither party has any real ideas or power to stop the recession, it's gonna roll over us in a big way I'm afraid.  I'm already supporting two households now (mine and a daughter with health issues) and I'm very concerned for the future.  

Democrats sure as hell do; and they seem to infecting independent voters with their mindless partisan drivel. The best way to counter that is to expose the truth that Democrats have been fighting so damn hard to hide. Let the Democrats and media scream about Republicans partisanship and paybacks; it didn't Republicans any good for the last 6 years and counting.

I've said it before.  Republicans need to be very open and upfront / logical on what they do and present it all to the voting public.  They need to stop thinking they know better than the public, put it all out there for everybody to see it.  As they say, sunlight is the best disinfectant and the only thing that will counter partisan bullshit is the full unvarnished truth.  If that truth also harms the political future of establishment Republicans so be it.  But I'm not hopeful that will happen, the power of the political party leadership might be too great to overcome and definitely the greed of remaining in power by the individual is greater than the desire to bring out all the truth.  I expect a continuation of the same partisan drivel that we have seen for many years where they try to release just enough to harm the other side while shielding themselves.  IMO that's not good enough anymore, we should demand better than what we get.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.7    4 weeks ago
I've said it before.  Republicans need to be very open and upfront / logical on what they do and present it all to the voting public.  They need to stop thinking they know better than the public, put it all out there for everybody to see it.  As they say, sunlight is the best disinfectant and the only thing that will counter partisan bullshit is the full unvarnished truth.  If that truth also harms the political future of establishment Republicans so be it.  But I'm not hopeful that will happen, the power of the political party leadership might be too great to overcome and definitely the greed of remaining in power by the individual is greater than the desire to bring out all the truth.  I expect a continuation of the same partisan drivel that we have seen for many years where they try to release just enough to harm the other side while shielding themselves.  IMO that's not good enough anymore, we should demand better than what we get.

I agree with you fully. It will never no matter how much we demand it. You either vote for the candidate with an R or D behind their name; or you throw your vote away. If we had more than just a two party system it might be different. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

There is only one thing Kevin McCarthy will ever be remembered for 25 or 50 years from now - his pitiful subservience to Donald Trump when he went down to Maralago a couple weeks after Jan 6th and kissed Trumps ring (ass) and said "Godfather , can you help me?"

Thats is all he has or will ever have in his biography. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 weeks ago

I thought he went much much sooner to kiss his big fat ass

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    4 weeks ago

After he and #45 incited and planned the failed insurrection on 1/6 for MONTHS

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.1    4 weeks ago
After he and #45 incited and planned the failed insurrection on 1/6 for MONTHS

proof?

Or is THIS it?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

Liberal = Reality

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.3    4 weeks ago

Good afternoon Tessylo,

I hope you had a great New Years and that the job hunt is going well. Hopefully you will find an employer that will allow you to post on here all during work hours like your last one did.

I think that would be a great fit for you.

Have a great New Year....

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.3    4 weeks ago
Liberal = Reality

Please. Stop.

 A man can only take so much!

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.5    4 weeks ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.6    4 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 weeks ago

It didn’t matter. They still won’t vote for him.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
4  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

This is just stupid.  McCarthy is not standing in the way of these clowns obtaining their goals, whatever they are. Nor is any other possible speaker.  Math is.

Joe Biden is President and nothing will become law without either his support or 2/3 of Congress.  All the Republicans can do is use the House to say no to amnesty, open borders, massive spending, racial discrimination etc... These idiots ran as members of a party. One of the tradeoffs of being in a party is voting to support whoever the majority of the party wants to be Leader.  If you can't convince your party to support your candidate, you vote for whoever the majority of the party does want. Its pretty simple. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1  Snuffy  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    4 weeks ago

I believe the concern for the House Freedom Caucus is that they believe that McCarthy is too much a Washington establishment politician rather than a Republican and would continue to work for the status quo.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @4.1    4 weeks ago

Yeah, lets turn our government over to Marjorie Taylor Greene and Jim Jordan and Paul Gosar jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
4.1.2  Hallux  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

Meh, Marjorie is the smart one in the bunch.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
4.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

Either would be better than Nancy Pelosi.

Wonder what her/her husband's tax returns look like. Should be fun to see them.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
5  Tacos!    4 weeks ago

Just to show how full of shit the far-Trump wing of the party is, Trump endorsed McCarthy and those nutbags still won’t vote for him.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6  Tacos!    4 weeks ago

Third ballot incoming . . .

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tacos! @6    4 weeks ago

Weirdly, the Trumpers are voting for Jim Jordan, even though he’s the guy who nominated Kevin McCarthy.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
6.1.1  pat wilson  replied to  Tacos! @6.1    4 weeks ago

So they're voting for the pedo enabler.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
6.1.2  George  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.1    4 weeks ago

Why not? democrats voted for actual pedophile in Biden.

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
6.1.3  Hallux  replied to  George @6.1.2    4 weeks ago

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pat wilson
Professor Guide
6.1.4  pat wilson  replied to  George @6.1.2    4 weeks ago

Fake news.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
6.1.5  George  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.4    4 weeks ago

Alleged "showers with my dad:" President Joe Biden's daughter reportedly writes of alleged abuse in diary

Alleged "showers with my dad:" President Joe Biden's daughter reportedly writes of alleged abuse in diary (msn.com)

Ashley Biden's Shocking Diary Is Real, Confirming Creepy Joe Biden Allegations

Ashley Biden's Shocking Diary Is Real, Confirming Creepy Joe Biden Allegations (townhall.com)

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @6.1.3    4 weeks ago

Yes indeed.  He's obsessed with pedophiles and President Biden isn't one of them

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
6.1.7  pat wilson  replied to  George @6.1.5    4 weeks ago

Because the authenticity of this document or the images published by National File have not been confirmed, any claims derived from the "diary"  — including ones at issue here — must inherently be rated "Unproven."

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.4    4 weeks ago

Fake news and projection, deflection, and denial are all some have

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
6.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.7    4 weeks ago
Fake news.

Your link doesn't say that. It just claims the entries aren't proven. 

the authenticity of this document or the images published by National File have not been confirmed, any claims derived from the "diary

Why do you think the FBI is involved, if the diary is fake?

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
6.1.10  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.9    4 weeks ago

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We know that Merrick Garland is completely worthless, but even he wouldn't prosecute someone for transporting stolen property. IE the diary if it wasn't true? would he?

The above-mentioned Harris and Kurlander  pleaded guilty  to conspiracy to transport stolen property across state lines in their sale of the document to Project Veritas.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
6.1.11  pat wilson  replied to  George @6.1.10    4 weeks ago
Project Veritas

320

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
6.1.12  pat wilson  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.9    4 weeks ago
Why do you think the FBI is involved,

They usually are with anything concerning the President or his family.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
6.1.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.12    4 weeks ago

They usually are with anything concerning the President or his family.

Not for imaginary or made up things.  There's zero evidence the diary isn't legit. It's just hopes and wishes that its not. 

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
6.1.14  George  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.11    4 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  George @6.1.5    4 weeks ago

Reportedly and allegedly says it all!  EXACTLY NOTHING

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
7  Hallux    4 weeks ago

Phew! Santos voted for McCarthy ... all is cool! /S

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8  Ender    4 weeks ago

Omg....I was watching a little of all this, sorry but the republicans are looking like a clown show.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
8.1  Gsquared  replied to  Ender @8    4 weeks ago
the republicans are looking like a clown show

As expected, and this is just the beginning.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Gsquared @8.1    4 weeks ago

The "normal" Republicans have allowed the so-called "bomb throwers" to hold all the cards , and it gets worse in that regard all the time, and now those chickens are coming home to roost. 

The bomb throwers agenda is to investigate Biden , Pelosi, etc.  That is not government. But the normal Republicans have no power to stop it and it will kill them in '24. The majority of the American people do not want to see all these phony, insane, far right witch hunts. The Republican Party has thrown itself under the bus. 

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
9  George    4 weeks ago

And the lemmings all vote lockstep together, Sheep!

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
10  Kavika     4 weeks ago

At the rate they're trying to elect a speaker George Santos may lose in 2024 without ever having been seated from 2022. 

Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger will hold their seats and run again in 2024. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @10    4 weeks ago
At the rate they're trying to elect a speaker George Santos may lose in 2024 without ever having been seated from 2022.

I don't know if he'll be defeated. Look what idiotic lying did for Joe Biden.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
10.2  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @10    4 weeks ago
Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger will hold their seats and run again in 2024. 

Right. Because if the new House Members aren't sworn in the old ones get to keep their seats. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11  JBB    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

"Democratic House representative Marcy Kaptur signaled in an interview on Capitol Hill Tuesday that she would consider crossing the floor and voting for the Republican frontrunner Kevin McCarthy."



Could they be the only ones to save McCarthy?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
12.1  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @12    4 weeks ago

If he found enough votes across the aisle he would have to guarantee the Dems something huge.

Why bother?  His priorities are to beat and cause pain to the Dems, that won't happen

AND  he will still have the 20 or so malcontents in his own party to deal with.  Lose- lose situation.

Steve Scalise is the only logical choice.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
12.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @12.1    4 weeks ago

No, there are better choices from a Dem perspective than Scalise.  Pick a more moderate Repub candidate, perhaps an ex-Congressman, and poach 18 Repubs that won in Biden districts.

 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
12.1.2  GregTx  replied to  Split Personality @12.1    4 weeks ago

If the Dems were smart they would nominate the most conservative sounding Dem they have and try to get some moderate Reps to jump. Would that be a first? I'm gonna have to look that up....

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
12.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  GregTx @12.1.2    4 weeks ago

1855 or 1856, 130 plus votes because there were 4 parties, the winner was from the American Party (?)  and did a great job, the following year he turned Republican and eventually over time ran for House seats on 5 different party tickets.

In 1857 he resigned to be the Governor of Mass(R)

Multiple votes pretty much ended after the Civil war resulting in a solid two party system.

Nathaniel Banks was a purely political animal who changed party affiliation with the wind.  He was a political appointment to Major General in the Union Army.

He had a checkered career in the Army.

He was also the first "outsider" ever elected Governor of Mass.

Post Civil War he easily won reelection to the House several more times for Mass.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @12.1    4 weeks ago
Steve Scalise is the only logical choice.

You may finally be right.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
13  Kavika     4 weeks ago

As of a few minutes ago Kevin Wannabe McCarthy just went 0 for 6. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

Hannity tried to confront one of the leading never McCarthyites:






‘I Asked You a Simple Question, Congresswoman’

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

"McCarthy offers concessions to secure votes from GOP holdouts ahead of 7th speaker vote."

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If he can't get the votes now, he has to give it up.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
15.1  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @15    4 weeks ago

He won't. He is bad as Pelosi when it comes to being power hungry. 

He thinks that the Speakership is his by right for representing CA. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
15.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @15.1    4 weeks ago
He thinks that the Speakership is his by right for representing CA. 

Nothing to do with California.

He has insisted that he "earned it" over the years.

As far as States go, Massachusetts has had the most Speakers, eight of the 54 Speakers.

Perhaps Tip O'Neil was the most famous Speaker from Mass.

Pelosi is the only Speaker from California so far.

Right now McCarthy is learning what John Boehner experienced when dealing with the "Tea Party".

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
15.2  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @15    4 weeks ago

There are no rules

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @15.2    4 weeks ago

The House has no rules?

Since when?   Since Das Furher changed them all?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
15.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.1    4 weeks ago
Since when?   

Since 1789.

The Constitution has no rules for choosing a Speaker,

nor does it specify what the Speakers duties are.

The current guidelines are simply the accumulation of tradition.

mostly since 1880.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @15.2.2    4 weeks ago

Then why does either McCarthy or Jeffries or anyone need 218 votes to be speaker?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
15.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.3    3 weeks ago

That's how elections work Vic. 218 is one more than half of the eligible voters.

The Constitution says they must elect a Speaker.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.2.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @15.2.4    3 weeks ago
That's how elections work Vic.

And as a slick radical once said "Elections have consequences!"

Had the GOP delivered on that red wave, McCarthy would be home free now.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
15.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.5    3 weeks ago

Yes, I believe you are correct.

What is your point?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
15.2.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.3    3 weeks ago
hen why does either McCarthy or Jeffries or anyone need 218 votes to be speaker?

They don't.  The House can vote to elect someone on a plurality. There's no requirement  for 218 votes or a majority of voters.  They can simply decide to elect whoever get the most votes if they want. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
15.2.8  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @15.2.7    3 weeks ago

That would require a rule change PRIOR to the election.

McCarthy can change it if and when he becomes Speaker, as he will also

be the Chair of the Rules Committe and can change the rules for the NEXT Speaker

election.

A plurality system would have given the Speakership to Jefferies by now.

Neither Party will allow the Majority rule to change.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
15.2.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @15.2.8    3 weeks ago

hat would require a rule change PRIOR to the election.

no. As you pointed out, there are no rules to change. It simply takes a point of order following a vote seeking a vote to change the winner  to whoever receives the most votes, majority or not. 

 It's happened before. 

plurality system would have given the Speakership to Jefferies by now.

Depends when its implemented. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
15.2.10  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @15.2.9    3 weeks ago

Lol, make up my mind.

There are some basic rules, nothing in writing, just tradition.

Tradition is that the vote is majority, not plurality, unless as in 1849 and 1855,

the House members eventually voted to change to a plurality vote to put an end

to the madness.

Also the very idea that abstaining by voting present, is also a rule.

A rule that McCarthy may use to his advantage to win the Speakership with less

than a true majority of the vote.

All this drama should have been done behind closed doors weeks or months ago.

Not a good start.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @15.2.8    3 weeks ago
That would require a rule change PRIOR to the election.

Link please.

Did they change the rules PRIOR to the election in 1849 and 1855?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
15.2.12  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @15.2.11    3 weeks ago

Already corrected and posted in the previous comment.

Please try to keep up.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @15.2.12    3 weeks ago

It gets hard sometimes.

First there were no rules, then there were.

First it requires rule changes, although there were no rules, then there were.

First they had to change the rules before the election, then they didn't.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
15.2.14  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @15.2.13    3 weeks ago
It gets hard sometimes.

So sorry, did we tax your attention span?

Maybe Sean can explain the conversation to you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

Matt Gaetz just nominated Donald Trump for Speaker.

Might that shake things up?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
16.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @16    4 weeks ago

“Matt Gaetz just nominated Donald Trump for Speaker.”

Matt Gaetz just showed how little regard he has for the process, as shown in his continued requests for blanket immunity. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
16.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  afrayedknot @16.1    4 weeks ago

The Speaker does not have to be member of the House.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
16.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  afrayedknot @16.1    4 weeks ago

Gaetz nominates Trump for House speaker

This is fucking hilarious!!!!!!  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
16.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @16.1.2    4 weeks ago

Vic called this yesterday as the thing to do to force their hand on McCarthy LMMFAO

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
16.1.4  afrayedknot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @16.1.3    4 weeks ago

You feel free to laugh, just jim…any serious look at these proceedings is just anything but laughable. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
16.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  afrayedknot @16.1.4    4 weeks ago

I was laughing at the fact that Vic called it. Anyone who thinks these "proceedings" are anything but a clown show has a serious problem.

And thanks for your permission to laugh. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
16.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @16.1.4    4 weeks ago

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afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
16.1.7  afrayedknot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @16.1.5    4 weeks ago

“…a clown show…”

Indeed.

And in 2123 they will look back and acknowledge just, jim…who was responsible. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
16.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @16.1.5    4 weeks ago

vic didn't and never has called DICK.  He may be 'right' but in general is wrong on just about everything.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
16.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @16.1.8    4 weeks ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @16.1.1    4 weeks ago

True, but do you think it would be rational, responsible and patriotic to vote Trump in as Speaker of the House?

Speaks poorly for Matt Gaetz (expected).

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
16.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @16.1.9    4 weeks ago
Bullshit. You have no idea what we share in IM's.

maybe we could just put them all up here on NT for all to see.  I have some from as recent as today.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
16.1.12  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.10    4 weeks ago

2 years past the date for getting a blanket pardon he never received from trump, and he's still kissing trump's fat ass...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.10    4 weeks ago
True, but do you think it would be rational, responsible and patriotic to vote Trump in as Speaker of the House?

If they get 25 members to vote for Trump, you'll see all the democrats vote for McCarthy and they'll do it in unity... Seig Heil!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @16.1.1    4 weeks ago

Tell him. I wish they knew that.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
16.1.15  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.13    4 weeks ago

“If they get 25 members to vote for Trump…”

Desperate times to invoke ‘he who shall not be named’ and counting on the infidels to bail out the incompetent. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @16.1.15    4 weeks ago

Well, If McCarthy keeps rolling the dice, anything may happen.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.1.17  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.13    4 weeks ago

What you might see is the election of a D Speaker with an R majority.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
16.1.18  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.16    4 weeks ago

“Well, If McCarthy keeps rolling the dice, anything may happen.”

Well you know it won’t be the sacrificial lamb in Donalds.

Keep rolling snake eyes and soon enough no one will be willing to place a bet on anything to do with the dysfunction shown before they are to assume control of but one-third of the government. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.19  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.17    4 weeks ago

That could happen if enough Republicans are out of the room if their names are called. The democrats, always on a tight leash, have been told to stay close to the House Chamber. Nobody has given such instructions to the Republicans that I know of.

Of course, if that were to happen, it would be the end of the GOP.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.20  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @16.1.18    4 weeks ago
Well you know it won’t be the sacrificial lamb in Donalds.

Why not?

Donalds would be a great choice...and...it would give Republicans the first black Speaker!

That would really piss off democrats.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.1.21  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.19    4 weeks ago
Of course, if that were to happen, it would be the end of the GOP.

It might be just what the GoP needs to get its act together.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.20    4 weeks ago
That would really piss off democrats.

Is that important?   Does pissing off the other side help our nation?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
16.1.23  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.21    3 weeks ago

looks like that church is getting ready to split.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
16.1.24  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.20    3 weeks ago
Donalds would be a great choice

He has no experience. He's a junior rep.. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
16.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @16    4 weeks ago

That fucking moron isn't qualified to be a garbage man or dog catcher.

He's a shithead.  A moron.  A hateful and divisive scumbag like the majority of his enablers/supporters 

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
16.2.1  pat wilson  replied to  Tessylo @16.2    4 weeks ago

Who likes to shtup teenage girls.

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Guide
16.2.11  evilgenius  replied to  pat wilson @16.2.1    3 weeks ago
Who likes to shtup teenage girls.

If his ex-bestie is to be believed he has to pay teenage girls to shtup...

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Guide
17  evilgenius    4 weeks ago

Now on to round 9 or will the moderates on both sides try to form a coalition government? 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
17.1  Split Personality  replied to  evilgenius @17    4 weeks ago

Maybe Round 10?

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Guide
17.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  Split Personality @17.1    3 weeks ago

Now we are working on day 4 and round 12 or more... McCarthy can't lead people that don't want to be lead. He'll hand out enough rope to end up hanging himself and losing the next election to the Dems. The only way out is to form a moderate coalition and relegate these holdout idiots to nothing more than soundbites. I would think by now everyone but the Trump Humpers are exhausted on circus committee investigations and want some problems solved. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
17.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  evilgenius @17.1.1    3 weeks ago

Interesting bit last night with Michael Steele and an ex-Republican House Member that there are at least three house members that are capable and willing to be House Speaker but are waiting for McCarthy to fold first.

After McCarthy folds it will only take a day or two to name a Republican Speaker that can get 218.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
18  Kavika     3 weeks ago

In the latest vote, number 14 Kevin Wannabe McCarthy came up one short after insisting that he had the votes. Opps.

512

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
18.1  TᵢG  replied to  Kavika @18    3 weeks ago

I think it was 2 short (216).   Looks like McCarthy is going to prevail.   My hope was that he would give up and the GoP would rally around someone else (likely better).   I am used to being disappointed.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
18.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  TᵢG @18.1    3 weeks ago

216 is not a majority.

because 2 voted "present" only 432 votes were cast

and he needed 217 votes for a majority.

Unbelievably, the vote to adjourn or not is a plurality vote!

Nucking futz.

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Kavika
Professor Principal
18.1.2  Kavika   replied to  TᵢG @18.1    3 weeks ago
Looks like McCarthy is going to prevail.

There is a lot of confusion on the house floor right now and no one seems to know WTF is going on. 

As my very wise grandfather would say about McCarthy, ''that boy could fuck up a one-car funeral''....

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
18.1.3  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @18.1    3 weeks ago

the first thing mccarthy needs to do after he wins is renege on all the deals and shaft the freedom caucus.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
18.1.4  Kavika   replied to  devangelical @18.1.3    3 weeks ago

What a Clown Show this has turned into. They are going to have another vote and they are saying one republican will change to yes to get Wannabe elected as speaker of the house.

Unreal.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
18.1.5  Kavika   replied to  devangelical @18.1.3    3 weeks ago

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Split Personality
Professor Principal
18.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  devangelical @18.1.3    3 weeks ago

Here we go again, round 15.

The McCarthy Party changed enough votes to cancel the motion to adjourn.

Wow.

At least if he gets it, it will probably be after midnight.

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devangelical
Professor Principal
18.1.7  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @18.1.6    3 weeks ago

it looks to me like lauren and matt may have plans later...

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
18.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @18.1.6    3 weeks ago

As more people abstain by voting present

so far, Biggs and Bobert,

McCarthy needs fewer votes to win.

If nothing else changes and Gaetz votes present again

McCarthy will finally prevail with 216 out of 431 votes.

Crane just voted present also.

It's almost in the bag.

and it's midnight.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
18.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @18.1.8    3 weeks ago

With (presently) only 428 voting out of 434

it is most likely that McCarthy will prevail

with a minority of the House voting for him.

Great start.  /S

Almost out of popcorn...

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
18.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @18.1.9    3 weeks ago

Done deal.

Now they are stating they (McCarthy) doesn't have the votes for the as of yet unseen Rules Package.

Adjournment til Monday should be the next motion.

 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
19  Split Personality    3 weeks ago

Now going for 15.

Mc Carthy thinks he now has Gaetz vote. jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
19.1  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @19    3 weeks ago

but I'll assume lauren has a lot more experience digging in her heels...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
19.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @19.1    3 weeks ago
I assume lauren has a lot more experience digging in her heels too...

Probably less than Kamala.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
19.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @19.1.1    3 weeks ago

what does lauren's documented stubbornness have to do with kamala?

 
 

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