Reminiscences of Leopold and Loeb

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  3 weeks ago  •  444 comments

 Reminiscences of Leopold and Loeb
"Well," I said to myself, "it's over. There's no turning back now. How on earth could I ever have got involved in this thing? It was horrible--more horrible even than I figured it was going to be. But that's behind me now. Somehow I never believed that it would happen--that we'd actually go through with it. "But it's done. "And now, at least, there aren't any decisions to make. I'll be able to put all my thought on not making any slips--on staying one jump ahead of the police.

Link to Quote: https://famous-trials.com/leopoldandloeb/1749-ownwords


Police have linked Bryan Kohberger to the stabbing deaths of 4 students: Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Ethan Chapin, 20, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Madison Mogen, 21. Kohberger is a 28-year-old graduate student, with a master's degree from DeSales and he is a criminal justice Ph.D. candidate. He studied under famed criminoligist Dr. Katherine Ramsland. Kohberger was charged Thursday with four counts of first-degree murder and   one count of felony burglary.  A premeditated first-degree murder charge in Idaho carries a death sentence or life imprisonment. This case in which an intellectual comes to believe in his own superior intellect to the point of being able to comit and get away with the "perfect crime" reminds us of the famous case of Leopold and Loeb.


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For those who don't know:

"Wealthy and intellectually brilliant ( Leopold  had graduated from the  University of Chicago  at 18,  Loeb  from the  University of Michigan  at 17), the two had committed several  petty  acts of  theft  and  arson  before attempting the “perfect murder”—in the kidnap of Bobby Franks in a rented automobile on May 21, 1924, on Chicago’s south side; Loeb, the more ruthless of the two, hit the boy on the head with a chisel and stuffed a gag in his mouth; the boy died within minutes. They half-buried the body in a railway culvert and, by phone and notes, demanded $10,000 in ransom from the boy’s wealthy parents. The body, however, was unexpectedly found, and several clues, including the discovery of Leopold’s eyeglasses at the culvert, led the police to Leopold and Loeb. They quickly confessed.

For 33 days in July–August 1924, Darrow, hired by Leopold’s father, defended the two before Judge John R. Caverly, offering an  eloquent  appeal against capital punishment. The judge finally sentenced them each to life imprisonment for murder and 99 years for kidnapping. They were sent to Northern Illinois Penitentiary near  Joliet ."

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Leopold-and-Loeb

It is truly sad when the well educated delude themselves into thinking that they are superior to the rest of us. In the Kohberger case the police took a lot of heat up front but in the end they got the killer. Another spoiled genius bites the dust.


The Week:

D ay 4 of Kevin McCarthy's odyssey: "After failing to win in 11 rounds of voting, Kevin McCarthy played down the idea that planned concessions would weaken him as speaker, and negotiators indicated they were closing in on an agreement. Republicans involved in the talks huddled late into Thursday trying to bridge the gulf between Mr. McCarthy’s supporters and  his 20 opponents . Negotiators indicated they were closing in on an agreement, and Mr. McCarthy expressed optimism and played down the idea that planned concessions would weaken him as speaker."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kevin-mccarthys-house-speaker-bid-heads-to-fourth-day-as-talks-continue-11673002595?mod=hp_lead_pos5


U.S. employers added 223,000 jobs in December: "The jobless rate moved down to 3.5% from a revised 3.6% in November. The December payrolls numbers are a slight decline from November’s revised increase of 256,000,  the Labor Department said Friday . For all of 2022, U.S. employers added 4.5 million jobs, the second-best year for job creation on records back to 1940 after 2021, when the labor market rebounded from the pandemic-induced shutdowns and added 6.7 million jobs."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/december-jobs-report-unemployment-rate-economy-growth-2022-11672961227


Transgender ruling: "A federal judge in West Virginia has upheld a state law that prohibits biological male student athletes who identify and present themselves as female from  playing on girl's school sports teams .  Judge Joseph R. Goodwin of the  Southern District of West Virginia  ruled on Thursday that H.B. 3293, the "Save Women's Sports Bill," which defines "girl" and "woman" as biologically female for the purpose of secondary school sports, is "constitutionally permissible." The court found that West Virginia's definition of "biological sex" for school sports is "substantially related to its important interest in providing equal athletic opportunities for females."

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/federal-judge-upholds-west-virginia-save-womens-sports-law-barring-trans-athletes-girls-sports-teams



Violence in the failing nation of Mexico: "The state of  Sinaloa, Mexico is being hit with a wave of violence, officials say, following the arrest of the son of jailed drug cartel kingpin Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzmán in the days leading up to President Biden’s visit to the country.  Sinaloa state governor Ruben Rocha told Reuters that so far seven members of Mexico’s security forces have been killed and 21 were injured in a dozen clashes within the northern Sinaloa state, home to the cartel with the same name that once was run by El Chapo. Ovidio Guzmán, his son, was arrested there Thursday by Mexican authorities, officials confirmed."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/sinaloa-mexico-engulfed-violence-chaos-el-chapo-son-arrest-ahead-biden-visit




What have we learned:


There are two takeaways from the standoff going on in the House of Representatives. First is the state of the House that has so many Republican members angry. That would be the legacy of Nancy Pelosi:

1) Congress not complying with its own budget process 
2) The Speakers office now has firm control of House business
3) Committees barely function.
4) Members have no ability to debate or make amendments.
5) Legislation is decided in private by party leaders.

That seems to be part of the complaints of the 19 members to the right of McCarthy. Unfortunately, It's McCarthy who is bearing the brunt of what Pelosi has wrought. My second impression of this fight over the Speaker is that no matter how many concessions McCarthy makes, there is a group that simply does not want him to be Speaker.

There is another issue that needs to be addressed and that is the msm story involving newly elected congressman George Santos. He is not only a liar, as many politicians are, but he is blatant and ridiculous with lying. The funny part is that he emulates Joe Biden in this regard. So why the sudden outrage? I see the New York Times, which has told more lies than Santos and Biden combined is still doing stories on it. It's without a doubt: the biggest non-story of the week.



Cartoon of the Week:

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Honorable Mention:

Simon Ateba

 

 


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago


My message for the 19 against McCarthy:


Listen to Trump and "take the victory!"

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

What victory?

What a loser ass kisser yet still a loser

lol

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 weeks ago

The assholes are on the steps of the Capitol right now redoing their Jan 6th Bull Shit. Is that what you mean?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
The assholes are on the steps of the Capitol right now redoing their Jan 6th Bull Shit. Is that what you mean?

I watched Pelosi stumble through her adoration speech commemorating the people who died on Jan 6, 2020. What she deliberately omitted was that the only person who died that day was unarmed Ashli Babbitt.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.2    3 weeks ago
the only person who died that day was unarmed Ashli Babbitt.

... shout out to Ashley Babbit for 2 years of sobriety.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

Correct. Within a few minutes somebody here will claim that the Capitol cop who died of a heart attack was a direct casualty of the riot

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    3 weeks ago

I'm sure it will happen. It's the MSM mantra.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

I have no idea what you are talking about.  Do you mean folks are protesting the failed insurrection and reminding people to never incite an insurrection after losing the Presidency for months and continue to deny you lost and never conceded to President Biden.

Is that what you mean?

Is deflection all you have?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    3 weeks ago

He was a direct casualty of the failed insurrection thanks to the scumbags and vermin who were there and supported/enabled the failed coup/insurrectionist vermin and beat others nearly to death and used bear spray on some officers and shit and piss in the Capitol 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.2    3 weeks ago

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Snuffy
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1.3  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

While I agree with some of the points of the 19 and I do believe that Washington needs a big correction and that McCarthy is too engrained into the Washington elite to really be a good leader, I have another take on it.  The Democrats IMO should think long and hard about who they want in the leadership chair.  At least McCarthy is moderate enough that he will still work with Democrats, there are a few on the right who will not.  Hell,  while it's along shot it's not ruled out.  How would the Democrats feel about having Trump elected to the speakership?  Maybe the Democrats should also stop playing their partisan games and think what would be better for them for the next two years.  With the political climate being what it is I do not see the potential for a coalition government and I do not see any Republicans being willing to vote a Democrat in as Speaker,  so perhaps the best the Democrats could hope for would be a moderate who at least will work with them?

IMO I do not want McCarthy as speaker, I don't believe he's truly interested in conservative values and the betterment of the country.  He's more interested in advancing his own power and wealth and his next steps down the road.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @1.3    3 weeks ago

You've made some good points. It is true that there are those who have never trusted McCarthy, but I must say they have gotten quite a few major concessions out of him.

If he were elected Speaker now, he would be operating with a gun to his head for the next two years. I don't know why he hasn't stepped aside?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @1.3    3 weeks ago

McCarthy is not a moderate, he is a Trumpster. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    3 weeks ago

Are all Republicans who supported Trump MAGA Republicans?

McCarthy is of the Ryan/Boehner class.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.3.4  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    3 weeks ago

I didn't say he was a moderate, I said he was moderate enough that he would work with Democrats.  IMO he's more concerned with his future and solidifying his power and money.  He's young enough, I would expect  him to run for the White House in a couple of cycles.  To be successful with that he will need to show that he can work with everybody.  And he's very much ingrained with the Washington establishment.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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1.3.5  evilgenius  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    3 weeks ago
McCarthy is not a moderate, he is a Trumpster. 

McCarthy is Gingrich 2.0

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilgenius @1.3.5    3 weeks ago

No, he's Ryan 2.0

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.3.7  Ronin2  replied to  evilgenius @1.3.5    3 weeks ago

WTF.

McCarthy is way too much of a moderate to ever be Gingrich. 

How far to the left does one have to be to even think that?

 
 
 
evilgenius
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1.3.8  evilgenius  replied to  Ronin2 @1.3.7    3 weeks ago
McCarthy is way too much of a moderate to ever be Gingrich. 

Maybe. McCarthy will do what he thinks is best for McCarthy not for the Republican Party nor the American people. Gingrich has no morals or ethics something McCarthy seems to be learning.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.9  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.3    3 weeks ago

Yes, they're all MAGATS

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago


"President Biden appears to be struggling in his press conference on his immigration reforms. After referring to "President Harris", he said the seizure of "more than 20,000 pounds of deadly fentanyl...[is] enough to kill as many as a 1,000 people."...Jonathan Turley

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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2.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    3 weeks ago
"President Biden appears to be struggling in his press conference on his immigration reforms. After referring to "President Harris", he said the seizure of "more than 20,000 pounds of deadly fentanyl...[is] enough to kill as many as a 1,000 people."...Jonathan Turley

At least there is now an "APP" available (Cell Phones included ?), and I think Brandon ........... (spelled it correctly ?) ......... for the "English Impaired".

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.1    3 weeks ago

We are going to need a translation

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

We always do need translation for his nonsense ramblings, not President Biden, you know who I mean jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
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2.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    3 weeks ago

Yeah, morons are so frustrating aren't they?

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.5  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.4    3 weeks ago
morons are so frustrating aren't they?

They sure are, especially when those morons admit to not reading links provided for their education.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.6  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

it doesn't matter what label the trough of rightwing bullshit has. only those that need to believe it are lapping it up.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.7  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @2.1.6    3 weeks ago
it doesn't matter what label the trough of rightwing bullshit has

Much like the trough of left wing bullshit you post on HD that absolutely nobody watches.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    3 weeks ago

I nearly fell of my chair in astonishment at those blunders. It seems that his handlers didn't give him a note card with the Fentanyl poisoning death stats that were caused by HIS Administration's dereliction of duty.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2    3 weeks ago

He's going to the border tomorrow. The 2024 election has begun!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    3 weeks ago
He's going to the border tomorrow. 

This afternoon. It's just a 3 hour photo op lay-over with Mayorkas in a sanitized El Paso. They started getting rid of illegals' tents, blankets, human excrement, and garbage last week and moved the illegals out of sight. Biden won't see what Fox News reporters have been showcasing for a long time.

The 2024 election has begun!

Joe will do whatever the CCP, Mexican cartels, Soros, Obama, and Jill tell him to do. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

El Paso has become the Ellis Island for illegal migrants. Remember McCarthy's promise: If Mayorkas doesn't resign he will face impeachment!



Joe will do whatever the CCP, Mexican cartels, Soros, Obama, and Jill tell him to do. 

And right now they are telling him to look more moderate.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.3    3 weeks ago

At least the Ellis Island immigrants entered LEGALLY, were vetted/sponsored, and medically checked out before release into the US. I can't say the same about 5 MILLION known illegal aliens and tens of thousands of illegal got-aways, many of whom are criminals, on Joe's watch.

 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.4    3 weeks ago

where are your citations for the millions of allegedly known illegal immigrants and the alleged tens of thousands illegal alleged many known criminals?

not from faux news though or some other far right wing rag or blog or whatever

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.6  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.5    3 weeks ago

You have asked me for these citations on numerous occasions before, and I've complied. I will not do it anymore. Groundhog Day is a good movie, but I don't live it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.6    3 weeks ago

Which were all false or irrelevant.

Of course, you have no citation because it's not true

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.7    3 weeks ago
Which were all false or irrelevant.

Did someone tell you that, or did you form your own opinion after READING the links you claim you never read?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.9  Jasper2529  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.8    3 weeks ago

It doesn't matter. I've provided both left and right links which included the same CBP statistics.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.9    3 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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2.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.9    3 weeks ago
It doesn't matter. I've provided both left and right links which included the same CBP statistics.

I know. It is just that the incessant, childish criticism of links the person never even read gets tiresome.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.10    3 weeks ago

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GregTx
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2.2.13  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.12    3 weeks ago

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Split Personality
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2.2.14  Split Personality  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.4    3 weeks ago
At least the Ellis Island immigrants entered LEGALLY, were vetted/sponsored, and medically checked out before release into the US.

Not entirely true.

The official United States immigration facilities located on Ellis Island received more than 12 million immigrants between 1892 and 1954. Ellis Island lies near the Statue of Liberty in the New York Harbor, near the mouth of the Hudson River . Ellis Island was used to register immigrants, and also to screen out those who had contagious diseases or legal problems that would be a burden to society. Inspection at Ellis Island was primarily for the poorer immigrants arriving as third-class passengers aboard steamships, the most common mode of arrival during this time period. Passengers in first and second-class were briefly screened on board the ships, and only had to stop through Ellis Island if they had obvious problems with their health or paperwork. Processing Immigrant Arrivals at Ellis Island | Encyclopedia.com

Two tiered justice?

I can't say the same about 5 MILLION known illegal aliens and tens of thousands of illegal got-aways, many of whom are criminals, on Joe's watch.

You really shouldn't say anything without non partisan iron clad proof.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.15  Jasper2529  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.14    3 weeks ago
Two tiered justice?

Two-tiered "justice" throughout the world has existed for millennia and exists today. Your point?

You really shouldn't say anything without non partisan iron clad proof.

How many times are "enough" times for you, SP? For FIVE YEARS I've complied by posting CBP, DHS, DEA, and other government documentation - including video footage and interviews with CBP agents and county sheriffs. If people don't open and read/watch them, it's not my fault.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.16  devangelical  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.15    3 weeks ago
Two-tiered "justice" throughout the world has existed for millennia and exists today. Your point?

we're supposed to be better than that in america. hopefully the DOJ and jack smith prove it soon.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.17  Split Personality  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.15    3 weeks ago
Your point?

Ellis Island didn't screen First Class or Second Class passengers unless their paperwork was in crayons or they were bleeding.

How many times are "enough" times for you, SP?

I would expect a link each and every time someone spouts statistics about any political issue especially when they are repeating Breitbart & FAIR estimates based on those invisible "gotaways".

Is that clear enough?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.18  Jasper2529  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.17    3 weeks ago

You know as well as I do that Breitbart and FAIR aren't allowed as seed origins on this site, SP. That's why I've never seeded anything using either of those sites.

As far as the rest of your comment - many things are common knowledge and do not need to be cited every time someone who admits to not opening links continues to ask for them. Examples:

  • If I say that Lincoln was shot in Ford's Theater, I shouldn't have to prove it.
  • If I say that JFK was the last POTUS assassinated, I shouldn't have to prove it.
  • If I say that Joe Biden is the current POTUS, I shouldn't have to prove it. 

Our members are smart enough to use the Internet to verify people's comments. Therefore, they can easily verify my comments about illegal aliens, CBP, DHS, DEA ------- especially because I've posted non-partisan links MANY times. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.19  devangelical  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.18    3 weeks ago
Breitbart and FAIR aren't allowed as seed origins on this site

gee, I wonder why...???

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
2.2.20  Split Personality  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.18    3 weeks ago
Our members are smart enough to use the Internet to verify people's comments. Therefore, they can easily verify my comments about illegal aliens, CBP, DHS, DEA ------- especially because I've posted non-partisan links MANY times. 

Yes, I easily verified that the figure 5 million you are quoting is sourced by

FAIR and repeated by the likes of Breitbart, not the CBP.

Which is why links are necessary.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.21  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.17    3 weeks ago

Thanks SP.  I would expect a citation to back up those claims, which I did, which I requested, which was denied because obviously he has no actual proof

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.22  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.18    3 weeks ago

WE shouldn't have to verify YOUR claims.  Why not just provide proof for your allegations?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.2.23  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.22    3 weeks ago

Yeah,  when people make a claim they should have to provide some proof.  It just sucks when people toss out shit without providing any verification for the shit they just tossed out.  

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2.2.24  afrayedknot  replied to  Snuffy @2.2.23    3 weeks ago

Sometimes we forget this is a venue for speaking one’s opinion.

Too often, we get caught up in the desire for verification (when nearly any point can be readily verified or vilified) thus losing the intent of this being first and foremost a mostly civil open forum…thankfully. 

That being said, always appreciate your input, Snuffy, though we rarely see eye to eye. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3  Just Jim NC TttH    3 weeks ago

Thanks again for a good wrap up.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    3 weeks ago

lol to you maybe

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    3 weeks ago

Well that's all that matters at this point. Your opinion after not even reading is irrelevant.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

I read it.  garbage as usual.  a complete waste of my time

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

You say that every week yet here you are............................

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

Just reminding the know nothings of the garbage they are reading, if they know how

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.2    3 weeks ago
I read it. 

doubtful.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

It's always good for a chuckle or outright guffaw at vic's 'version' of the weekjrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    3 weeks ago
lol to you maybe

Well, he is the one that counts!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

There is a commemoration of the Jan 6th two year anniversary taking place right now on the Capitol steps. Out of the 200 or so congress people attending the commemoration, ABC News reports that very few of them are Republicans. 

Maybe they're saving up their energy for the next dozen McCarthy votes. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 weeks ago

What a bunch of assholes!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    3 weeks ago

I agree, the Republicans without the decency or patriotism to commemorate the Jan 6th attack, on Jan 6, are assholes. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

Yup, The second anniversary of the worst day in American history since the attack on Pearl Harbor!

Did you cry?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    3 weeks ago

Your delusions appear to be expanding. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.3    3 weeks ago

I thought having a bell ring as names were read was a nice touch. Don't you think so?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    3 weeks ago

I must have missed the progressives commemorating the officers and secret service agents injured during their 2020 assault on the White House.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.5    3 weeks ago

Progressives broke down the doors of the White House and rampaged the place? When was that?  I must have been sleeping . 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.5    3 weeks ago

They just did. They claim that 140 officers were seriously injured. Bells were ringing as they said it.

Oh, you mean the 2020 riots?  That's all forgotten!

(Paul Pelosi was masterbaiting)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.6    3 weeks ago

It was when they had to take the President down to a bunker and you guys were makling jokes about it. Remember?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    3 weeks ago

Please post the pictures of a progressive mob breaking down the doors of the White House, entering by the hundreds, and rampaging the place. I think we would all be interested in those photos. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
4.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    3 weeks ago

Yeah, injuring police and secret service was a big joke until Jan 2021. Rioters attacking the White House  forced Trump to be moved to a bunker! Lol

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
4.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.9    3 weeks ago

good point. If the police had successfully contained the  Jan 6 rioters and they had just spent hours assaulting and injuring officers, you would have laughed and called it a nothing burger, right? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.9    3 weeks ago

John, we all know that they were only yards from the White House and had just burned down a Church. If the AG hadn't told the security forces to increase the perimiter the next morning, they surely would have. Had they have stormed the White House, the media would have called it a protest gone bad and it would have been no big deal...as the riots that killed two dozen were.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.10    3 weeks ago

Those rioters killed two dozen people. It's barely a footnote.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.12    3 weeks ago

So I guess you have no pictures showing a mob enter the White House, such as what happened at the capitol on Jan 6. 

I guess they are not the same and equivalent then, are they? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.14    3 weeks ago

I do have pictures of the 2020 rioters setting a police station on fire with people in it:

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They aren't of the same equivalent. The 2020 riots were far worse.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.16  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.15    3 weeks ago

which one of those riots attempted to obstruct a joint session of congress that was completing a constitutionally mandated process?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.6    3 weeks ago
I must have been sleeping . 

You seem to do that a lot.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.18  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @4.1.16    3 weeks ago
which one of those riots attempted to obstruct a joint session of congress that was completing a constitutionally mandated process?

That's right.  Destruction of cities across the country over a drug addicts overdose doesn't effect the people as much as a protest in Washington D.C.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
4.1.19  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.18    3 weeks ago

Which cities were destroyed?  I just checked and all of our cities are still there.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.20  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @4.1.19    3 weeks ago

Tell us you haven't paid attention to a damn thing without telling us.  

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
4.1.21  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.20    3 weeks ago

Instead of attacking me, answer the fucking question, but we all know you have no answer. Typical. 

Hyperbole much?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.22  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @4.1.21    3 weeks ago

Instead of attacking me, answer the fucking question

I answered your "fucking question" before you ask it.  Seems you can't pay attention to what was said 5 minutes ago let alone to anything about the riots of 2020.

I guess the outrage is really more about what you support instead of it just plain happening. 

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
4.1.23  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.22    3 weeks ago

I just reviewed all of your comments on this article and you did not answer the question of which cities were destroyed  So, yes, answer the fucking question.  Which cities were destroyed?  Answer is None.  No cities were fucking destroyed.  All you have hyperbole.  Your outrage is nothing but fucking histrionics.  Save your drama for the people that mindlessly agree with you.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.24  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @4.1.23    3 weeks ago
I just reviewed all of your comments on this article and you did not answer the question of which cities were destroyed 

So your attention span is in question as well as your comprehension skills.

So, yes, answer the fucking question. 

It's cute you actually think you are in ANY position of authority over me.  I guess "Wishful Thinking" is how you operate.  Tell me how that's working for you.

Your outrage is nothing but fucking histrionics.

My "outrage"?  I'm not the one demanding an answer to a question.  

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
4.1.25  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.24    3 weeks ago

Again, you have nothing but histrionics and hyperbole.  You've answered nothing and now you're just making shit up.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

Because those gqp republicans played a part of the failed coup.  They're vermin scum

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.7    3 weeks ago

Do you often fantasize about other men masturbating?  That's a lie about Paul Pelosi.  All you have 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.28  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    3 weeks ago

lol I thought he was going to waddle to the Capitol.  He was masturbating watching the vermin scum destroying/attacking people/police/security and shitting and pissing inside the Capitol, etc.  They're doing this for me as he bops his baloney.

Babbit got exactly what she deserved.  Traitor bitch.  Send the other vermin scrum cockroaches scrambling also.  Win-win!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
4.1.29  Greg Jones  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @4.1.23    3 weeks ago
"No cities were fucking destroyed"

Nobody claimed they were.. But a lot of damage was done and many people were hurt.

And by the way....the Capitol wasn't destroyed either...just some minor damage in fact.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
4.1.30  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.29    3 weeks ago

I never said the Capitol was destroyed, so that was a bad attempt at deflection. 

Destruction of cities across the country

There's the claim in all of its hyperbolic glory. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.31  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @4.1.25    3 weeks ago
You've answered nothing and now you're just making shit up.  

And yet, you haven't proven anything I've stated wrong.  Why is that?  

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
4.1.32  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.31    3 weeks ago

So, you're still sticking to the lame ass story that cites were destroyed, yet you never answered what cities were destroyed.  I can't prove you wrong if you don't answer the question because absolutely no cities were destroyed.  They're all there.  So, why didn't you answer my question is the new question? Second question is why are you replying to comments I made 4 days ago when you couldn't reply to them at the time?  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.33  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @4.1.32    3 weeks ago
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Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
4.1.34  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.33    3 weeks ago

You keep running your mouth by replying to me so yeah, I'll keep on replying to you.  You don't even know what you are talking about anymore.  I asked you over and over again what cities have been destroyed.  How can I prove you wrong if you won't answer the question?  Fuck you're dense.  AND NO CITIES WERE DESTROYED, NONE.  There, I proved you wrong since you supplied the same amount of proof that cities were destroyed.    

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
4.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 weeks ago

Democrats celebrating their most beloved day Jan 6th. Oh the joy they feel! The elation they have!

They, and their media shills, will try and force everyone to remember it forever. Since they have no achievements other than running this country into the ground for the last two years, it is all they have to divert voters attention.

More officers and Feds were injured during the leftist Brown shirt Summer of Love than Jan 6th. More civilians assaulted and killed. More damage was done to private, public, state, and federal property. 

More than 2,000 law enforcement officers were injured in the first weeks of protests over the summer following the police killing of George Floyd, according to a report released in October. The Major Cities Chiefs Association, a professional association comprised of local law enforcement heads from the 69 largest police agencies in the United States and nine in Canada, detailed the unrest and compiled data from protests between May 25 and July 31 in MCCA member cities.

the death toll from two weeks of demonstrations over the death of George Floyd continues to creep upward, with at least 19 people—a majority of whom are black—now dead. 

Riots sparked by the  police killing of George Floyd  could cost insurance companies $1 billion to $2 billion — possibly making them the most expensive in US history, an industry group says.

The potentially record-setting insured losses piled up as the demonstrations sometimes descended into looting, arson and vandalism in more than 20 states across the country from May 26 to June 8, according to the Insurance Information Institute.

“It’s not just happening in one city or state — it’s all over the country,” Loretta L. Worters, a spokeswoman for the group,  told Axios , which first reported on the estimates Wednesday. “And this is still happening, so the losses could be significantly more.”

Maybe Democrats should remember all the inciting their politicians and talking heads have done?

Try to ignore the information coming out about Pelosi's role in fucking up security on Jan 6th. The Republicans already release a report blasting Pelosi, Bowser, and Schumer. The fired head of DC Security has a book out blaming Pelosi for "politicizing" DC security and hamstringing it's ability to do it's job. 

So celebrate Jan 6th while you can. The truth is coming out; and Democrats aren't going to like it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @4.2    3 weeks ago

As long as the "Lost Cause Jan 6th " deniers keep misrepresenting the truth I will treat them like the unpatriotic scum they are. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    3 weeks ago

Misrepresenting the truth.  And exactly what truth has been "misrepresented"?  Lets see your links.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ronin2 @4.2    3 weeks ago
The fired head of DC Security has a book out blaming Pelosi for "politicizing" DC security and hamstringing it's ability to do it's job. 

Which is covered:

Notice how the left is absent from trying to disprove ANY OF IT.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.2    3 weeks ago

get lost waste of time

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.4    3 weeks ago

Oh, what's wrong?  Can't back up your claims (AGAIN)?

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
4.2.6  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.5    3 weeks ago

Oh, that's cute.  You asking for someone to back up their claims when you can't answer a simple question.  jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @4.2    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.7    3 weeks ago

JEREMY ALSO, HE'S ON IGNORE.  BRINGS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THE TABLE LIKE THE MAJORITY OF HIS BUDDIES

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
4.2.9  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.8    3 weeks ago
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Greg Jones
Professor Guide
4.2.10  Greg Jones  replied to  Ronin2 @4.2    3 weeks ago
"Democrats celebrating their most beloved day Jan 6th. Oh the joy they feel! The elation they have".

It's a high holy day to them. They'll by commemorating it a decade from now.

They're milking this has baked riot and demonstration gone bad for all its worth.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.2.11  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2.10    3 weeks ago

Was it wrong for the Trump supporters to engage in an armed break-in of the Capitol and cause the disruption of Congress?

Do you believe that history will find this to be an insignificant, meaningless event?

In short, why would anyone NOT find the Jan 6th events (and the Big Lie campaign that precipitated it) to be distasteful and a stain on our nation?

 
 
 
Snuffy
PhD Guide
4.2.12  Snuffy  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2.10    3 weeks ago

They do need to fix Biden's cue cards however so he doesn't again confuse it with July 6th.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.2.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Snuffy @4.2.12    3 weeks ago

Well, it does scare the bejesus out of his handlers when he goes off script on the cue cards because they never know what will come out of his mouth!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @4.2.12    3 weeks ago

That's a moronic comment

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
5  Sean Treacy    3 weeks ago

Pelosi was the first speaker to not allow a single floor amendment from the opposition party.   She, with the help of her elected  mindless glasses of water, made the peoples house more anti democratic than it had ever been.   

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
5.1  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    3 weeks ago
Pelosi was the first speaker

In history to be so absolutely worthless that she lost the speakership twice.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @5.1    3 weeks ago

How many Speakers have that on their record?

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
5.1.2  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

Since 1900 Sam Rayburn, also a democrat lost it 3 times, 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @5.1.2    3 weeks ago

Ahh yes!

If she lives long enough she may have one more chance to tie the record

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Participates
5.1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.3    3 weeks ago
If she lives long enough she may have one more chance to tie the record

Bite your tongue! The woman has trouble keeping her dentures in her mouth!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.4    3 weeks ago

And it looks like she had trouble keeping a hatchet out of her face!

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
5.1.6  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.3    3 weeks ago

She should spend more time keeping male prostitutes away from Paul, Maybe that's wheyshe wants to be an ambassador?

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
5.1.7  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.3    3 weeks ago
If she lives long enough she may have one more chance to tie the record

Looks like Kevin is going for a baker's dozen.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @5.1.7    3 weeks ago

Yet all they have is deflecting to and pissing all over Nancy

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.1.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.5    3 weeks ago

Probably own stock in Botox!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    3 weeks ago

Can we ever forget the way she made her members walk the plank for Obamacare?

Many of them paid with their political careers.  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.3  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    3 weeks ago

the events between election day 11/20 to 1/6/21 -

made the peoples house more anti democratic than it had ever been

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @5.3    3 weeks ago

Nothing but endless lies and incitement and planning for the not yet failed coup on 1/6

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    3 weeks ago

Is this similar to Reagan's amnesty program?

Speaking of colossal horrors, one of those would be stephen miller, the anal warts on Satan's ass

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

Democratic governor sending migrants to NYC

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Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
7.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    3 weeks ago

And the little whining coward NYC Mayor crying "it's not fair".  Looks like NYC's declaration that it's a sanctuary city was merely virtue signaling that has been called out.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
7.1.1  independent Liberal  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1    3 weeks ago

Shipping people across the country? What does that say about us as people? We put so little value on the lives of these people we are ok allowing human beings to be transported across the country as cheap dime store political pawns?

It's disgusting and anyone that supports this is an inhuman, immoral pos!  A country of immigrants treating desperate people like animals. Wow this country is F'd because the warped minds of people that support things like this.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
7.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  independent Liberal @7.1.1    3 weeks ago

You obviously don't know the full background on the movement of illegals throughout the country.  I'll get you started.

Biden secretly flying underage migrants into NY in dead of night

NYC, Martha's Vineyard, Washington D.C., Chicago all declared themselves Sanctuary Cities, that they would welcome the "newcomers".  But when these "newcomers" arrived these "welcoming" shit holes reneged and the "newcomers" were shipped off to other locations for them to deal with.  

Texas, Colorado and Florida haven't tried to move anybody under the cover of darkness and in Florida's case, they have documents signed by the "migrants" stating that they boarded the buses by their own accord.  

You want me to feel sorry for them?  Not going to happen.  There is a process that should be followed.  They are sidestepping the process.  They are here ILLEGALLY and should be removed.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
8  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

The big item looming on the legislative agenda is raising the debt limit.  The fear is that McCarthy will cave.  We've already observed during the speaker fight that McCarthy will trade away everything for his own political benefit.  This isn't about 'The Party' any longer.  The Republican Party no longer has a policy agenda so factions are required to fight for their own cause -- screw 'The Party'.  The Republican Party trying to stand for everything only means the Republican Party stands for nothing.  It's every man for himself.  And Kevin McCarthy trying to serve himself won't unify Republicans.  McCarthy is a left coast Republican, after all.

Not even Reagan could unify the current Republican Party without a policy agenda.

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
9  Hallux    3 weeks ago

My X is coming by for lunch ... a good thing seeing that I need an extra pair of hands to count all the squirrels.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago
Canada to re-educate Jordan Peterson for ‘wrongthink’

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Hallux
Junior Principal
10.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @10    3 weeks ago

Why not use a Canadian source? This one could become one of your faves:

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @10.1    3 weeks ago

Great site. My computer almost crashed.

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
10.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.1    3 weeks ago

I'll say a prayer for it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @10.1.2    3 weeks ago

You're always trying to help!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @10    3 weeks ago

Do you also have a crush on Mr. Trudeau?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Participates
11  Jasper2529    3 weeks ago

Both Biden and KJP said that J6 was the worst attack on democracy since the Civil War.

Biden ... April, 2021 ...

KJP ... December, 2022 ...

They've obviously never learned about Pearl Harbor and September 11, 2001.

One more ...

Roy Lasley
Former Ssgt at  U.S. Air Force  (2004–2014) 1y
Originally Answered:   Was Jan. 6th the worst attack on our country since the civil war, some even carrying the confederate battle flag?
Simply no. There have been worse attacks on the US. In the grand scheme of things Jan 6th wasn't even a speed bump.

December 7th 1941 Japanese attack on Peral Harbor.

February 26, 1993 World Trade Center Bombing 6 Deaths 1,042 injured

April 19, 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing 168 Deaths

September 11, 2001 World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks 2,966 Deaths
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @11    3 weeks ago
Both Biden and KJP said that J6 was the worst attack on democracy since the Civil War.
They've obviously never learned about Pearl Harbor and September 11, 2001.

Those were attacks by foreign parties, as an act of war on our country, not the ideals of democracy. Sorry, but not the same thing.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
11.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    3 weeks ago

So you don't think that those attacks were indeed attacks on our democracy? Whether foreign parties or not? Sorry can't agree. Why else would they attack us? They didn't like us nor our principles and ideals. Our very fabric of existence.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
11.1.2  George  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.1    3 weeks ago

I'm still trying to figure out which foreign country attacked Oklahoma City.

I guess we need a better demonstration of what an attack on democracy is? Was the civil war an attack on democracy? they still had elections in the south. so was it a democracy attacking another democracy? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
11.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    3 weeks ago

Really? Were the Japanese a Democracy when they attacked Pearl Harbor? How about the countries the 9/11 terrorists were from; or Afghanistan where they were trained/organized? 

Don't remember Democrats saying the Oklahoma City bombing wasn't an attack on Democracy. That was done by Americans BTW. 

If things had gone their way would the US still be a Democracy today?

Love the hyperbole and drama from Democrats and leftists. Jan 6th was the first "insurrection" where the participants got bored and left for happy hour. 

Keep the Jan 6th dream alive! Maybe it will work again with voters in 2024. 

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
11.1.4  independent Liberal  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1.3    3 weeks ago

I remember when America rolled in to Iraq where no weapons of mass destruction were found. The Human cost in the region was abhorrent. 306,000 civilians were slaughtered. That's democracy right? The cost of it? The price for freedom?

America is not free, you are not free, we surrendered much of that. If you enter the capital building you are a terrorist and your due process is the last thing anyone cares about. The terrorist label killed 70,000 in Afghanistan and imprisoned thousands more most of whom were poor farmers. The laws during this time period have made us all potential terrorist suspects. At some point in the near future all of us may experience the impact of the legal changes during the War on Terror. It will one day be impossible to espouse opinions online without the threat of losing what little freedom you have left.

One thing is for certain, someone thinks each and every one of us is a terrorist and will be a willing participant cheering for their tribes actions as they persecute your thought crimes.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.1    3 weeks ago

Because they had the idea of splitting up the world between two powers. War by an outside party is a totally different thing than war within a country.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
11.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  independent Liberal @11.1.4    3 weeks ago
306,000 civilians were slaughtered

How many were killed by US forces and how many by terrorist's?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
11.1.7  afrayedknot  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    3 weeks ago

Three dates will live in infamy…December 7th, 9/11, and January 6th. Attacks all.

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
11.1.8  Hallux  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.1    3 weeks ago
Why else would they attack us?

As to the Japanese, it had to do with them securing oil and other resources ... the US had placed an economic embargo over Japan.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  George @11.1.2    3 weeks ago

Two nuts who were mad at the FBI for Waco and Ruby Ridge, went radical and decided to blow up an FBI building is hardly an attack on democracy. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Participates
11.1.10  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    3 weeks ago
Those were attacks by foreign parties, as an act of war on our country, not the ideals of democracy. Sorry, but not the same thing.

I see you ignored the 1995 Oklahoma attack I cited. It was a domestic terrorism attack on the "ideals of democracy". How quickly we forget.

Casualties

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
11.1.11  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  afrayedknot @11.1.7    3 weeks ago
Three dates will live in infamy, and January 6th

Apparently True "Infamy" doesn't mean what it used to mean anymore.

Jan 6th is already forgotten by "Normal" folks, except by the "media" and the "Sham Partisan Jan 6th Committee" !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1.3    3 weeks ago
Really? Were the Japanese a Democracy when they attacked Pearl Harbor?

No they weren't a democracy, but it really doesn't matter. It was a world war. The Japanese were at war for a different reason than Germany, and Russia was an ally of us. We're they a democracy? You can't compare a world war to an internal conflict.

How about the countries the 9/11 terrorists ....

So first of all, that is beyond personal to me, since it was not only an attack on my city, but I was actually there. Don't you think I might be invested in what happened there? Those people wanted us out of Afghanistan and out of the ME and our support of Israel which Bin Lenden spelled out in an official letter. He didn't give a damn about taking down our country. He was trying to take a dump on us so we would leave.

I already went over Oklahoma City.

Not recognizing what Jan 6 was is what keeps it alive. Personally, I would like to get past it and move on.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
11.1.13  independent Liberal  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @11.1.6    3 weeks ago

In Iraq? That number is from Iraq alone. It actually does not include people indirectly affected that died of a loss of infrastructure etc. Doctors without Borders estimates the number over 2 million.

I thought we were looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, what does that have to do with terrorism? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.1.10    3 weeks ago
Oklahoma City

I have already addressed it and if we want to quote wiki:

Motive [ edit ]

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McVeigh and Nichols cited the federal government's actions against the   Branch Davidian   compound in the 1993   Waco siege   (shown above) as a reason why they perpetrated the Oklahoma City bombing.

The chief conspirators, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, met in 1988 at   Fort Benning   during   basic training   for the U.S. Army. [17]   McVeigh met Michael Fortier as his Army roommate. [18]   The three shared interests in   survivalism . [19] [20]   McVeigh and Nichols were radicalized by white supremacist and antigovernment propaganda. [21]   They expressed anger at the federal government's handling of the 1992   Federal Bureau of Investigation   (FBI) standoff with   Randy Weaver   at   Ruby Ridge , as well as the   Waco siege , a 51-day standoff in 1993 between the FBI and   Branch Davidian   members that began with a botched   Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms   (ATF) attempt to execute a   search warrant . There was a firefight and ultimately a siege of the compound, resulting in the burning and shooting deaths of   David Koresh   and 75 others. [22]   In March 1993, McVeigh visited the Waco site during the standoff, and again after the siege ended. [23]   He later decided to bomb a federal building as a response to the raids and to protest what he believed to be US government efforts to restrict rights of private citizens, in particular those under the Second Amendment. [12] [24] [25] [26] [27]   McVeigh believed that federal agents were acting like soldiers, thus making an attack on a federal building an attack on their command centers. [28]

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
11.1.15  afrayedknot  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @11.1.11    3 weeks ago

“Jan 6th is already forgotten by "Normal" folks,”

Methinks you misquote “Normal” with the more appropriate ‘abnormal’…those sad individuals who forget the meaning of democracy and tacitly, ignorantly support its suppression. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
11.1.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hallux @11.1.8    3 weeks ago

We placed an embargo on Japan after they had attacked and taken Korea, Manchuria, were attacking strategic cities in China and was looking at Indochina.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    3 weeks ago

Pearl Harbor was not an attack on democracy. The japanese wanted a far east empire and the US , and Britain, would not allow it. They attacked the US in the hope of either winning a quick war or getting the US to back down on their opposition to Japanese territorial ambitions. 

Sep 11th was arguably an attack on democracy, Waco and Mc veigh are not. 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
11.1.18  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  afrayedknot @11.1.15    3 weeks ago
Methinks you misquote “Normal”

You'd be .. methinks .... Wrong !

"Democracy wasn't destroyed by Jan. 6th, as the Vote Counts for elections "After the Fact", surpassed even the "Media's Fake Suppression/Jim Crow 2.0" mis-information Crap !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.19  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.17    3 weeks ago
Sep 11th was arguably an attack on democracy

Not according to Bin Laden.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.20  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.17    3 weeks ago

The thing that made Jan 6th an attack on democracy was the nature of the intentions.  They wanted to subvert the keystone of democracy, the sanctity of the vote. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
11.1.21  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.20    3 weeks ago

They have to know that John. I gather they just don't care.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Participates
11.1.22  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.14    3 weeks ago

Your point?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
11.1.23  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @11.1.11    3 weeks ago
Apparently True "Infamy" doesn't mean what it used to mean anymore.

You know they will change the definitions to fit their narrative.  

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
11.1.24  afrayedknot  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @11.1.18    3 weeks ago

"Democracy wasn't destroyed by Jan. 6th, as the Vote Counts for elections "After the Fact", surpassed even the "Media's Fake Suppression/Jim Crow 2.0" mis-information Crap ! 

What?

[Deleted] relieve us from having to decipher such illiterate idiocy. 

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
11.1.25  Hallux  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @11.1.16    3 weeks ago
Indochina.

That 'skirmish' was all about rubber and synthetics still being several years away from mass production:

512

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.26  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.1.22    3 weeks ago

His purpose was not to destroy our democracy but for us to mind our own business. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
11.1.27  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  independent Liberal @11.1.13    3 weeks ago
In Iraq? That number is from Iraq alone.

Yes, and I asked how many were killed by US forces versus by other Iraqis or regional terrorists.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.28  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.1.23    3 weeks ago
Apparently True "Infamy" doesn't mean what it used to mean anymore. You know they will change the definitions to fit their narrative.  

First of all, all those events were infamous. What we are discussing is what was the purpose of them and that varies.

And what narrative? Facts are facts. What I read here is people trying to defend and act that should have never happened and the reason it happened is that those people wanted to stop the peaceful transfer of power, which indeed is a threat to our democracy. It is what has been going on since the country started and is a gift that our founding fathers gave us.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
11.1.29  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.28    3 weeks ago
he peaceful transfer of power, which indeed is a threat to our democracy.

Perpetrated by who?  There are conflicting versions of what happened that day.  Which one is "fact"?  

It is what has been going on since the country started and is a gift that our founding fathers gave us.

So keeping that in mind, it's suddenly a problem?  Or is it only a problem from a certain perspective?

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
11.1.30  George  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.9    3 weeks ago

Why? Because you say so? I’m not defending the Jan 6 attackers but they sure weren’t attacking democracy. The hyperbole around it is hysterical. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.31  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  George @11.1.30    3 weeks ago

Trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power, is an attack on democracy, as it undermines the whole premise of our elections. It is those who can't see it, that make this an endless issue.

And it's not because I say so. It's because it is a fact.

You might want to read this:

or this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_transition_of_power#:~:text=A%20peaceful%20transition%20or%20transfer,to%20a%20newly%2Delected%20leadership .

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
11.1.32  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  afrayedknot @11.1.24    3 weeks ago
relieve us from having to decipher such illiterate idiocy. 

"Mega Cancel Culture" member ?

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
11.1.33  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.1.23    3 weeks ago
You know they will change the definitions to fit their narrative.  

They ALWAYS do !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.34  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.1.29    3 weeks ago
Perpetrated by who?  There are conflicting versions of what happened that day.  Which one is "fact"?  

According to the police present. According to Pence. According to both Dems and Republicans there.

So keeping that in mind, it's suddenly a problem?  Or is it only a problem from a certain perspective?

The problem is that this should have never happened. That there was a plan to stop the peaceful transfer of power. The only perspective is what the nation witnessed that day. The problem is that there are some people who don't see this as a problem.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Participates
11.1.35  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.26    3 weeks ago

Oh, I see. Domestic terrorism perpetrated by Americans isn't threatening to democracy as international terrorism perpetrated by foreigners. SMH

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.36  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.1.35    3 weeks ago

Shake your head as much as you like, because it is obvious to me that you didn't read a word I said. The words to remember are purpose and motivation.

Anyway, this mincing of words is irrelevant. If you want to say that all those previous events threaten our democracy, fine with me. But we did it to ourselves on Jan 6.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Participates
11.1.37  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.36    3 weeks ago
But we did it to ourselves on Jan 6.

Don't put me in the same categories as you and others for what you did on J6. I was hundreds of miles away from DC on that date! Sheeeeesh!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.38  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.1.37    3 weeks ago

You are way too literal. I meant as a country. Sheeeesh. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Participates
11.1.39  Jasper2529  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.1.29    3 weeks ago
There are conflicting versions of what happened that day.  Which one is "fact"?  

True. We still don't have "facts" about ...

  1. Ray Epps, the self-proclaimed instigator (on video) of J6, that the FBI and Pelosi never investigated
  2. The pipe bombs
 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Participates
11.1.40  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.38    3 weeks ago
You are way too literal.

No, Perrie.You said "we" in comment 11.1.36 . By using that pronoun , you led readers to believe that you included yourself. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.41  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.1.40    3 weeks ago

Again, that is too literal and I am not falling into that trap with you.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.42  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.1.40    3 weeks ago
By using that pronoun, you led readers to believe that you included yourself. 

Feel free to stop making a fool out of yourself at any time. "We" is a perfectly appropriate way for an individual to describe actions of their countrymen. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.43  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.1.39    3 weeks ago
Ray Epps, the self-proclaimed instigator (on video) of J6, that the FBI and Pelosi never investigated

This is borderline insanity. Even if, for no good reason, we stipulate that "Ray Epps" instigated something, so what? Did he instigate the Proud boys? Did he instigate the Oath Keepers? Did he instigate the white supremacists?  Are you claiming that without Ray Epps the insurrection would not have occurred ? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.44  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    3 weeks ago

Well how about these attacks?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.45  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.43    3 weeks ago

Where were you during the late 60's/early 70's?

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"Early 1971 was a time of heightened tension in Washington, D.C. Police are shown trying to remove protesters on May 1, 1971, at a massive rally that occurred just weeks after a bomb was planted in a washroom below the Senate chamber.  (Michael Ochs Archives/Getty Images)"


How come nothing was done about that?

Aren't those young radicals the same people holding complete power today?

 
 
 
Gazoo
Sophomore Silent
11.1.46  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.43    3 weeks ago

Epps did more, way more to instigate the  so called “insurrection” than trump did. And all you can say about that is a limp noodle “so what”pathetic.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.47  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.12    3 weeks ago

Once trump and all those responsible for 1/6 including fake electors are held accountable/behind bars and then I would be glad 'to get past it and move along' - EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM INCLUDING THE INCITER IN CHIEF

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
11.1.48  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.44    3 weeks ago

You get one more link to CBC after which Canadian conservatives will condemn you as being a far left troll.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.49  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @11.1.15    3 weeks ago

HOW COULD ONE FORGET 1/6 AND IF SO, WHY ARE THEY COMMENTING ABOUT IT???????????

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.50  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.1.22    3 weeks ago

Your point?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.51  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @11.1.24    3 weeks ago

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.52  Tessylo  replied to  George @11.1.30    3 weeks ago

BECAUSE IT IS THE TRUTH, THAT'S WHYjrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.53  Tessylo  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @11.1.32    3 weeks ago

Do you even know what cancel culture, woke, SJW, etc., even mean?

Please tell us

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.54  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.42    3 weeks ago

Some folks do nothing but deflect among other things

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
11.1.55  Greg Jones  replied to  afrayedknot @11.1.7    3 weeks ago
"Three dates will live in infamy…December 7th, 9/11, and January 6th."

Not the last one....not even close. Get real.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
11.1.56  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.49    3 weeks ago

What's so special about January 6. It was a demonstration that got of hand because of a handful of radical right morons.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
11.1.57  afrayedknot  replied to  Greg Jones @11.1.56    3 weeks ago

“…a handful of radical right morons.”

…thousands goaded into action to intervene in one of our most precious of birthrights…the peaceful, repeat peaceful, transition of power. And goaded into action by the sitting President who indubitably lost the election. 

So yes, it is a day that will indeed live in infamy. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
PhD Guide
11.1.58  Snuffy  replied to  George @11.1.30    3 weeks ago

The phrase "attacking democracy" is a nice sound bite and I'm sure the majority of those protesting at the Capital on Jan 6th felt they were defending democracy from the evil bastards on the left who stole the election.  Personally I really don't care what it's called.  Those to entered the Capital were very wrong to do so.  While there are some who planned on attacking the Capital I feel confident that there were many stupid people who just got caught up with the riot and entered the Capital without any real thought or plan.  I base this on the simple fact that for the number of people who entered the Capital there was relatively little damage.

Those who entered the Capital are paying for their actions and the investigations continue as well as legal proceedings.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.59  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @11.1.56    3 weeks ago
What's so special about January 6.

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This is the first time in US history that a mob (thousands of people) rioted the Capitol (that includes its grounds) where hundreds of same engaged in violence to disrupt the proceedings of Congress.

The mob responded to the claims by the sitting PotUS who, for the first time in US history, bucked the peaceful transition and attempted through lies, coercion, subornation, and general abuse of the authority of the office of PotUS, to steal a US election.

That alone should illustrate why this event is historically significant (and 'special').    

My question is why this need even be illustrated.    Is it not obvious to everyone why Jan 6, 2021 is historically significant to the USA?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.60  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.44    3 weeks ago

So I had to check out these events on the captial.

The first one was: Eric Muenter  (March 25, 1871 – July 6, 1915), also known as  Erich Münter Erich Muenter Erich Holt  or  Frank Holt , was a German-American activist and would-be  assassin . Although employed as a German professor at elite American universities, he was actually a spy and a "fanatic in the clandestine service of the Imperial German government." [1]  

He was German, acting out on behalf of Germany who we were heading into war with. I would classify this as an act of war.

The Puerto Rican nationalist attack is a gray area, since whether they like it or not, Puerto Rico is part of the US, and therefore, it was an attack on the country. The reason it's not quite the same as Jan 6, is that they were not trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power, but rather be rid of the US. It could be considered a civil war in a way.

The bombing in Laos had nada to do with anything about our democracy other than wanting us out.

The 1983 bombing of the senate by the Armed Resistance Unit was an attack on an institution they felt were too involved in Lebanon and Grenada.  

There is really nothing close in our history to what happened on Jan 6.

Only England has any equivalent. Guy Faulks and his gang did try to take down Parlement, but as an institution and as an actual building. If you are talking about a threat to democracy, you have to look at what they were hoping to achieve.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.61  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.60    3 weeks ago
There is really nothing close in our history to what happened on Jan 6.

Exactly.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
11.1.62  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.60    3 weeks ago
really nothing close in our history to what happened on Jan 6.

Well sure. When you define something so narrowly that's going to happen. If the only way you can "attack democracy" is to participate in a riot on the exact day the election is certified, than sure, Jan 6th is unique.  But there have been countless (actually deadly) attacks in our history trying to subvert Democracy.  

. hell, one of my ancestors (a Chicago cop) was arrested after a riot at the polling place as part of a democratic plot using Chicago police to keep Republicans from voting in the 1880 Presidential election.  Somehow the Republic survived and it was immediately forgotten about.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1.63  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @11.1.58    3 weeks ago

No one should have been there on Jan 6th.  There was no actual basis for a so called protest. The "stolen election" was a figment of Trumps evil scheming, and nothing more. Donald Trump was going to do what he did , period, if he lost. He was going to do it in 2016 if he had lost, but didnt have to. The gullibility of MAGA is off the charts. 

No one had a legitimate cause to be at the Capitol Building "protesting" that day. No one. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.64  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.62    3 weeks ago

Sean,

The civil war was an attack on our democracy. The decision was after that period, and since then, nothing much has.

Of course, if someone tries to blow up our government in progress, that would be an attack on our gov.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
11.1.65  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.64    3 weeks ago
The decision was after that period, and since then, nothing much has.

I'm sure all the people murdered in the 1876 election, for instance, would disagree with that. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.66  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.65    3 weeks ago

Again, that had to do with the Civil war and of course racism.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
11.1.67  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.66    3 weeks ago
, that had to do with the Civil war and of course racism.

Well no, the Civil War ended in 1865.  But that's my point, you just keep excluding all other "attacks on democracy" for one reason or another, then yes, of course, the riot on Jan 6th is "unique".  Everything is unique when you pile qualification upon qualification.  but sure, no other riot occurred on the capitol grounds, on Jan 6th, when it was 40 degrees outside and partly cloudy. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.68  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.60    3 weeks ago
There is really nothing close in our history to what happened on Jan 6.

If it was such a stand alone egregious event, then why do democrats blatantly lie about the event?

For example Hakim Jeffries spoke at the memorial and claimed that 5 Police officers lost their lives during the event. (The only person who was killed was an unarmed civilian.) Check out 3:30 of the video:

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
11.1.69  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.53    3 weeks ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.70  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.68    3 weeks ago
If it was such a stand alone egregious event, then why do democrats blatantly lie about the event?

Partisans lie, Vic.   They push reality past the extremes in pursuit of partisan advantage.

The fact that partisans engage in lies (and exaggerations) does not change the reality of Jan 6th (and the context under which it happened ... the Big Lie).

Why do you try to downplay the significance of Jan 6th?   Just blows my mind how people continue to defend Trump instead of standing up and noting (and condemning) the wrongdoing of Trump and make the statement that this should never happen again in our system.

SMH

 
 
 
Snuffy
PhD Guide
11.1.71  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.63    3 weeks ago
No one should have been there on Jan 6th.  There was no actual basis for a so called protest.

You didn't say the same thing about all the people who were in Washington protesting on Jan 20th, 2017 now did you. 

You don't get to decide for people if they have a reason to protest or not, it's not your decision to make.  You can only put out your opinion and after your several hundred "I Hate Trump" seeds everybody knows your opinion. 

If you want to do away with the First Amendment (Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the  thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.) there is a process to do so.  I doubt that any such Constitutional amendment would pass however so if  you really want to live where people cannot decide for themselves if they have something to protest about then I suggest maybe you should move to North Korea.  Then you won't need to worry about what reasons people may have to assemble to protest as it will be officially spelled out by the government.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.72  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.68    3 weeks ago

He said and I quote:

"As a result of what happened on Jan 6th lives of 5 heroic officers were loss."

He didn't say they were killed on that day. They committed suicide from what happened that day.

I just watched a blow-by-blow event of what those officers endured. I honestly don't know how any law abiding citizen could ever say that what happened on that day was anything less than an attack on our government, and the buildings it represents.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.73  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.67    3 weeks ago
Well no, the Civil War ended in 1865.  But that's my point, you just keep excluding all other "attacks on democracy" for one reason or another, then yes, of course, the riot on Jan 6th is "unique". 

Sean,

You can look at 20 different murders, and see that courts gave out different sentences.The reason for that is that they look at the intent, and the actions taken that caused those murders. 

Not all attacks on Gov buildings are for the same reason. I gave you one that was equal but not here, but in England, when Guy Faulks tried to take down Parlement.

I'm sorry that you don't look at the motivations, but I do. That takes more effort.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.74  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.72    3 weeks ago
"As a result of what happened on Jan 6th lives of 5 heroic officers were loss."

Officer Sicknick, who has been memorialized by Pelosi & co was found to have died from natural causes.  Can you tell us who the other 4 were and how their deaths were related to the Jan 6 riot? Sorry, but all those who mention them have never explained. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.75  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.70    3 weeks ago
Why do you try to downplay the significance of Jan 6th?

Because it has been used politically.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11.1.76  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.75    3 weeks ago

Are you kidding? Trump is running again!

Yes! It is political! Trump caused Jan 6th!

I hear you. You want us to forget about it.

original

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.77  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @11.1.76    3 weeks ago

And how many democrats will once agian be voting for him in open primaries?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11.1.78  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.77    3 weeks ago

I do not know. NY is not an open primary state. But, we can still donate to Trump!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.79  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @11.1.78    3 weeks ago

So we can forget about an indictment?

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
11.1.80  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.61    3 weeks ago

The Civil War ring a bell?

Damn, didn't even have to dig for that one.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11.1.81  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.79    3 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.82  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.75    3 weeks ago

So you intentionally present Jan 6th as less significant than it actually was (the meaning of downplay) because of partisan reasons.

Too bad so many refuse to work with plain truth instead of constantly twisting and 'downplaying' reality to suit their partisan desires.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.83  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.77    3 weeks ago

Makes sense to me that a D would vote for Trump in an open primary.   Do you blame them?   Trump is a near guarantee win for the Ds.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.83  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.74    3 weeks ago

Come on Vic, these 4 officers committed suicide within a few months talked about their trauma from that day. Police officers don't do that from one precinct for no reason. 

As for Officer Sicknick, the death was ruled natural death from stroke, but this man endured being sprayed with an unknown chemical, sustained injuries during the attack, and then collapsed. Do you think that would have happened under any other circumstances?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.84  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1.80    3 weeks ago

Pay attention, Ronin, we were talking about attacks on the Capitol, not any event in American history.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.85  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1.80    3 weeks ago

Are you kidding? You might want to read up this thread. The Civil War was mentioned many times.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.86  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.83    3 weeks ago

It can be argued that as many police officers die from suicide as in the line of duty. In none of the 5 cases is there a direct link to Jan 6th.

You did have one person killed on that day and Jeffries did not mention her.

I think it is disgusting the way democrats have used Jan 6th.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.87  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.84    3 weeks ago

Don't be insulting.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.88  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.87    3 weeks ago

Does the US civil war have anything whatsoever to do with the question of attacks on the Capitol building?

NOTE:

Greg Jones @ 11.1.56 What's so special about January 6.
TiG @11.1.59This is the first time in US history that a mob (thousands of people) rioted the Capitol (that includes its grounds) where hundreds of same engaged in violence to disrupt the proceedings of Congress.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.89  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.88    3 weeks ago

According to Joe Biden:  "the Capitol riot on Jan. 6 as the worst attack on the U.S. since the Civil War."




Joe has linked them.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
11.1.90  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.86    3 weeks ago
It can be argued that as many police officers die from suicide as in the line of duty

I think that two of the four suicides as well as Officer Sicknick's death have been found to be 'in the line of duty',

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.91  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.89    3 weeks ago

You bring in a quote from an entirely different context to 'link' concepts in a thread within a forum???

Now that is quite a creative poor tactic.

What is so special about Jan 6th, Vic?    You can read my answer to Greg's question @11.1.88.   

What is your answer?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.92  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @11.1.90    3 weeks ago

By whom?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.93  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.91    3 weeks ago
What is so special about Jan 6th, Vic?

It has become a political weapon of the left, celebrated two days ago with speeches and bells ringing.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.94  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.86    3 weeks ago

Obviously you have never watched what happened to these officers before backup came. And frankly, after watching it, I think they showed great restraint considering what the mob was doing to them.

And why would Jeffries mention someone who would have been arrested, had she not been killed. She had no business being where she was. Since when do we honor criminals?

I think it is disgusting the way democrats have used Jan 6th.

And I think it's disgusting the way that Republicans backtracked on their initial reaction that day, because they felt it was bad for their party. And that is why there was no red wave. Because the party loyal will not acknowledge those events. Independents traditionally vote for the opposite party in power in midterms and this time they didn't and there is the reason why.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.95  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.93    3 weeks ago

That is what makes the day special ... that it has been weaponized by your political adversaries???

That is more important to you than the fact that   it was the first time in US history that a mob (thousands of people) rioted the Capitol (that includes its grounds) where hundreds of same engaged in violence to disrupt the proceedings of Congress ?

Partisans  jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.96  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.94    3 weeks ago
And I think it's disgusting the way that Republicans backtracked on their initial reaction that day, because they felt it was bad for their party.

Indeed ... and still do.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.97  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.94    3 weeks ago
Independents traditionally vote for the opposite party in power in midterms and this time they didn't and there is the reason why.

Really?

Whenever you put gas in your car or buy groceries or pay an electric bill it should become clear who you voted against.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.98  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.95    3 weeks ago

I'm surprised you didn't notice the word I used in Post 11.1.93

I didn't say democrats commemorated that day. Notice I said they celebrated it!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
11.1.99  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.94    3 weeks ago
I think they showed great restraint considering what the mob was doing to them.

I thought the same as I've watched the videos.  There easily could have been a lot more than one killed that day.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.100  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.68    3 weeks ago

His lies and all the other republican/gqp lies about 1/6 have been relentless

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.101  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.77    3 weeks ago

ZERO

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.102  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.100    3 weeks ago

They lied about the Jan 6th riot?

How so?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.103  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.101    3 weeks ago
ZERO

Oh, that's a relief.  I only have your word though.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.104  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.102    3 weeks ago

You never answer my questions.  Why do you think I would answer yours?  jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.105  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.104    3 weeks ago
You never answer my questions.  Why do you think I would answer yours?

It sounds familiar. Tell her we miss her.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.106  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.98    3 weeks ago

They did not celebrate it - they memorialized/commemorated NEVER FORGET WHAT TRUMPTURD AND HIS ENABLERS/SUPPORTERS/FEELLOW  PLANNERS  ARE CAPABLE OF

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.107  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.106    3 weeks ago

You can't just keep making claims without supporting them.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11.1.108  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.107    3 weeks ago
You can't just keep making claims without supporting them.

if it's a contest, some traitorous fraud in florida already has a 27 month head start... 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.109  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.107    3 weeks ago

That would be you vic, your usual PP&D

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.110  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.103    3 weeks ago

My word is worth it's weight in gold

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.111  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.98    3 weeks ago

I read your comment correctly.   What makes you think my reply was based on a commemoration (I did not use that word)?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
11.1.112  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.75    3 weeks ago
Because it has been used politically.

Like Benghazi ten times? Like the Keystone XL phase 4 pipeline cancelled 4 times now? Like Hillary's Blackberry and server? Like Nixon's and Agnew's tax evasion?

Like the diaries and laptops of a person's family?

You yourself use things politically multiple times a week.

SMH

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.113  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.105    3 weeks ago

Just as predicted, no answer - just the predicted deflection and some cryptic comment which only makes sense to the gqp

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.114  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.107    3 weeks ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1.115  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.97    3 weeks ago
Whenever you put gas in your car or buy groceries or pay an electric bill it should become clear who you voted against.

Gas prices have gone down. Food prices are up worldwide as is electricity. I am aware of what I did. How about women's rights are in danger, bump stocks are now OK, etc. 

But more importantly, people want bipartisanship and if what we just saw with the election of the speaker is that your party is being hijacked by extremists. That is a very sad thing, for those of us who would like more moderation.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
11.1.116  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.98    3 weeks ago
I didn't say democrats commemorated that day. Notice I said they celebrated it!

Wrong again, not surprised.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.117  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @11.1.112    3 weeks ago

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Jasper2529
Professor Participates
11.1.118  Jasper2529  replied to  Split Personality @11.1.116    3 weeks ago
Wrong again, not surprised.

--------------------

Inaccurate comment. Not surprised.

It has become a political weapon of the left, celebrated two days ago with speeches and bells ringing.

11.1.93

celebrate  verb

1 to perform (a sacrament or solemn ceremony) publicly and with appropriate rites
2a to honor (an occasion, such as a holiday) especially by solemn ceremonies or by refraining from ordinary business
2b to mark (something, such as an anniversary) by festivities or other deviation from routine
3 : to hold up or play up for public notice

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.119  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.115    3 weeks ago
But more importantly, people want bipartisanship ...

Or possibly, people want government that actually works for their best interests rather than the political and personal interests of parties and politicians.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
11.1.120  Split Personality  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.1.118    3 weeks ago
Inaccurate comment. Not surprised.

Then stop making them and supporting others who do.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
11.1.121  Split Personality  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.1.118    3 weeks ago

I am sure you don't really believe Vic meant celebrating like Catholics celebrate Mass

or Jews celebrate a person's life while sitting shiva, do you?

I think he meant celebrating like celebrating New Years or winning the lottery,

otherwise it's not a "political weapon" is it?

Damn that pesky English language.

cel·e·brate
[ˈseləˌbrāt]
VERB
  1. acknowledge (a significant or happy day or event) with a social gathering or enjoyable activity:
    "they were celebrating their wedding anniversary at a restaurant" · "she celebrated with a glass of champagne"
  2. perform (a religious ceremony) publicly and duly, in particular officiate at (the Eucharist):
    "he celebrated holy communion"
    SIMILAR:
    officiate at
    preside at
    ceremonialize
  3. honor or praise publicly:
    "a film celebrating the actor's career"

Do you really think Vic was mocking a solemn event?

512

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.122  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.115    3 weeks ago
How about women's rights are in danger,

In the state of New York they are set in stone, as well as many other states. Whether it's left to the states individually or the Federal government the people will get to choose. Are you against that?


But more importantly, people want bipartisanship

According to the midterm elections, the people want it just barely.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.123  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @11.1.121    3 weeks ago
But more importantly, people want bipartisanship

And you are going to pretend that Pelosi & co aren't glad that it happened?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
11.1.124  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.123    3 weeks ago

Pretend?

People have to be 100% twisted to believe that anyone wanted 01/06 to happen

or that a sitting, pouting POTUS would do nothing but "celebrate" the riot from the WH

for 3 or 4 hours.

His lament? The SS wouldn't take him there.

Pelosi?  Everyone should have been equally saddened by the whole incident.

Well, Americans anyway.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.125  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @11.1.124    3 weeks ago
People have to be 100% twisted to believe that anyone wanted 01/06 to happen

Then I must be twisted because you see, the left has exploited the tragedy beyond reason.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
11.1.126  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.125    3 weeks ago

“…the left has exploited the tragedy beyond reason.”

At least you acknowledge the tragedy.

The only exploitation comes from those whom continue to ignore the events leading up to that tragic day, those whom remarkably blame the outcome on those sworn to protect the process, and those, whom to this day, continue to politicize it sans any semblance of understanding as to the dangers they blindly defend. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
11.1.127  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.125    3 weeks ago
Then I must be twisted

No comment.

because you see, the left has exploited the tragedy beyond reason

Just another opinion, congratulations.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.128  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @11.1.126    3 weeks ago
At least you acknowledge the tragedy.

According to Joe Biden it was worse than Pearl Harbor or 9/11.


whom to this day, continue to politicize it 

Please think about that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.129  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @11.1.127    3 weeks ago
Just another opinion

An obvious conclusion.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
11.1.130  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.129    3 weeks ago

Many people shared the same conclusion about the 10 Beghazi hearings which McCarthy admitted were a political attack on HRC.

The last six were by committees of the Republican controlled House.

All 10 failed to bring charges against Clinton.

At that time you acted like Benghazi was worse than Pearl Harbor.

Spare us the drama.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.131  Tessylo  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @11.1.69    3 weeks ago

I'm sick of that taunt that you have copied from some of your little buddies.  Of course, nothing will be done about it, usually never is

Also, that's just your excuse for not knowing the truth of your allegations, like usual, you don't have/know the answer, just trying to impress those little buddies of yours

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
11.1.132  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.131    2 weeks ago
I'm sick of that taunt that you have copied....

.......From You, that is !

Stop being so loud about "NOT READING" !

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Ronin2
Professor Quiet
11.2  Ronin2  replied to  Jasper2529 @11    3 weeks ago

Democrats need to relearn history (not the demented CRT garbage they are pushing) and STFU.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Ronin2 @11.2    3 weeks ago

... save the republican version of US history for comedy night.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
11.2.2  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  devangelical @11.2.1    3 weeks ago
... save the republican version of US history for comedy night.

Dave Chappelle type comedy ?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
11.2.3  Ender  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @11.2.2    3 weeks ago

Just watch the opening monologues of Jimmy Kimmel. 

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
11.2.4  George  replied to  Ender @11.2.3    3 weeks ago

You get your talking points from a comedian?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
11.2.5  Ender  replied to  George @11.2.4    3 weeks ago

I get my talking points from me. But do watch him sometime. You might see what a lot of people think about some of these republicans.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
11.2.6  George  replied to  Ender @11.2.5    3 weeks ago

I think they are all for the most part clowns, Florida is insane for sending a tool like Mat Gaetz to Congress. And Georgia keeps sending the idiot who thought Guam might tip over back.

I never understand why anybody thinks there is anything special about someone who simply won a popularity contest against someone equally as bad.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
11.2.7  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Ender @11.2.3    3 weeks ago
Just watch the opening monologues of Jimmy Kimmel. 

aaaaa..... The place to get your "REAL News" !  jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
11.2.8  Ender  replied to  George @11.2.6    3 weeks ago

On that we can agree.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
11.2.9  Ender  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @11.2.7    3 weeks ago

He can actually be quite comical. I think it was last night they had a segment about how easy it is to scam people. Some people let a guy on the street scan their credit cards....

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
11.2.10  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Ender @11.2.9    3 weeks ago
Some people let a guy on the street scan their credit cards....

I've always said it would be best to... "Take the warning labels off of everything, and let life work itself out" !

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Participates
11.2.11  Jasper2529  replied to  Ronin2 @11.2    3 weeks ago
Democrats need to relearn history (not the demented CRT garbage they are pushing) and STFU.

I've found it stunning that the left actually believes that rewriting history and brainwashing vulnerable people is a good thing for our nation.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.2.11    3 weeks ago

Is projection and mis/disinformation all that you and ronin have?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @11.2    3 weeks ago

"Nationalists Lolita Lebrón, Irvin Flores Rodríguez, Rafael Cancel Miranda and Andres Figueroa Cordero, carried out their attack in D.C., on March 1, 1954, from the gallery of the House of Representatives, where members were debating a bill concerning migrant Mexican workers."

rafael-cancel-miranda-obit.jpg


 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  George @11.2.4    3 weeks ago

We get the actual truth from these folks who also happen to be hosts of TV shows, actors, comedians, people from all walks of life and then use the truth/facts to form our own conclusions/opinions

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.2.15  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @11.2.12    3 weeks ago

and vic?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  George @11.2.4    3 weeks ago
You get your talking points from a comedian?

Some leftists get their news from comedians!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
12  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

Under current economic conditions the jobless rate isn't very informative by itself.  It's also necessary to look at the labor participation rate.  Labor participation declined significantly during the pandemic (for obvious reasons) and hasn't recovered.  At present there really does appear to be a 'black market' for labor that isn't being captured by the traditional employment statistics. 

IMO retirement doesn't explain the persistent decline in labor participation.  People surely didn't retire to increase their income; although retirees may experience an increase in disposable income.  Some of what is being observed may be due to recognition that loss of net income doesn't necessarily mean a loss of disposable income.

The job statistics are a holdover from when the United States was a manufacturing economy.  While it's far too early to draw any conclusions, there is sufficient information to support speculation that the US economy is transitioning toward a 'cottage industry' model.  And the old industrial methods of measuring jobs and income won't work well for a 'cottage industry' model.  

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
13  George    3 weeks ago

What I find amazing is  a lot of the lefts selective outrage about Jan 6 after supporting the riots all year.

a group of liberal fucktards grabbed a piece of liberal cities and declared independent nations. They patrolled their borders and refused to allow authorities to enter and not 1 insurrection charge, but let 1 guy wearing a Buffalo costume scare the pussies in Congress and they lose their minds.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
13.1  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  George @13    3 weeks ago

No one I know supported riots.  They supported the actual protests and protestors.  Again, with the histrionics and hyperbole from the right.  

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
13.1.1  George  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @13.1    3 weeks ago

Did they not declare themselves independent nations? 

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
13.1.2  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  George @13.1.1    3 weeks ago

Where did I say anything about them declaring themselves "independent nations"?  Hint:  I didn't.  I refuted your point about the "lefts selective outrage about Jan 6 after supporting the riots all year". No one supported the riots, they supported the real protestors and legitimate protests not the rioters or riots.  

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
13.1.3  George  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @13.1.2    3 weeks ago

And conservatives supported all the peaceful parts of Jan 6, even when the cowardly piece of crap shot an unarmed woman.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
13.1.4  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  George @13.1.3    3 weeks ago

Again with the hyperbole and histrionics from you.   That traitor got what she deserved.  You don't enter a locked and barricaded room with armed guards on the other side of it.  Her own actions got her killed.   

And, yes, there were some peaceful protestors, they were the ones that didn't enter the Capitol and the ones who didn't construct gallows outside of the Capitol.  

Conservatives also support the people that illegally entered the Capitol that day and the traitor that caused her own demise.  All it takes is for you to actually read the comments here to see that.  

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
13.1.5  George  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @13.1.4    3 weeks ago

She was unarmed, he is a cowardly piece of crap that bears no resemblance to an actual man.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
13.1.6  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  George @13.1.5    3 weeks ago

She should have complied, and she shouldn't have tried to break into the chambers.  She caused her own death, but thanks for telling us that you support a traitor.  

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
13.1.7  George  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @13.1.6    3 weeks ago

I never said I supported her or her actions, I simply stated the undisputed fact that he is a coward. He lacks integrity and honor.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
13.1.8  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  George @13.1.7    3 weeks ago

Your comments say differently.  You support a fucking traitor by trying to denigrate the officer who shot her and you seem to support everyone who entered the Capitol with your comment about "1 guy wearing a Bufffalo costume".  Your comments speak for themselves.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
13.1.9  Greg Jones  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @13.1.8    3 weeks ago

So all demonstrators and protestors are traitors? You don't seem to have a clue as what a "traitor" really is.

She was unarmed, climbing through a broken window, no warning was given, and she was no immediate threat to the cowardly cop.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
13.1.10  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Greg Jones @13.1.9    3 weeks ago
So all demonstrators and protestors are traitors? 

I never said that either. Your reading comprehension need a lot of work. Never ever put words in my mouth. You're not even close to qualified to do so. 

Babbit caused her own death, but thanks for telling everyone that you're another one who supports a traitor trying to break into chambers. Not to mention the fact that the chamber doors were locked and barricaded which is a clear sign that no one should attempt to enter.  By breaking a window and crawling through it, she sealed her own fate. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
13.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  George @13    3 weeks ago

Most people didn't support the riots or what happened in Washington and Oregon. 

And it was not one guy in a Buffalo costume and you know it. It was a well planned attack by a group of people trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power. If Al Gore did this, you would have been all over the guy, and rightfully so.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
13.2.1  George  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.2    3 weeks ago

Bullshit! Absolutely partisan bullshit and you have no idea how I would react if Gore did this! The absolute BS that you just pulled explains a lot.

you as the owner sets the tone, so telling me what I think explains TiG perfectly! He pulls that same BS because he knows he can get away with it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
13.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  George @13.2.1    3 weeks ago

Let me get this straight. If a bunch of people did the exact same thing for Gore, you would have been fine with it. Yet you are complaining about what happened in Washington and Oregon. There is the BS, plainly exposed. 

And as the site owner, I am allowed to have an opinion, like everyone else here. The fact that I let you talk to me in that tone, shows that I am on the up and up with everyone here.

And the 3 of you who upvoted that comment, well, I have to say I have a different opinion of you now, in regard to our relationship.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
13.2.3  George  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.2.2    3 weeks ago

There you go, veiled threats, I’m watching who is up voting comments. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
13.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  George @13.2.3    3 weeks ago

How is that a veiled threat? I said what I feel. That is really clear. If they can upvote insults to me I can have feelings about it. Did you actually think that people don't look at upvoting? Give me a break.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
13.2.5  George  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.2.4    3 weeks ago

I don’t, so once again you have gotten wrong what I think and or do.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
13.2.6  afrayedknot  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.2.4    3 weeks ago

“Did you actually think that people don't look at upvoting?”

So many wing men…so quick to condemn, so little to contribute. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
13.2.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  George @13.2.5    3 weeks ago
I don’t, so once again you have gotten wrong what I think and or do.

Since this is going meta, please read my private note to you.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
13.2.8  Ronin2  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.2    3 weeks ago
It was a well planned attack by a group of people trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

Please tell us all what was "well planned" about it? Name one damn thing? Did they manage to capture one politician? Did they secure the capital building? Did they set up barricades to stop the riot squad and national guard from moving in? Did they manage to foment insurgents from all across the country to rise up in rebellion? Did they even have firearms available? The answer to all that is no.

They couldn't even get enough of the protestors to join them to overwhelm the shitty security Pelosi and Co had in place. If they had even gotten half of those that attended the Jan 6th rally to join in the results may have been different.

The vast majority of rioters were too busy showing off taking self incriminating selfies. Or showing off for reporters (unlike Antifa and BLM who attacked them).

Or slow chasing a slow walking security guard. Just how stupid were they? They had the numbers to easily overwhelm the guy; but instead allow him to push them around, argue with him, and lead them away from the very place they are supposed to be capturing. So stupid it is comical. Definitely well planned and organized. There were more rioters recording the event than pursuing.

How about making sure to stay between the tether ropes set up by security when passing through the gallery? Ushered into the entrance by DC security; and right out the exit. Still charged with "parading".

This was a riot. The fact that Democrats, their shills in the media, and their lemming followers have been allowed to turn this into anything else after coddling the Summer of Love rioters is the height of hypocrisy.

 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @13.2.8    3 weeks ago

You're not helping your case.

Your denial is desperate, pathetic, and deplorable

It was more than a 'riot' it was a planned, incited, failed insurrection, planned on the inside (trunpturd, fake electors, etc,) and outside with white nationalist/supremacist scum

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @13.2.8    3 weeks ago

Also your usual PP&D regarding the protests (summer of love as morons refer to it) and any looters, rioters, or arsonists were not legitimate protesters - mostly right wing plants and criminals (same difference)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13.2.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @13.2.8    3 weeks ago

The ENTIRE purpose of Jan 6 was to keep the electoral count from occurring. It was the purpose of Trump in everything he did and said leading up to and on that day, and it was the purpose of the 50,000 or whatever number it was that gathered at the Capitol Building. Of course the mob INTENDED to enter the Capitol Building and confront the legislators who would be voting to accept the electoral count. That is the only reason they were there. Of course they didnt all enter, there wasnt room inside for all of them, and many of them got cold feet anyway. That doesnt change what they wanted to do. 

Ashley Babbitt was stopped 25 feet from the floor of the House of Representatives. What if she hadnt been stopped, if there was no armed cop at that door? What if she and the ret of the mob got into the House, and the members were still there?  What would Babbitt have done, said lets everyone hold hands and pray? Perhaps she would have "just" got in their faces and screamed at them to stop counting the votes, and perhaps she would have physically attacked someone. The same for the rest of the mob. They were not there for peaceful protest. Peaceful protest is not breaking out windows and doors and going past barricades. 

The idea that the only purpose of Jan 6 was peaceful protest that got out of hand is nonsense. 

What were they supposed to be protesting by the way? Some garbage that their hero Trump concocted out of thin air? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13.2.12  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @13.2.11    3 weeks ago

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That doorway is within spitting distance of where Ashley Babbitt was shot. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
13.2.13  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @13.2.8    3 weeks ago

Why do you defend the insurrectionists and Trump?   

Was it wrong for Trump supporters to break and enter the Capitol building to disrupt the proceedings of Congress?

Was it wrong for Trump to watch this occur and not do anything to curtail the violence for three hours (he even threw Pence under the bus via a tweet halfway through the insurrection)?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
13.2.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @13.2.12    3 weeks ago

I believe that Officer Byrd had no choice but to shoot and may have well saved lives.  Babbitt's anger issues and conspiracy beliefs got her killed.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.2.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @13.2.14    3 weeks ago

He later admitted that he had no idea if she even had a weapon

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13.2.16  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.2.15    3 weeks ago

So what? She was attempting to put the lives of US congresspeople in danger. Period. That is all the justification he needed. 

The idea that its ok to break down doors and windows and enter the US Congress that way is "ok" because you didnt have a weapon is insanity. Babbitt was not the only one who wanted to enter, she was just the first traitor that climbed through the broken window. The idea that cop shouldnt have stopped her by any means necessary is ridiculous vic. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.2.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @13.2.16    3 weeks ago
She was attempting to put the lives of US congresspeople in danger.

She was a threat to nobody.


The idea that its ok to break down doors and windows and enter the US Congress that way is "ok" 

Yet it was more than "ok" to murder two dozen people during the 2020 riots?