Alec Baldwin to be charged in fatal 'Rust' shooting

  

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Alec Baldwin to be charged in fatal 'Rust' shooting
Alec Baldwin will be criminally charged in the fatal on-set shooting of "Rust" cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

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Published Thu, Jan 19 202311:02 AM ESTUpdated 2 Min Ago WATCH LIVE Key Points

  • Alec Baldwin will be charged in the fatal on-set shooting of "Rust" cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.
  • The actor and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed each face two counts of involuntary manslaughter.
  • If convicted, Baldwin and the movie's armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, could face five years in prison.

Hilaria Baldwin and Alec Baldwin speak for the first time regarding the accidental shooting that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, and wounded director Joel Souza on the set of the film "Rust", on October 30, 2021 in Manchester, Vermont. MEGA | GC Images | Getty Images

Alec Baldwin will be criminally charged by New Mexico prosecutors for the 2021 fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the film "Rust," authorities said Thursday.

Baldwin, the Emmy-winning star of "30 Rock" and dozens of films including "The Hunt for Red October," shot the bullet that killed Hutchins. Baldwin said he "didn't pull the trigger" in an ABC interview. An FBI forensic report obtained by ABC News uncovered that despite Baldwin's denial, the gun could not have gone off without the pull of a trigger.

Baldwin and the movie's armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, each will be charged with two counts. One of the counts is for involuntary manslaughter, in which prosecutors will have to prove there is underlying negligence, prosecutors said. This is a fourth-degree felony that carries a sentence of up to 18 months in jail and a $5,000 fine.

The second charge is involuntary manslaughter in the commission of a lawful act, a more severe charge which requires proof that there was more than simple negligence involved in a death, prosecutors said. This charge includes a firearm enhancement, which adds a mandatory penalty of five years in jail.

"Rust" assistant director David Halls signed a plea deal for the charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon, resulting in a suspended sentence and six months of probation.

"If any one of these three people — Alec Baldwin, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed or David Halls — had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive today. It's that simple," Andrea Reeb, the special prosecutor on the case, said in a statement Thursday. "The evidence clearly shows a pattern of criminal disregard for safety on the 'Rust' film set."

Baldwin's attorney didn't immediately comment.

Through lawyers, relatives of Hutchins thanked authorities for pursuing the charges.

"It is a comfort to the family that, in New Mexico, no one is above the law," attorney Brian Panish said. "We support the charges, will fully cooperate with this prosecution, and fervently hope the justice system works to protect the public and hold accountable those who break the law."

According to documents obtained by the New York Post in September, the DA's office had been waiting to review evidence from an FBI investigation since October 2021 after the accidental shooting took place. Once the office received the evidence, the DA announced that she intended to pursue charges and filed for $635,500 in emergency funding to hire a specialized team, including a new prosecutor, investigator, and spokesperson, to handle the case. The DA received about half of the requested funds.

Hutchins was shot and killed on Oct. 21, 2021, during a scene where Baldwin used a gun that was filled with live bullet rounds instead of dummies, which is against Hollywood film standards. Joel Souza, the movie's director, was injured by the bullet but later recovered.

Hall, the movie's assistant director, admitted less than a week after the shooting that he had not properly checked the gun for safety before handing it to the film's armorer, Gutierrez Reed who would pass it along to Baldwin for the scene.

Hutchins' death amplified a wave of rallying cries for safer filming protocols on movie sets. Her family ultimately sued Baldwin and the film producers in Feb. 2022 for wrongful death. The lawsuit was settled in October and the movie resumed filming with Matt Hutchins, the widower of Halyna, serving as an executive producer.

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Snuffy
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1  Snuffy    2 weeks ago

I'm glad charges were finally filed, it took them long enough.  The charges don't surprise me but I find it disappointing that David Halls basically threw the others under the bus to make a plea deal for himself.  I felt he should have been charged also as he was pushing hard to get things moving, was the one who physically brought the gun to Baldwin and pushed to get the shot done.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

It couldn't happen to a better guy!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 weeks ago
It couldn't happen to a better guy!

meh, I could come up with a short list...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3  Trout Giggles    2 weeks ago

Why even have live rounds on a movie set? That's just asking for disaster to strike.

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Guide
3.1  evilgenius  replied to  Trout Giggles @3    2 weeks ago

That question has been asked repeated. Apparently some of crew were using it for target practice. Something that professionals say should never be done. The armorer was not qualified for the job and the producers were cutting corners with too small a budget and rushing to get the film done.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 weeks ago
Hilaria Baldwin and Alec Baldwin speak for the first time regarding the accidental shooting that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, and wounded director Joel Souza on the set of the film "Rust", on October 30, 2021 in Manchester, Vermont.

There is nothing "accidental".  It was pure negligence.  Accident infers this could not have been avoided.  This was 100% avoidable.  All Baldwin had to do was check the weapon before he pointed it at somebody and fired.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
4.1  Ronin2  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4    2 weeks ago

He was supposedly only practicing for the shot. He never should have been pointing the gun at anyone for just practice- loaded or not. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1    2 weeks ago

Practice or not, he was ultimately responsible for making sure the weapon was safe. He failed to do that and the result is one dead and one injured.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

I am in complete agreement.

Instructors have told me repeatedly in firearm safety class is first rule "Assume all guns are loaded." Second rule "Even if you verify a gun is empty never point it at anything you don't want to hit." (The just in case you didn't clear the chamber rule. Happened to the instructor training me after he thought I fired everything. He followed his own rule and the gun was pointed down range as he went to verify it was clear and have me reload it.). His third rule was never have your finger close to the trigger unless you intend to pull it. (He kind of messed that one up on the gun transfer between people).

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

I was taught the same thing as a kid and it was reinforced during weapons training in the military.  It's so easy to do that you would think it's common sense.  

This is really nothing more than the left trying to place blame on everybody and everything except one of their own.  

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Masters Silent
4.1.4  SteevieGee  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.2    2 weeks ago
Instructors have told me repeatedly in firearm safety class is first rule "Assume all guns are loaded." Second rule "Even if you verify a gun is empty never point it at anything you don't want to hit."

 The trouble is that New Mexico doesn't require any firearm safety classes in order to have a gun.  People aren't born knowing the "first rule" of gun safety much less the second.  Let's make sure people can own guns but we'll also oppose any gun safety class requirements because you never know when you'll want to shoot up a school or, even better, a gay night club.

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Guide
4.2  evilgenius  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4    2 weeks ago
All Baldwin had to do was check the weapon before he pointed it at somebody and fired.

3 people handled the weapon before the incident. Every dammed one of them should have checked it. 

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
4.2.1  George  replied to  evilgenius @4.2    2 weeks ago

Here is a safety tip for you so you don't continue to deflect. 

EVERY GUN THAT YOU HAVEN"T PERSONALLY VERIFIED IS TO BE TREATED AS A LOADED WEAPON!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilgenius @4.2    2 weeks ago

The ultimate responsibility fall on Baldwin as he was the one handling it when the trigger was squeezed.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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4.2.3  evilgenius  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.2    2 weeks ago

Sure, that's why one person took a plea deal and another is being charged along side him. They all fucked up.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilgenius @4.2.3    2 weeks ago
that's why one person took a plea deal and another is being charged along side him.

Was the firearm in their hand when the trigger was squeezed?  Everything indicates it was in Baldwins hand.  

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Guide
4.2.5  evilgenius  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.4    2 weeks ago

So your saying the Armorer who's job description includes loading the weapon and the AD who handed the gun to Baldwin (and already plead guilty) bear no responsibility at all? 

I don't know about you, but before I hand anyone a weapon I check it first and make sure they know what the fuck they are dealing with when I do. I learned that at 16 years old in basic gun safety class.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilgenius @4.2.5    2 weeks ago

I'm saying that everybody how handles the firearm is responsible for the safe operation of the weapon.  

I don't know about you, but before I hand anyone a weapon I check it first and make sure they know what the fuck they are dealing with when I do.

And when that other person takes control of it they should check to make sure it's safe regardless of what you do. You should have been taught that in the weapons class as well.

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Guide
4.2.7  evilgenius  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.6    2 weeks ago
I'm saying that everybody how handles the firearm is responsible for the safe operation of the weapon. 

Which was my original point, but you took it upon yourself to argue anyway.

And when that other person takes control of it they should check to make sure it's safe regardless of what you do. You should have been taught that in the weapons class as well.

I'm pretty sure I never gave Baldwin a pass either.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilgenius @4.2.7    2 weeks ago
I'm pretty sure I never gave Baldwin a pass either.

Excuses are different.  You've been trying to give him excuse after excuse.  There are no excuses for what happened.

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Guide
4.2.9  evilgenius  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.8    2 weeks ago
You've been trying to give him excuse after excuse.

No, I did not. Pointing out there are ALSO others at fault does not excuse Baldwin. Not even a little. 

This exchange does show your biases though.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
4.2.10  cjcold  replied to  evilgenius @4.2.9    one week ago

There is no way that Baldwin should be held accountable.

It would have been highly unprofessional for him to have checked it.

It's a movie set not your buddy's livingroom.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @4.2.10    one week ago

first two rules:

always expect the worst and be prepared

treat every weapon as if it is loaded until you personally check it.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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4.2.12  dennis smith  replied to  evilgenius @4.2    one week ago

None of those 3 pulled the trigger and killed someone. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilgenius @4.2.9    one week ago
Pointing out there are ALSO others at fault does not excuse Baldwin.

To take full responsibility away from Baldwin is making excuses.

This exchange does show your biases though.

The bias is only in your head.  It doesn't matter who else handled the weapon before him.  He failed to ensure the firearm was clear and safe and somebody died.   This is all on him.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.14  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.13    one week ago

two people had that gun in their hands before it was given to him. what a moronic comment.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @4.2.14    one week ago

The moronic thing to do would be to keep making idiotic excuses like "two people had that gun in their hands before it was given to him".  The responsibility falls solely on Baldwin.  Doesn't matter who else handled the weapon. 

BALDWIN didn't ensure the firearm was properly set up (firearms 101).

BALDWIN squeezed the trigger. 

BALDWIN killed Halyna Hutchins. 

BALDWIN wounded director Joel Souza.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.16  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.15    one week ago

why was an armorer required on the location set then?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @4.2.16    one week ago

I can think of quite a few reasons.  Maintenance of the firearms...  Physical security of the firearms...  Physical security of munitions...

But NONE of them include ensuring the person handling the weapon ensuring everything is done properly before pointing it at somebody and squeezing the trigger.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.18  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @4.2.16    one week ago
why was an armorer required on the location set then?

Probably required by a union.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.19  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.18    one week ago

yeah, gosh darn that commie overtime after 40 hours, paid sick days and paid vacations...

what a stupid comment.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.20  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @4.2.19    one week ago
yeah, gosh darn that commie overtime after 40 hours, paid sick days and paid vacations...

Which, of course, has fuck-all to do with a union perhaps requiring an armorer on set.

What an astoundingly silly reply.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
4.2.21  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.17    one week ago

considering i have read that they were doing a practice run through to find which filming shots were best , i would likely bet , all involved now wishes that they had used a true plastic fake facsimile  than the actual filming prop gun .

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
4.2.22  Ender  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.2.21    one week ago

Don't they have just flash bangs. With CGI and shit, I would think a shooting weapon is really no longer needed.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.23  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @4.2.19    one week ago
what a stupid comment

Far better than most of the idiotic excuses that you have been presented.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.2.24  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.2.21    one week ago

hell they could have use a stick for a practice run to find the best angles to film.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
4.2.25  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Ender @4.2.22    one week ago

I would say that depends on the budget and what they are willing to spend that budget on . it has already been presented that corners were cut to save money .

Now my personal experiences in such a matter is strictly limited to military exercises for training .

 we had 1 armorer whose only job was to make sure the firearms were functioning as they were suppose to and hand it to the individual it was intended for  , the assistant armorer's only job was to make sure everyone got the proper ammunition required .

 then we had the clearing NCO , their sole job was to double check the other 2 peoples jobs as to function of the firearm , and that no live ammo was present or in the firearm .  simply done by chamber checks and ammo inspection .

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
4.2.26  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.24    one week ago

no arguments from me .... hindsight is always .....

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
4.2.27  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.18    one week ago

might have also been required by the state film commission and state law in order to film in the state  .....

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.28  Texan1211  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.2.27    one week ago

I know California requires an armorer.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
5  charger 383    2 weeks ago

I don't like Alec Baldwin but he does not deserve to go to jail for this

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  charger 383 @5    2 weeks ago

I'm on the fence. If he handles weapons in the work place he should know how to check the ammo to ensure he's not using live rounds. I think there were a lot of lazy, incompetent people who showed up for work that day

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1    one week ago

Baldwin will not be convicted. He had a reasonable expectation that the armorer and assistant director did their jobs and gave him a safe gun.  Whether he "should" have checked it himself is not part of the legal issue. 

This is not my analysis and I am not a lawyer. This is what I have heard numerous attorneys on tv say since the indictment was announced. 

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
5.2  George  replied to  charger 383 @5    2 weeks ago

Why?  Basic gun safety was ignored by him, Every gun is to be treated as a loaded weapon unless you personally verify it. He failed, He pulled the trigger, you never point a gun at something you aren't willing to kill, and especially pull the trigger. he then lied about it.  

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.2.1  cjcold  replied to  George @5.2    one week ago

Baldwin would have been wrong to have opened the cylinder to check.

Stunt guns are not to be screwed with by actors.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @5.2.1    one week ago

either stunt guns should be disabled or use common sense and treat it as a weapon.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
5.3  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  charger 383 @5    one week ago

IMHO , i doubt they will get a criminal conviction , to many layers involved where things went wrong at each layer .

That does not leave out the possibility of a civil trial  where the bar of proof is lowered substantially its entirely possible to not be convicted criminally but to be convicted civilly .

 OJ ring a bell?

 
 
 
dennis smith
PhD Silent
5.4  dennis smith  replied to  charger 383 @5    one week ago

He pulled the trigger with the gun pointing at someone. Excusing him from jail is nonsense.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6  Tacos!    2 weeks ago

I guess people imagine that every actor on every set takes apart every weapon handed to him, and examines every round in the gun to verify it’s loaded only with blanks.

That’s silly. How many guns do you think John Wayne personally inspected? Clint Eastwood? Stallone?

They have people whose job it is to make sure this happens safely.

Are actors also responsible for making sure that all safety equipment is functioning properly? Are actors supposed to make sure that everyone on set is authorized to be there so vandals or terrorists don’t sneak in? Do they also check all electrical connections so no one gets electrocuted? Do they make sure stunt cars are functioning properly? With roll cages properly welded? Do they check all the air bags for jumps? 

The crew is a team, and it’s not unreasonable to expect that each member of that team is doing the job they are paid to do. Blaming this on Alec Baldwin is ridiculous. Punish him for this, and you make it so no one can make a movie with a gun ever again.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6    2 weeks ago

The NBC news legal expert said today that it will almost be impossible to convict Baldwin. This is kind of a show trial to prove Hollywood is not above accountability. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
6.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    2 weeks ago

Does Baldwin bear any responsibility for killing the victim?

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.1.2  cjcold  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.1    one week ago

No. But you won't be able to tell him that. The man is suffering.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
6.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tacos! @6    2 weeks ago

Your what-ifs are silly. If I read the story correctly, there should have been no rounds in the gun at all...live or blank.

And he is the who pulled the trigger while pointing the gun at someone. That is negligence 

 I suspect awe struck fans on the jury won't convict him anyway.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2    2 weeks ago
Your what-ifs are silly.

No, what’s silly is your assumption that anyone who sides with Baldwin must be a fan.

there should have been no rounds in the gun at all...live or blank

A person on-set is paid to have that responsibility. Such assignment of role and compensation clearly implies both 1) that person is the one responsible for guns and gun safety, and 2) It’s not someone else’s responsibility.

That is negligence

Negligence is possible only where a legal duty exists.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @6    2 weeks ago
I guess people imagine that every actor on every set takes apart every weapon handed to him, and examines every round in the gun to verify it’s loaded only with blanks.

Taking the weapon apart is a stretch.  Checking to make sure it has the correct munitions is EXACTLY what is supposed to happen.  It is the responsibility of EVERYBODY that handles a firearm.  

They have people whose job it is to make sure this happens safely.

It doesn't remove the responsibility from Baldwin.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6.3.1  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.3    2 weeks ago
Checking to make sure it has the correct munitions is EXACTLY what is supposed to happen.  It is the responsibility of EVERYBODY that handles a firearm.

Is it? I want to see evidence that actors are required/expected/traditionally/routinely inspect the ammunition every time they are handed a weapon as actors. What is truly standard practice on a set?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.3.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @6.3.1    2 weeks ago

I am reminded of "Trust but Verify". Or in other words, cover your ass as you may not know how incompetent those around you are.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
6.3.3  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Tacos! @6.3.1    2 weeks ago

well i can think of at least one actor , the one that plays john wick , there is youtube vid of him going through the training he decided he needed to play the character , and he did so with live ammo in the vids i have seen  .

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Guide
6.4  evilgenius  replied to  Tacos! @6    2 weeks ago

Baldwin was also the producer of the movie. They hired non-union crew and rushed production to cut costs, so yes he is somewhat responsible. At least for the first charge of negligence.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
6.5  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @6    2 weeks ago

He has been making films involving shooting scenes since at least 1988 and never had live rounds on

set, let alone in a "prop" gun.

I feel like someone set them all up.

Alec is considered to be a spoiled bully in the industry and a racist bigoted name calling pig.

He has no shortage when it comes to people he has pissed on or pissed off.

Karma.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
6.6  George  replied to  Tacos! @6    2 weeks ago
I guess people imagine that every actor on every set takes apart every weapon handed to him, and examines every round in the gun to verify it’s loaded only with blanks.

Bad Boys star, Will Smith, swiftly points out gun safety on movie set - YouTube

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6.6.1  Tacos!  replied to  George @6.6    2 weeks ago

Cute routine. 

Thing is, even with being careful about where you point a gun or checking to see if it’s loaded, none of that would have helped with the Baldwin situation. You have to directly examine every round in a gun to make sure all the rounds are blanks. I’m confident that no actor is doing that.

 
 
 
George
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6.6.2  George  replied to  Tacos! @6.6.1    2 weeks ago

It's a fucking revolver you don't hve to check every round, just look at it, and there is no reason to pull the trigger. 

The stupid mother fucker claimed he thought it was empty, EVEN if it had blanks it wouldn't have been empty would it? 

plus you could ask Jon-Erik Hexum how safe blanks are if he hadn't been killed by one. 

Baldwin has more murders on his scoreboard than Rittenhouse does.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6.6.3  Tacos!  replied to  George @6.6.2    2 weeks ago
just look at it

So . . . Point the loaded gun at your face?

The stupid mother fucker claimed he thought it was empty

Probably because the person being paid to make sure of that led him to believe it was. 

If he were doing a stunt in a car, he’s rely on a paid person to tell him the car was safe. If he were doing something in the air with a harness, he’d rely on a paid person to tell him the harness was secure. If he were about to bash another actor on the head with beer bottle, he’d rely on a paid expert to provide a bottle made of fake glass. Just how many things is an actor supposed to check? Just how long would you like to hold up production while a non-expert checks the work of paid experts?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
6.6.4  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @6.6.3    one week ago
He explained how to load the gun.

"You go to halfcocked right there. Open your gate. Turn your firearm up. And this right here is the ejector. You push it down and it would knock out the cartridge,” Theige said.

Theige also showed Target 7 the type of ammunition it uses.

"It's a very powerful handgun. Forty-five Colt is a powerful round," Theige said.

Court documents show that normally film crew members spin the gun's cylinder to determine if there are blanks in it.

Theige explained it is not easy to check this gun for blanks.

“The only way they could check it would be to open it. And you cannot really tell without dropping the rounds and looking at them,” Theige said.

Sheriff's officials Wednesday acknowledged there was some complacency on the set that led to the shooting.

An inside look at type of gun used in Alec Baldwin 'Rust' shooting incident (koat.com)

and...

SANTA FE, N.M. —

According to information obtained by ABC, nearly the entire camera department walked off the set of the Western film, “Rust,” citing numerous concerns involving lack of pay, safety and previously reported gun safety issues.

The member of the camera crew told ABC that the issue of gun safety had been brought up by crew members but alleges it was brushed off by production.

He went on to claim that there had already been two previous accidental discharges on set, which he adds was not something that typically happens on set. According to the information the crew member gave ABC, the previous discharges happened two times within 10 minutes of each other on the same day.

In addition to safety concerns, the crew made clams of contract breaches about lodging stipulations, lack of pay and lack of COVID-19 safety.

He also said the group claimed the set was not functioning as it should be and that each day was “extraordinarily chaotic.”

'Rust' crew cited multiple concerns before shooting (koat.com)

Baldwin's being listed as one of the producers may also affect this trial and the civil trial that will almost certainly follow.

Alec Baldwin's role as producer on 'Rust,' explained - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6.6.5  Tacos!  replied to  Split Personality @6.6.4    one week ago
Theige explained it is not easy to check this gun for blanks.

This, exactly. It’s really not quick or easy to check any firearm for blanks. You pretty much always have to empty the gun and look at the ammo. With a revolver, I guess you could try to look up the cylinders, but pointing a gun at your face feels like you’re bucking for a Darwin Award. Even then, it might be tough to tell for sure, and you can’t see all the rounds at a glance, anyway.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
7  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Not a fan of Baldwin, but a criminal conviction doesn't seem likely. 

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
7.1  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    2 weeks ago

He was criminally negligent, but jury nullification is a definite possibility. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
8  afrayedknot    2 weeks ago

Jesus.

We argue about the ins and outs, focusing on the who’s and why’s, forgetting those lost…every minute of every day….we have a gun problem, on the streets or on a movie set…

…,perhaps this incident will bring us back to addressing the real issue…the dishonorable gaetz excluded. 

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
8.1  George  replied to  afrayedknot @8    2 weeks ago
forgetting those lost…every minute of every day….we have a gun problem

Nobody is forgetting those that are lost, An why do you blame the inanimate object? I never see the idiots who whine about guns blaming cars for drunk drivers? and that is almost 100% preventable. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
8.1.1  afrayedknot  replied to  George @8.1    2 weeks ago

“Nobody is forgetting those that are lost,”

Name one, by name, and tell us just how their families are coping…  

And don’t start with the inanimate object bullshit, if you can’t name an actual victim and relate to their loss. 

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
8.1.2  George  replied to  afrayedknot @8.1.1    2 weeks ago

Halyna Hutchins.

Now why do you blame an inanimate object for the actions of the holder, FFS how about some personal responsiblity for the stupid fucker who pulled the trigger? or are you blaming a hunk of metal because it's to hard to actually blame the perpetrators? GUNS kill no one all by themselves.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
8.1.3  afrayedknot  replied to  George @8.1.2    2 weeks ago

”Halyna Hutchins.”

Tragic. 

Sandy Hook, Uvalde, Columbine…sadly the list will go on and on and on and…no point in going on and on and on….

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
8.1.4  George  replied to  afrayedknot @8.1.3    2 weeks ago

Agreed, anyone who blames the inanimate object for the actions of the holder is an idiot who isn’t worth the effort. They drone on and on without knowing what they are talking about.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
8.1.5  afrayedknot  replied to  George @8.1.4    2 weeks ago

“…anyone who blames the inanimate object for the actions of the holder…”

…consequentialism…Machiavelli gets it…you may need to look it up…

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8.1.6  Ender  replied to  George @8.1.4    2 weeks ago

What in the world do you think guns were designed for? A fashion accessory? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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8.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @8.1.6    2 weeks ago

Ummm. Here is what he said..................

Agreed, anyone who blames the inanimate object for the actions of the holder

Were "holders" created to pull the trigger every time they have one in their hands?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8.1.8  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.7    2 weeks ago

Do guns never go off on accident? How may people killed someone by mishandling a gun?

So now people are just 'holders'. Sounds a lot like saying people are only props for guns...

No matter how many times someone says guns don't kill people people do, the gun in question was designed and made for that exact purpose.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @8.1.8    2 weeks ago
Do guns never go off on accident?

Sure they do. While in someone's hand(s). Not just laying on the kitchen table.

How many people killed someone by mishandling a gun?

Key word, mishandling. Meaning someone was handling the gun

So now people are just 'holders'. Sounds a lot like saying people are only props for guns...

That's a bit obtuse........well a lot obtuse

No matter how many times someone says guns don't kill people people do, the gun in question was designed and made for that exact purpose.

I beg to differ. I doubt the first firearms were created JUST to kill people but rather game as it was easier than a spear or bow and arrow in many cases.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8.1.10  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.9    2 weeks ago

Guns were made for war.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @8.1.8    2 weeks ago
No matter how many times someone says guns don't kill people people do, the gun in question was designed and made for that exact purpose.

And no matter how many times you spout off that little bit of stupidity, you fail to acknowledge, that, by design, the firearm still requires somebody to manipulate it to operate. 

The purpose of the firearm is what ever purpose the buyer intends.  Some for sport, some for hunting, etc.    

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8.1.12  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.11    2 weeks ago

Recognizing what guns were build for is stupidity?

What is stupidity is acting like they were made to put flowers in the barrel. 

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
8.1.13  George  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.11    2 weeks ago

How dare you, Guns roam the street at night shooting people Willy Nilly, the poor innocents don't stand a chance, Those inanimate objects are killers!!!! Killers I say, That's why all those canons in city squares blow things up when no one is looking.......We don't need no uncivilized animals to pull the trigger! We are killer guns!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @8.1.10    2 weeks ago

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @8.1.12    2 weeks ago
they were made to put flowers in the barrel. 

They were made for putting flowers on caskets

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
8.1.16  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @8.1.10    one week ago

The first fire sticks developed by the Chinese as flame throwers,

designed to terrorize and control a defensive line.

During one battle as they were running low on gunpowder they started packing stones and other shrapnel into the tubes

thus inventing an offensive firearm.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
8.1.17  MrFrost  replied to  George @8.1    one week ago
I never see the idiots who whine about guns blaming cars for drunk drivers?

Because cars were not designed for combat, guns were. Piss poor analogy. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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8.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @8    2 weeks ago

Why does Hollywood glamorize guns?  Why do their Dem beneficiaries put up with it?  Is it just about the money?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Sophomore Quiet
8.2.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @8.2    2 weeks ago

Can you just once reply without it being prefaced as a question? Is it possible you have an original thought? Who am I kidding? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
8.2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @8.2.1    2 weeks ago

I’m sorry, it’s how I have conversations.  Do you not ask other’s questions when discussing a topic?  Oops, another question.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
8.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @8.2    2 weeks ago
Why do their Dem beneficiaries put up with it?

Do you have any studies that show Dems prefer violent movies more the Republicans?

After all, the film industry is like any other and is just after a profit for any warm seat in a theatre 

or streaming service, correct?

Oops, 2 more questions, jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
9  Kavika     2 weeks ago

This was a string of stupid moves by all involved. A very inexperienced armorer who was not present in the room when Baldwin was handed the weapon. Numerous safety violations in the proceeding days had some members quit the set. Having live ammo on the set is a disaster waiting to happen and it did. 

The dumb fuck that handed the weapon to Baldwin telling him it was safe without actually checking the weapon bears a hell of a lot of responsibility for this death. Baldwin himself also bears responsibility by pointing the weapon at a person. 

But the armorer is the one who is ultimately responsible for the weapons and their handling. That is their job and from what I've read she was doing other jobs besides being the armorer on the set which another stupid move.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
9.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Kavika @9    one week ago

If a movie or show requires and armorer that is probably all they should be doing…

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10  Trout Giggles    2 weeks ago

I heard a news bit this morning that at first Baldwin claimed he didn't even fire the gun. That was a stupid move.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
10.1  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @10    2 weeks ago

He was saying that he didn't pull the trigger, but he did pull the hammer back if I remember correctly. It's not that far-fetched since there are weapons that can happen with and with the replica handgun involved it is possible.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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10.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Kavika @10.1    2 weeks ago

That was disproved by the FBI examination of the firearm earlier however.

For months, actor Alec Baldwin has said that he did not pull the trigger of a gun that fatally shot a crew member while they were filming in New Mexico. But new forensic evidence may tell a different story.

The FBI recently finished and sent a report to the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office, which is handling the investigation. Officials found that the weapon, meant to be a prop, could not be fired without pulling the trigger.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
10.1.2  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @10.1.1    2 weeks ago

I don't know about prop guns but can't they tell when someone pulled a trigger. There would be residue on their hand or something.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @10.1.2    2 weeks ago

fingerprints

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
10.1.4  Kavika   replied to  Snuffy @10.1.1    2 weeks ago

If the FBI checked and confirmed that the weapon did have the safety mechanism to prevent the accidental firing then I don't know of any other way that weapon could have been fired without pulling the trigger.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
10.1.5  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1.3    2 weeks ago

True.

I saw an interview with Kristin Chenoweth. She was on a movie set and a stage light fell and smashed her in the face. Had to have reconstructive surgery and everything. Could have killed her.

Now she says she regrets not taking it to court.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @10.1.5    2 weeks ago

She should have. Even actors have the right to expect a reasonably safe work place

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
10.1.7  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1.6    2 weeks ago

It actually cracked her skull If I remember right. Scary shit.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @10.1.7    2 weeks ago

She's lucky to be alive

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
12  Ender    2 weeks ago

I haven't spoken on this as I am a little bias.

I think Baldwin is an extreme egomaniac and a total jackass.

Anyone that hits 60 years old and decides they have to pop out six or seven kids is only doing it for ego.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
12.1  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @12    2 weeks ago

Which is why I suggested somewhere that someone on that set probably loaded the gun deliberately,

not necessarily expecting a death but just fucking with Baldwin

who is a notorious prick, racist and bigot.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
13  Thrawn 31    one week ago

Lotta questions here, but something that can prevent this in the future… require all prop weapons to be fired into a clearing barrel 5 times before they are presented on set. Super cheap. And FFS verify the goddamn ammunition beforehand. How I. The fuck did live ammo make it onset?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
13.1  Gsquared  replied to  Thrawn 31 @13    one week ago

The best solution is to use CGI and don't have weapons on the set.  

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
14  Mark in Wyoming     one week ago

From my understanding , they are going ahead with production of this film .

 any bets its a flop and a money loser ?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
14.1  Gsquared  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @14    one week ago

It's hard to believe they are going ahead with production.  It's ghoulish, disrespectful, and terrible PR, which is the life blood of Hollywood.  Also, Baldwin's criminal defense is going to command a lot of his time.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
14.1.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Gsquared @14.1    one week ago

They could be doing so for any number of reasons i think , and just to be spit balling , it could be they already have too much invested to cancel , the old follow the money . wouldn't be the first time that's happened either .

 from what i read , at best its going to be very awkward since the cinematographer that died her husband is taking over her duties on set  .... will say this is not a movie that will be going on my "must see" list 

We shall see i guess.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
15  George    one week ago

Maybe the hardest part for the defense is finding 12 people who don't want to send him to jail for just being a miserable prick his whole life.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
15.1  devangelical  replied to  George @15    one week ago

that would make his peer group trumpsters...

 
 

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