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Live Commentary - January 6th Committee Hearing - Thursday July 21st, 2022

  
By:  JBB  •  Opinions  •  4 weeks ago  •  237 comments

Live Commentary - January 6th Committee Hearing - Thursday July 21st, 2022
No Man Is Above The Law" - JBB

The hearing is cued up and the popcorn is popped. What are your thoughts and observations regarding today's hearing of The Congressional January 6th Committee?

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JBB
Professor Principal
1  author  JBB    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2  author  JBB    4 weeks ago

Here We Go, AGAIN!

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
2.1  squiggy  replied to  JBB @2    4 weeks ago

“…and the popcorn is popped.”

Yup. All the phony indignation and overly dramatic expression of a high school play.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  squiggy @2.1    4 weeks ago

No shit

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  squiggy @2.1    4 weeks ago

Are the one hundred fifty police officers injured Jan 6th phonies?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @2    4 weeks ago

#45 thought Barr was his consigliere and the DOJ his own firm of attorneys.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

We await the promised new and "compelling" evidence of criminal conduct by Donald Trump

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 weeks ago

Donald Trump piddled while The US Capital was under siege...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1    4 weeks ago

Again is being irresponsibly late to act a crime?

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
3.1.2  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    4 weeks ago

It is when you are president and the people are there at your request 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.3  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    4 weeks ago

How long would you watch someone drown before helping?

Would an hour be too long? Two hours? What about three?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1.3    4 weeks ago

That's not an answer. Is an irresponsible action a crime?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

What is that crime called?

Why hasn't Garland acted on it. After all the President asked all those people to be there. Where's the indictment for whatever that's called?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1    4 weeks ago

So it's the Nero crime?

Where do I find that?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

Just about everything trumpturd has done prior to this was/is a crime.

But everything from when he lost bigly in November with his months long incitement leading up to (and inside planning of 1/6/21) he incited his domestic terrorist mobs on to the Capitol where he watched it all unfold from the White House for hours (while watching and rewinding and re-watching the violent mobs he incited - knowing that they had weapons - yet 'weren't there to hurt me') - yet did nothing until hours later - when he told his domestic terrorist mobs that they were special and that they loved them. 

I don't call that 'being irresponsibly late to act on a crime'  I call that treason/sedition.

He's just lucky his final sentence won't be execution before a firing squad.

For Fucks' Sake.   

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
3.1.8  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    4 weeks ago

Dereliction of Duty, Insurrection, treason....  I dunno, ask the AG. He said the other day that they want to get this right: dotted t's and crossed eyes or some such :)

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
3.1.9  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Thomas @3.1.2    4 weeks ago
It is when you are president and the people are there at your request

Former Vice President Joe Biden, the apparent Democratic presidential nominee, released a statement just after midnight Sunday morning, calling the protests “right and necessary” while urging peaceful demonstrations over violence.

“I know that a grief that dark and deep may at times feel too heavy to bear,” he said in the statement. “I know. I also know that the only way to bear it is to turn all that anguish into purpose.”

He urged Americans to use their pain to make change.

“We are a nation in pain, but we must not allow this pain to destroy us,” he said.

Apparently, Brandon Requests things too !

But that's Okay, he was just Running to Be President of "ALL" People back then !

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
3.1.10  Thomas  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @3.1.9    4 weeks ago

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Gotta Scooby snack?

Your entire post was about an entirely different event and was not related to the subject at hand.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
3.1.11  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Thomas @3.1.10    4 weeks ago
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Gotta Scooby snack?

Apparently you need a Dobbie Snack.

Bidens advocating of Violent Protests against Government, any Government, is AOK !

Police Departments were invaded and ransacked, Court Houses were taken over, Towns were burned, etc...

A government building is a government building ...... PERIOD !

Biden advocated for Americans to "use" their Pain and keep ransacking and burning and looting, Even against Private Citizens. Apparently, murdering retired Police Captains was Okay too.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    4 weeks ago
Why hasn't Garland acted on it.

We can easily presume that the government will want to ensure they have the best possible case before they indict Trump.   How much time is that supposed to take in your expert opinion?

Next, in your expert opinion, what are all the factors Garland must consider with respect to timing of an indictment and then criminal trial of a PotUS for the first time in our history?   How do these factors affect the timetable?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.13  Dulay  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @3.1.9    4 weeks ago
Apparently, Brandon Requests things too !

Yes, HERE is what Biden requested that day:

And I also know that the only way to bear it is to turn all that anguish to purpose. So tonight, I ask all of America to join me — not in denying our pain or covering it over — but using it to compel our nation across this turbulent threshold into the next phase of progress, inclusion, and opportunity for our great democracy. We are a nation in pain, but we must not allow this pain to destroy us. We are a nation enraged, but we cannot allow our rage to consume us. We are a nation exhausted, but we will not allow our exhaustion to defeat us.

What is your issue with that request? Please be specific. 

This is what your "right and necessary" snippet looks like in the adult world:

Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.

There's much more to Biden's statement but I doubt you'd want to read it because it doesn't bolster your agenda. 

But that's Okay, he was just Running to Be President of "ALL" People back then !

What's not okay about the above quote? Again, be specific. 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
3.1.14  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Dulay @3.1.13    4 weeks ago
There's much more to Biden's statement but I doubt you'd want to read it because it doesn't bolster your agenda. 

Do explain, and please be Specific as to Bidens Thoughts on why he said what "HE" said !

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.15  Dulay  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @3.1.14    4 weeks ago

Do explain, and please be Specific as to Bidens Thoughts on why he said what "HE" said !

What didn't you understand about the statements I quoted? 

Perhaps if you had invested the time to read his whole statement, your question would be answered. 

Now are you going to answer my questions?

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
3.1.16  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Dulay @3.1.15    4 weeks ago
Perhaps if you had invested the time to read his whole statement, your question would be answered. 

Do Specifically Explain since ......... "YOU"......... Know !

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.17  Dulay  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @3.1.16    4 weeks ago

Actually, YOU are the one who pretended to know what Biden was thinking. 

I made no such claim. 

YOU stated:

Bidens advocating of Violent Protests against Government, any Government, is AOK ! Biden advocated for Americans to "use" their Pain and keep ransacking and burning and looting, Even against Private Citizens.

You claim to know what Biden was 'advocating' for, yet you had to mischaracterize what he said to do it. 

Now, do you have any answers to my questions or are you just trolling? 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
3.1.18  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Dulay @3.1.17    4 weeks ago
You claim to know what Biden was 'advocating' for, yet you had to mischaracterize what he said to do it. 

How do you know I mischaracterized it ?

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
3.1.19  Freewill  replied to  Thomas @3.1.2    4 weeks ago
It is when you are president and the people are there at your request

If not a crime, most certainly a very good reason to never re-elect him again.  Although there were plenty of reasons to come to that conclusion before his first election!

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
3.1.20  Thomas  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @3.1.11    4 weeks ago

Ha ha ha ha ha.....giggle.

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Biden was not advocating for violence. Period.  But some people just cannot portray any action by Biden as being good or decent because they have a partisan axe to grind. 

I feel that you offer about negative 100% credulity to any conversation.  

You misrepresent the most simple of facts and statements and try to smear the objects of your dissatisfaction with lies and half truths [deleted]

[Fuck off.]

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.28  Dulay  replied to    3 weeks ago

No .... You can't...as you keep asking me to "Explain things to you ....... in Detail ! LOL !

Any thinking member of this forum can see for themselves that claim is bullshit. 

I haven't asked you to 'explain' a fucking thing to me. 

Here are the 3 questions I asked: 

What is your issue with that request? Please be specific.
What didn't you understand about the statements I quoted? 

Now are you going to answer my questions?

That illustrates that it is YOU who either can't read or are intentionally misrepresenting what I posted. Which is it?

Oh and BTFW, you use of quotation marks is also intentionally misleading. 

Care to go for your 3rd strike? 

Oh hell, there's 2 more questions you won't answer. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.33  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dulay @3.1.28    3 weeks ago

Part of this thread was removed for no value.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
3.1.34  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    3 weeks ago
Is an irresponsible action a crime?

It can be but that is not the case is it?

We are talking about inaction being a crime.

Withholding medical care or nutrition is a criminal act.

Failure to report a crime or abuse of a child or elder is a crime.

Failure to fulfill a legal duty to act is a crime.

Failure for a government official to violate their oath to the Constitution 

violates the "take care" clause of the Constitution to faithfully execute

the Law.

 
 
 
Dig
Professor Guide
3.2  Dig  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 weeks ago
We await the promised new and "compelling" evidence of criminal conduct by Donald Trump

My god. He tried to overthrow the republic. That's the highest of high crimes.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dig @3.2    4 weeks ago

Where's Garland and the indictment?

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
3.2.2  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    4 weeks ago

 
 
 
Dig
Professor Guide
3.2.3  Dig  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    4 weeks ago
Where's Garland and the indictment?

Pat's video is from just a day ago.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.2    4 weeks ago

But all of your comrades claim it is obvious. And don't forget what we learned via the Sussman trial: All Garland has to do is bring charges of any kind against Trump to a DC jury and he will have a conviction. What Garland fears is that such a conviction would be overturned on appeal, thus exposing the DOJ as BIASED & CORRUPT in a case involving a former President being investigated by the opposition party.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dig @3.2.3    4 weeks ago

But you said he tried to overthrow the Republic.

That would be a slam dunk.

So maybe that would be a hard sell?

Take a few minutes and think it over.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.4    4 weeks ago
"What Garland fears is that such a conviction would be overturned on appeal, thus exposing the DOJ as BIASED & CORRUPT in a case involving a former President being investigated by the opposition party."
Your usual ignorant nonsense.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
3.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    4 weeks ago
Where's Garland and the indictment?

Where's John Durham and the promises of multiple indictments?

Still chasing McCabe, Hillary or Comey? Obama?

Durham convicted a lowly FBI lawyer of altering an official internal document.  Clinesmith received probation and community service...

Sussman walked...

Following the precedent of past special counsels, Durham will likely release a final report with his findings. Garland has previously said he hopes to publicly release "as much as possible" of the eventual Durham report, after it goes through a Justice Department redaction process.
Trump has claimed that the probe will vindicate his claims of Watergate-level crimes against him and his allies. After three years, Durham is nowhere near delivering on those expectations.
Patience for your avatar's snail pace but not Garland's?
That's just bad form.
 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.8  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.4    4 weeks ago
And don't forget what we learned via the Sussman trial: All Garland has to do is bring charges of any kind against Trump to a DC jury and he will have a conviction.

Is this an example of your lessons on truth and ethics Vic? 

Seriously, HOW does Sussman's acquittal teach us that Garland will get a conviction against Trump. Be specific.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.2    3 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.7    3 weeks ago
Where's John Durham and the promises of multiple indictments?

You have 3 so far.

What does it have to do with Garland not prosecuting Trump?

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
3.2.11  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.9    3 weeks ago

You currently have at least three active articles/seeds trending on the FP yet you want to talk about the vote count of a comment I posted a week ago ? 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
3.2.12  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.10    3 weeks ago

Again, one slap on the wrist for Clinesmith, Sussman acquitted and another lying charge against a foreign national after three years?

What does it have to do with Garland not prosecuting Trump?

I repeat, why the extraordinary patience with Durham but not Garland?

It just highlights your self advertised biases.

You promised us readers that Durham would bring down the high and mighty of the 

Democratic party for high crimes, not some petty office workers.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.11    3 weeks ago
yet you want to talk about the vote count of a comment I posted a week ago ?

I guess it's a rule violation. Who knew?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.12    3 weeks ago

We're still waiting on those Durham indictments on the entire Obama administration

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Now their only deflection is Hunter Biden

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Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.15  Dulay  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.11    3 weeks ago

Not to mention the fact that there is a plethora of questions that he has avoided right here in this seed. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.16  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.10    3 weeks ago

You have 3 so far.

What does it have to do with Garland not prosecuting Trump?

Well then, by your standard, Garland has over 700 indictments after only 18 months. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 weeks ago

When was that promised and who promised it Vic? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
4  Just Jim NC TttH    4 weeks ago

First lie. “Heavily armed”.  Second, “savagely beating and killing law enforcement officers”

clown show alert!!!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1  author  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4    4 weeks ago

Then how do you figure 150 Capital Police sustained serious injuries?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
4.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @4.1    4 weeks ago

How many were fucking killed? Don't be a fool on your own thread/seed. He said killed FFS.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

So, merely "Attempting to kill" would have been fine by you?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @4.1.2    4 weeks ago
"Attempting to kill"

But was "killing law enforcement officers" the term?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
4.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @4.1.2    4 weeks ago
So, merely "Attempting to kill" would have been fine by you?

No because that would be bullshit too. If they'd have wanted to, unfortunately , it may have happened. They were a bunch of pissed off dumbasses. PERIOD. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
4.1.5  Gsquared  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.4    4 weeks ago
They were a bunch of pissed off dumbasses.  PERIOD.

Haven't you seen any of the videos of the physical attacks on the Capitol police officers?  Are you unaware that 140 officers were injured by the rioters on January 6th?  They were savagely beaten.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @4.1.2    4 weeks ago

The attempt was fine.  As long as they didn't actually kill them.

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Veronica
Masters Expert
4.1.7  Veronica  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.6    4 weeks ago

"Blue Lives Matter" until those "blue lives" are going against something they believe in.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @4.1.7    4 weeks ago

Yes, very hypocrticial

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Veronica @4.1.7    4 weeks ago

They feel the same way about the attempted coup - they didn't actually get away with it - so no harm done - according to the trumpturd enablers/supporters.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
5  Just Jim NC TttH    4 weeks ago

This “committee” was supposed to be about finding the cause to make sure it doesn’t happen again. And again, it’s all fucking Trump and NOT the incompetent law enforcement of the capital to be fucking prepared 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1  author  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5    4 weeks ago

Trump caused it. Trump summoned the mob and directed them to storm the Capital to "Stop The Steal"! It was a multi-part conspiracy!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @5.1    4 weeks ago

That's what was in his mind, you mean?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    4 weeks ago

You really should be paying closer attention to the hearings!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
5.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @5.1    4 weeks ago

Don't give a flying fuck. That is NOT what this was purported to be about. It's about not letting it happen again. And the only thing they are trying to stop, is Trump from running again. PERIOD. Where is the goddamned questioning of the preparedness? If that had been present, the shit would not NEARLY have hit the fan as it did. Use your head woman.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.4  author  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.3    4 weeks ago

It is plain you don't give a fuck about Trump's insurrection!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @5.1.2    4 weeks ago

It's actions that will get the criminal complaint.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @5.1.4    4 weeks ago
Trump's insurrection!

That would be a criminal act and you haven't proved it!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @5.1    4 weeks ago

He and everyone who planned it need to be gone.  All those who voted to overturn the election included.  From trumpturd on down.  

Stephen Miller and others planned all this prior (Ginni Thomas husband, I mean wife, of Token Thomas included)  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

Adam Schiff has promised that "what you will see on Thursday will be significant."

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
6.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    4 weeks ago

Was what you saw insignificant Vic? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

We all know that Trump took a long time in calling for his supporters to leave the Capitol.

The question:  is the failure to act promptly and responsibly a criminal act ?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    4 weeks ago

WHY is that the question Vic? Jim insists it's all about making sure it doesn't happen again, you're insisting that it's all about proving a 'criminal act'. Which is it? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

When the Chair said at the outset that these facts are "uncontested" it highlights the fact that there aren't any members present who would contest them.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    4 weeks ago

You cannot contest what everyone saw themselves!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @8.1    4 weeks ago

You mean he is only talking about the riot?  What about everything else that's being said?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.1    4 weeks ago

That is what all these republican witnesses are testifying about!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @8.1.2    4 weeks ago

What they are saying could be contested if McCarty's choices were placed.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1.4  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.3    4 weeks ago

No, the witnesses tonight were all inside the WH on Jan 6th.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @8.1.4    4 weeks ago

And that makes them immune from questions?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1.6  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.5    4 weeks ago

Do you find the witnesses tonight truthful and trustworthy?

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
8.1.7  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.5    4 weeks ago
And that makes them immune from questions?

No. They seem to be answering just fine.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @8.1.7    4 weeks ago

You mean the chosen snippets from the taped depositions?   If Roy Cohn were alive, I'm sure he'd be very impressed with that!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1.9  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.8    3 weeks ago

No, I am talking about the Republican witnesses' testimony!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @8.1.9    3 weeks ago

I can't believe he brought up that mob lawyer/former friend of trumpturd

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
8.2  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    4 weeks ago

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
8.2.1  Thomas  replied to  Thomas @8.2    4 weeks ago

I hate phones. Apparently, it is called "The Trial" by Pink Floyd 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
8.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    4 weeks ago

It's the next day Vic. 

One of the many members of Trump's administration has to have come forward to refute what was said last night right? Maybe one of those whose video was used as evidence said something to contest the assertions made in last night's hearing. 

With your expertise with RW sources, you should have no problem posting some facts that can contest last night's testimony.

Please proceed. 

Oh and I remind you again, McCarthy assigned Rep. Banks to do an independent investigation. Surely Banks has evidence that contests last night's testimony.

We can count on Banks to set the record straight, right?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

Did Adam Kinzinger say that he thinks it’s a “smoking gun” that Trump watched TV during the January 6 Capitol incursion?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
9.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    4 weeks ago

Well shit then I'm complacent too...................damn. Give me some AOC Smollett invisible handcuffs and fine me the same $35.00

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
9.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1    4 weeks ago

Devil,where art thou?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
9.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1    4 weeks ago

MILLIONS of us are complacent.  They can just email me my subpoena.  I MIGHT show up.  I MIGHT be as honest as the committee members.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.1.3  author  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.2    4 weeks ago

Two Words - Steve Bannon...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
9.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @9.1.3    4 weeks ago

And that has to do with.....?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.1.5  author  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.4    4 weeks ago

Bannon is GUILTY of Contempt of Congress for your attitude!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @9.1.5    4 weeks ago

More projecting, deflecting, denying, and lying.  

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @9.1.5    3 weeks ago

See how the poster at 9.1.6 is a fan of mine.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
9.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @9.1.5    3 weeks ago

And again, that has to do with....?  Oh.  That's right it's a deflection.  it has NOTHING to do with a goddamn thing I said. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @9.1.5    3 weeks ago

Pay no mind to JFNC or DOTW

They are the ones who project, deflect, deny, and lie.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.9    3 weeks ago

Have you ever cited any specific projection, deflection, denial or lie that I've written - no.  Baseless accusations that you copy n 'paste is what your good at.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
10  Just Jim NC TttH    4 weeks ago

60 seconds? She's full of shit

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @10    4 weeks ago

I hope they have more than Trump waited 187 minutes to act. They have us all excited about a criminal act.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.1.1  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    4 weeks ago

It took until well after midnight for Congress to reconvene and to complete their Constitutional duties after Trump's mob stormed the United States Capital in a violent insurrection Jan 6th, 2020!

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
10.1.2  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    4 weeks ago

What?  Only 187 minutes? On.  Gosh,  that's no time at all when you are rooting for them. 

If it's not criminal to foment an insurrection... and we think driving drunk is a big deal,  people on Cluster-Trumps level play for the big money....

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.1.3  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    3 weeks ago

Criminal Acts? Bannon is GUILTY and Michael Sussman innocent!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

Word just handed down. This will not be the final hearings. More will come in September - just before midterms.



Right from the horses mouth

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11.1  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @11    4 weeks ago

Good thing Merrick Garland is a lifelong old school Republican, Huh? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @11.1    4 weeks ago

Is that why both Obama & Biden chose him?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.1    4 weeks ago

Do you deny that Merrick Garland is a lifelong Republican?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
11.1.3  bugsy  replied to  JBB @11.1.2    4 weeks ago

So what?

Tucker Carlson is a democrat.

You love him now, right?

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
11.1.4  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @11.1.3    4 weeks ago

Tucker Carlson is about as far right wing as anybody can get.

He figured he could make more money lying to right wingers than to dems.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
11.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @11    4 weeks ago
More will come in September - just before midterms.

A final fatal bleeding grasp to distract from the shitty way Democrats have been running the country.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.2    4 weeks ago

Don't they realize how obvious it all is?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
11.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2.1    4 weeks ago

That's what happens when you let your emotions override common sense and logic.  We've been watching it happen since 2016.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
12  Right Down the Center    4 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
13  Just Jim NC TttH    4 weeks ago

He put a target on his own VP's back? Drama Queens one and all. Oh, that's right. These are the same people that swore to God that Sarah Palin putting a target on Arizona was responsible for Gabby Giffords getting shot.

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
13.1  Thomas  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13    4 weeks ago

Well, I guess that is better than holding a paper plate over your ass and saying "Hey, Baby. Watch this "

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
14  Just Jim NC TttH    4 weeks ago

And this woman is saying what he SHOULD HAVE done. LMMFAO

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @14    4 weeks ago

That's still not getting us to criminality

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
14.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1    4 weeks ago

Ex fucking zactly

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @14.1.1    4 weeks ago

I'm very disappointed.

Oh look another "Republican."

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
14.1.3  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.2    4 weeks ago

Steve Bannon is GUILTY and Michael Sussman is INNOCENT!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
15  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

The trolling is running wild on this seed. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
15.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @15    4 weeks ago

Now it is. Thanks for chiming in

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @15    4 weeks ago

I have questions, starting with post 7.

Nice to hear from you. I'm glad they took a recess so all the eyes could come unglued from the tv sets.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
15.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2    4 weeks ago

You're not going to get an answer to that because in reality NO it is not a crime.  But that won't stop them from setting their hair on fire and freaking out about it.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
15.3  pat wilson  replied to  JohnRussell @15    4 weeks ago

No, "trolling" implies some level of intelligence. Anxiety-ridden blathering is more like it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @15.3    4 weeks ago

As the insults arrive, I depart.

I've seen enough. 

Have a good night.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
15.3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.3.1    4 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
15.3.3  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.3.1    4 weeks ago

My comment to John was general in nature [Deleted]

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
15.3.4  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.3.1    4 weeks ago

You brought them. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
15.4  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @15    4 weeks ago

[If John has a complaint about trolling, he would do well to flag it.]

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
15.4.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @15.4    4 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
16  Just Jim NC TttH    4 weeks ago

Ensure the security of the capital grounds? LMMFA off. That belongs to the capital police and sergeant at arms not the PotUS

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
16.1  author  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @16    4 weeks ago

A President's oath/duty is to support and defend The Constitution!

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
16.2  Thomas  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @16    4 weeks ago

"Hmnmmmn. I am President. I told these people to be here.  Gosh! I wonder why? "

"Ohhhhhhh,that's right! "

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
16.3  Thomas  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @16    4 weeks ago

If he can't even secure the Capitol grounds.... Well, that doesn't sound good 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Masters Guide
16.3.1  Snuffy  replied to  Thomas @16.3    4 weeks ago

What organization is responsible for securing the Capital grounds, what branch of government do they belong to and who do they report to?

In going thru this site, I cannot find mention of the Executive Branch.  Perhaps you can find it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.3.2  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @16.3.1    3 weeks ago
In going thru this site, I cannot find mention of the Executive Branch.  Perhaps you can find it.

The PotUS is the head of government.   Ultimately he is responsible for the workings of the government.   If the PotUS is informed that the US capitol is under siege, do you expect him to say:

Well, gee, I do not see capitol security or 'talking down my supporters' as part of my job description so I will just ignore this.

In reality, Snuffy, in government and in business (and elsewhere even) authority and responsibility are delegated down the chain but those who do the delegating remain ultimately responsible and ultimately hold the authority to act. 

So if something in your realm of authority is not being addressed it is ultimately up to you to ensure that it is.    'The buck stops here' and all that.

In this case Trump was directly informed of the violence and criminal activity and was directly informed that it was his supporters engaging in this bad behavior and was pleaded, repeatedly, by advisors, family and 'friends' to act yet he did not tell them to go home until 187 minutes into the insurrection.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
17  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

Oh Recess!

Chaney says they have new info, but we have to wait until September.

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
17.1  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @17    4 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
18  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

I have a question for all the right wingers currently polluting this seed.  Trump watched the riot on television, knew it had turned violent, and yet did nothing , even though he was being asked repeatedly to send a messsage to his followers to ask them to leave the capitol.  Didnt Trump have a responsibilty, as president, to do everything he could to end the attck on the capitol?

There is a tweet that Trump made at 2:25, well after it was clear a riot was taking place and the rioters were trying to breach the congressional chambers. 

Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands truth!”

Trump sent that tweet , which was seen by thousands of the rioters, even though he knew that Mike Pence was in danger at that moment. This is blatant dereliction of duty. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
18.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @18    4 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
18.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @18.1    4 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
18.2  Thomas  replied to  JohnRussell @18    4 weeks ago

But, John,  then his supporters wouldn't have had the chance to succeed in overturning the legitimate election results. ....

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
19  author  JBB    4 weeks ago

For hours Trump continued to diddle and to cheer on His Mob...

Instead of telling His Mob that He summoned and He let loose to leave Trump Tweeted "Stay peaceful" and "Remain peaceful". Get It?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
19.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @19    4 weeks ago
For hours Trump continued to diddle and to cheer on His Mob...

Bullshit. He cheered/communicated nothing for over three hours. Isn't that the narrative? How can you transmit cheering on while sitting on your ass and not saying a damned thing?

This is still a LOT of hearsay...............................

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
19.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @19.1    4 weeks ago
He cheered/communicated nothing for over three hours

That is not correct.  At 2:24 p.m., while the riot was going on, Trump tweeted his famous tweet where he stated:  "Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done..."  That tweet can be seen as an attempt to further incite the mob.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
19.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @19.1    4 weeks ago

Are Trump's tweets and emails and phone calls and all the eye witness testimony hearsay? No, not by any definitions I know of!

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
19.1.3  Thomas  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @19.1    4 weeks ago

See 18.2.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
19.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @19.1.1    4 weeks ago
"That is not correct.  At 2:24 p.m., while the riot was going on, Trump tweeted his famous tweet where he stated:  "Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done..."  That tweet can be seen as an attempt to further incite the mob."

That's exactly what it was after he had incited his domestic terrorist mobs for months

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
19.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @19.1    4 weeks ago

Actually NO, that isn't the 'narrative' Jim. If you had bothered to watch the hearing, you would know that Trump was tweeting during that time.

Hell, anyone that doesn't know that Trump sent the following tweet is willfully ignorant:

2:24 PM [10 minutes AFTER the first insurrectionist entered the Capitol and 9 minutes AFTER Pence was removed from the Senate floor and the Senate was recessed] Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!

14 minutes later, Trump tweeted this: 

Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!

14 minutes after that, Trump tweeted this:

I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!

Trump's next tweet was 74 minutes later and it was his video. 

THAT is the narrative Jim. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
19.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @19.1.5    4 weeks ago
 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
19.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @19.1    4 weeks ago

Come on Jim.

You claimed that Trump didn't say a damn thing. I posted his tweets from that time period.

Are you still claiming it's a LOT of heresay? 

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
20  Thomas    4 weeks ago

The spell is still upon them.

It has not been broken.  

The dark lands are not bright.  

The Wraith screams his defiance 

Still holding many tight.

All of you stupid fucking assholes who deny the graveness of January 6th are the ones Still stupidly held tight. Release yourselves from the thrall and let the truth set you free.

Or else....

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
21  Hallux    4 weeks ago

Two of our fellow NTers from the once upon a time republican narrative don't really give a shyte if Donald goes down. In fact, they would like nothing more. That they are throwing slop into the wind is more likely out of a now decades old Skinner Box than anything else. Defending Trump must be a tiresome task and especially so when it involves cheering some "RINO" nonsense whenever one of them gets unceremoniously tossed under the proverbial thrump-a-thrump.

 
 
 
freepress
Freshman Silent
22  freepress    4 weeks ago

This is vastly worse than Watergate. As usual, you can see in real time how many Trump supporters and voters and mouthpieces and propagandists are pivoting their focus on other topics to deflect the base onto something else.

Perpetual blame gaming, perpetual victimhood, perpetual excuses and perpetual avoidance of any responsibility for the likes of Nixon, or Bush or Trump. Not their fault for standing by their man or voting for them or carrying their baggage? 

They are never, ever, ever going to admit any wrong for believing lies, spreading lies, or avoiding their votes for lies and liars.

All that is going to happen is the non-stop pivot to other topics and rage baiting as a deflection and every single solitary last Republican voter will do nothing but for all eternity check that "R" box at the ballot box no matter what lie or bad policy is being pushed on them.

They are a  lost cause and will always vote party line regardless. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
23  bugsy    4 weeks ago

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bugsy
Professor Participates
24  bugsy    4 weeks ago

nothing1985.jpg

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
24.1  author  JBB  replied to  bugsy @24    4 weeks ago

I do not want to hear any more bitching from you when I post memes! 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
24.1.1  bugsy  replied to  JBB @24.1    3 weeks ago

No, see....

My memes are humorous.......and true,

Yours?

Just dumb

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
24.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  bugsy @24.1.1    3 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
24.2  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @24    4 weeks ago

To deem the evidence presented by these hearings to be a nothing burger is staggering.   After all, one can illustrate the insanity of this using only evidence from the last session which shows that Trump knew his supporters were engaging in an armed breaking & entering of the US Capitol building and he refused all the pleas from advisors, family and friends to step in until 187 minutes after it started.

How can anyone deem it a 'nothing burger' for a PotUS to literally refuse to stop an insurrection of the US Capitol??

The question ... 'Is it a dereliction of duty and violation of the oath of office for a CiC/PotUS to refuse to take any action to curtail an insurrection of the US Capitol?' ... is one that (prior to Trump's Big Lie campaign) one would expect everyone to answer:  'of course'.

Not in Trump-land — an alternate reality where this (and much more) is collectively a nothing burger.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
24.2.1  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @24.2    3 weeks ago

We, this is an easy answer.

It's not Trump's job to stop a riot, especially one he did not instigate. It's not his fault a bunch of idiots did what they did. Bottom line is you hold THEM accountable for their actions, not Trump. It was the Capitol police. Because Pelosi failed to get National Guard there to protect the Capitol, much blame lies with her.

Most evidence shows Trump called for a safe and peaceful protest and memos from the Pentagon shows even Milley admitted Trump ordered the Capitol to stay secure and safe. Even if he went on TV to tell the idiots to stop right away, how many of them would know it because they were outside or in the Capitol?

Best guess?

Zero

Like I mentioned in a previous post.

When a leftist can show that another prominent leftist called for the condemnation of any riot in Summer of 2020 within a 187 minutes, and told THOSE idiots to stop doing what they were doing, even in federal buildings in Oregon, then I will condemn Trump for not doing anything within the 187 minutes.

You leftists can't have it both ways.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
24.2.2  Gsquared  replied to  bugsy @24.2.1    3 weeks ago

You reactionaries like to pretend that Trump didn't instigate the January 6th insurrection.  That's a pathetic joke.  No one with more than half a brain believes the reactionary B.S 

The phony propaganda that "Trump didn't do anything for 187 minutes" is more crap.  The facts show that he continued to incite his storm troopers during the riot.

You reactionaries can B.S. yourselves, but no one else is buying the reactionary fraud.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
24.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @24.2.1    3 weeks ago
It's not Trump's job to stop a riot, especially one he did not instigate.

Interesting.  The Capitol of the USA is attacked by an armed mob who break and enter the premises and disrupt the proceedings.  This mob was told by Trump to march on the Capitol.   Yet you actually argue that the president of the USA, the CiC, the person who is the head of government should not be asked to speak to his supporters and tell them to stop the insurrection because it is 'not his job'.    

This is your defense of Trump?   You think this makes any sense?   That anyone would be persuaded by such nonsense?

Advisors, family and 'friends' pleaded with Trump to take action.  He could have been on national media within minutes of deciding to do so.   He had the most powerful megaphone on the planet and was the top authority in government — the highest political office in our government ... the place where the buck stops.

Yet you claim it was not his job?    How does one even attempt to reason with such a distorted understanding of reality?

Even if he went on TV to tell the idiots to stop right away, how many of them would know it because they were outside or in the Capitol?  Best guess?   Zero

So your second pathetic defense for Trump is that nobody would have listened to the PotUS when he tells his supporters to cease and desist.   They will listen to him when he makes an outrageous lie that the election was rigged, that he won, that their votes were disenfranchised, that Pence was doing something wrong, etc.  but all of a sudden they will ignore his commands to leave??

... then I will condemn Trump for not doing anything within the 187 minutes

And now we have the third utterly stupid point.   You will condemn Trump for his failure, but only if you get someone to make a political concession?   Such a stark admission of pure partisan blindness.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
24.2.4  afrayedknot  replied to  bugsy @24.2.1    3 weeks ago

“You leftists can't have it both ways.”

Interesting take.

So you are equating any and all ‘leftists’ and your perceived lack of condemnation with the POTUS and his 187 minutes of infamy? That is quite the conflation, obfuscation, and deliberate deflection. 

You apologists can’t have it any ways. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
24.2.5  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @24.2.3    3 weeks ago

This whole post reeks of far left biases.

Nowhere am I defending Trump, you seem to want to claim that of everyone that does not think and bleet as you do.

I never said no one would listen to him if he went on tv. Of course, you being a far leftist, are being disingenuous with your accusations. Read the post again, as I can't help if you are unable to understand.

Also, you, being a far leftist, immediately ignore that Rump told his supporters to go peacefully to the Capitol. We understand that one little sentence blows away the group think of other far leftists.

Once again, when a high profile leftist such condemn the riots, murder, arson that happened during the 2020 summer, then I will condemn Trump for his 197 minute inaction.

The rest of your blather is not work responding to.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
24.2.6  bugsy  replied to  afrayedknot @24.2.4    3 weeks ago

Read my post [Deleted] above. The same applies to you.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
24.2.7  author  JBB  replied to  bugsy @24.2.5    3 weeks ago

If you think TiG is far left you must be off the rail far right!

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
24.2.8  Ender  replied to  bugsy @24.2.5    3 weeks ago
when a high profile leftist such condemn the riots, murder, arson that happened during the 2020 summer, then I will condemn Trump for his 197 minute inaction

What is really sad is the sheer stupidity in comparing the two events, like they were the same, or about the same things.

Willful ignorance.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
24.2.9  Ender  replied to  JBB @24.2.7    3 weeks ago

Somehow he thinks calling someone 'far left' is an insult.

I take that as a point of pride as it puts me in a camp so far away from these magats that they can only see poodle skirts and roller-skates with keys...

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
24.2.10  bugsy  replied to  Ender @24.2.9    3 weeks ago
Somehow he thinks calling someone 'far left' is an insult.

For those who know how to think, they, too, would feel the same.

No one with half a brain cell would consider themselves far left.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
24.2.11  bugsy  replied to  JBB @24.2.7    3 weeks ago
If you think TiG is far left you must be off the rail far right!

No, I am right on the money, like always. Most of those that lean left on here are truly leaning to the far left. Their posts prove it. We don't have to accuse anything.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
24.2.12  Ender  replied to  bugsy @24.2.10    3 weeks ago

So I guess it takes absolutely zero brain cells to be a magat.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
24.2.13  bugsy  replied to  Ender @24.2.12    3 weeks ago

Gee, Ender, when you post stupid shit, you don't play around, do you.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
24.2.14  Ender  replied to  bugsy @24.2.13    3 weeks ago

Hey, I follow the amount of stupid shit posted before me. Don't like the replies to stupid shit, don't post stupid shit.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
24.2.15  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @24.2.5    3 weeks ago
Nowhere am I defending Trump, you seem to want to claim that of everyone that does not think and bleet as you do.

Excusing Trump for not acting is defending Trump.   Who could possibly not see that?   Good grief man have you no shame?

... you being a far leftist, ...

And to further solidify your lack of credibility we have the above.    Although you probably think Cheney is a far leftist too ... "I see leftists everywhere...".   Suffice it to say, your comments are absurd.

The rest of your blather is not work responding to.

I doubt you are fooling anyone by refusing to deal with what I wrote and instead dismissing it as 'blather' as you run away attempting to hurl insults.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
24.2.16  TᵢG  replied to  JBB @24.2.7    3 weeks ago
If you think TiG is far left you must be off the rail far right!

I think that is part of it, JBB.   The other part, the main part, is that he is engaging in childish name-calling.   He knows that I find it offensive to label me as a leftist (or a rightie for that matter) so he is striking out at me in lieu of being able to offer a cogent, mature rebuttal.

It is like a child who has no rebuttal and thus calls his opponent a poo poo head and then leaves.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
24.2.17  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @24.2.9    3 weeks ago
Somehow he thinks calling someone 'far left' is an insult.

Given I am not 'far left' I find it offensive.   But I also consider the source.   Sometimes the offensiveness does not materialize because I am more entertained by the utter ridiculousness of a comment and just cannot bring myself to give the author any credibility or respect.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
24.2.18  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @24.2.17    3 weeks ago

I don't think it is offensive. I would rather be called left than a today's right.

I am not 'far' left yet to some of these people, anyone that goes against their idiotic ideas is a leftist.

 
 
 
bugsy
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24.2.19  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @24.2.15    3 weeks ago

What the hell do you think would happen if he said anything?

Absolutely nothing. The idiots that rioted on the Capitol did what they did because they wanted to, not because Trump told them to.

Now, post an exact quote of Trump telling those idiots to ravage the Capitol.

I already know the answer. You won't because you can't.

By meme with Cheney and the nothingburger?

Truer now than it was an hour ago,

BTW...By your posts and hatred of anyone not in lock step to loon leftists ideas, you have been fully identified as a far leftist. Not our fault you don't see it.

 
 
 
bugsy
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24.2.20  bugsy  replied to  Ender @24.2.14    3 weeks ago
on't post stupid shit.

You really should take your own advice.

 
 
 
Ender
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24.2.21  Ender  replied to  bugsy @24.2.20    3 weeks ago

Considering I never gave out any....

 
 
 
devangelical
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24.2.22  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @24.2.16    3 weeks ago

meh, from their perspective anybody 1 degree to the left of trump is far left...

 
 
 
bugsy
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24.2.23  bugsy  replied to  Ender @24.2.21    3 weeks ago

Well, you did, but you be you.

 
 
 
Ender
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24.2.24  Ender  replied to  devangelical @24.2.22    3 weeks ago

The funny thing is, I wouldn't even consider donald a right winger.

He is a con man that would pretend to be anything to further himself (and dumb assholes follow him without question).

Like with him courting the religious right. He is in no way a religious person yet he panders to them and tells them what they want to hear and they call him God.

Same with deep conservatives. All one has to do is say what they want to hear and they jump all over it, no questions asked...

 
 
 
Ender
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24.2.25  Ender  replied to  bugsy @24.2.23    3 weeks ago

Show me where I gave anyone advice. Point it out.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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24.2.26  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @24.2.19    3 weeks ago
What the hell do you think would happen if he said anything?

Another stupid question.   Trump told them to march on the capitol.   If Trump told them to stop there would be an immediate group (probably the majority) that would stop as soon as they heard him.   Others will take more time.  Some might not stop no matter what.

Your claim is that Trump telling them to stop would accomplish nothing.    Magically the Trump supporters who believe everything the liar states will all suddenly wake up and ignore him?   Give us all a break with such utter nonsense.

Now, post an exact quote of Trump telling those idiots to ravage the Capitol.

What a stupid demand;  I have not claimed Trump told them to ravage the capitol.    Get a grip.  

I already know the answer. You won't because you can't.

Well of course not, Trump never said that and I never said that he did.    Think, man.   I could just as easily tell you to deliver a quote where Barr states that he never told Trump that his claims were bullshit.    You won't because you can't.   But I would never do that because you never claimed otherwise.

See how this works?   Wait for someone to make a claim before demanding they evidence same.    

... you have been fully identified as a far leftist ...

Is it official now bugsy?    Such a pathetic act of futility.

 
 
 
bugsy
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24.2.27  bugsy  replied to  Ender @24.2.25    3 weeks ago

"Don't like the replies to stupid shit, don't post stupid shit."

Is this not you in 24.2.14? Looks like advice to me

Maybe a doppelganger?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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24.2.28  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ender @24.2.24    3 weeks ago

I agree, this con man has no ideology, religion or philosophy beyond self-enrichment and self-aggrandizement.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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24.2.29  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @24.2.26    3 weeks ago
Trump told them to march on the capitol.   If Trump told them to stop there would be an immediate group (probably the majority) that would stop as soon as they heard him.   Others will take more time.  Some might not stop no matter what.

Just a long way to say I am correct.

Your belief is that Trump told those idiots to march on the Capitol. That is correct, however, you keep babbling on that Trump was the cause of these same idiots to riot inside the Capitol.

THAT is where you are seriously wrong, and where your biases start.

Now, to repeat something that has been asked of you repeatedly.

Why has Garland not filed charges against Trump? I know you think he is just taking his time, but the end game of loons on left is to get Donald at all costs. If he is indicted on anything, a loon left jury in DC will easily convict him, so why not just do it. They will not need evidence. Just the fact that he is Donald Trump would be enough for them.

BTW...your little friends on here are not helping you one bit. Might want to tell them to scurry off.

 
 
 
bugsy
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24.2.30  bugsy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @24.2.28    3 weeks ago

He does, but that does not mean he should be held responsible for a bunch of grown assed adults who made their choices and need to live with them.

Those who hate Trump simply because he is Trump can't seem to get that through their thick skulls.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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24.2.31  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @24.2.29    3 weeks ago
Just a long way to say I am correct.

So you think my comment means:  "What the hell do you think would happen if he [Trump] said anything?  Absolutely nothing."?    Desperate much?    Hint:  you are demonstrably wrong.

Your belief is that Trump told those idiots to march on the Capitol. That is correct, however, you keep babbling on that Trump was the cause of these same idiots to riot inside the Capitol.

Well I have not actually stated that here, but the evidence does indeed indicate that Trump is culpable ... that his words encouraged his supporters to do what they did.   I do not think anyone has suggested that Trump wanted his supporters to literally break and enter the capitol, but one would have to be truly blind to not recognize that he absolutely inspired them to fight for what is right.   There is video proof of supporters stating that they engaged in their activities because that is what they thought Trump wanted.   So, in summary, regardless of Trump's intent, the evidence thus far suggests that his words were a critical component of the insurrection.

Why has Garland not filed charges against Trump?

Good grief, you really need to find a new question.    Nobody knows except Garland.   

I know you think he is just taking his time, but the end game of loons on left is to get Donald at all costs.

I do not know why.   I can only speculate.   In response to stupid questions like yours, I have speculated.   That is the best I can offer.

If he is indicted on anything, a loon left jury in DC will easily convict him, so why not just do it. They will not need evidence. Just the fact that he is Donald Trump would be enough for them.

So what are you trying to say ... that Trump really is innocent ... that Garland does not feel he has a strong case?   

BTW...your little friends on here are not helping you one bit. Might want to tell them to scurry off.

I recommend you ease back on your trolling a tad.

 
 
 
bugsy
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24.2.32  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @24.2.31    3 weeks ago

Look, it is well known that your mind is made up that Trump is guilty of everything under the sun...just because his name is Donald Trump. Nothing will ever change that thought process.

The problem is your little last resort to get Trump called the January 6 commission has absolutely nothing on him.

It is well known that those on the commission made up their minds, like you, that Trump was guilty, even before the hearings started. I understand they are not a trial, but by not letting dissenting voices that have come forward speak publicly, and edit their recorded testimony to make it look like they said something they did not, shows the hatred of Trump and has nothing to do with the actual reason for the failure of the security of the Capitol.

Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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24.2.33  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @24.2.32    3 weeks ago
Look, it is well known that your mind is made up that Trump is guilty of everything under the sun...just because his name is Donald Trump. Nothing will ever change that thought process.

You have already demonstrated that you are no authority on how I think and what I believe.   Cut the personal crap and try to make an argument.

The problem is your little last resort to get Trump called the January 6 commission has absolutely nothing on him.

That is really an incredible thing for someone to write.   

It is well known that those on the commission made up their minds, like you, that Trump was guilty, even before the hearings started.

You know bugsy, it was obvious before the hearings started that Trump engaged in a two month con-job where he lied to the world that the US electoral system was rigged and that his supporters were disenfranchised.   It was also known that Trump did not tell his supporters to go home until hours after the insurrection started and that he knew that they had broken and entered the building.   The committee is providing testimony that fleshes this out.   The question really is how you could possibly not see this.

I understand they are not a trial, but by not letting dissenting voices that have come forward speak publicly, and edit their recorded testimony to make it look like they said something they did not, shows the hatred of Trump and has nothing to do with the actual reason for the failure of the security of the Capitol.

You have the option to evaluate each under-oath testimony by high-ranking, connected Republicans who have compromised their careers by testifying.   You can factor in that there is likely other evidence that would be presented by a Trump defense team, etc.   Why would you reject these testimonies and not include them into your base of working facts?

 
 
 
Gsquared
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24.2.34  Gsquared  replied to  bugsy @24.2.32    3 weeks ago
Chuck Schumer

Reactionaries blame Schumer because on January 6th he was... the Senate MINORITY Leader.  Think about that one.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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24.2.35  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @24.2.31    3 weeks ago

Bug is never correct and is making shit up. I pay no attention to his deflections and dog whistles

 
 
 
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24.2.36  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @24.2.15    3 weeks ago

Credibility?  jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

That was never in question.  There is absolutely ZERO

That one just makes up shit and lies and insults.

The arrogance and ignorance is trumpturdian in its magnitude

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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24.2.37  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  bugsy @24.2.30    3 weeks ago

Agree.

 
 
 
bugsy
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24.2.38  bugsy  replied to  Gsquared @24.2.34    3 weeks ago
Reactionaries blame Schumer because on January 6th he was

Yea I admit I made a mistake with that one.

McConnell was the mnjority leader and I believe he, too was in dereliction of duty to protect the Capitol, just like Pelosi.

They wanted the riot to happen/

 
 
 
bugsy
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24.2.39  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @24.2.35    3 weeks ago
I pay no attention to his deflections and dog whistles

But yet you respond to almost all of them.

Woof woof

 
 
 
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24.2.40  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @24.2.36    3 weeks ago

Please stop PNing me. I have told you several times [deleted] is not my type.

Why do you want to date me????

 
 
 
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24.2.42  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  bugsy @24.2.40    3 weeks ago

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Dismayed Patriot
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24.2.44  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @24.2.32    3 weeks ago
your mind is made up that Trump is guilty of everything under the sun

So let's take all the facts that the January 6th commission has revealed and just flip the script.

What if it had been Hillary Clinton in 2016 that refused to concede and continued to claim that the election was stolen and claimed widespread voter fraud (without evidence) claiming old white racists were voting multiple times and their dead relatives votes were being counted and President Obama himself was pushing these claims and refusing to start the transition of power to Trump who was officially called the winner. Obama and Hillary then spent nearly two months with numerous press conferences challenging the election results in multiple States, filed nearly 70 lawsuits with virtually all of them being thrown out for lack of evidence. And Obama was tweeting almost daily about the huge fraud committed by Republicans and how they were trying to destroy America. Then a close advisor of Obama's got in contact with two left wing extremist militia groups and coordinated with them to come to Washington for an upcoming rally before the election certification.

Then on January 6th, 2017 President Obama and Hillary Clinton held a "Stop the Steal" rally a few blocks from the Capital where the VP Biden was about to certify the election results and Obama and his attorneys were pressuring Biden privately and publicly to reject the electors and accept fake electors giving the win to Hillary. At the rally Obama and Hillary whip the liberal crowd into a frenzy, a crowd they knew to be armed, and told them to march to the Capital to "Stop the Steal" and told them "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore,". He even tells them that he and Hillary will be joining them at the Capital to stop the certification.

Then, after the rally, the large armed crowd flying Hillary and Obama flags marches to the capital and begins attacking capital police, beating them with flag poles, seriously injuring over 150 officers, breaking into the capital building, vandalizing the building and interior, breaking through doors, chasing, with zip ties in hand, legislators who were planning to certify Trumps 2016 election victory, calling to hang Joe Biden for refusing to stop the election certification calling him a traitor even though he was Obama's VP, the insurrectionists coming within 40 ft of a fleeing VP and his secret service detail who were so fearful for their lives some called home to say their goodbyes.

During this attack President Obama was in the white house dining room watching the live footage of the chaos and violence being caused by his and Hillary's supporters and as everyone is desperately trying to get him to come out and tell the crowd to stop and leave the capital and allow the peaceful transfer of power he waits for over 3 hours apparently hoping that his supporters/insurrectionists he had incited can get the job done and stop the certification of Trumps election win. Then after 3 hours, when its clear the attempted insurrection had failed, Obama comes out in a video to tell the crowd to go home, but that he understands their pain and that they are good people that he loves them.

Is there really any conservative Republican who wouldn't be demanding both Obama and Hillary's arrest if those were the facts presented? Would any of them be questioning whether a crime had been committed? Or at the very minimum a complete and utter dereliction of duty. Would any of them not be calling that an attempted insurrection perpetrated by leftist Democrats? Would any of them be criticizing the committee investigating it claiming there should be more pro-Obama legislators invited so they can attempt to muddy the process and hinder the investigation with constant complaints and a cooked up alternate narrative that the Obama attorneys come up with to try and pin the blame on a handful of left wing extremists like ANTIFA and claim Obama had nothing to do with it and that it wasn't really his responsibility to keep the capital safe even though he was the sitting President at the time of the attack and the attackers were flying "Obama" flags as they beat capital police unconscious? Really?

If any right wing conservative has even an atom of honesty left in them they know how they would have reacted to those facts. But lets be honest, facts don't matter to some in this deeply partisan divided America, some are likely disappointed that the insurrection failed. Thankfully, facts and reality do still matter to many, even republicans like Liz Cheney, but to those who have been so convinced of their own righteousness and so convinced of their opponents evil and corruption, facts and reality aren't worth any more than the dirt on their shoes and would likely only lead to headaches in the minds of the poorly educated and easily indoctrinated right wing religious conservatives.

I think few right wing religious conservatives accept any news anymore that doesn't come from their extreme rightwing biased sources which is how they can live in such a backwards alternate universe where clearly being a hypocrite is seen as a good things as long as they see it as a win for their side of the culture war. With liberals and progressives, they have the mostly non-partisan news (AP, Reuters, BBC, PBS) and their more leftwing partisan opinion news like MSNBC and CNN. With right wing religious conservatives, they accuse the mostly non-partisan news outlets of being far left extremist 'MSM' and thus they reject pretty much anything left of Fox News which has become their 'most moderate' source of news even though it's clearly miles right of center.

If this were a teeter totter you'd have the majority of Americans (60%+) spread pretty evenly from just right of center all the way to extremist left. Then you'd have this pile of about 36-40% of Americans way out on the right well past the middle point between center and right wing extremist that have barricaded themselves away from any and all information and media that doesn't continually reinforce their right wing ideology and religious conservative universe. Anything that doesn't make them out to be the heroes and demonize their mortal enemies, the supposedly godless secularist liberals and progressives, is considered "fake news" and rejected out of hand.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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24.2.45  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @24.2.44    3 weeks ago

Nice post, but you're dreaming if you think Bugsy cares about even one sentence of that. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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24.2.46  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @24.2.45    3 weeks ago

Well hopefully there are still some on the right that can be reasoned with by putting the facts in a context they could imagine. Perhaps that would trigger some epiphany, but you're probably right, those that don't live in reality anymore simply aren't capable of thinking, rationalizing and reasoning for themselves, they are compelled like a mindless drone to support their Orange Hulk and can but give one brainless response to facts and reality, "Trump Smash!".

 
 
 
TᵢG
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24.2.47  TᵢG  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @24.2.44    3 weeks ago

I agree with JR, your post is very likely to not even be read.

The opening (extreme nonsense) quote you provided suggests that your intended reader is not likely to consider your comment objectively.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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24.2.48  TᵢG  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @24.2.46    3 weeks ago

By the way, I offered the same basic scenario to the same individual only I used Biden instead of Clinton. 

I doubt you will get a response, but if you do I will be fascinated by it.

 
 
 
Dulay
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24.2.49  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @24.2.38    3 weeks ago
McConnell was the mnjority leader and I believe he, too was in dereliction of duty to protect the Capitol, just like Pelosi.

At this late date, anyone who still thinks that the Speaker of the House or the Majority leader of the Senate are responsible for protecting the Capitol is willfully ignorant. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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24.2.50  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @24.2.44    3 weeks ago

The same scenario was presented by   [removed]    yesterday, but nowhere near as long and boring.

I answered the two questions as my opinion,    [removed]

It might behoove you to read my reply to him and apply it to your post.

 
 
 
bugsy
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24.2.51  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @24.2.49    3 weeks ago

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TᵢG
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24.2.52  TᵢG  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @24.2.46    3 weeks ago

Well there you go DP.    The response was that your post was 'boring' (and that you also will be spewed with emotional name-calling and labeling).

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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24.2.53  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @24.2.52    3 weeks ago

I doubt anyone likes their faces shoved in their own hypocritical shit piles...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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25  Drinker of the Wry    3 weeks ago

I'm danger close on tickets this month so I won't describe here what she did on chat with me.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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25.1  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @25    3 weeks ago

Let me guess--based on experience.

References were made regarding something along the lines of "go fuck yourself" or "go suck off somebody"? Perhaps something about your mother or wife?

 
 
 
bugsy
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25.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @25.1    3 weeks ago

Usually that plus the normal "racist white boy".