Public schools in the state of Texas must display a sign with the national motto, "In God We Trust"
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A law passed by the Texas Legislature in 2021 states that public schools in the state must display a sign with the national motto, "In God We Trust," if it's been received as a donation from a.. .
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Forcing folks to be religious - thats a new low.
orcing folks to be religious - thats a new low
Take it up with Congress.
Sure is. Congress literally made it our national motto. And somehow our national motto is too offensive to be displayed in schools? But progressives don't hate America, I'm constantly told.
Kinda fitting that it is the motto of money...
Does your money offend you?
What kind of off the wall question is that?
Money is what is worshipped. Even by preachers in their million dollar mansions telling their flock they need another Learjet to spread the word...
How is it off the wall? I answered your post directly. You seem to have a problem with the word "God" on your money, so why have it if it is offensive?
Where did I say I had any problem? I made a simple statement and you jump to conclusions....
Do you suppose gluing a dollar bill to the front door would suffice?
Well, it's not really new. It's been a way of life for centuries for many religious fundamentalists of all stripes.
You know it’s been on the money since like, the Civil War, right?
It's amazing what some fools wanted during that war, and Lincoln approved it - fools!
Ok, well almost anything on the money is unnecessary. My point was not that it’s necessary, but that the practice of government spreading that phrase around is very old. Making it controversial now is just kind of ignorant.
Apparently prior to 1957 we didn't have it.
When did "In God We Trust" first appear on U.S. paper money? - CoinSite
It appeared on US coins starting late in the Civil War.
T'was Ike, not Abe, different war, different strokes...
OK some coins, the 2cent piece, large silver dollar, 3cent silver and half dime.
All of which were eliminated by the Coinage Act of 1873 which applied the motto to all coins going forward.
But not paper currency.
Taco's "the money" lacked specificity, lol.
My point has been that Texas didn’t invent this idea last week. Government has been throwing around this phrase (and others like it) for a long time. But it’s so non-specific from a religious standpoint that it’s not seen as the government “establishing” a religion.
Generic, non-denominational religious ideas and expression have been a feature of our government from the very beginning. One of the first things the House and Senate did was to appoint their own chaplains to lead those legislative bodies in prayer, so the impulse was there for the founders and not just something we suddenly embraced in the 1950s.
You do have to admit that it is a "clever" reach around to try to avoid the separation of
state and church issues.
Even though it is at this point vague, you can almost hear the satanists
calling the ACLU for equal treatment of properly framed and donated posters depicting
another belief system.
That is all it is. No matter how people try to frame it as non denominational or whatever, that is the gist of it.
We might look at it that way today (well, some of us anyway) but I doubt the founders or first Congress thought they were being clever or getting around anything.
The thing is, even a Satanist believes in God. It sort of goes with the whole idea.
Agreed, they were all deists.
Seems like there is a lot of misinformation as to what exactly a satanist is.
"In God we trust" is implicitly Abrahamic. Most satanists do not believe in Christ
or even the devil. They are self worshiping atheists at best, a quick look across the
internet shows that not even satanists agree on much.
Several significant ones were; Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Monroe. They believed that human reason was capable of solving social and political problems. They believed that one supreme being created the universe to to run on "natural laws".
They also believed that Christianity didn't require governmental help to find practitioners as it was doing fine on it's own.
It seems that despite the amount of engraving that went into our first coins and paper currencies reflecting a Freemason influence, the FF never sought to include religion in the legal tender.
It’s honestly not something I would even think to do, and if they had asked me, I would have said not to do it.
Does anyone really think that these signs wont be "donated" to every public school in Texas ?
You would prefer that the school districts spend money on them?
I have no idea.
Or spending taxpayers dollars on...
Yet Florida is 'upset' over a donation of dictionaries to 3rd graders.
I wouldn't know but wait let me deflect too...
Yet Minnesota is 'upset' over the normalization of racial discrimination by the Minneapolis teachers union.
I've come to the conclusion that you don't understand the concept of deflection.
Here, let me see if I can help.
My comment is about donations to schools, as was yours.
Your comment was a deflection to a completely different topic.
No, the topic was Texas schools but thanks anyway.
Are you and yours celebrating 'Overt obtuseness' day?
Never heard of it, is that a holiday that you celebrate?
No, I witness it here far too often, as illustrated by your comment.
Yes, I'm sure you're an expert on those kinds of comments. (Off topic) Did you ever get your aquaponics system up and running?
An expert consumer, not an expert practitioner.
The aquaponics system was up and running for 2 years with good results [enough tilapia and produce for the family] but when I shattered my ankle, I couldn't keep up with it.
I'm sorry to hear about your injury, although I think it's great that you were able to get it going and make it productive for you and yours. I hope you're able to start it up again sometime soon.
If it bothers you that much I suggest you don't move to or spend any money in texas.
And now someone is going to challenge that new law as different qualifying posters are being rejected
for "obvious reasons".
Southlake schools rejects ‘In God We Trust’ signs featuring rainbows, Arabic (msn.com)
There was a book years ago by Sam Levinson(?) titled, "IN GOD WE TRUST, ALL OTHERS PAY CASH"
I remember a lyric from an old Dixie Chick song, "More steeples than trees."
It is Texas. Wouldn't give it the time of day. Texas isn't even a democracy. OIL money and MAGA pockets. Let them bleed.
That name is politically incorrect.
I'll bet they even have to fly the Stars and Stripes.
I find this story to be much ado about nothing, and here is why.
Pretty much all religions, with the exception of liberalism, have some sort of deity they worship, so these signs do not narrow things down to just one religion, In the contrary, it is all inclusive of all religions.
The religion of Liberalism/progressive worship politics and hatred of anyone that does not comply to their beliefs. No deity needed.
What about in the Devil we trust? What about Satanists?
Why does this apply to only public schools?
In essence, the devil is a deity that some worship. No different than a god, so "In God we trust" can mean pretty much anything worshiped or believed in.
"Why does this apply to only public schools?"
Probably because the state government only has control of public, state run agencies. Much like the federal government can't make private companies do certain things.
Ok, the flying spaghetti monster. There might not be any pics, just an artists rendering.
Just a thought...If they are forced to put up a sign that was donated, what is to stop others from doing the same? Why should one slogan be allowed and not another....
Because the state mandated what is allowed and it has nothing to do with one religion over another, as some religion haters think.
Nudge Nudge wink wink, say no more
Well, that was weird...but I don't fly that way.
I know you are not going to respond to this because of your fear of getting embarrassed once again, but here goes anyway,
Where in the hell did I post that this issue has nothing to do with religion?
“Because the state mandated what is allowed…”
It is beyond me that so many do not see the inherent danger and eminent discrimination that is imbedded in handing over to an individual state the rights and freedoms that should be…must be, inclusive; that is if we are indeed meant to be a United States.
No discrimination because the state is not advocating any one religion.
"In God we trust" is inclusive to all religions because all religions worship some sort of entity, or god.
"In God we trust" is inclusive to all religions because all religions worship some sort of entity, or god…”
Perhaps the most disingenuous comment imaginable….and that is saying something given the chatter hereabouts.
“Which religion?”
Perhaps the second most disingenuous comment imaginable…and even worse just for the lack of originality.
Probably the three monotheism religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. [removed]
Inclusive of at least Jewish, Christian and Islamic faiths.
Please...in your ":wisdom", inform us of what I posted in disingenuous.
What commonly recognized religion does not worship a type of deity, god, or other type of being? If it is worshiped, it is a god.
“If it is worshiped, it is a god.”
Lowercase is all good. Don’t be daft and just quit with the histrionics when we all understand just who the uppercase ‘God’ represents there in Texas.
Nice insult, but I'm sure it will be let go.
Now, go through every religion in the world and prove Christianity, as you were alluding to, is the only religion that capitalizes the "G" when referring to their god.
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Good point, it leaves out Roman religion believers.
Exactly, same reason as they capitalize Black but not white there.
“Exactly,”
Some things are indeed self-explanatory, whether they be right or wrong…but to ignore the circumstance is even worse.
What have I ignored?
Not a thing.
To offer up a defensive reply is often times an unintended acknowledgment of a some times subtle or some times purposely antagonistic opening statement…that wouldn’t apply to you now wry, could it?
How did my question confuse you, the punctuation mark at the end was meant as a clue?
And Norse, And Hindu, pagan, Wiccan... The list is long and the point made by afrayedknot stands. Even in the Abrahamic religions, the name is different. So God with an uppercase "G" is really only Christian and Judaic.
Not confused at all…just seeing that the posit had, and continues to have, demonstrable merit.
Oh my, probably a good example of why we don't want a pure democracy where majority rules.
Since you let it go by not flagging it, why shouldn't it be?
I would like a little more representation in my democracy, meaning that out of all the possible issues and candidates, we are roped into two or three choices, running on a platform that has been chosen not by the people who are voting, but by the political machines which are currently driving wedges between us for the pure reason of we have something they want: our votes.
After the machines have separated our votes from us, they have little need for input and they run away, claiming "mandates" from "the people " , to do seemingly whatever the machines think will garner the most votes in the next election, and then they will make up some more bs for the voters to be riled up about. All of this occurring on a plane just slightly removed from reality and with the majority of people saying, "That's not what I voted for. "
In AA they advocate for "a God as you understand it". In other words god is just a "higher power" that you lean on when you feel out of control. Could be a rock at the end of your driveway if thats what brings you serenity. One interesting thing I learned from my dui
Agree.
Southlake schools rejects ‘In God We Trust’ signs featuring rainbows, Arabic (msn.com)
The new law states they must be accepted and displayed.
Another bit of the Legislature's time wasted?
New signs for the same school district were rejected
because the 11 school system already has enough posters./s
Southlake schools rejects ‘In God We Trust’ signs featuring rainbows, Arabic (msn.com)
The state law says they must be accepted and displayed. No exceptions.
Today the same group whose posters were rejected,
filed suit that the currently displayed posters, in fact, do not meet the current
state requirements.
Evening..
Umm why do you want to put that on schools?? Churches or religious buildings fair enough...but schools..sorry don't quite get it... anyone??
In God we trust.. but trust what?? I trust myself, family and friends, never even thought of God being in the picture...
Because while Australia got the petty prisoners who managed to pull themselves together, the US got the religious fanatics who can't quite seem to manage it, and who aren't able to see the irony of this law in the face of our First Amendment, which forbids the establishment of a religion by government.
“…who aren't able to see the irony of this law…”
While too many claim the DOJ has become ‘weaponized’, those same folks are all too comfortable weaponizing the First Amendment.
Ironic indeed…and even more dangerous.
The irony is that it was the motto of 125th Pennsylvania Infantry in the Civil War. Pennsylvanians lobbied to include the motto on coins and as one of his last acts before assassination, signed it in to law.
Well we certainly got the better deal with our convicts then in that case...they only lobbed down here because you mob kicked the Poms (Brits) out so they decided to off load them Down Under..
And we haven't looked back since..
Evening Drinker..crikey the Civil War maybe it is time to update it...
Could be, it became a National Motto in the 1950's, Do y'all still use "Advance Australia" as your unofficial model?
I've always liked Spain's national motto, "Further beyond" , I'm not sure what it means but it has always sounded cool to me, like "To Infinity and beyond".
Being part of the CoE school system, the prisoners you got Shona, were mostly political ones from Ireland who wanted independence. That is the big difference. Sandy nailed it.
I always find it amusing that we can constantly try to assail the 1st Amendment but never the second. That one must have come from god/ sarc.
It's a shame it replaced E pluribus unum, which had existed before as a de facto official motto. That was far more meaningful.
Wasn't that in New South Wales, not all of Australia? I think that I read somewhere that about 20% of today's Australians cane trace ancestry back to those original convicts.
How many Americans, do you think can trace the ancestry back to the Pilgrims or Puritans? Or did the religious fanatics that you were thinking of, come over in our second wave of European Immigration, when in the 1840's and 50's, Irish, German, and Scandinavian immigrants arrived, the Catholic fanatics. Then again, maybe it was the third wave that you find most troublesome, when 100 years ago Italian Catholics and Easter European Jews began showing up.
Could Be? You know damn well that "In God We Trust" became our national motto in the 1950s as a middle finger to the godless atheistic communists of Russia and China as a part of the "Red Scare" propaganda campaigns. For a nation ostensibly founded on religious freedom there have been few politicians who stood up to the Christian majority. We all still regularly see and hear supposedly cognizant educated Americans pronouncing that, "America Is A Christian Nation". Jesus Christ would hate that.
Morning Drinker...Advance Australia was around but not heard or seen it being used for a long time now...
We don't really have a National Motto...
I guess I could start one..
Eat more Vegemite and everything will be right..
They are the foundation of this country's beliefs. And at the time of the Civil War, there were still many of them that were influential in government. The waves of immigrants were viewed as vermin and had no influence on government at all.
Would he? Why would you believe that?
Just had my English cousins over here and they brought Marmite and converted my daughter and SIL. I still can't eat the stuff, but I do love kippers for breakfast.
No not all of Australia got convicts mainly New South Wales and Tasmania... Norfolk island was also a convict settlement...
Morning..no that's not quite correct...only 10% of convicts sent here were of Irish decent and only some for political reasons...
Apparently my great grand father in England was a Quaker but somewhere along the line became C of E...so not sure what went on there..
Maybe he saw the light??
The Dutch were the first Europeans to land in Australia followed by the Spanish who sailed through Torres straits and mapped many islands. Rottnest Island off the coast of Perth WA is a Dutch name meaning ''rats nest''...
In 1794 the Brits started killing times of the original people of Australia. State-sanctioned massacres of the natives for sport.
Having a tinnie is much better, shona.
I've been an agnostic since I was a young teenager although someone on NT further defined me as a agnostic atheist. I don't mind bowing my head politely at a funeral when a prayer is said, or kneeling during part of a Catholic wedding or wearing yarmulke when entering a synagogue with friends. I see this little gestures as paying respect to the beliefs and cultures of my friends.
The term "America Is A Christian Nation", is unimportant to me, I like my history a little deeper than a slogan. America has never been a Christian nation in the sense that Iran, Saadia Arabia, Yemen are Islamic nations, or trying to control religious practices like some nation, China, USSR, NK, Cuba, etc..
If the slogan is meant to recognize our founding 13 colonies belonged to the British Empire, whose king presided over an imperial church, then yes, we once lived under Christian rule. Now with our independence, came liberty from the British monarchy and legally we celebrated religious freedoms.
Marmite is horrible..
It's poor man's Vegemite...no comparison.
Your quarantine guys at border control should have confiscated the Marmite and incinerated it..should never been allowed into the States or anywhere else...the world is suffering enough...second thoughts maybe send it to Russia.
LMAO!!!
No influence? As a NY'r, you should learn about Tammany Hall, and Irish Catholics and how it became a urban model for Democratic Party bosses and machines. After the NYC mayoral election of Fernando Wood, that Party became adept at using patronage to build a loyal, powerful political machine. In the coming years, those urban machines learned how to exert significant influence in state and federal politics.
Not quite, Native American religions were outlawed. It wasn't until 1978 that the American Indian Religious Freedom Act was passed that we actually had freedom of religion.
Morning Shona,
You might laugh, but I am surrounded by Quaker meeting houses and 2 Quaker schools (Friends Academy). It's where the uber affluent send their kids when they don't want them to be in our very excellent public schools. Most of the Quaker schools have hardly any Quaker children in them. Another irony.
Isn't it amazing how those little European countries traveled around the world.
Mankind can certainly be cruel and murderous.
I am talking about the foundation of this country and religion, not what happened in the years before. Of course, I know about Tammany Hall. It is viewed as a disgrace among NYers and democrats alike.
Thanks shona, I forgot Tasmania but had never heard of Norfolk Island until now. You given me a new reading assignment.
The Brits excelled in it.
What is more amazing is the Polynesians sailed the vast pacific a thousand years before the Europeans.
Exactly, everyone knows that there is no remaining patronage and nepotism in NYC.
And we still don't bloody learn...
Still fighting over religion, land and anything else that some damn drop kick decides he has visions of grandeur...
The human race just never learns..
And on that note I must away it's early Sunday morning and the cat is grumpy.
I am keeping it awake...and in that I trust..it will bite me soon.
Good night and sweet dreams, shona.
Exactly, just like in every other state.
You got that right, I greatly enjoyed reading Kon-Tiki when I was a kid. More recently I found a copy of We, the Navigators by David Lane. It is both an adventure story and a lesson in ancient sea navigation. Fascinating.
In the late 1990s or early 2000s, the Samoans sailed from Apia Samoa to Hawaii using only their knowledge of the stars and their ability to read the waves. No modern-day navigational aids at all, only their ancient knowledge and landed within one mile of their destination in Hawaii.
My "could be" was in reply to shona's suggested that "maybe it is time to update it...".
How come you always seem so angry? Consider going over to Zambo Aroma tonight for some music, drinks, food, and more at Soul Juice Live. Relax and vibe out with people enjoying the aromatherapy and visuals with a live band. Join in on the creative environment.
Much like many comments found here.
In God We Trust became officially the US national motto in 1956, almost certainly as a "response" to the Cold War expansionism of the atheist Soviet Union.
2,500 miles on open water while I rely on GPS enabled, map based navigation tools to travel over recognizable terrain features. Although back in the day, I was pretty damn good with a lensatic compass and a 1:50,000 map sheet.
'In God We Trust' ... the Russians are coming,the russians are coming! Somehow I think 'E Pluribus Unum', a fave saying of the Founding Fathers, had more to do with defeating America's enemies throughout its history. One of the oddities of 'In God We Trust' is that it was used by both sides in the Civil War.
Why Texas is 'abandoning' its State motto 'Friendship' is beyond me.
Of some note is only 3 of the 50 states mention God in their mottos.
Texas is being invaded by leftist Californians, NY's, and illegal immigrants. That can strain the 'Friendship' of anyone.
Surprised they didn't opt for "Don't tread on me!" Complete with timber rattlesnake.
“In God We Trust” or “E Pluribus Unum”? The American Founders Preferred the Latter Motto | Origins (osu.edu)
I usually not a big fan of farce but that movie mad me laugh out loud, great cast and plot.
We were all as different back then as were our favorite/formative armchairs.
True, the year that movie come out:
Sam Younge Jr. a Navy vet was murdered for trying to desegregate a "whitres only restroom.
LBJ pledge to stay in Vietnam un till communist aggression there ends.
... and Lenny Bruce died.
Good add, and a sad story drugging oneself to death.
In the opinion of the Supreme Court (reiterated multiple times), the motto “In God We Trust” is not considered religious. Basically, it’s too vague. It has secular value, and thus appears on currency, because it acknowledges the historical truth that belief in God has been important for our culture since before the country was even founded.
The opinion of the SCOTUS? - maybe previously, but now....
Texas: leading the pack in aggressive stupidity. If only Uvalde would have had one of these … then the sky fairy would have stopped a massacre.
Hasn’t California had about twice as many mass shootings as Texas?
No, Texas had twenty one compared to twenty in California.
Measured per capita Louisiana had the most with sixteen...
Number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and July 2022, by state
Here is a link that is actually responsive to the question of SCHOOL shootings.
States With the Most School Shootings (usnews.com)
Note, since 1970, CA has had 157, TX had 126.
So, no, CA has not had twice as many.
You don't like Statista.com? Is the Rockefeller Inst of Gov any better? CA Percent of Incidents 15.59% Texas Percent of Incidents 6.47%
It's not about liking or disliking data; it's about citing data that is actually responsive to the predicate of the posit, which is what I did.
The comment that I replied to was:
it's about citing data that is actually responsive to the predicate of the posit, which is what I did.
Is the obtuseness in that comment intentional?
Could you please restate your question cogently?
No.
No, that must be from your confusion, I was neither insensitive, slow to understand you nor speaking of angles between 90 and 180 degrees.
There is no confusion on my part.
You comment own refutes that claim.
The 'sky fairy' was not the predicate of the posit, the school shooting at Uvalde was.
Your reply in 13.2 proves that you recognized that fact, though you tried to deflect to all mass shootings. When your deflective data was called out, you deflected further to 'sky fairy'.
Your comment was either obtuse, disingenuous or both.
Given that the original comment was:
How did you determine what Hal's predicate was?
I would tape a dollar to the blackboard and be done with it.