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Did the FBI sit on Burisma Evidence?

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  6 years ago  •  115 comments


Did the FBI sit on Burisma Evidence?
Let me say first that I think that report describes conduct that I consider unacceptable and unrepresentative of who I know the FBI to be as an organization. It cannot be allowed to happen again....Director Chris Wray - congressional testimony

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Now that we are learning more about the e-mails that appear to belong to Hunter Biden, the focus turns to the FBI. It seems that the FBI has had the hard drive in it's possession for almost a year. They had it in December when the President was being "impeached" for an inappropriate phone call concerning matters related to that very hard drive. So why haven't we heard a thing about it from the FBI?

I borrowed the title above from a recent post by Bill O'Reilly, which poses the question regarding the troubled agency.



That brings us to what is going to be done about it? Senator Ron Johnson has sent a letter to FBI Director Chris Wray asking for a confirmation or denial about this hard drive. He is giving the Director a Thursday deadline for a response.

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There is also the predictable attack on the messengers. The New York Post, the nation's fourth largest newspaper, is a credible source of information and their story does come with corroboration. 

"One of the recipients on an email chain with Hunter Biden that was published earlier this week has authenticated the document, Fox News reported. The email in question, which is dated March 13, 2017, purportedly shows a business partner of Biden’s discussing “remuneration packages” for participants in a deal involving CEFC China Energy, a Chinese energy company that was owned at the time by Ye Jianming."

https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/17/hunter-biden-email-reportedly-authentic/

Yet social media has censored the Post and it's story. Congress will deal with that outrage this Friday.

Also under assault is the President's loyal friend for the past 30 years, the finest Mayor NYC ever had, the man who broke the Mafia and served in the Justice Department for 17 years - Rudy Giuliani. He has been repeatedly investigated and smeared simply for being the President's point man. Last night Mr Giuliani told Mark Levin that Hunter Biden's attorney called the store owner who obtained the hard drive and asked that it be returned to Hunter Biden. That was on the day the Post broke the story. That sounds like an admission to me. We also learned that the store owner made 4 copies of the hard drive. The original went to the FBI. Of the copies - one was for the New York Post, one was for Mr Giuliani and two were secured in secret locations in the event something "happened" to the store owner.



The most ominous part of this story is Biden's China connection. We learn that money from the regime that gave us covid may have lined not only the pockets of Hunter Biden, but even Joe Biden.



I leave it to our readers as this story inescapably continues to develop.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

Good Morning and welcome to day 5 of the non-denial stage of the Hunter Biden e-mail saga.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2  JohnRussell    6 years ago

It's sad that all your hopes for a second term for Trump seem to hinge on this discredited story taking hold. How the mighty Trumpsters have fallen. 

Some reporters withheld their bylines and questioned the credibility of an article that made the tabloid's front page on Wednesday.

The New York Post's front-page article about Hunter Biden on Wednesday was written mostly by a staff reporter who refused to put his name on it, two Post employees said.

Bruce Golding, a reporter at the Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid since 2007, did not allow his byline to be used because he had concerns over the article's credibility, the two Post employees said, speaking on the condition of anonymity out of fear of retaliation.

Coming late in a heated presidential campaign, the article suggested that Joseph R. Biden Jr. had used his position to enrich his son Hunter when he was vice president. The Post based the story on photos and documents the paper said it had taken from the hard drive of a laptop purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden.

Many Post staff members questioned whether the paper had done enough to verify the authenticity of the hard drive's contents, said five people with knowledge of the tabloid's inner workings. Staff members also had concerns about the reliability of its sources and its timing, the people said.

The article named two sources: Stephen K. Bannon, the former adviser to President Trump now facing federal fraud charges, who was said to have made the paper aware of the hard drive last month; and Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president's personal lawyer, who was said to have given the paper "a copy" of the hard drive on Oct. 11.

Mr. Giuliani said he chose The Post because "either nobody else would take it, or if they took it, they would spend all the time they could to try to contradict it before they put it out."

Top editors met on Oct. 11 to discuss how to use the material provided by Mr. Giuliani. The group included the tabloid veteran Colin Allan, known as Col; Stephen Lynch, The Post's editor in chief; and Michelle Gotthelf, the digital editor in chief, according to a person with knowledge of the meeting. Mr. Allan, who was The Post's editor in chief from 2001 to 2016 and returned last year as an adviser, urged his colleagues to move quickly, the person said.

As deadline approached, editors pressed staff members to add their bylines to the story -- and at least one aside from Mr. Golding refused, two Post journalists said. A Post spokeswoman had no comment on how the article was written or edited.

Headlined "BIDEN SECRET E-MAILS," the article appeared Wednesday with two bylines: Emma-Jo Morris, a deputy politics editor who joined the paper after four years at the Murdoch-owned Fox News, and Gabrielle Fonrouge, a Post reporter since 2014.

Ms. Morris did not have a bylined article in The Post before Wednesday, a search of its website showed. She arrived at the tabloid in April after working as an associate producer on Sean Hannity's Fox News show, according to her LinkedIn profile. Her Instagram account, which was set to private on Wednesday, included photos of her posing with the former Trump administration members Mr. Bannon and Sarah Huckabee Sanders, as well as Roger J. Stone Jr., a friend and former campaign adviser to Mr. Trump. (In July, the president commuted the sentence of Mr. Stone on seven felonies.)

Ms. Fonrouge had little to do with the reporting or writing of the article, said three people with knowledge of how it was prepared. She learned that her byline was on the story only after it was published, the people said.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2    6 years ago

So, as we see here, the New York Post has it's own scandal. 

Everything Trump touches dies.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    6 years ago
So, as we see here

As we see here - you most likely didn't read the article or listen to the two lengthy videos.

Hopefully our readers take the time. It is interesting.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    6 years ago

Your denial is of epic proportions. 

Donald Trump is literally the worst person in the history of national U.S. politics, and yet some of his fans have had their lips surgically affixed to his butt. It is inexplicable. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    6 years ago

Name them for us.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    6 years ago

Imagine the very publication that took an oath to oppose the President and has printed more lies than even the Gateway Pundit is criticizing the Post?

As you like to say - that's laughable!

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
2.3  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    6 years ago

So the New York Post is owned by Robert Murdock,  and rates far Right-Center biased.  I've pasted the link & a couple of notes from mediabiasfactcheck on the Post. From the reading not something I would sole-source for news.

However,  once again the New York Times comes out with a story fed by anonymous sources. While the Times has been vetted as Left biased but mostly true I have to wonder just how accurate that rating is. IMO the Times has been very hard-core anti-Trump since he took office.  They post too many stories from anonymous sources for me.

In review, the New York Post tends to publish stories utilizing sensationalized headlines with emotionally loaded wording such as “Cop cold-cocks unarmed man ‘acting irate’ at restaurant”, and “It’s time for Bill Clinton to take a walk in the Chappaqua woods.” The New York Post also republishes news from other sources such as the least biased Associated Press. In general, more stories favor the right, but the NY Post does not shy away from reporting negative coverage of the right, if it is a big story. They also tend to source their information properly, however many times the headline misleadingly exaggerates the actual story they are reporting. Overall we rate the New York Post on the far end of Right-Center Biased due to story selection that typically favors the Right and Mixed (borderline questionable) for factual reporting based on several failed fact checks. (7/16/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 7/13/2019)

 
 
 
zuksam
Junior Silent
3  zuksam    6 years ago

Let's put aside the Hard drive and Emails. Imagine if Trump's kid was hired for a job that they weren't qualified for in the Ukraine and was paid a crazy amount of money. Then imagine Trump used his power as president to muscle the Ukraine government to get a Prosecutor (who just happened to be going after Trump's kid's bosses) fired. What do you think the Left Wing Media would be saying if this were the scenario? What do you think the FBI would be doing? Now let's introduce the Hard Drive and Emails, what do you think they'd be saying and doing now? Do you think there'd be an investigation? Do you think they'd try to impeach Trump? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  zuksam @3    6 years ago
What do you think the Left Wing Media would be saying if this were the scenario? What do you think the FBI would be doing? Now let's introduce the Hard Drive and Emails, what do you think they'd be saying and doing now? Do you think there'd be an investigation? Do you think they'd try to impeach Trump?

They would be going out of their minds. The FBI would have them investigated, indicted and convicted in record time - if for nothing else - for not declaring being an agent of a foreign government. They might even send out an enormous swat team to bust into one of the President's children's homes at dawn with CNN on site to cover it. Of course there would be another 'impeachment" of the President, again with the stipulation by Christmas.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  zuksam @3    6 years ago
Imagine if Trump's kid was hired for a job that they weren't qualified for in the Ukraine and was paid a crazy amount of money.

Trump's  unqualified kid wasn't hired in Ukraine, she was hired in Washington D.C. and is a Senior Advisor to the President of the United States .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3    6 years ago

I beg to differ in that his kids are qualified. His son-in-law brought peace agreements to the middle east - something the elite foreign policy experts have failed at. In addition none of the President's children are decedent drug addicts.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.3.3  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.1    6 years ago

Yet, all of Trump's kids are prohibited, for life, from serving on the boards of non-profits!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.3.3    6 years ago

His kids aren't acting as unlicensed agents of foreign governments.

If you can't defend Hunter the drug addict or Joe the senile without drawing invalid comparisons, it tells me that Joe Biden is going to have a tough time dealing with this.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.5    6 years ago
I heard Don Jr. uses coke and his father is an adderall junkie. 

That sounds like a New York Times piece!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.3.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.1    6 years ago
I beg to differ in that his kids are qualified.

Ivanka is a crook who barely escaped prosecution for fraud in relation to the SoHo Trump project. She is also known for copying apparel and shoe designs from other more profitable companies. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.7    6 years ago

Sorry John, Ivanka is not on trial here. Believe it or not it's about that whopper Joe told us and - btw - his selling out of the US to China.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Participates
3.3.9  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.4    6 years ago
His kids aren't acting as unlicensed agents of foreign governments.

Really?

Really?

Really?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.3.9    6 years ago

Um-hum and here's something else that's real - "(Oct. 18, 2020) — CBS News political correspondent  Ed O’Keefe  said  on Sunday morning’s “Face the Nation” that beginning on Monday, Democratic presidential candidate Joseph R. Biden “will not be seen again until Thursday night.”


 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Participates
3.3.11  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.10    6 years ago

Your point?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.3.11    6 years ago
Your point?

That just like his defenders, Joe Biden has no answer for this and will now vanish until Thursday. Thursday is the deadline for an FBI response, according to Sen Ron Johnson.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
3.4  Colour Me Free  replied to  zuksam @3    6 years ago
What do you think the FBI would be doing?

Think 'we' already know .. all one has to do is look back to the Steele Dossier and FISA warrants ... information does not have to be true, nor independently verified before being used by the FBI (depending on who the information is about) or reported on by the American free press - it just has to be click bait.

I have no clue if these emails are real or not .. but I feel it should be investigated beyond Russia Russia Russia...  Putin has died and gone to heaven with all the power he and his Motherland have been given over the US (real or imagined) .. Russia Russia Russia .. that is all it takes to send the dogs after a new squirrel....

Peace

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  zuksam @3    6 years ago
Imagine if Trump's kid was hired for a job that they weren't qualified for

We don't have to imagine it.

imagine Trump used his power as president to muscle the Ukraine government

" we are almost ready to buy more Javelins  from the United States for defense purposes."

"I would like you to do us a favor  though" "here’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son"

Now let's introduce the Hard Drive and Emails

You don't have to, Putin did that for you.

Do you think they'd try to impeach Trump?

He was already impeached for trying to use his power to muscle the Ukraine government.

You have ZERO facts to back up this supposed Biden email scandal. The emails have not been verified other than by some anonymous source Fox won't reveal.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.5    6 years ago
You don't have to, Putin did that for you.

Are you admitting they are real?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.5.2    6 years ago

They could be both, right?

Suppose Russia hacked them and gave them to the store owner?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
3.5.5  Colour Me Free  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5.1    6 years ago

No, just admitting that Putin is the boogie man.  Russia did it!   Have you ever wondered how it is that H. Clinton spent around a million (+ or -) dollars on Facebook ads ... yet .. Russian disinformation purchased roughly a100k in ads yet influenced an American election in favor of Trump?  Our elected officials [media] need to quit giving Putin so much power!  With zero facts a counterintelligence investigation was launched in search of a crime regarding collusion with Russia by the Trump campaign ... a Steele Dossier was used by the media and FBI as fact .. pee tape ring a bell .. but Biden emails .. hmmmm .. dismiss them - gotta be fake...?

Americans will NEVER know the truth .. media is now opinion based reporting, elected officials do not know truth, only spin.. why worry about Russian disinformation when 'we' have our own disinformation problem in main stream media .. unnamed sources, individuals familiar with the situation say - disclaimers of the information being reported has not be independently verified ... truth be damn'd just make it up'ish no one will do their research to see if the information is reliable .. just parrot it.  Both sides of the aisle are doing it .............. so it must be okay ...?

I still wanna know how Obama could know that Russia was allegedly meddling in 2016 but do nothing til December of that year - why was there no counterintelligence investigation..?  : )

Peace Vic ..... 2020 has been a real doozy!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Colour Me Free @3.5.5    6 years ago

Well said.  Yes sir, there is nothing like rational analysis.


Peace Vic ..... 2020 has been a real doozy!

None of it should have happened in the US.

Peace

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.5.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5.1    6 years ago
Are you admitting they are real?

Does a hard drive exist? Most likely. Is it Hunters? No verifiable evidence proving it is. Could the Russians have fabricated the whole thing in an attempt to get Trump re-elected? Well of course they might have and it's been shown this is a Russian misinformation campaign they have been feeding to gullible morons here in the States for months.

So no, I do not think this is really Hunters hard drive or emails. The FBI has had it for almost a year and if they can't conclude that it is Hunters then I fail to see how a bunch of half witted conservative keyboard warriors are going to do so.

Also, the timing of this supposedly "new" information and the Fox anonymous source supposedly verifying some of the emails three weeks before the election is just way too suspicious. If they actually came out with some verifiable facts instead of all this blustery conjecture then maybe I'd give it more credence, but as it is it's obviously just a pile of shit desperate conservatives are flinging at the wall hoping anything sticks.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.5.7    6 years ago
Could the Russians have fabricated the whole thing in an attempt to get Trump re-elected?

I don't really think they are involved, but let's also consider that they could have done what Assange used to do. Get the real info and release it. Stolen or hacked e-mails are just as real as they would be if a drugged up drunk Hunter Biden drops them off and forgets about them.

It's funny that you would entertain the idea that the all powerful Russians would use false information. Maybe because that's what happened with the Steele Dossier (the greatest of all pieces of disinformation).

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.5.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5.8    6 years ago
I don't really think they are involved

Of course you don't even though all of our intelligence agencies say they were in 2016 and are again in 2020.

 they could have done what Assange used to do. Get the real info and release it.

Or they could, as they have done before even with the email dump to WikiLeaks, get the "real info" and release them along with fake emails and scandalous claims that create a Frankensteins monster of disinformation.

Stolen or hacked e-mails are just as real

No, they are not, because once stolen and in the hands of Russian propaganda operatives they can no longer be trusted, the chain of evidence has been broken, and those who believe it as fact are the exact gullible morons Russia has been hoping for.

It's funny that you would entertain the idea that the all powerful Russians would use false information

Why is that funny? Putin and his regime are fucking criminals. They assassinate journalists, dissenters and political opponents, they stuff ballot boxes, they lie, cheat and steal, they invade sovereign nation neighbors and steal their land and assets, they ARE OUR ENEMIES! Why some seem to want to downplay all that and get cozy with those slimy pieces of filth is truly strange, but I guess for some being an American patriot doesn't matter as much as getting a political "win" so they willingly sell out their nation. Those folk are traitors in my book, giving aid and comfort to our enemies, so fuck them, I hope they get rounded up and charged with treason.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
3.5.10  Colour Me Free  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5.6    6 years ago
None of it should have happened in the US.

Agreed .... for decades so many things should not have happened in America - seems as though 2020 has become the conduit to amplify/magnify the worst .. yet the best of America always finds a way to shine through...!

Peace

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.5.9    6 years ago
Of course you don't even though all of our intelligence agencies say they were in 2016 and are again in 2020.

Fox News has just received the receipt from the store owner with Hunter Biden's signature. Are you sill going to say it was Russia!


No, they are not, because once stolen and in the hands of Russian propaganda operatives they can no longer be trusted, the chain of evidence has been broken, and those who believe it as fact are the exact gullible morons Russia has been hoping for.

There are things so damning, the last thing anyone would do is take the chance of adding something that could shoot it all down. Progressives specialize in dismissing a mountain of truth because somebody left out a theme song.


Why is that funny?

Because, it is becoming more evident by the day that Russia has nothing to do with this. We are still waiting for Joe Biden to address it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Colour Me Free @3.5.10    6 years ago
. yet the best of America always finds a way to shine through...! Peace

I have my fingers crossed

Peace

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.5.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5.11    6 years ago
receipt from the store owner with Hunter Biden's signature. Are you sill going to say it was Russia!

Of course they will. They think yelling Russia is a get out of jail card to avoid bad news. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.5.13    6 years ago

Adam Schiff has used it constantly and he is again leading the charge.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

This just in:

"Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe said Monday that Hunter Biden's laptop "is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign," despite claims from House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff to the contrary.

"It’s funny that some of the people who complain the most about intelligence being politicized are the ones politicizing the intelligence.  Unfortunately, it is Adam Schiff who said the intelligence community believes the Hunter Biden laptop and emails on it are part of a Russian disinformation campaign ," said DNI Ratcliffe to FOX Business' Maria Bartiromo on Monday morning. 

“Let me be clear: the intelligence community doesn’t believe that because there is no intelligence that supports that. And we have shared no intelligence with Adam Schiff, or any member of Congress ... Hunter Biden’s laptop is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign," continued Ratcliffe."


 

 
 
 
zuksam
Junior Silent
4.1  zuksam  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    6 years ago

In his defense Adam Schiff thinks he is the Intelligence Community, he also thinks he's Intelligent but he's wrong on both counts. So again the Democrats prove that every bad thing they accuse Trump of doing is actually what Democrats are doing. Adam Schiff the Democrat's Czar of False Propaganda and Disinformation.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  zuksam @4.1    6 years ago

They love to hide behind Russian involvement. It must be so convenient to declare any bit of info one doesn't like Russian "dis-information." Still waiting on Schiff's famous proof of collusion.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  zuksam @4.1    6 years ago

One thing is very clear. Adam Schiff is so obsessed with "Russia" that he sees "Russia" around every corner, under every table, and behind every curtain. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    6 years ago

Neither John Ratcliffe or Maria Bartiromo are credible sources of information. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    6 years ago

Last time I checked John Ratcliffe was the Director of National Intelligence.

Ms Bartiromo  is the recipient of an Excellence in Broadcast Journalism Award (1997), Lincoln Statue Award presented by the  Union League of Philadelphia  (2004),  Gracie Award , for Outstanding Documentary (2008), [28]   Emmy Award  for Outstanding Coverage of A Breaking News Story (2008) [29]  Emmy Award for Outstanding Business and Economic Reporting (2009), [30]  In 2011, she was the third journalist to be inducted into the Cable Hall of Fame. [7] [31]


 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.2    6 years ago

So the last time she was sane was 10 years ago. Not a surprise although her submission to trumpism post 2016  took her to a lower place. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.3    6 years ago

All that smearing is really irrelevant, John.

Facts matter:

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.4    6 years ago
He's a tRump lapdog.

Speaking of lapdogs, this just in:

"Presidential Debate Commission Ditches Foreign Policy Focus Following Hunter Biden Laptop Leaks" 

https:// thenationalpulse.com/news/president ial-debate-commission-ditches-foreign-policy-focus-following-hunter-biden-laptop-leaks/

Any doubts about whether the debates are in the tank for Biden are now long gone!

"Looks fair to me" said no one ever!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.2.9  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.6    6 years ago

Color me not surprised!  Trump can still hold Biden's feet to the fire with the foreign policy issue, because it's related to Covid, national security, and leadership, which are three of the topics.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.2.9    6 years ago

It sounds like he'll go in a bit less aggressive this time. I think he learned the old boxing adage about letting the challenger come after the champ.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.7    6 years ago
You won't get any facts from Fox 'news'

Oh dear!  You mean I wasted all that time?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.8    6 years ago
How could the debates be in the tank when it was the 'president' who said he wouldn't do any more debates?

Is that what he said?  I thought he said he wouldn't do a remote debate via the internet?

No more debates, huh?  They better tell him before Thursday.

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Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.2.13  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.12    6 years ago
Is that what he said?  I thought he said he wouldn't do a remote debate via the internet?

You're correct, Vic. In fact, Trump said he wanted even MORE debates, especially when the left-wing debate commission that's in the tank for Biden moved the goal posts over the 2nd one, bogusly claiming Covid safety.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.2.13    6 years ago
specially when the left-wing debate commission that's in the tank for Biden moved the goal posts over the 2nd one, bogusly claiming Covid safety.

Funny how that fact got lost in the shuffle.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.15    6 years ago
What fact?

The one you won't acknowledge - that the debate commission is the one that changed the rules for debate # 2.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Expert
4.2.19  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.18    6 years ago

Seems that is not so in this case. Deeeeeflection

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
4.2.22  Colour Me Free  replied to    6 years ago
Did anyone anywhere really need to be subjected to what transpired in debate # 1?

Awww come on razing .. that debate was comedy gold - even SNL could not duplicate it ... 10 minutes in I got ahold of Repo : ) he had already turned it off!  That is the power of choice and fresh batteries in the remote ... no one need be subjected to anything they choose not to be : )

I will be watching .. neither candidate knows how to debate, nor answer a question without spin ...... sadly! but alas I think we all need to see the spectacle that is American politics

If only the American people were not so herd mentalified [new word] and thought for themselves rather do what the party [D and R] talking heads say to do .. we could have a Buttigieg on that stage and learn what a real debate is ... a true debate has not been had in decades among presidential candidates...

Hope you are well my friend .. as is the family - I have missed reading your words ...

Peace 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
4.2.24  Colour Me Free  replied to    6 years ago
seeing your post today brought a welcome smile...it has been a minute waiting in anticipation

Haha!  

The entire clan is actually all together

Very cool .. I know how much family means to you.  this is definitely a time in history to embrace our loved ones...

Peace, indeed.

If the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain can normalize relations with Israel .. there is still hope for Peace in America...

Hugs!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.25  author  Vic Eldred  replied to    6 years ago
Properly so.

Both sides should have been a part of how that was done. They put up a barrier in the VP debate. That would have worked.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Participates
5  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    6 years ago

Where is the rest of the letter, including the signature and the embossed Senate seal?    

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5    6 years ago

You'll have to do your own research.

If you are calling it a fake, I think it's going to come back to haunt you.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Participates
5.1.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    6 years ago
You'll have to do your own research.

You have presented your contribution as an article, not a seed.  It is your responsibility to provide your readers the information necessary to verify the information in your 'article'.  

Just for your information, ALL official Senate correspondence must be printed on official stationary using the appropriate seal for the circumstance, especially in an official investigation.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.1    6 years ago

That letter is real.

Let's put our reputations on the line.

If it's fake I leave NT. If it's real you leave NT.

Deal?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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5.1.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    6 years ago

Wow.  I'm just a little old lady. [DELETED]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.3    6 years ago
Wow.  I'm just a little old lady.

You are being modest.


Now post the rest of the damn letter, including a verifying link, or delete this 'article'. 

I have. Let's stop the trolling - NOW

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    6 years ago
That letter is real.

I don't doubt it, but it doesn't prove anything. All it does is ask questions and state irrelevant facts as it tries to further the Russian misinformation campaign. I hope Ron Johnson is getting a check from the Kremlin as he seems to be doing their bidding.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.5    6 years ago
All it does is ask questions

They are questions that should have been asked & answered this past December. 

Valid questions.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5.1.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.6    6 years ago
They are questions that should have been asked & answered this past December. 

And you have no evidence that they weren't. The FBI doesn't simply release all the conspiracy theories it has debunked or the process by which they were investigated and found to be either insufficient or bogus. The fact that the FBI has had this stuff since December 2019 and hasn't seen fit to make public statements or announce any charges proves this is just another nothing burger wrapped up in a new "October Surprise!" wrapper and re-sold to the gullible dumb shits who can't get enough rotted Russian meat.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.7    6 years ago

Then they can dispense with it immediately.

All they have to do is tell us if that really is Hunter Biden's hard drive. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Expert
5.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.7    6 years ago
The fact that the FBI has had this stuff since December 2019 and hasn't seen fit to make public statements or announce any charges proves this is just another nothing burger wrapped up in a new "October Surprise!" wrapper

You have no idea what the FBI is doing...........by your own admission there. Have you seen any reports FROM the FBI one way or the other? Yeah. Me either.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5.1.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.9    6 years ago
Have you seen any reports FROM the FBI one way or the other? Yeah. Me either.

No, which is why I remain extremely skeptical of the right wing claims with zero evidence backing it up three weeks before election day. It amazes me that those on the right aren't skeptical of this spurious accusation but claim everything coming from white house insiders, former employees and anonymous sources close to the President who have told us the President called our soldiers "suckers and losers" among many other testaments to his unfitness for office are just "unfounded rumors". How they can gobble up this supposed "source" from Fox and proclaim this is a smoking gun when it's not even been proven to be a gun let alone smoking is just a sad example of bitter conservatives desperation.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Expert
5.1.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.11    6 years ago

Didn't say I wasn't skeptical. If it's bullshit, the FBI should come out and say so to squelch all of the talk and bluster. If it's indeed true, they will keep their respective mouths shut until such time as the deem it true or untrue.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

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There is the signature

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Participates
6.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    6 years ago

Seal, please.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @6.1    6 years ago

It's sealed with a kiss!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Expert
6.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @6.1    6 years ago
Seal, please.

256

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Participates
6.1.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.2    6 years ago

I'll up that cutie all day long.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

Download the PDF of the letter from: 

It's too bad we can't get people to put their reputations on the line when they challenge others on simple widely known facts .

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    6 years ago

I'm afraid that link will also not be satisfactory, because the US Senate's raised seal isn't on it. Many people don't know about this US Code when it comes to copies:

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Participates
7.1.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.1    6 years ago

Jasper, you just gave us all the reasons for the seal not to be displayed on that document...that fake document...  Even Rudy draws a line as to how far he is willing to go for Donald Trump. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7.1.1    6 years ago
.that fake document..

It is real and you even got a link in post 7

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.1.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7.1.1    6 years ago
Jasper, you just gave us all the reasons for the seal not to be displayed on that document

That's correct, because it is against the law. The code is very clear and straightforward. The same applies to the seals of the POTUS, VPOTUS, and HoR:

(c)  Whoever , except as directed by the United States   Senate , or the Secretary of the   Senate   on its behalf, knowingly uses , manufactures, reproduces , sells or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seal of the United States  Senate , or any substantial part thereof , except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

18 U.S. Code § 713.  Thank you.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
9  Split Personality    6 years ago

A Senator cannot force the executive branch to do  squat.  Rob might as well stand on a corner and wave that letter around.

Only the president can order or request an investigation, and 2 weeks before an election? 

Order an investigation into your opponent or his kid?  The optics are not on his side.

But who knows, Trump shatters all the norms.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @9    6 years ago
Rob might as well stand on a corner and wave that letter around.

What letter?  I've been told it's fake.

 
 

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