Lists & Censorship
As the president-elect calls for unity the left wing of his part is making lists. On November 6th Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tweeted:
"Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future."
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Others have followed her lead and there is a significant effort from progressives to carry out punishment and retribution against Trump supporters and associates.
Evan McMullin - who ran as a spoiler candidate against Trump in 2016:
"We should keep and publish a list of everyone who assists Trump's frivolous and dangerous attacks on the election, Name and shame forever."
Jenifer Rubin of the Washington Post:
"Any [Republican] now promoting rejection of an election or calling to not to follow the will of voters or making baseless allegations of fraud, "should never serve in office, join a corporate board, find a faculty position or be accepted into 'polite' society. We have a list."
So Americans are now facing retribution for their political beliefs?
Is that what progressives are now doing to America?
On Twitter the newly formed "Trump Accountability Group" has begun to target Trump campaign workers, Republican National Committee staffers, individuals with "affiliated organizations," Trump political appointees, and major Trump donors and bundlers.
Jack Dorsey
Meanwhile Twitter has begun to add messages to posts such as when the President tweets "People will not accept this rigged election" we find a notation in blue stating: This claim about election fraud is disputed. Funny that Twitter doesn't/didn't do the same with the myriad of disputed and far more egregious openly false claims we were subject to during the last four years. Twitter has notoriously blocked a news story from the New York Post and has since declared the story unblocked. Jack Dorsey does it all with apologies to no one.
Censorship and retribution is common in many totalitarian governments, such as North Korea and communist China and the old Soviet Union. Many people in these censored/controlled societies live isolated, sheltered lives, ignorant of alternative ways of life and thinking. Some of them survive that way. You see, when you never give a political opinion, never discuss politics at work or anywhere in public and teach your children to do the same, one may feel safe. When you bow to the intimidation and take the knee for BLM, one may feel safe. Never watching cable news may help. It's how many in totalitarian regimes live normal lives...I call it a monastery of the mind. I'm afraid it has infected our nation.
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Those who though a vote for Biden would be a return to normalcy is deluding themselves.
The only bigger dweebs than AOC are her voter base that got her into office in the first place and then reelected her.
Oh No! That would be Trump's sycophantics....
no shit. trump clearly lost 2020 by more than he won in 2016, and look at how he and his supporters are acting out. no skin off my ass, but each day it continues to diminish a senate majority and 2024 trump campaign. you forgot to mention how the lincoln project was censored for listing the attorney phone numbers involved in all of trump's frivolous state by state election fraud lawsuits. trump lost, get over it.
Evil deeds will be called out here!
Thanks for the help.
no problem. zero for 10 on the voter fraud lawsuits so far. 71 days to the loser's eviction.
I'm with you on that - It's right out of Hillary's sleaze guide - NEVER LEAVE EVIDENCE!
And there won't be any.
Did Hillary not advise Biden to not concede "no matter what"?
Why do I believe that you would not be saying what you are saying today if Trump were called the winner when all the votes had not been counted?
Oh, wait...we know the answer.
There won't be any because there isn't any, unlike the Trumper who requested an absentee ballot for his deceased mother where there is evidence.
I'll be sure and tell everyone concerned.
One could also say those who voted for Trump were delusional. Funny how that works.
You mean one could easily say that the moon is green?
Notice I offered substance, you didn't.
No, you didn't. You simply made a biased assumption.
No one was affected by the insane polling or all the rioting?
You are sure on that?
just the usual gullible morons that let paranoia dictate their emotional decision making process.
So, no one was influenced by the ideologues who fudged their own poll numbers or the left wing animals who rioted for 6 months....
It's truly astounding.
I just told you who was influenced, trumpsters, bible thumpers, and tea party terrorists.
Gee...I thought their votes were going to Trump anyway?
Let's do a little thinking, shall we? The Trump haters & progressives were committed to getting rid of Trump. His supporters were committed to four more years of his policies.
The only people to be influenced were in between.
It's pretty obvious to the rest of the world, and about half of the American population, that Trump and his administation (especially Barr and Pompeo) are doing everything in their power to sabotage a new administration to make it as difficult as possible for them to return America to normalcy.
I think it was Leon Trotsky who once asked where name appeared on a list. The answer would be "first!" In the case of the two you named - they along with Mike Pence would appear at the top of any Trump-hater's list. I can figure it out quite easily. It's those who served the administration best that get put on a list. As far as a new administration seeking normalcy, they are not going to get much from an administration that was born under fire and got not a moment's peace. The Biden team should feel good that there won't be any FBI agents walking in to frame their national security advisor. I'm sure the Biden team has already reached out to world leaders like every incoming administration does.
It's strange that I've been in China for more than 14 years, have met people of all walks of life, and I have yet to find someone who is unhappy with their way of life, from simple dirt farmers selling thier veggies on the street to educated professionals. And by the way, almost everyone watches cable TV and can watch the news from America, and even FOX NEWS isn't blocked on the internet here. Poverty is almost completely eliminated and everyone has a decent roof over their heads, food on the table, free education for their kids through high school graduation, excellent healthcare - not exactly what fuels a revolution. It sure is a pleasure to live among happy people. So how are things going in the USA these days?
I guess you could call it a subtle version of Mao's "long march." The west coast is kind of like the "Jiangxi Soviet." A Senate runoff election in Georgia will determine if we also will give everything up to become a state where the government provides and we all surrender our freedoms of speech & thought. The funny thing Buzz, is the things you seem to like about an authoritarian regime are lacking the only desirable element.
Free speech? The right to vote? Can Americans not realize that not everyone in the world wants to be like Americans? Why is it so important to be like an American? Do you think I want to go to the City Hall Square and stand on a soap box with a bullhorn telling people they can't possibly be happy unless they have free speech and the right to vote Xi Jinping out of office? I would be laughed at (notwithstanding probably deported back to Canada). What you fail to comprehend is the the culture here is different from that in the USA. The people are happy, and they neither need nor want more. Why is it so fucking important to Americans that everybody has to be just like them? Right now I really doubt that the Chinese people WANT to be like Americans and surely you should be able to understand why.
You are the one who brought the subject up - Didn't you say everything is wonderful there and ask how's it going here? Because you see all the division? Ya, we have progressives here. I wish I could send them over. They are always unhappy. Maybe if they go to a country that is happy just to finally have food on the table they'll feel somewhat better, but I'm sure within no time they would be complaining about something over there.
Next will be the Trump Accountability Re-education camps.
We aren't far off.
Those 4 comment are compatible...Like minded individuals
What's hilarious is that AOC is simply calling for the words of Trump and his peons to be archived so we can show what they said long after the election is over, just like those words from dictators are still remembered decades later because it's important to remember what vile piece of shit despots and authoritarians say so you never forget how insane they are. She isn't calling for anyone to be censored, shes calling for their words to be remembered which is the opposite of what this ridiculous seed is claiming.
And the protests were peaceful/s
yeah, like loyalty affirmations and signing non-disclosure agreements ...
Like the left!
You bet....And CNN & MSNBC called them "largely peaceful"
And don't forget we went from that to the Biden victory call for "unity." Funny what a few days can do? They are taking down the plywood now in blue cities.
One of them is a lot better looking than the other three. I will agree with that.
And which one would that be?
AOC is a cutie. I think you know that Vic. Think of the lust all those evangelical preachers that call her names secretly have for her.
Really? Tell me about them. Who are they?
I said all didnt I ?
That would be a massive generalization, along with a baseless allegation.
Did you ever answer TiG's question?
LOL.
I don't know about a formal list, but those who collaborated with trump on illegalities should be kept in mind when talking about their futures in politics.
Yes or No....It has nothing to do with legal questions it has to do with serving in his administration.
Showing that rampant TDS amongst the left will never, ever, die.
If you think Trump is a fascist dictator; then you don't know what a fascist dictator is.
Try going and living under a real one for a while. You wouldn't have lived long under the others in your picture; but yet here you are still breathing under Trump.
Heard a story on the radio this morning about a guy that had to get a restraining order against his Biden supporting neighbors because they have been harassing him and his family because they're Trump supporters. Crazy...
Crazy or just plain hate? Hate acquired at our universities.
I read an article about that. Some people are just nuts!
So? A couple of years ago an Oklahoma University fan ripped another man's ball sack off because he was so incensed by his University of Texas hat...
Here is the story
So, get back to us when men wearing MAGA hats are having their nut sacks assaulted!
And then?......
The point it that you are being hyperbolic. All administrations bring in their own people and clear out the partisan holdovers from the last. All administrations have had their lists of friends and foes. Your fears of Biden are silly and overplayed. Only the really dangerous overthrow the government types plotting to kidnap and assassinate office holders have anything to worry about.
Joe Biden is now President Elect. Trying to interfere with that in any real way though is probably a major federal offense and always has been. I would never go there myself...
We will getting back to the left real soon.
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And then?......
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A premonition from January, before the pandemic destroyed the Trump candidacy.
I'm afraid a lot of those in the middle got intimidated.
You have proof of "deliberate"? Whether it was or not makes no difference if it succeeded in unseating Trump. 70 milllion Americans might be unhappy about that, but 75 million should thank China, because, frankly, had it not been for the virus, Trump was BOUND to gain his second term.
That is a unique observation.
I agree with your assessment. If Trump had a strong economy and a comfortable electorate (vs. one stressed out by economic hardships and the daily threat of the pandemic) he would have won. COVID-19 (and Trump's poor handling of same) is the key factor for his defeat. I am rather surprised that the election was this close given all of Trump's negatives and the nullification of his major positives.
We should thank the CCP for the fucking pandemic! [Deleted]
Hundreds of thousands have to die- and we destroyed the world economy; but hey, on the bright side we got rid of Trump for you!
What a load of shit!
I am sure Biden will be breaking out his kneepads to make sure the world knows the US will go back to being a doormat again. And China, and the rest can look forward to Hunter venturing out again on pay for play access bids.
Hundreds of thousands did NOT have to die. Lesser nations than the USA were able to contain the virus SO much better while the POTUS OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH delayed containing it when it was possible to do so, due to his ignorance and mismanagement. Here you have the most advanced, most powerful nation of the world totally fucking up because of YOUR lord and master. Blame China if you will for the fact there was a virus, and blame China, if you will, because China did not totally contain it as soon as it happened, but you can fucking well blame Trump for what happened in the USA. If China was capable of rebuilding its economy, why is the world's number one economy not able to do so?
Yes, what a load of shit.
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Both Jane Fonda and I agree.
Surely you are aware that Jane Fonda changed her tune.
Tell that to Europe; or are they as stupid as Trump?
China is totally to blame. W/O the CCP completely botching it (on purpose or just through plain stupidity and ignorance) there is no Pandemic.
Don't worry, the Democrats and their media sycophants have their lemmings believing that Trump started the virus. Biden will be sucking off the CCP in no time.
In case you hadn't noticed the US is rebuilding it's economy; unfortunately we now have a might mental midget coming into office that will crash the economy again- and blame Trump the entire time while doing it. The media and the leftist lemmings here will be eating that up as fast as they can.
The CCP and US Democrats that side with the CCP certainly are full of shit.
You know what, Ronin2, I feel sorry for you. But I feel a lot more sorry for my son and his family who unfortunately live in Wisconsin.
I ordered you a case, Ronin.
On Vietnam! Not on what she just said about the virus - She said "Covid is God's gift to the left."
Nobody is Whining - you're gloating. I suppose it was a long 4 long unhappy years for you.
This kind of thinking is dead wrong and dangerous; the antithesis of a free nation.
I see a lot of people criticizing AOC for saying there should be a list of those who were complicit with Trump and not so many asking why AOC knows that being complicit with Trump is a bad thing.
She is by no means the only one saying that Trump lackeys should pay a price for enabling what has happened to this country over the past four years.
Do you agree with making a list (and similar acts)?
It turned out to be a powerful question.
No one should be making an enemies list like Trump and Nixon have done. But it seems what AOC was calling for was for all these comments from the Trump ass kissers to be "archived". Just like having the words of Lindsey Graham saying Republicans wouldn't nominate a supreme court justice during an election year is useful to show what a monumental hypocrite he is, the words of these Trump sycophants should be used against them. Those who forget history (and the words of those who make it) are doomed to repeat it.
What price? They have been voted out of office. In a just and civilized society, that is the price politicians pay when they no longer have the support of the people. In backward and barbaric countries, they are jailed and executed. So what kind of price are you talking about?
'Do tell' what? I responded to a quote and deemed it wrong-headed thinking.
I'm with Tig here. Making lists smacks of the McCarthy era and look at how history looked back on that. AOC is just wrong.
But may I point out that one or even a few do not make a party. It is equally wrong to blame AOC on all the Dems. It would be like blaming the whole Republican party for Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Her idea to keep track of who was complicit with Trump will not be right or wrong until we see exactly what his crimes were.
I don't think people should be arrested because they were complicit with Trump but they certainly should pay a political price.
Perrie, has people around him enabling Trump to destroy US political norms and traditions , including an unprecedented disregard for facts and the truth, for the past four years been a bad thing or a good thing?
If there are crimes, our FBI and CIA will figure that out. We don't need lists and we don't need witch hunts.
I don't think that remembering who enabled Trump for four years would qualify as a "witch hunt". Far from it. How about Kellyanne Conway and Kayleigh McAnany, Corey Lewandowski, and Stephen Miller ? Should we just let bygones be bygones with people who lied to Americans to the unprecedented extent that these people did?
I don't see where AOC is doing anything wrong. She's just saying we're not going to forget who enabled all this insane crap for four years.
I forgot Sarah Huckabee Sanders
Why?
Hell, members here 'archive' comments made by other members to document their prior statements. I've seen members gloat about it in seeds.
We have all seen videos and tweets of both Trump's and Biden's prior statements to compare with todays.
They play shit that some said 30 years ago and say "what about when you said this". They post yearbook pictures or ask questions about articles written in college newspapers.
We're just better at chronicling things now. Once tweeted, always documented. Once spewed on TV always available for replay...
You are comparing private bookmarks of comments in a social media forum to an institutionalized list? I think a far more accurate comparison is to the lists of those with Jewish blood by the Nazis or the list of political opponents of Stalin.
Yes, the data is already out there. So if one wishes to go back 20 years and use it against an opponent clearly they can play that game. That is history. This is a political hit list ... an actionable list. It is akin to McCarthyism. This is never a good idea.
This is a terrible idea and it does not speak well of OCA IMO.
True enough. I've already been called out more recently for having once supported Trump. However, I have a brain in my head and the ability of independent thinking, so I was able to change my mind when I saw what he was and the harm he started causing - an ability that those who continue to support him notwithstanding his incompetent leadership and the harm he is causing not only other nations but Americans as well are unable to utilize. If nothing else, my hatred of him would be because of this...
Trump CALLOUSLY mimics a disabled journalist. I cannot believe there is any mature intelligent sensitive person in the world who can stomach him for that alone.
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Yeah, that was pretty ugly.
So no administration has hired or fired people? Or had a list of them?
What a ridicoulus comparison to this..
So doanld and his cronies made an actual hit list yet his is acceptable and anyone else doing it is bad?
Why is it acceptable for other Presidents to hire and fire but not Trump?
Does AOC plan on doing some hiring and firing from her list?
Did other presidents (besides Nixon) create a hit list?
AOC is not in any position to hire or fire anyone.
Of course they created a list of who they want in their admininstration and who they plan to fire, like leakers and liars. Why wouldn't they?
Then why did you compare it to Presidents hiring and firing?
They do? Show me other presidents that have.
No matter what or how you try to dismiss it, donald created a hit list.
I do not like anyone creating any kind of list like that. That includes AOC.
The difference between you and I is I am not afraid to admit that. I do not hold my view on some ideological nor political standard.
I am not going to make excuses for or dismiss one while at the same time condemning another.
All you came up with is a firing and hiring list and there is nothing wrong with it. Past Presidents have done the same. Are you saying Presidents are not allowed to list those they want to hire and fire?
It is a ridiculous and weak argument.
The intention of AOC's and her followers lists are not the same as a firing and hiring list.
Yet you cannot come up with any examples.
The fact is, donald had a hit list. Deny it all you want, try to brush it off as something else all you want, the fact remains.
Ok Ender, prior Presidents never hired and fired or made a list of them. That seems logical. /s
This was too easy. It's common knowledge that Valerie Jarrett ran Obama's Oval Office, even though she wasn't elected the actual POTUS. (BTW, The New Republic is far left.)
And do you see me defending that? No.
Of course according to others, it is just a hire and fire list....
So Jarrett (not the president by the way) kept a list.
Are you going to say as well that her list was wrong while donald's was right?
It isn’t just according to others. Apparently you didn’t read your own post. It says hiring and firing list.
Good grief.
Actually it mentions separate lists...