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SPECIAL REPORT: The Stealing of the Presidency, 2020 | Newsbusters

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  4 years ago  •  93 comments

By:   Rich Noyes (Newsbusters)

SPECIAL REPORT: The Stealing of the Presidency, 2020 | Newsbusters
The left-wing news media didn't just poison the information environment with their incessantly negative coverage of President Trump going into the 2020 election. They also refused to give airtime to important arguments of the Republican campaign — both pro-Trump and anti-Biden — which meant millions of voters cast their ballots knowing only what the media permitted them to know about the candidates.

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The left-wing news media didn't just poison the information environment with their incessantly negative coverage of President Trump going into the 2020 election. They also refused to give airtime to important arguments of the Republican campaign — both pro-Trump and anti-Biden — which meant millions of voters cast their ballots knowing only what the media permitted them to know about the candidates.

To measure the true effect of the media's censorship on the election, the Media Research Center asked The Polling Company to survey 1,750 Biden voters in seven swing states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), six of which (all but North Carolina) were called for Biden (survey details below). We tested these voters' knowledge of eight news stories — all important topics that our ongoing analysis had shown the liberal news media had failed to cover properly. We found that a huge majority (82%) of Biden voters were unaware of at least one of these key items, with five percent saying they were unaware of all eight of the issues we tested.

This lack of information proved crucial: One of every six Biden voters we surveyed (17%) said they would have abandoned the Democratic candidate had they known the facts about one or more of these news stories. A shift of this magnitude would have changed the outcome in all six of the swing states won by Joe Biden, and Donald Trump would have comfortably won a second term as president.

Here's what we found:

Burying Biden's Bad News: The media'scensorship of Biden's scandals had the strongest impact on this year's election. According to our survey, more than one-third of Biden voters (35.4%) were unaware of the serious allegations brought against the Democratic nominee by Tara Reade, a former staffer who said Biden sexually assaulted her in the 1990s.

If they had known about Tara Reade's sexual assault allegations, 8.9% told us they would have changed their vote â either switching to Trump or a 3rd party candidate, not voting for any presidential candidate, or not voting at all. By itself, this would have flipped all six of the swing states won by Biden (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), giving the President a win with 311 electoral college votes.

Even more Biden voters (45.1%) said they were unaware of the financial scandal enveloping Biden and his son, Hunter (a story infamously censored by Twitter and Facebook, as well as ignored by the liberal media). According to our poll, full awareness of the Hunter Biden scandal would have led 9.4% of Biden voters to abandon the Democratic candidate, flipping all six of the swing states he won to Trump, giving the President 311 electoral votes.

The ticket's left-wing ideology was another issue barely mentioned by the national press. A GovTrack analysis found Biden's running mate, California Senator Kamala Harris, had the most left-wing record of any Senator in 2019 (even more than self-described socialist Bernie Sanders). Our poll found that 25.3% of Biden voters said they didn't know about Senator Harris's left-wing ideology. If voters had the complete story, it would have led 4.1% of Biden voters to change their vote, flipping Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to Trump. The result would have been a Trump victory, with 295 electoral college votes.

â Hiding Trump's Successes: The liberal media also prevented many Biden voters from learning about record-breaking positive economic news in the months leading up to the election. The five pre-election jobs reports from June 5 to October 2 showed a record 11,161,000 jobs were created in the extraordinary snapback from the pandemic recession. Yet a large number of Biden voters (39.4%) said they didn't know about this achievement. If they had, 5.4% said they would have changed their vote; this would have swung Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to Trump, who would have won with 295 electoral votes.

On October 29, the government reported a huge jump in economic growth â 33.1% on an annual basis, double the previous record. Yet nearly half of Biden voters (49.0%) said they had no idea about this record-breaking achievement. Armed with that information, 5.6% said they would have changed their vote, swinging Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and a total of 295 electoral votes to Trump.

We saw the same effect when it came to foreign policy. The President and his team made history by brokering peace agreements with Israel and several of her Arab neighbors â one reason Trump received three nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. Yet 43.5% of Biden voters had no idea about these historic agreements. The information would have led five percent of overall Biden voters to change their vote, putting Trump in front in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, for a total of 295 electoral votes.

Energy independence was another Trump success. The President took action to start long-stalled pipeline projects and expand drilling offshore and in the Arctic, and it paid off with America becoming a net exporter of oil for the first time in September 2019. More than half (50.5%) of Biden voters said they did not know about this important accomplishment, either. If the information was known by all, 5.8% of Biden's voters say they would have changed how they voted. This would have changed the outcome in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, putting Trump in front with 295 electoral college votes.

One important issue that did get a lot of coverage in 2020: the coronavirus pandemic. But what made the news every night was criticism of the President and his administration. Lost in the blistering barrage of bad news were successes such as Operation Warp Speed, which even before the election was well on track to deliver 300,000,000 doses of a safe vaccine as soon as next year.

Our poll found 36.1% of Biden voters said they did not know about the administration's key role in promoting vaccine research through Operation Warp Speed. If they had, 5.3% told us they would have abandoned Biden, flipping Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, giving the President 295 electoral votes.

â Putting It All Together: Looking at all eight of these issues together, our poll found that a total of 17% of Biden's voters told us they would have changed their vote if they had been aware of one or more of these important stories. This would have moved every one of the swing states into Trump's column, some by a huge margin. The President would have trounced Biden in the electoral college, 311 to 227.

In Pennsylvania, 15% of Biden voters said they would have defected. Using the reported vote totals as of noon on November 19, this would have reduced his total by 518,204 votes, flipping the state to Trump. In Michigan, the percentage who would have left Biden was 14%, deducting 392,966 from his tally and flipping that state, too.

In Georgia, 15% of Biden's voters say they would have defected based on full information, taking 370,838 votes out of his column, and putting Trump comfortably ahead. In Arizona, 21% say they would have changed their vote, deducting 351,150 from Biden's column and putting Trump in front there, too.

In Wisconsin, Biden would have lost 13% of his voters, taking away 211,987 from his column. In Nevada, the percentage of those who would have left Biden was 18%, or 126,627 voters. Such a shift would have put both of those states in Trump's column, too.

[In the final state we polled, North Carolina, 21% of Biden's voters say they would have changed their minds, deducting 563,703 votes from his total and significantly bolstering Trump's margin of victory in that state.]

It's important to note that not all of these voters would have switched to President Trump, of course (although about 6% of Biden's voters say that's exactly what they would have done). Just by choosing to abandon Biden, these voters would have handed all six of these states, and a second term, to the President â if the news media had properly informed them about the two candidates.

The most basic principle of our electoral system is that our leaders are chosen by the people themselves. But if the people are given systematically one-sided information, with crucial facts omitted, then the real power to choose has been stolen from them.

This unique study of the media and voters suggests that's exactly what happened in 2020.

For this report, The Polling Company conducted a national survey of 1,750 individuals living in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin who reported voting for Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

The survey was conducted entirely online, between November 9-18, 2020. The poll has an accuracy of +/- 2.34% at a 95% confidence interval.


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    4 years ago

Strange enough to be true???? And "furrin" interference was the big concern?

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Vic Eldred
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1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    4 years ago

There is no question, they pulled out all the stops. Four years of everything & anything to get him out. It was a big win for China.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    4 years ago
"It was a big win for China."

How so?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.1    4 years ago

Buzz, I want to wish you a Happy & Healthy Thanksgiving!

Even if it's Roast Duck!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    4 years ago

The same to you Vic - Happy, Healthy and Tasty.   However Thanksgiving Day for Canadians was October 12 this year.

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Thanksgiving Day in Canada is linked to the European tradition of harvest festivals.

The harvesting in Canada has to be earlier than in the USA because of being farther north, because it gets colder earlier.  Therefore the celebration of the harvest is at least a month earlier. 

As for China, turkey is very rarerly available, but Peking Duck is delicious. anyway. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    4 years ago

Just because the MSM refused to carry water for conspiracy theorists and those who use terms like "Most Leftist" doesn't mean they were somehow censoring truth, they were simply sifting out the shit nugget opinions from some of the craziest morons on the planet.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2  Hal A. Lujah    4 years ago

Lol.  Millions of voters cast their ballots based on what they saw on their TVs - which was Trump himself, being Donald Trump.  Nobody had to make up or hide anything, Trump thrust his ignorance in their face all by himself.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    4 years ago

Not what the study is about. Yep, they saw Trump but, if you read, they didn't know of any of the things outlined in the survey. It's what they DIDN'T see due to the constant barrage of Trump in a negative light. MSM did no one any favors.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1    4 years ago

Study schmuddy - it doesn’t matter.  Trump insisted on being the sum total face and voice of his administration, and he is fucking ignorant as hell.  Voters needed nothing more to make up their mind.  There is nothing that could overcome his vile existence, and he was proud of that.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.2  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.1    4 years ago
Voters needed nothing more to make up their mind.

Not according to the survey.........OF BIDEN VOTERS

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.2    4 years ago

Biden is so obviously not the person you guys are trying to portray him as, so it just doesn’t matter.  Of the 30+/- candidates in the primary, you could have rolled up every character flaw in all of them into one candidate and that person would still shine in comparison to the lowlife that has occupied the White House the last four years.  That’s not even hyperbole.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.4  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.3    4 years ago
That’s not even hyperbole.

But you're close...........and you know what they say about opinions..................And there were others I MAY have considered on the dem side. They chose the wrong person. Unless of course they needed a puppet or better yet, a ventriloquist dummy. Let's see how this plays out the first few months shall we?

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.2    4 years ago

You mean not according to the 'fairly bias' survey right? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.6  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.1.5    4 years ago

If that's what I meant, that's what I would have said.

You gonna hump my leg all day again? Please don't. Chihuahuas drive me crazy.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.6    4 years ago
If that's what I meant, that's what I would have said.

Oh you are so right Jim, my bad for expecting a factual statement. 

You gonna hump my leg all day again?

Never have, never will. 

Please don't. Chihuahuas drive me crazy.

Then I suggest you refrain from adopting one. 

 
 
 
Dragon
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2.1.8  Dragon  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1    4 years ago

The media got Trump elected in 2016, they gave him a lot of air time, majority of voters wouldn't have known who he was except for all the media coverage from ALL media, just not right wing. If voters did not take the time to fully research and understand the candidates that is on them, no one else, stop making excuses for ignorant voters. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.6    4 years ago

A Chihuahua?

Dulay is a friggin' pit bull!

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.10  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.9    4 years ago

Hey, some can be mean little suckers...jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @2.1.10    4 years ago

Those little dogs yapping is annoying!

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.11    4 years ago

are

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.1.12    4 years ago

is

 
 
 
bccrane
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2.1.14  bccrane  replied to  Dragon @2.1.8    4 years ago

No, the media got Trump the Republican nomination, Hillary's dream opponent, the one that Hillary could easily defeat, then they turned around and carried Hillary's water and attacked Trump relentlessly.

What seems odd or very telling is that the media, during the 2000 election, desperately tried to find enough votes to get Gore the Florida win and 2004 the same with Ohio for Kerry, none of what the media did was for the benefit of Bush.  Now here in 2020 no effort to help Trump, but had it been Biden shown as losing, the media would be all over it trying to find all possible Biden votes and investigating any possibility of fraud from the Trump side.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

The real issue is that colleges continue to raise their prices. This makes higher education inaccessible to lower- and middle-income students unless they take on ever-larger loans. If Joe Biden really wants to help, his administration should regulate the cost of higher education, capping it substantially below today’s level.

Does anyone think that Joe Biden has the spine?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 years ago

Report last week on AP (I'll see if I can find it) 'bout a family that borrowed $36,000 for their student's schooling and after 10 years of making the "required" payments, now only owe almost $100,000.  Wild accusations, but the "rumors" are flying.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1    4 years ago

I have one from a left wing think tank - The Brookings Institution, which found that t he largest proportion of U.S. student debt, 59% of it, is held by people in the highest and second-highest income quintiles. They incurred debt to gain degrees, often expensive ones such as medicine, dentistry and law. But those degrees have paid off for them. 

It's a real burden for the students who were educated in fields which offered poor employment prospects.


 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    4 years ago
s held by people in the highest and second-highest income quintiles.

That's who the giveaway is for. The same group who benefits from SALT deductions.  

It's not about helping the actual poor. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.2    4 years ago

Then they should be honest about it and return to the days of the old elite being the sole beneficiaries of higher education!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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3.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.2    4 years ago

Sean,

It might come as a surprise, but there are loads of working and middle-class families that were adversely affected by SALT deduction. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.5  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.4    4 years ago

Not compared to those of us who benefitted from it.  How many working class people who gross say 40-60k a year or less paid over 10k in SALT’s out of that after their standard deduction?  How many of them bought homes with a mortgage over 750k?  Working class people nationwide don’t need to subsidize rich tax payers in NY, California, and New Jersey to name a few.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.2  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 years ago

You're concerned about the cost of college tuition (rightly so), but you are worrried about Biden's policies?  I have 2 words for that:  Betsy Devos.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @3.2    4 years ago

Alexis Goldstein is entitled to his opinion.

I don't see what the current Education Secretary and her inefficient/slow procedure of processing fraud claims has to do with a general policy of debt forgiveness?

It's apples & oranges.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    4 years ago

Yes, apples and [oranges---Deleted]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.2    4 years ago
comment removed for context [ph]

Let's hope not.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    4 years ago

Too late apparently!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.4    4 years ago

Rumor (The New York Times) has it that Biden is considering Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT), and Lily Eskelsen Garcia, recent past president of the National Education Association (NEA) for Secretary of Education. That would be a tragedy.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.6  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.5    4 years ago

a tragedy for the freedom from education in the voter rolls crowd.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.5    4 years ago

Sounds like a plan to increase costs in the long run to me.

Until they get it high enough where the "free" education is the only sane alternative.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @3.2.6    4 years ago
a tragedy for the freedom from education in the voter rolls crowd.

Who is in this group you claim exists?

I have never heard anyone in my life say that education is a bad thing.

Maybe you run in a different circle where you hear that type of thing.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.5    4 years ago

Randi Weingarten was the president of the UFT when I was a teacher. Frankly, she stunk from a teacher's POV. Any raise we got, we had givebacks in hours, which made them non raises. One time, we even ended up worse per hour. 

So I am not sure what you are worried about.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.10  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.9    4 years ago

Since teachers are brought in, I saw this the other day and immediately thought I would share. And NO it's not slamming you or teachers in general. I just thought it was funny in a "Little Johnnie" way.......

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Have a great Thanksgiving!!!!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.2.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.10    4 years ago

LOL. That would be one bad teacher.

But the truth is, that many teachers come from other fields than education. Like I was a CPA before entering education and my minor in college is was Anthropology/Biology (now called paloanthro). 

Have a great Thanksgiving, too. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.12  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.4    4 years ago

Indeed!  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

Finally there is the moral question.

What would we be teaching the younger generation?

Paying off college loans will teach personal responsibility and hard work. If we get everything handed to us, how will we learn to appreciate what we have and what it took to get there?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    4 years ago
learn to appreciate what we have and what it took to get there?

Reminds me of an old adage........... "If it weren't for bad times, we wouldn't have a clue what good times are."

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1    4 years ago

Jim, can you direct me to the part of your seed that mentions the topic of College loans or education? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    4 years ago

Look, I believe that if you took out a loan, you knew what you were doing and you should pay it back. But here is the thing. College education has outpaced the inflation rate. In 1980 you could go to Harvard for $6,490 a year. It now costs  $47,730 a year. If we adjusted the 1980 cost, the tuition should be $21,687.84. These universities are ripping off the students, and that is a big part of the problem.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.2.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2    4 years ago

They have gotten waaaaaaayyy to top heavy in the "administration" level. Kind of like GovCo  state, local and federal. Create some other "department" for someone who will make little to no contribution to actual education.

 
 
 
Ender
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4.2.2  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2    4 years ago

Gotta pay for football....

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.2.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2.1    4 years ago

According to Business insider and College Confidential the reasons why are:

College is expensive for many reasons, including a surge in demand, an increase in financial aid, a lack of state funding, a need for more faculty members and money to pay them, and ballooning student services.

It seems the more financial aid available, the more spending the universities do. How do you fix that?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @4.2.2    4 years ago

Bingo! Some of these coaches are making more money than professional athletes

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @4.2.2    4 years ago

Some of the top football programs make their colleges lots of money.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.3    4 years ago
It seems the more financial aid available, the more spending the universities do. How do you fix that?

I would think that making college "free" will ultimately make it much more expensive.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to    4 years ago

whatever...it's obscene. My daughter worked her ass off at school because she had scholarships to maintain and still had to take out loans.

Fortunately, she paid off all those loans w/in 3 years of graduating

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.7    4 years ago

Maybe. I think that people should have some skin in the game to make the system work. That being said, there are those who can't afford school. Maybe local universities and colleges can fill that gap. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.2.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.8    4 years ago

I was really lucky. Both girls got a full ride for school so all I had to pay was the parental share of 5,800 a year per kid and living expenses. When they went off to graduate school, Matt and I told them they were on their own. They have paid off those loans. At some point, they have to be the adults in the room. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.10    4 years ago

My kid did it all on her own. We helped her furnish her first doom room and then her first apartment, but she really did do it all herself. I felt bad we couldn't do more for her, but she said she preferred it that way

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.12  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @4.2.2    4 years ago

That’s not true.  I went to a college in Nebraska and I caught Big Red fever there.  The University of Nebraska charges no student fees to support sports and no state tax payer dollars go to support football or college athletics.  In fact while most college sports don’t break even financially, football, men’s basketball, and women’s volleyball do make a profit.  Football does so to the extent that it pays for all the other men’s and women’s sports, runs a healthy reserve and the athletic department provides buildings and financial support for the academic side of the university.  And academics are emphasized in sports as shown by their tutor support system and the number of academic all Americans they keep turning out as a proud member of the B1G conference.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.13  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.5    4 years ago

Bingo!  See 4.2.12 for some verification of that...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.14  XXJefferson51  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.8    4 years ago

I graduated from college in 1985 with almost $15,000 owed in loans and directly to the college.  I paid it all off in just under four years and never made over $20,000 a year until the last year of that.    

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.14    4 years ago

I guess you didn't get the right degree. My daughter started making more money than me right out of college.

Frankly I don't care what you did or didn't do.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.14    4 years ago

paying your debts off is the honorable thing to do.

congrats!

 
 
 
Ender
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4.2.17  Ender  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.12    4 years ago
The financial ramifications could be even worse for programs in the Group of 5, which includes conferences such as the Mid-American and Sun Belt. Among the 56 public schools in the Group of 5, 62.5% get their largest share of funding from government and/or university support, 34% from student fees and 3.6% from donor contributions.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.20  XXJefferson51  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.15    4 years ago

No I went into a people serving career providing social services to at risk young people.  Making tons of money was never a huge priority to me.  Being middle class and reasonably comfortable sure, but that was it.  The pay did get progressively better over the years and the benefits (insurance, retirement, vacation time) were always very good. I’m still in the people helping field in my current positions after 33 years in the prior one.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.21  XXJefferson51  replied to    4 years ago

I have a niece who might get a college scholarship to play soccer.  And another niece  with a possibility of a volleyball scholarship.  That’s a good way to get through school.  

 
 
 
JBB
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4.2.22  JBB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.20    4 years ago

512

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.23  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.16    4 years ago

Thanks!  Taking on debt for whatever reason and then expecting others to cover it is pretty low.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.24  XXJefferson51  replied to  JBB @4.2.22    4 years ago

My ceilings do look like that and yes I worry about Biden’s tax plan.  

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    4 years ago
Finally there is the moral question.

What would we be teaching the younger generation?

Paying off college loans will teach personal responsibility and hard work. If we get everything handed to us, how will we learn to appreciate what we have and what it took to get there?

You do have a point and Trump is a perfect example.  He had everything handed to him his entire life, never had to work for anything himself, and had daddy protecting him every step of the way. Naturally he ended up being a lazy, retarded, self-absorbed asshole. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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5  Dulay    4 years ago
Interesting take............fairly bias source but nonetheless...........you decide.

"Fairly bias" Jim? 

Newsbusters : Welcome to NewsBusters, a project of the  Media Research Center  (MRC), America’s leading media watchdog in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias.

Media Research Center : It characterizes itself as a media watchdog, [2]  whereas Brian Montopoli in the  Columbia Journalism Review  in 2005 considered it "propaganda clothed as critique". [3]

The Polling Company : Founded by Kellyanne Conway.

I've decided that using 'fairly bias' to describe the above cast of characters is delusional. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @5    4 years ago
media watchdog in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias.

Tough work but someone has to do it..............

And congrats on your decision. You didn't even wait for someone to tell you what to think. Neat.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
5.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1    4 years ago
Tough work but someone has to do it..............

Yet it's ironic that you rely on them as a source to decry bias media. 

And congrats on your decision.

Thanks, it's based on overwhelming facts. 

You didn't even wait for someone to tell you what to think. Neat.

Unlike you, I never do. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @5    4 years ago

It is to us what MBFC is to the liberals here.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2    4 years ago
It is to us what MBFC is to the liberals here.  

Bullshit Xx. MBFC is this site's chosen media rating system and MBC doesn't even have a rating system. Take that trash to someone who'll believe it. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6  TᵢG    4 years ago

The ignorance of the electorate is the fault of the electorate.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7  Trout Giggles    4 years ago

survey 1,750 Biden voters in seven swing states 

Out of how many millions of Biden voters....that's some sample there. One might even say it's a pretty stinky poll.

I'm sure my Prob and Stats professor would dismiss this poll

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @7    4 years ago
sure my Prob and Stats professor would dismiss this poll

You aren't really familiar with how polls work, are you? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1    4 years ago

I'm pretty sure I know how they work. This is an extremely small sample

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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7.1.2  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.1    4 years ago

But yet it was okay to poll 2,000 or so out of over 150 million voters and establish Mr. Biden was the favorite?

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Trout Giggles
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7.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.2    4 years ago

Was that in your seed because I must have skimmed over it

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.2    4 years ago
But yet it was okay to poll 2,000 or so out of over 150 million voters and establish Mr. Biden was the favorite?

The 'poll' that did that was the election and Biden garnering 306 in the electoral college and over 80 MILLION votes established him as the 'favorite'. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
7.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.3    4 years ago

It's right under the part about College loans and education. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dulay @7.1.5    4 years ago

Ah! Got it!

 
 
 
cjcold
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7.1.7  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1    4 years ago

I know push polling when I see it.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
8  Thrawn 31    4 years ago

OMG,  stop being such fucking babies. The election wasn't stolen dipshit, Trump lost. All the "left wing media" did for 4 years was just air the actual shit Trump said, and it turns out a majority of Americans weren't impressed. 

Besides, the right has Fox, and you all are always bragging about how Fox has more viewers than any other network so that sounds like a you problem. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8    4 years ago

Fox doesn’t anymore.  Their audience is down 32% over all with the biggest dips outside of the prime time opinion shows.  Many of us really are tuning in CBN.1, NewsMax TV, and OANN instead.  And going to Breitbart, WND, and other web sites instead.  

 
 
 
cjcold
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8.1.1  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1    4 years ago

So a steady diet of some serious far, far, far right wing insane lies and propaganda.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @8.1.1    4 years ago

That is preferable to being in a mixed community where people on your side of the aisle set all the terms and conditions of the dialogue/conversation.  The more gate keepers and the like in msm and on social media set the terms as to what’s allowed the more on our side will do the Facebook /Twitter to Parler like move. The bottom line is that it would be better to be in an environment where we never communicate or meet at all than in one where you set the terms for such a meeting and the parameters of the conversation.  We will sooner isolate into two America’s two media’s two social media worlds, red state and blue state that never met and never communicated as we live our lives in total isolation from each other that to be second class participants in a joint world controlled by your side.  We already have separate legal, civil rights, women’s, retirement, professional, medical groups of our own where the original one is inhospitable to our view point and use them despite the originals calling them questionable, propaganda, pseudoscience, even hate, etc.  those labels from your side are a badge of honor to us now and getting that label only makes them better and stronger in our opinion.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
8.1.3  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.2    4 years ago

Here's your hat, what's your hurry...

 
 
 
Kavika
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9  Kavika     4 years ago

Breaking news fresh from Fox News your bigly yuge fountain of misinformation.

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