Unity, healing and Joe Biden

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  3 months ago  •  502 comments


Unity, healing and Joe Biden
“I’ll work as hard for those who don’t support me as those who do, including those chumps at the microphone out there,” Biden said. “Look, that’s the job of a president: the duty to care for everyone. The duty to heal.”

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How many voters voted for Joe Biden thinking a Biden victory would be a return to normalcy?

We are very close to Biden taking control of the government. In the meantime there has been a crackdown on free speech by the democrat's allies in big tech. Supporters of the outgoing President are being ostracized & blacklisted. What shall become of the half of America that supported Donald Trump?. Because there is an effort to lump the 74 million Americans who voted for Mr. Trump with those who assaulted the Capitol, the nation has become polarized. We have seen that dramatically right here on NT.

So what will the man who promised to unify America do?

Thus far he has already falsely claimed that Wednesday's rioters were given special treatment that the lefts rioters were not. That is gaslighting on steroids! Here we had a protester shot and killed and 300 arrested with a genuine resolve to prosecute. The opposite of what happened to the thugs who terrorized big blue state cities all year.

Back to my question what happens to half the country? Some Trump supporters (but not all) believe the election was stolen. 

Does that make them white supremacists? 

If Joe Biden meant what he said about being president for all Americans, including those who didn’t vote for him, he has to get started without delay. Tomorrow Nancy Pelosi intends to impeach the President for inciting an insurrection. She doesn't even care about bringing it to trial. It's all to degrade Trump and his entire legacy and prevent him from running again. There is the staring point for Biden. He needs to speak up and tell Pelosi that Trump is on his way out the door and it's time to heal the country. 

I doubt it can be done. It would take a real leader.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    3 months ago

Thus far Biden has only widened the divide.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 months ago

No.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 months ago

How has Biden made anything better?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    3 months ago

He defeated Trump.   That is a good start.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    3 months ago

Has Biden taken office yet? So far, he's been selecting members of his cabinet. Beating Trump is also a good way to make things better. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.4  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    3 months ago

He is not engrossed in an EVIDENTIAL scandal already.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.2  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 months ago

Only due to Trump supporters who cannot accept reality or refuse to participate in closing any divide or help promote healing.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.2.1  cjcold  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2    3 months ago

The far right wing fanatics here on NT are testament to that.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.2.2  Gordy327  replied to  cjcold @1.2.1    3 months ago

Indeed.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 months ago

although I would love to have senators that support sedition on the record now, the house needs to hold off sending the articles of impeachment to the senate until all of the new administration's political appointees have been confirmed. there will be no unity with, or mercy for, seditionists and their supporters and there never will be.

last wednesday was a fork in the road, a litmus test between those that support the US Constitution and the rule of law, and those that don't. the visuals were clear to anyone watching who they were. for those that don't think the election was fair without any evidence of the contrary having been presented to any court of law in over 2 months, that level of ignorance is on them. if they wish to live in an autocracy or theocracy, they need to find one and immigrate to it.

severe actions require severe consequences. IMO those few that attempted a coup should be found, prosecuted, and never see the light of day again. the next 4 years will determine the difference between those that support America and those that don't. As a patriotic American citizen, I am fully prepared to lay down my life defending the US Constitution from insurrectionists in the most efficient and permanent methods available to me at that time.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @1.3    3 months ago

Trump is already trying to worm his way out of any responsibility. He was shoveling the bs to white house reporters this morning. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.2  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.1    3 months ago

let him shoot his mouth off, just more evidence on video.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.3    3 months ago
As a patriotic American citizen, I am fully prepared to lay down my life defending the US Constitution from insurrectionists in the most efficient and permanent methods available to me at that time.

And so do I.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.1    3 months ago

What about Biden's campaign promise?

How many voted for him seeking normalcy?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.1    3 months ago

When has he ever accepted responsibility for any of the SNAFU FUBARs he has been responsible for?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.6  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.4    3 months ago
What about Biden's campaign promise?

promises made to republicans before the attempted coup are now null and void.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.3.6    3 months ago
promises made to republicans before the attempted coup are now null and void.

Do you think promises were made to Republicans that were totally different than campaign promises to Democrats?

That just seems awfully crazy to me.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.8  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.3    3 months ago
And so do I.

cool. see? common ground. do you fish? let me know if you ever get out to colorado and we can do a float trip down the CO river on the western slope. it'll be a lot of fun.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.9  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.7    3 months ago
That just seems awfully crazy to me.

what doesn't? where again in texas do you live?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.3.8    3 months ago

That would be fun, at least a bit different than fishing the ocean for Cod & Haddock.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.3.11  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.10    3 months ago

Ocean fishing is the best around here. Especially out by the oil rigs.

(Gulf fishing I should say)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.3.11    3 months ago

What are the prized fish there?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.3.13  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.12    3 months ago

Red snapper is pretty popular, they ended up putting a size limit on those though.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.14  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.3.9    3 months ago
what doesn't?

Sane stuff.

where again in texas do you live?

Irrelevant and unresponsive.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.3.13    3 months ago

We don't have those here. Sounds interesting.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.3.16  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.5    3 months ago
When has he ever accepted responsibility for any of the SNAFU FUBARs he has been responsible for?

You can't even name any of those "SNAFU FUBARs"

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.3.17  Drakkonis  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.4    3 months ago
What about Biden's campaign promise?
How many voted for him seeking normalcy?

Honestly, I'm not sure what Biden wants matters much. Pelosi seems to be in control of the Party and right now she's sharpening her knives. I just heard on the radio that the House put up metal detectors outside the chamber doors. Whatever house member was being interviewed indicated it was because they were afraid some of the Republican members may bring a gun and shoot them. Switching back and forth between MSNBC and CNN, they were really inventive with all the ways and reasons every republican is responsible or actually in on the plot to overthrow the government. In short, it sounded like the kind of talk Trump gave at the rally, Wednesday, only tailored to Democrats and SJW's. 

So, what Biden may plan, promise or want may be moot. It looks like Pelosi has the bit between her teeth an she's not going to give it up until she's destroyed every enemy she can. Maybe she won't ever give it up. Whatever happens, it should be interesting. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.3.18  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3.17    3 months ago

How Biden deals with Harris, (the Sanders|Warren|AOC factions), Pelosi and Schumer will be an early indicator for the next two years.

Biden should be focusing on COVID-19 and the recovery of the economy.   How far he varies from that will be instructive.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.3.19  Drakkonis  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.18    3 months ago
How Biden deals with Harris, (the Sanders|Warren|AOC factions), Pelosi and Schumer will be an early indicator for the next two years. Biden should be focusing on COVID-19 and the recovery of the economy.   How far he varies from that will be instructive.

Yes, it will. I wonder, though, if it hasn't already started. I'm not an expert in transitions, one thing I've heard (not sure who said it or what news outlet) was that the Senate should already be working on confirming Biden's picks for Cabinet and whatever else. I don't know if that's true, but it would make sense. If they are, he's already going to be behind where he wants to be. From what I understand, Biden doesn't want to waste a lot of time on Trump but, so far, there's little indication the Dems are listening. We'll have to see what develops, I suppose. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.3.20  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3.19    3 months ago

Biden can only communicate his wishes to Congress.   He has no power to direct their agenda.  

A reported comment like this :

It's the latest sign that with each passing day since the siege of the Capitol, people close to Biden say, he has become resigned to the fact that impeachment is simply one more crisis that he will inherit from the Trump presidency.

... suggests that Biden would rather impeachment of Trump not take place, but we really do not know.

I would not be surprised if Biden thought that impeachment would do more harm than good and that it just steals critical time from establishing his administration.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.3.21  Drakkonis  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.20    3 months ago
Biden can only communicate his wishes to Congress.   He has no power to direct their agenda.  

Agreed. Pelosi seems, to some extent, obsessed with Trump. Possibly more than simply him, though. A lot of Dems seem to want to go after half of Congress it seems like. Hard to tell what's real and what isn't with all the rhetoric. I think what I'll be watching for is how long it takes Pelosi to notice Biden is president and her behavior once she does and start working on at least some of Biden's agenda. Not that I'm thrilled about what I think a lot of that agenda will be. 

I would not be surprised if Biden thought that impeachment would do more harm than good and that it just steals critical time from establishing his administration.

I've heard more than a few pundits say the same. I think there's some truth to that. If so, I think Biden would be right to leave Trump behind as fast as possible if he has an actual agenda he wants to accomplish. Gotta tell you, though, I have serious doubts about the rest of the Dems being able to let go. Not just of Trump but all the Republicans as well, based on the news clips I've been watching. I wasn't kidding when I said earlier, a lot of what is being said on the Dem side seems just as bad, or crazy, as Trump's Capital speech to me, just packaged for the left. I'm more than a little worried. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.3.22  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3.21    3 months ago

I have long since lost faith in our federal politicians.   Given they are, I am convinced, there to pursue political careers rather than actually work for the people, I do not take any insane option off the table.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.3.23  Drakkonis  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.22    3 months ago

Boy! I feel ya. I have this sense of "what's the point anymore!"

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.3.24  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3.23    3 months ago

To me the key is the PotUS.   The right leader could work through the utter nonsense of Congress.   Nothing miraculous of course, I am not expecting superhuman abilities.   But there are principles of leadership, there are charismatic individuals and, importantly, there are plenty of opportunities for a PotUS to keep the citizens of the USA aware of what s/he is trying to accomplish and why and to use this voice to help keep Congress in line.   Trump had the right idea with his willingness to communicate.   The problem was the quality of the communication.

Unfortunately we have not had a lot of luck with PotUS' for quite some time.  

 
 
 
CB
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1.3.25  CB   replied to  Drakkonis @1.3.17    3 months ago

That reads ridiculous coming from a commenter sworn into the service of a truthful God. I admit, I have done my share of tearing Donald Trump a new one on social media because he leaves no quarter to anybody he doesn't like: Surely, republicans are feeling the "burn" too?  Think Pence - last Wednesday - chiny chin chin. That last is rhetorical. In my heart, I wish all people fair days and sails.

Drakkonis, may the Spirit of Truth be in you, then you can tell me, us, why you think it okay for Donald Trump to 'march' his supporters down to the Capitol and wreck Nancy's House and McConnell's Senate and just somehow it the democrat's fault!

Donald Trump lost this election - do you or don't you agree he lost his presidential bid 2020?

 
 
 
CB
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1.3.26  CB   replied to  Drakkonis @1.3.19    3 months ago

All politicians drag 'pus-filled' members from the opposing side throughout there terms as a given. Truth be told, being a politician is a job that evidentially is full of shit.

Ironically, the more sophisticated this country gets, the more it appears to want to appear 'stunted.'  I mean, our 200 plus years experiment had the rapt attention and best wishes of the world, and then came a navel-gazing president with his 'bump on a log.'

Biden is an astute politician. However, as is the case, a democrat president will have to wade into the sewer waters to pull and make pristine the same 'waters,' as before. All the while, political "sewer dwellers" will do their best to create sludge, slips, and suctions that slow down even the bravest and best!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.3.27  CB   replied to  TᵢG @1.3.20    3 months ago

This week Biden was (again) asked about impeachment of Donald. Long comment short; Biden wants Congress to 'own' its problematic president of four years. Biden really does have a full set of opening 'chores' to manage and get going.

Of course, "pus-filled' opposition will do what it can to bog him down with the drudgeries of the office. It's par for the course.

Ironically, the presidency of the United States is really a job for more than one man, because there are just too many 'mouths' in this country wagging 24/7 for any one man to make enough 'satisfaction.'

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.28  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.16    3 months ago

I don't have the time, nor would I waste it, on you

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.29  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3.17    3 months ago
It looks like Pelosi has the bit between her teeth an she's not going to give it up until she's destroyed every enemy she can.

It won't be too hard this time as Trump has become radioactive for most Republicans. I'm sure some blame him for the two GA Senate losses. This is that final scene for the tragic hero.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.30  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.29    3 months ago

tRump is no hero, not in any way, shape, or form.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.3.31  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.4    3 months ago
What about Biden's campaign promise?

Well, given the fact that he hasn't even assumed the office of President yet-- don't you think its just a tiny bit premature to judge his record of his  accomplishments during his term as president?

 
 
 
CB
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1.3.32  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.29    3 months ago

Nancy Pelosi is not a monster. The demon-spirited man is this failed president, Donald J. Trump, who never gives up, even when he has lost what's worth having.

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
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1.3.33  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.3    3 months ago

Have you condemned the attempted coup? Will you condemn the next when it occurs?

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
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1.3.34  NV-Robin6  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.18    3 months ago

Exactly, with a steady and decisive hand, I believe his intentions are. I'm sick he has to start this out with dealing with half the gang of leadership focused on the insurrection, but that's what they were hoping for. Distracting while they're still out doing all the dirty work of divisive culture war politics. Joe can walk and chew bubble gum though, I have no doubt and then he has Momma Bear Kamala. Grrrrrrrrrr!!! I can't wait! 

Nothing about his presidency will bring immediate change but for this assault, it damn well will bring accountability to the highest levels. They'll be shocked I tell ya, shocked! 

 
 
 
dennis smith
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1.3.35  dennis smith  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.7    3 months ago

Consider the source of 1.3.6 and you have your answer

 
 
 
Freewill
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1.3.36  Freewill  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.29    3 months ago
This is that final scene for the tragic hero

Did you mean to say, "This is that final scene for the tragic zero"?

Sorry Vic - couldn't resist.  

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.4  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 months ago

So...  Now that the coup has failed...  A call for unity?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  SteevieGee @1.4    3 months ago

Which coup?  The Russia hoax? The phone call? The blaming of the pandemic on the President?

What about Biden's campaign promise?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Junior Silent
1.4.2  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.1    3 months ago

Don't play stupid Vic.  We know better.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.4.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  SteevieGee @1.4.2    3 months ago

Well played Steevie.  I don't know whether to take it as a compliment or an insult.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.5  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 months ago
Thus far Biden has only widened the divide.

How do you account for the fact that while Biden  has only widened the divide-- during his time in office Trump has done the opposite?

Trump has brought people of opposing viewpoints together--  in fact, more than any other president in history!

Under Trump, there's been  unprecedented harmony between even the people on the far left and the far right.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
1.5.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.5    3 months ago
Thus far Biden has only widened the divide.

How do you account for the fact that while Biden  has only widened the divide-- during his time in office Trump has done the opposite?

Trump has brought people of opposing viewpoints together--  in fact, more than any other president in history!

Under Trump, there's been  unprecedented harmony between even the people on the far left and the far right.

He brought Blacks and Whites together.

Moslem and non-Moslems. 

Fundamentalist Evangelical weirdos-- and non-Beleivers!

Native born and immigrants.

All living together in peace and harmony like never before-- all this only because Trump has "narrowed the divide"

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2  Thrawn 31    3 months ago
In the meantime there has been a crackdown on free speech by the democrat's allies in big tech.

There hasn't been a crackdown, abide by their ToS or find another platform and quit your fucking crying. God I am sick of the whining that people are being treated unfairly because they aren't following the rules or this idiotic idea that one business for some reason must work with another. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1  Gordy327  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2    3 months ago

I have yet to see where free speech has been unreasonably infringed upon. Some people sure like to whine about it. But they cannot seem to demonstrate how their speech has been "cracked down" on.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2  devangelical  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2    3 months ago
there has been a crackdown on free speech

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devangelical
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2.2.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @2.2    3 months ago

oh ow, I guess the truth can be painful.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2    3 months ago

It goes beyond fairness:

the-first-amendment.jpg

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.3.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3    3 months ago

in a perfect world that document would blind seditionists and anyone supporting them.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3    3 months ago

Congress isn't the ones infringing on Parler users rights

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.3.2    3 months ago

No, it's Big Tech and Academia.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.3.4  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.3    3 months ago

That's nice. Prove it?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.5  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3    3 months ago

Try actually reading it dude. At no point is Twitter or Facebook mentioned. In fact, the first amendment doesn't mention anyone EXCEPT for Congress. The Bill of Rights applies ONLY to the US government, no other entities. It does not apply to businesses, it does not apply to individuals. 

No, it's Big Tech and Academia.

Go ahead and prove it in Academia's case, in the case of big tech no they aren't because they can't. They can't because the first amendment does not apply to them. "Congress shall make no law", end of discussion. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.5    3 months ago
At no point is Twitter or Facebook mentioned. In fact, the first amendment doesn't mention anyone EXCEPT for Congress. The Bill of Rights applies ONLY to the US government, no other entities. It does not apply to businesses, it does not apply to individuals.

I get it.

Let's face it, even though the government isn't taking away free speech, it is still being taken away - by monopolies with the power to do it.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.3.7  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.6    3 months ago
@joshtpm
This is actually one of many good things about the open internet. Nothing is stopping the President from spinning up a website. It’s a serious point. You have a right to speak in public fora. You don’t have a right to be amplified by a commercial network.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.3.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gordy327 @2.3.4    3 months ago

Exhibit A:

The New York Post having their account closed.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.3.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.3    3 months ago

Then why are you showing a picture of the Bill of Rights?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.3.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.6    3 months ago
Let's face it, even though the government isn't taking away free speech, it is still being taken away - by monopolies with the power to do it.

Welcome to Corporate America! This is what you conservatives have wanted all along. Now you have it and it doesn't feel very good does it?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.3.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.6    3 months ago
Let's face it, even though the government isn't taking away free speech

Correct, so the 1st amendment nor the constitution is under attack. So why use that imagery when trying to whine about supposed conservative "victims"?

it is still being taken away - by monopolies with the power to do it.

First, they're not monopolies. Just because a larger portion of people choose one format or platform over another does not make that company a monopoly.

Second, since it's NOT a violation of the first amendment as you already admitted, who cares if private companies set rules you or other conservatives don't like? Use your power to boycott those companies, that's your right. Just because the vast majority of Americans won't follow the weak sniveling pied pipers away from Twitter, Google, Facebook and Amazon doesn't make them evil. It shows the companies appeal and manage their platforms for the majority of their customer base which is what any capitalist company should do. Only communist pricks would force their will upon companies making them carry content or products that not only don't sell but are counter to the companies rules or stated policies. But I guess whiners will be whiners and bitch and moan about being a victim when they can't get the crazy unhinged filth they so desire.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.3.9    3 months ago

You are trying to understand my logic and I'm trying to understand yours.

Let me get it straight: Because the First Amendment specifically prohibits Congress from denying free speech, you are ok with free speech being denied as long as private entities do it?

I don't think you would feel that way if all our universities and social media suppressed speech on behalf of let's say: Evangelicals.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.3.11    3 months ago
Just because a larger portion of people choose one format or platform over another does not make that company a monopoly.

I think one could accuse the social media giants of violating Antitrust Laws via unfair competition. Unfortunately, they own the democrats and some of the Republicans right now.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.3.14  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.12    3 months ago

WHOSE free speech is being denied Vic? 

Surely you can't mean Trump's. He's on his way to blather in Texas, he has the 'bully pulpit', he could call a press conference at any time he wants, he could call a joint session of Congress and spew his lunatic bullshit to his tinny little hearts content. 

Practically every person that was on Parler was on facebook or twitter first. Any evidence that they have been denied access to their profiles? I know that even though Parler was shut down, BOTH of my RW Senators are still active on the other social media outlets. 

Seriously, NO ONE has a 'free speech' right to flap their gums wherever the fuck they want. You violate the rules or the ToS, you get cut off. Ask Perrie...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.3.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.12    3 months ago
you are ok with free speech being denied as long as private entities do it?

Not really, but there is no law restricting it. Time to start lobbying your congress critters for an amendment to the First Amendment

I don't think you would feel that way if all our universities and social media suppressed speech on behalf of let's say: Evangelicals.

Yeah...I would pretty much hate that shit. But...I really don't believe in restricting anyone's speech. It goes against everything I was taught and it goes against that Constitution I swore an oath to protect

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.3.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.13    3 months ago
I don't think you would feel that way if all our universities and social media suppressed speech on behalf of let's say: Evangelicals.

So now you're for Anti-trust laws? What kind of conservative do you call yourself?

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.3.17  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.6    3 months ago

Then your issue is with private businesses, which are with their right to "censor." The government isn't censoring anything. So everyone still has free speech.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.3.18  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.12    3 months ago
Because the First Amendment specifically prohibits Congress from denying free speech, you are ok with free speech being denied as long as private entities do it?

What REGULATION are Trump supporters trying to strap on to private companies now?! Trump supporters love DEREGULATION. Remember?

Let's call this what it is. Trump supporters are standing afar off and calling right wrong and wrong right.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.3.19  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.13    3 months ago
they own the democrats and some of the Republicans right now.

Wait! What? Not the "high and mighty" liberty-lubber republicans too!!! Owned and enslaved by corporate positioning! Vic, you've got some 'plaining to do.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.3.20  CB   replied to  Gordy327 @2.3.17    3 months ago

Besides Vic is being inconsistent. These are the same people who love to inform/admonish liberals that conservatives reserve the right to vote with their feet! As in moving on to better 'grazing pastures' with their wealth. They "championed" and preened for Parler when it was the new "crowded house" on the block!

Well, here is the strange occurrence of corporations deciding that not all money is good money so they don't want "a certain clientele" feet under their umbrellas, and Trump supporters are beginning to feel the old haunts are looking better already.

Conservatives are nearly homeless. Unless you count those undesirable, dark, damp, encrypted 'fronts' on the web where asses are "recognized" and slit from one butt cheek to the other with a homemade prison shiv.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.3.21  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.13    3 months ago
I think one could accuse the social media giants of violating Antitrust Laws via unfair competition.

Accusations needs evidence to be taken seriously. Like those who accuse Biden/democrats of "stealing the election." 

Unfortunately, they own the democrats and some of the Republicans right now.

Baseless assertion.

Because the First Amendment specifically prohibits Congress from denying free speech, you are ok with free speech being denied as long as private entities do it?

No one has to like it. But no one's free speech is being denied either. If one doesn't care for a certain business practice a company makes, then don't do business with that company.

I don't think you would feel that way if all our universities and social media suppressed speech on behalf of let's say: Evangelicals.

Are they private or public entities?

even though the government isn't taking away free speech,

At least you acknowledge that much.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
PhD Guide
2.3.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.13    3 months ago
I think one could accuse the social media giants of violating Antitrust Laws via unfair competition.

I disagree. I haven't seen a lick of evidence that any of them have violated Antitrust laws or been "unfair" to their competitors. If they've been buying out their competitors and keeping other companies from creating search engines them you'd have a point, but I see no evidence of that. All I hear are whiny little babies crying that they're not carrying water for conservative conspiracy theorist and other nutter dumb shits. There are plenty of other search engines and social media companies you can use, you can even go start up your own, none of them are stopping you or any other conservative. All I hear from conservatives is the incessant whine that they aren't being allowed to access the large customer base these companies have earned.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.23  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.3.22    3 months ago
I haven't seen a lick of evidence that any of them have violated Antitrust laws or been "unfair" to their competitors.

Then you disagree with the House Judiciary Committee's antitrust panel?

"In a 450-page  report, staffers for the House Judiciary Committee's antitrust panel wrote that there is "significant evidence" to show that the companies' anticompetitive conduct has hindered innovation, reduced consumer choice and weakened democracy.

Under Chairman David Cicilline, the antitrust subcommittee collected more than 1 million documents from the companies and interviewed academics, business leaders and even many of Big Tech's rivals — including some Fortune 500 companies concerned about the tech giants' power, said an attorney for the subcommittee.
"These firms have too much power, and that power must be reined in and subject to appropriate oversight and enforcement," the report said. "Our economy and democracy are at stake."

 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.24  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gordy327 @2.3.21    3 months ago
Accusations needs evidence to be taken seriously.




Baseless assertion.

It's a slam dunk. Not only the suppression of the Hunter Biden story but their donations to Joe Biden and other democrats make it obvious.


If one doesn't care for a certain business practice a company makes, then don't do business with that company.

It's easy to say but where do you buy oil when Standard Oil is the only Oil company?


Are they private or public entities?

Universities? They are federally funded private entities.


At least you acknowledge that much.

Anything that's in the Constitution.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.25  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @2.3.20    3 months ago
These are the same people who love to inform/admonish liberals

Liberals aren't liberals anymore.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
2.3.26  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.25    3 months ago

no doubt. they're basically moderate republicans because trumpsters have gone so far to the right.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Masters Principal
2.3.27  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3    3 months ago

Freedom of speech applies to the government, not private companies who have every right to enforce their own rules on what is allowed. THIS site has similar rules. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.3.28  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.25    3 months ago

Says WHO? 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.3.29  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.12    3 months ago

Another example of you making unfounded allegations then devolve to silence when challenged to support your claim. 

You are batting 0 in this seed Vic. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.3.30  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.25    3 months ago

Whatever qualifies as "liberal" for you - use that instead.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.3.31  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.24    3 months ago
It's a slam dunk. Not only the suppression of the Hunter Biden story but their donations to Joe Biden and other democrats make it obvious.

Sounds more like a complaint against success. It's capitalism in action. Such companies are successful because they put out a product consumers want and use.

It's easy to say but where do you buy oil when Standard Oil is the only Oil company?

When there is only 1 company, then get back to me. There's still plenty of competition out there.

Universities? They are federally funded private entities.

And they're not prohibiting free speech.

Anything that's in the Constitution.

Good. Then you know the government isn't prohibiting free speech rights. But that doesn't apply to private enterprises.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.3.32  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @2.3.18    3 months ago
Trump supporters love DEREGULATION. Remember?

Thank-you for the reminder! I knew I was missing something

 
 
 
Thomas
Freshman Guide
2.3.33  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.12    3 months ago

The first Amendment, lets look at that

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I see nothing in there against anyone but congress. It does not say people. It does not say companies or corporations. So the first amendment only keeps the congress from doing these things. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.3.34  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.12    3 months ago
I don't think you would feel that way if all our universities and social media suppressed speech on behalf of let's say: Evangelicals.

That would be a violation of the RFRA. 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
2.3.35  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.6    3 months ago
by monopolies with the power to do it.

So now you're anti-business. 

What are you-- some kind of a ..Socialist! {gasp}

 
 
 
Dragon
Freshman Silent
3  Dragon    3 months ago

The GOP and their absurd rhetoric about the election has widen the divided and created a dangerous climate in America. 

Trump is the current President and he has not only done diddly squat to help us heal, he has promoted insurrection. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
3.1  Gordy327  replied to  Dragon @3    3 months ago

And now he's possibly facing impeachment for his part in the insurrection. That's not exactly a good way to end one's tenure as President.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1    3 months ago

I hope his future life of paranoia and solitude lasts long enough to become destitute as well.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  devangelical @3.1.1    3 months ago

That would be karma.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1.1    3 months ago

To see him penniless, stripped of all assets, that and his criminal children also, and behind bars would be SWEET.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dragon @3    3 months ago

But it was Biden who made it a key campaign promise.  How about it?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    3 months ago
But it was Biden who made it a key campaign promise.  How about it?

The man has not even been inaugurated much less been provided a grace period in which to get his administration up and running and to engage in his initiatives.  

I think we should at least get past the shit storm resulting from Trump, let things calm a bit, etc. before holding Biden responsible for divisiveness in the nation. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
PhD Quiet
3.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    3 months ago

But it was Biden who made it a key campaign promise.  How about it?

And he is bringing together the branches of the government.  He campaigned for, and won Democratic control of the Senate, and maintained Democratic control of the House.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.1    3 months ago
I think we should at least get past the shit storm

I'm willing to give him time, so long as I don't hear divisive characterizations of White Supremacists and the appointment of a Black Supremacist to the powerful Civil Rights division at the DOJ.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.1    3 months ago

"I think we should at least get past the shit storm resulting from Trump, let things calm a bit, etc. before holding Biden responsible for divisiveness in the nation."

Well, why not?  All past ills that have befallen the nation - and any current ills - are the fault of Democrats and President Elect Joe Biden - is at fault for everything in the past and what will happen in the future.  

While the current 'president' claims COMPLETE AUTHORITY YET ACCEPTS ZERO RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT HE HAS WROUGHT

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    3 months ago
"I'm willing to give him time"

LOL!  Sure ya are!  

 
 
 
Snuffy
Sophomore Participates
3.2.6  Snuffy  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.1    3 months ago

While I agree that Trump's actions from last week, he IMO has lost the right to sit in the office.  I feel he should resign.  

But let's be honest here,  the Democrats did not give Trump time to get his administration up and running before they started their actions and the push for impeachment.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.6    3 months ago

But let's be honest here, you think this 'president' should get a deal for inciting an insurrection, a mob, on the Capitol.  You think this criminal enterprise of an administration should get a pass and his criminal offspring.  Ridiculous.  You think this 'president' should ALSO get a pass from the SDNY once he is out of the White House.  Ridiculous.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.6    3 months ago
"But let's be honest here,  the Democrats did not give Trump time to get his administration up and running before they started their actions and the push for impeachment."

Proof?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    3 months ago
I'm willing to give him time, so long as I don't hear divisive characterizations of White Supremacists

what sort of characterizations of white supremacists would you like ?  "Jews will not replace us"  ? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.10  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.6    3 months ago
While I agree that Trump's actions from last week, he IMO has lost the right to sit in the office.  I feel he should resign.   But let's be honest here,  the Democrats did not give Trump time to get his administration up and running before they started their actions and the push for impeachment.

Are you arguing that two wrongs make a right?   If so, that is the fundamental problem with partisan politics.   Nobody takes the high road anymore and holds off on payback in order to foster a better spirit of cooperation.  

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
3.2.11  Thrawn 31  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.6    3 months ago
But let's be honest here,  the Democrats did not give Trump time to get his administration up and running

The GOP had control of both houses and the presidency for 2 years, it isn't the Democrats fault they didn't do shit with it.

before they started their actions and the push for impeachment.

That was 2019, not Jan 2017. He had 2 years of full control of government to get this admin going and there was nothing the Dems could do about it. And he was impeached for trying to shakedown a foreign government to do him a domestic political favor. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
3.2.12  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    3 months ago
so long as I don't hear divisive characterizations of White Supremacists

Umm, are you arguing that people are being too hard on white supremacists? Seriously? 

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
3.2.13  devangelical  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.2.12    3 months ago

yup.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
3.2.14  devangelical  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.6    3 months ago
Democrats did not give Trump time to get his administration up and running before they started their actions and the push for impeachment.

the wealthy and corporate america seemed to get what they wanted ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.2.12    3 months ago

Here is Biden's comment:

“They should be treated as a bunch of thugs, insurrectionists, white supremacists, anti-Semites,”


Can anyone show us the ideology of the people who stormed the Capitol?

Never mind pictures, I want to see what groups were involved and what is their beliefs.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.16  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.15    3 months ago
Can anyone show us the ideology of the people who stormed the Capitol?

There have been reports that the FBI and the NYPD knows specific leaders and groups and informed the Capitol Police. Those documents will be forthcoming. I'm pretty sure that as President elect, Joe Biden has been briefed on the events and the actors.  

Never mind pictures, I want to see what groups were involved and what is their beliefs.

Is it your posit that pictures are irrelevant Vic? Since WHEN? Is it YOUR regular practice to purchase and wear the swag of political groups that you do NOT support? If so, WHY? 

Investigations are ongoing, connecting the dots and building cases against the insurrectionists AND their infrastructure. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Sophomore Participates
3.2.17  Snuffy  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.10    3 months ago
Are you arguing that two wrongs make a right?

Absolutely not. Both sides are wrong in this, but if you are going to call out the Republicans for crapping on Biden then you should have been calling out Democrats as they were pushing for impeachment before Trump even took the oath and for calling for people to publicly confront and harass members of the Trump administration. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Participates
3.2.18  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.1    3 months ago
I think we should at least get past the shit storm resulting from Trump, let things calm a bit, etc. before holding Biden responsible for divisiveness in the nation. 

It appears that most people on the left want to keep this overwrought shit storm going for as long as possible.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Sophomore Participates
3.2.19  Snuffy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.2.11    3 months ago
The GOP had control of both houses and the presidency for 2 years, it isn't the Democrats fault they didn't do shit with it.

By this standard there cannot be any complaints given for any pushback to the Biden administration as the Democrats will be starting in a week with control of both houses and the presidency. 

That was 2019, not Jan 2017. He had 2 years of full control of government to get this admin going and there was nothing the Dems could do about it. And he was impeached for trying to shakedown a foreign government to do him a domestic political favor. 

May of 2017 was the first time Al Green called for Trump's impeachment.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Participates
3.2.20  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.4    3 months ago
While the current 'president' claims COMPLETE AUTHORITY YET ACCEPTS ZERO RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT HE HAS WROUGHT

What has he wrought other than try to correct the corruption of the radical left win?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.21  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.17    3 months ago

That is fine, but you likely recognize that a common deflection away from the bad of one side is to ignore the challenge and simply note the failures of the other side.   If something is wrong, it does not matter if the other side does it too.   It is still wrong.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.22  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.18    3 months ago

It does? How so? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.23  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.18    3 months ago

I see them reacting to the ongoing irrational support for Trump.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
3.2.24  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.20    3 months ago

An insurrection. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.25  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.20    3 months ago

I don't have the time to waste, much less, on you . . . 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2.26  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.15    3 months ago

They were wearing and carrying their ideology. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Masters Principal
3.2.27  MrFrost  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.6    3 months ago
But let's be honest here,  the Democrats did not give Trump time to get his administration up and running before they started their actions and the push for impeachment.

He had a republican congress for the first two years. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Sophomore Participates
3.2.28  Snuffy  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.27    3 months ago
He had a republican congress for the first two years. 

Did that stop Representative Al Green from calling for Trump's impeachment in May 2017?  

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
3.2.29  Split Personality  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.17    3 months ago
Absolutely not. Both sides are wrong in this, but if you are going to call out the Republicans for crapping on Biden then you should have been calling out Democrats as they were pushing for impeachment before Trump even took the oath and for calling for people to publicly confront and harass members of the Trump administration. 

But where do you stop?

Remember How Many Times Fox News Called For Obama's Impeachment?

By NowThis

Published on 5/21/2017 at 12:00 AM

Conservatives have been freaking out over talk of impeaching Trump for legitimate reasons like say, obstruction of justice. They just can’t seem to wrap their minds around it which is crazy considering how staunchly they supported impeaching Obama for years. Let’s take some time to remind ourselves of some things Obama did that they considered impeachment-worthy. When he issued an executive action on immigration in 2014, they called for impeachment. When PA Rep. Joe Sestak was pressured not to run in the 2010 Senate race, they called for impeachment. When Obama implemented spending cuts as part of the sequester, they called for impeachment. When, supposedly, his administration orchestrated a ‘cover up’ of the Boston bombing, they wanted impeachment. When federal money was lost due to an investment in a solar company, they called for impeachment. When Obama approved the prisoner swap involving Pvt. Bowe Bergdahl, they demanded impeachment. When the incident in Benghazi happened, impeachment. When he implemented Obamacare, impeachment. When he allowed Transgender people access to bathrooms, impeachment. Not showing his birth certificate - impeachment. Not extending Bush tax cuts, you guessed it, impeachment. Not defending a gay marriage ban - an impeachable offense by their standards. And of course, on June 4, 2014 Trump tweeted, “Are you allowed to impeach a president for gross incompetence?” (Sigh).

By contrast Bush was protected from impeachment in 2008 by Nancy Pelosi...

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
3.2.30  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    3 months ago
I'm willing to give him time,

Based on your comments here-- its obvious you are not. You are already judging his tenure as President-- before he's even been inaugurated!

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.31  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.28    3 months ago

Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene announced on Twitter Wednesday night she plans to file articles of impeachment against President-elect Joe Biden on January 21.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
3.2.32  dennis smith  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.2.11    3 months ago

We all know the results of the impeachment that was sent to the Senate. It was a nothing burger and so is the 2nd one.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
3.2.33  dennis smith  replied to  Dulay @3.2.31    3 months ago

Excellent and you can be sure that Pelosi will do nothing with it as is her MO when anything is proposed by a Repub. 

The partisan hag will be gone in 2 years then perhaps sanity will return to the Senate. BTW her mask looks better on her than her Botox

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
3.2.34  pat wilson  replied to  dennis smith @3.2.33    3 months ago

She's the Speaker of the House. The House is not part of the Senate.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
3.2.35  dennis smith  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.34    3 months ago

I did not say Pelosi was in the Senate

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
3.2.36  pat wilson  replied to  dennis smith @3.2.35    3 months ago
The partisan hag will be gone in 2 years then perhaps sanity will return to the Senate.

Sure looks like you did.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
3.2.37  devangelical  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.36    3 months ago

LOL, yup...

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.38  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @3.2.33    3 months ago

dennis, are you aware that multiple Articles of Impeachment were filed against Trump that were NEVER acted on? That fact kinda of fucks up you 'MO' posit. 

How many times have you and yours written off Pelosi? Please proceed...

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
3.2.39  dennis smith  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.36    3 months ago

Thanks for pointing that out. Should have read the House.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
3.2.40  dennis smith  replied to  Dulay @3.2.38    3 months ago

Provide a list of multiple articles and why they were NEVER acted on.

Not as many times as you and yours have written off Trump.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.41  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @3.2.40    3 months ago
Provide a list of multiple articles and why they were NEVER acted on.

Here's 2:

Here's 4 more:

Not as many times as you and yours have written off Trump.

I have NEVER written off Trump. 

FAIL. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.42  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @3.2.40    3 months ago

BTW, you're welcome.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
PhD Guide
4  Dismayed Patriot    3 months ago
"Because there is an effort to lump the 74 million Americans who voted for Mr. Trump with those who assaulted the Capitol, the nation has become polarized."

You didn't seem to have any problem lumping in every BLM supporter, liberal and progressive and blaming them for the 5% of protests that turned violent even though 95% of the protests were non-violent. I didn't here you here defending the peaceful protesters claiming that blaming them for the violence would divide our nation. Just more non-stop hypocrisy from the right, but we've come to expect nothing less from those carrying water for this vile piece of shit criminal President.

he has already falsely claimed that Wednesday's rioters were given special treatment that the lefts rioters were not.

He pointed out that if that crowd of thousands invading the capital had been BLM supporters the capital police would not have been backing off and simply blockading hallways, they would have fought back with force and we all know it and there would have been a far higher body count. Trying to smear Biden with your truly divisive lies and claiming what he said was "gaslighting on steroids!" while completely ignoring Trumps hate speech is monumental hypocrisy.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Participates
4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4    3 months ago
hey would have fought back with force and we all know it and there would have been a far higher body count.

All of the violent riots where government buildings were attacked, police stations were destroyed, cops were attacked and shot etc.. disprove that argument. In all of the many, many violent riots the left engaged in (and continue to do so) how many unarmed people were shot and killed intentionally by police?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
PhD Guide
4.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    3 months ago
All of the violent riots where government buildings were attacked, police stations were destroyed, cops were attacked and shot etc.. disprove that argument.

"The vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful, according to a new report published Thursday by a nonprofit that researches political violence and protests across the world.

The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) analyzed more than 7,750 Black Lives Matter demonstrations in all 50 states and Washington D.C. that took place in the wake of George Floyd’s death between May 26 and August 22.

Their report states that more than 2,400 locations reported peaceful protests, while fewer than 220 reported “violent demonstrations.” The authors define violent demonstrations as including “acts targeting other individuals, property, businesses, other rioting groups or armed actors.” Their definition includes anything from “fighting back against police” to vandalism, property destruction looting, road-blocking using barricades, burning tires or other materials. In cities where protests did turn violent—these demonstrations are “largely confined to specific blocks,”.

I absolutely condemn those who chose violence and vandalism over peaceful protesting and they should be held accountable just like those who attacked the Capital. The fact is, the symbolism and import of attacking the Capital was of course far more egregious as it was directly attacking American democracy. There is no equivalent between burning some cars or dumpsters or even a police station and attacking our Capital building, invading with intent to kidnap/restrain our elected representatives, ransacking their offices and calling for them to be hung or worse.

The other fact many conservatives have refused to admit is that the 7% of protests that turned violent DID IN FACT have right wing instigators and many of the deaths like those of the officers in Oakland and Santa Cruz were committed by right wing fascists like the Boogaloo Bois and others. There have been ZERO left wing instigators found among the crowd attacking the Capital.

"The demographics of a largely white, young, and destructive group fit more with a movement known as accelerationists than Black Lives Matter . The accelerationists, if you have never heard the term, are an extreme subset of white nationalism whose goal is to bring about chaos and destruction. The basic tenet of accelerationism argues that since Western governments are inherently corrupt, the best (and only) thing supremacists can do is to accelerate the end of society by sowing chaos and aggravating political tensions. “Accelerationist ideas have been cited in mass shooters’ manifestos — explicitly, in the case of the New Zealand killer — and are frequently referenced in white supremacist web forums and chat rooms,” Zack Beauchamp explained.

White Supremacists pretending to host a protest to honor Floyd George on Facebook to whip up violence in San Diego were posted on the BLMSD social media warning people not to go and that it was a white supremacist organized rally. People attending demonstrations remarked on the fact that the demographics were wrong, in places like Oakland where the majority of the destruction was perpetrated by young Caucasian men has inspired not just people on social media but reporting in the mainstream media to properly question whether this is a form of infiltration by outside extremist elements."

"President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals. But an Associated Press review of thousands of pages of court documents tells a different story.

Very few of those charged appear to be affiliated with highly organized extremist groups, and many are young suburban adults from the very neighborhoods Trump vows to protect from the violence in his reelection push to win support from the suburbs."

Right-wingers continue to be arrested for violence against Biden supporters and at BLM protests

The facts are there for all who are willing to look, but I know few on the right have enough backbone to be able to stand up and accept the fact that much of the supposed "leftist" violence that erupted at BLM protests was actually right wing instigators, some even shouting for "justice for Floyd" and only being found out as right wing accelerationists hoping to start a civil war later. These are the same folk who showed up en masse for Donald Trump and felt, based upon his inflammatory speech, that they were given permission to attack the capital. Trumps lies have fueled this right wing extremist movement and any attempt to defend him should be seen as an attempt to cover for these vile violent seditious pieces of right wing filth that attacked our nation.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.1    3 months ago
jority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful, according to a new report published Thursday by a nonprofit that researches political violence and protests across the world.

The vast majority of protests regarding the election have been peaceful. So what?

 look, but I know few on the right have enough backbone to be able to stand up and accept the fact that much of the supposed "leftist" violence that erupted at BLM protests was actually right wing instigato

Because it's not true. You are telling falsehoods. I've caught you doing this before, remember?  You cited the murder of a protester by another protester as "right wing violence" even though your own link said otherwise, among many other dishonest claims   (like citing a right wing violence  that occurred before the riots as right wing violence during the riots)

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Blaming the violence of the BLM protests on the "right wing" is simply dishonest, to put it politely. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
PhD Guide
4.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.2    3 months ago
Because it's not true. You are telling falsehoods.

So you ignored all the links that PROVE my claim? It is TRUE no matter how many times you try to claim it was not, the evidence is right in front of your face and you're still ignorantly shaking your head in denial. Sad to see such blatant denial of the facts.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.1    3 months ago
T"he facts are there for all who are willing to look, but I know few on the right have enough backbone to be able to stand up and accept the fact that much of the supposed "leftist" violence that erupted at BLM protests was actually right wing instigators, some even shouting for "justice for Floyd" and only being found out as right wing accelerationists hoping to start a civil war later. These are the same folk who showed up en masse for Donald Trump and felt, based upon his inflammatory speech, that they were given permission to attack the capital. Trumps lies have fueled this right wing extremist movement and any attempt to defend him should be seen as an attempt to cover for these vile violent seditious pieces of right wing filth that attacked our nation."

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.3    3 months ago

"So you ignored all the links that PROVE my claim? It is TRUE no matter how many times you try to claim it was not, the evidence is right in front of your face and you're still ignorantly shaking your head in denial. Sad to see such blatant denial of the facts."

That's all he has, projection/deflection/denial

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
4.1.6  dennis smith  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.2    3 months ago

100% spot on Sean.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
4.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4    3 months ago

I love how Biden is now dividing the nation but not a single mention of Trump who has actively done that, nonstop, for 5+ years now. His entire presidency has been demonizing democrats, liberals, the media, and minorities. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5  TᵢG    3 months ago
How many voters voted for Joe Biden thinking a Biden victory would be a return to normalcy?

I suspect the D partisans voted for Biden because they would never vote for an R candidate; they, of course, voted for the D.   The balance of the votes likely were votes against Trump.   To wit, it is my opinion that whoever was the D candidate this year (as long as the candidate was at least acceptable ... Sanders, for example, probably would have not been acceptable) would have likely beat Trump.

It sure seems as though there were quite a few in the electorate motivated to get Trump out of office.   The Trump supporters did their jobs and showed up strong, but they were overwhelmed by an even stronger showing by Trump's opponents.   

Thing is, if Trump had not so miserably screwed up with COVID-19 (trying to downplay it instead of encouraging everyone to take it seriously) he might have been reelected.   His handling of COVID-19 and his horrible behavior on the first debate dissipated his advantage.

Given his behavior in office and the disgusting display of malignant narcissism after his loss, everyone should be relieved that he did indeed lose.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
5.1  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @5    3 months ago

I'm still shocked that there were that many people that didn't see this scam artist for what he was 4 years ago. what a painful indictment of our institution of public education.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  devangelical @5.1    3 months ago

Given Trump has been lying and cheating his entire professional career, one should assume that the lying and cheating would not stop when he assumed the office of PotUS.    Amazingly, his supporters blindly translated all lies into truth.   We can see this phenomenon right here.   There is no reasoning to be had.   Trump is right no matter how outrageous the lie.

Our education system should do a better job of teaching critical thinking, but there are other factors at play here.   How can millions of people believe this election was stolen in spite of all the evidence to the contrary simply because Trump continues to claim he won and has mountains of evidence to prove it?   The evidence never manifested, the recounts went the wrong way for Trump, the courts rejected lawsuit after lawsuit yet his supporters ignored all of this and held to the belief that just because Trump said so the entire election process of the USA, for the first time in its history, has been successfully rigged to give the loser the presidency.

It is confirmation bias and gullibility at a rather astounding level.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
5.1.2  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.1    3 months ago
It is confirmation bias and gullibility at a rather astounding level.

I'm ashamed the world can see that 20+% of living americans are too fucking stupid to know the basic, right from wrong. what message does this send to our enemies?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Masters Guide
5.1.3  Jasper2529  replied to  devangelical @5.1    3 months ago
what a painful indictment of our institution of public education.

Public education in the US has been run by the radical left for decades. Look no further than AFT, NEA, and their state/county branches for proof.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.3    3 months ago

What evidence do you have that the 5 MILLION members of those associations are from the 'radical left'? Please be specific. 

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
5.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.3    3 months ago

anyone with more than 3 functioning brain cells knows that better educations are based on available funding.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Masters Guide
5.1.7  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @5.1.4    3 months ago
What evidence do you have that the 5 MILLION members of those associations are from the 'radical left'? Please be specific. 

NEA: Current President Becky Pringle, Democrat

The NEA, originally on the conservative side of U.S. politics, by the 1970s emerged as a factor in  modern American liberalism . [8]  While the NEA has a stated position of "non-partisan", it almost exclusively supports the  Democratic Party . [9 ]  Conservatives, libertarians, and parents' rights groups have criticized the NEA's leftist, progressive positions . [10] At the national level, the NEA lobbies the  United States Congress  and  federal agencies  and is active in the nominating process for Democratic candidates. [11]   From 1989 through the 2014 election cycle, the NEA spent over $92 million on political campaign contributions, 97% of which went to Democrats . [12]

AFT: Current President: Randi Weingarten, Democrat

Since 1980, AFT and the NEA have contributed nearly $57.4 million to federal campaigns, an amount that is about 30 percent higher than any single corporation or other union. About 95 percent of political donations from teachers unions have gone to Democrats. [18]

In 2008, AFT provided a campaign contribution of $1,784,808.59 to Hillary Clinton and $1,997,375.00 to   Barack Obama . [19]

In July 2015, AFT endorsed Democrat   Hillary Clinton   in the 2016 presidential race. Clinton and AFT president Randi Weingarten are longtime friends. [20]   AFT's official endorsement of Clinton caused controversy among some AFT members who felt that the endorsement came too soon and did not reflect the wishes of rank-and-file AFT members, some of whom supported   Bernie Sanders . [21] [22]

Enjoy the read. The sources are from left wing media, btw. Good-bye.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
5.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.7    3 months ago

Good post.

I am betting it will be ignored or spun so as it doesn't mean what it states.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Masters Guide
5.1.9  Jasper2529  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.8    3 months ago

Thanks. I'm sure it will be ignored. That's why I only bothered with Wiki - it's good enough, because the citations are from left wing sources.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Masters Guide
5.1.10  Jasper2529  replied to  devangelical @5.1.5    3 months ago

The NEA and AFT are very wealthy unions, but the public education they now provide is sub-standard. Why? Because the union leaders take the biggest cuts for themselves and leave the crumbs for the rest of us. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
5.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.10    3 months ago

The state of education in our country is not related to how much money is being spent. Other countries spend far less with much better results.

IMO, the teacher unions have done more harm than good for education.

And it seems to be a vicious cycle--teachers' unions pour money into Democratic coffers and then lobby those lawmakers for favors.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
5.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.10    3 months ago

Are you a teacher and member of one of those unions? 

You know that the unions are NOT responsible for funding local education right? 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
5.1.13  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.11    3 months ago
IMO, the teacher unions have done more harm than good for education.

Well since you admit that other countries have better education results, it may behoove you to recognize that teachers are represented by unions in almost EVERY country too...

Got anything else? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
5.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @5.1.13    3 months ago
Well since you admit that other countries have better education results, it may behoove you to recognize that teachers are represented by unions in almost EVERY country too...

I know that.

I just wish American teacher unions produced as well as the foreign teacher unions apparently do. It isn't a question of funding---as evidenced in my links.

It might behoove you to recognize that undeniable fact.

So why do we lag behind other countries despite the amount being spent?

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
5.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @5.1.13    3 months ago
Well since you admit that other countries have better education results,

The way you worded that makes it seem as if I denied at an earlier point, which I have not done. No one here disputed it here. When will you admit it?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
5.1.16  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.14    3 months ago
I just wish American teacher unions produced as well as the foreign teacher unions apparently do.

I know three teachers trained and taught here in the US that 'produced' just fine in 'foreign' countries. One in k-12 and two professors that teach in Europe. 

It isn't a question of funding---as evidenced in my links.

I didn't say anything to you about funding.

It might behoove you to recognize that undeniable fact.

So why do we lag behind other countries despite the amount being spent?

IMHO, part of it is the delusion that the US is inherently 'exceptional', part cultural and sadly, part political. 

It's interesting that Asian Americans who go to our same 'failed' schools as every other kid still manage to excel academically at the highest levels. Their culture honors and accentuates education. I saw it quite clearly during my time living in the Bay Area of CA.  

It's quite sad that all too many Americans view education as 'elitism'. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
5.1.17  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.15    3 months ago

I'm not responsible for how you interpret my comments Tex. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
5.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @5.1.16    3 months ago
I know three teachers trained and taught here in the US that 'produced' just fine in 'foreign' countries. One in k-12 and two professors that teach in Europe. 

Wow, that is utterly fantastic.

I didn't say anything to you about funding.

And?

IMHO, part of it is the delusion that the US is inherently 'exceptional', part cultural and sadly, part political. 

Well, that is your opinion.

Please do elaborate on how much the teachers' unions in America have furthered the education of our youth over the last 50 years.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
5.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @5.1.17    3 months ago
I'm not responsible for how you interpret my comments Tex.

I never claimed you were. 

But it was a reasonable interpretation based on what you and you alone wrote, so there is that.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
5.1.20  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.19    3 months ago

Yes, you are always the epitome of reasonableness Tex. /s

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
5.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @5.1.20    3 months ago
Yes, you are always the epitome of reasonableness Tex. /s

You are free, of course, to deny facts.

And if you don't like me calling you out for your underhanded, snarky comments meant to paint a different picture than reality, then stop.

Now, take the last word since it is important to you.

Bye.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
5.1.22  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.21    3 months ago
You are free, of course, to deny facts.

I've denied NOTHING. Stop making shit up. 

And if you don't like me calling you out for your underhanded, snarky comments meant to paint a different picture than reality, then stop.

I could NOT care less. 

Now, take the last word since it is important to you.

You keep saying that and then post another comment. 

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Bye.

Promise? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @5.1.4    3 months ago
Jasper must be Betsy DeVos's spokesperson

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.23    3 months ago

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Jasper2529
Masters Guide
5.1.25  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.23    3 months ago
Jasper must be Betsy DeVos's spokesperson

I don't see your block quote in Dulay's comment 5.1.4 . Interesting.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.26  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dulay @5.1.16    3 months ago

It is true that Americans don't value education these days. The school my kids graduated from is one of the best schools in the state, but I could see how much emphasis was placed on sports. And then there are the parents who think their angel doesn't do any wrong so the teacher calls in the parents for a conference and the teacher can't make him/herself heard. They don't want to hear bad things about their Precious.

It's that "everybody gets a trophy" mentality. Hard work is not valued any more.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.25    3 months ago
"Jasper must be Betsy DeVos's spokesperson"

"I don't see your block quote in Dulay's comment   5.1.4   . Interesting."

I was just making an observation - I don't know what the hell you mean 

Plus, you never answered the question - are you a teacher and a member of one of those unions?  You speak as if you are

 
 
 
Suz
Freshman Participates
5.1.28  Suz  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.26    3 months ago
It's that "everybody gets a trophy" mentality. Hard work is not valued any more.

Though that type of mentality was established not too long ago, it was definitely a left/liberal teacher and parent community that introduced that nonsense. 

There is something I learned a long time ago and it has to do with your own children growing up and moving on with their lives and starting their own families.   Just because someone no longer has kids in school, we are still responsible for the education of the students who are just beginning. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.1.29  dennis smith  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.6    3 months ago

Right on Texan. You can't fix stupid

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.1.30  dennis smith  replied to  Dulay @5.1.12    3 months ago

The unions are responsible to insure they provide members who are qualified for the job, This is a great example of why unions have lost relevance.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.1.31  dennis smith  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.15    3 months ago

Twisting words is common for certain posters 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
5.1.32  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @5.1.30    3 months ago

Tell that to your state and local police and fire departments dennis...

Trump touted the fact that he garnered the support of Police unions. Seems they ARE relevant, at least politically. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.33  Trout Giggles  replied to  Suz @5.1.28    3 months ago

It's not just liberal parents. I live in a very conservative town and I've seen the helicopter parents up close and personal where I live. And they all vote Republican

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.34  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.25    3 months ago

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Ender
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5.1.35  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.34    3 months ago

Respect my authoriti.

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.36  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @5.1.35    3 months ago

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Jasper2529
Masters Guide
5.1.37  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.27    3 months ago
I was just making an observation -

A block quote that doesn't appear in an aforementioned comment isn't a personal observation. A block quote is a direct reference citing another person's words.

I don't know what the hell you mean 

I know.

Plus, you never answered the question - are you a teacher and a member of one of those unions?  You speak as if you are

I've previously told you and others that I do not divulge much of my personal info, so please stop. My answer will be the same as I've told you before: My personal (real) life is no one else's business unless I wish to share it with you and/or others online.

Have a good evening, Tessy.

 
 
 
Thomas
Freshman Guide
5.1.38  Thomas  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.14    3 months ago

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think

 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Quiet
5.1.39  mocowgirl  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.26    3 months ago
It is true that Americans don't value education these days.

I don't know about that.  

In the not so distant past, there were far more manual labor jobs that didn't even require much of an education or critical thinking skills.  

Even in today's world, most jobs don't require higher math from what I have read. 

Technology is replacing people in low skill jobs and high skill jobs.  Most crops will be planted, tended and harvested by machines in the near future. 

US companies have found it is far cheaper to import college educated foreigners for many jobs than it is to pay US college grads.  This has been an ongoing practice for at least a decade, maybe more.

These days, US born citizens need skills to fill the niche jobs that machines and immigrants can't or won't do.  The job pool will most likely continue to get smaller and smaller.

In all industrialized nations (except the US), the population is declining naturally as people are choosing to have limited family size to less than replacement rate.  So the job loss in those nations is not as contentious as it is in the US.  We are expanding our population through legal and illegal immigration.  That is why both Republican and Democrat legislators have been trying to pass another "amnesty" for over a decade to expand US population so we won't run short of breeders, wage slaves, and soldiers to fight endless wars.

Our country, and the world, needs leadership that is embracing and planning for a future will a smaller population and smaller economic growth instead of promoting population growth that is not needed or even humane.  People should not live their lives as wage slaves for people who make their living exploiting their fellow humans.

The United States is on pace for the slowest population growth in a century amid the coronavirus pandemic, according to analysts, and economists worry it will hamper economic recovery.

The number of American residents is expected to increase by just 700,000, or about 0.2%, in 2020, according to Moody’s Analytics. That would put the country on its slowest pace since 1918, when the country faced a Spanish Flu pandemic and World War I, according to   USA Today .

The trend could “make the economy less dynamic,” Moody’s chief economist Mark Zandi told the outlet. “Fewer people means fewer homes (purchased), fewer cars, fewer vacations.”

Zandi estimated that about a quarter-percentage point of this year’s projected 3.5% decline in the US economy was attributed to the drop in population growth.

A recent paper by researchers at MIT and Boston University found that robots could replace as many as   2 million people  in manufacturing alone by 2025. Many telecommunications firms, call centers, customer service firms, and food-service companies have already downsized their workforces by thousands by deploying robots and artificial intelligence systems,   Time  reported. AI firms have seen business boom since the pandemic began, according to   Wired .

The pandemic could also expand the gig economy and the number of part-time and temporary jobs, particularly with the decline of union power across the country.

“The combination of that, with the fact that an adult in the United States today can expect to change jobs maybe a dozen times over their lifetime, creates a lot of insecurity for people who are not well equipped to deal with it,” Graetz explained. “Temporary and part-time work doesn’t supply a living, doesn’t enable you to know that you’re going to be able to pay for food, clothing, all the things that your family needs.”

“What the pandemic has done… is to shine a spotlight on just how precarious workers’ and their families’ connections are to the workforce and to jobs. And how quickly jobs can disappear unexpectedly,” Graetz said. “A lot of those jobs that have disappeared, and a lot of the businesses that have gone, that have closed as a result of the pandemic, and are not coming back. So I think we’re going to see a fairly slow return to the kind of prosperity that we had in February before the pandemic hit.”

US Population Growth Falls to Lowest in a Century Amid Pandemic Fallout (truthout.org)
 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Quiet
5.1.40  mocowgirl  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.26    3 months ago
It is true that Americans don't value education these days.

While IQ is not the whole picture of a person's intelligence, it is a factor.

Consider the average IQ in the US is around 100.  That means that 50% of the US population has an IQ under 100.

Hopefully, in the near future, education will be tailored to a person's abilities and interests at younger ages so people can learn at their own pace.

From the state with the highest intelligence quotient on average to the US state with the lowest IQ score across the board, here is a list of the fifty states in America in order of   average IQ scores ... To be completely fair and transparent, the intelligence quotient is not the most accurate way of determining someone's intelligence. After all, it is nearly impossible to fully calculate someone's intellect because it is not a variable that is numerically represented. Instead, IQ scores are a way of trying to put a number on someone's intelligence. That disclaimer aside, let's take a look at the values that have been calculated for the average IQ scores of each of the fifty states in America.
Here are the 10 states with the highest average IQ:
  1. Massachusetts   (104.3)
  2. New Hampshire   (104.2)
  3. North Dakota   (103.8)
  4. Vermont   (103.8)
  5. Minnesota   (103.7)
  6. Maine   (103.4)
  7. Montana   (103.4)
  8. Iowa   (103.2)
  9. Connecticut   (103.1)
  10. Wisconsin   (102.9)
  1. Average IQ by State 2020 (worldpopulationreview.com)
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @5    3 months ago
I suspect the D partisans voted for Biden because they would never vote for an R candidate; they, of course, voted for the D.  

That is obvious, but you would agree that there are those who are not so political, that simply voted for Biden so that they would no longer hear all the animosity over the air waves 24/7?


To wit, it is my opinion that whoever was the D candidate this year (as long as the candidate was at least acceptable ... Sanders, for example, probably would have not been acceptable) would have likely beat Trump.

Which leads us to another interesting question. It is clear to just about everyone that once the DNC Primary was reduced to Biden vs Sanders the democratic establishment quickly coalesced around Biden. We can only guess who arranged that. From there Biden got the support of Jim Clyburn, which delivered the black vote in South Carolina - the first primary win for Biden. Then came that Faustian deal with Sanders to cement the nomination and help from big tech in burying the Hunter Biden story.

Could it be that Biden can't really do anything he really wants under the weight of all those IOU's?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2    3 months ago

What the hell are you talking about - Hunter Biden????????

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2    3 months ago
That is obvious, but you would agree that there are those who are not so political, that simply voted for Biden so that they would no longer hear all the animosity over the air waves 24/7?

This reads as though you are referring to people who wanted Trump but were tired of the attacks on Trump so they voted for Biden?    I must be misunderstanding because this makes no sense to me.

It is clear to just about everyone that once the DNC Primary was reduced to Biden vs Sanders the democratic establishment quickly coalesced around Biden. We can only guess who arranged that.

The DNC did not want Sanders just like the RNC did not want Trump in 2016.

From there Biden got the support of Jim Clyburn, which delivered the black vote in South Carolina - the first primary win for Biden. Then came that Faustian deal with Sanders to cement the nomination and help from big tech in burying the Hunter Biden story.

Could it be that Biden can't really do anything he really wants under the weight of all those IOU's?

I expect that Biden has plenty of competing political debts.   That is in fact my key concern.

But you seem to be off on another track here.   My comment was about why it is good for the nation that Trump lost.   Even if Biden is hobbled by competing political debts we are better off having Trump out of the office because clearly he does not have the good of this nation in mind.   His post election behavior especially should convince even the most loyal supporters that he must not be PotUS.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.2    3 months ago
This reads as though you are referring to people who wanted Trump but were tired of the attacks on Trump so they voted for Biden?    I must be misunderstanding because this makes no sense to me.

I'm referring to people who had no interest in politics but were tired of hearing about Trump. You don't know any?  Really?


The DNC did not want Sanders just like the RNC did not want Trump in 2016.

So you think it was Tom Perez & co. That is very possible. And possibly Obama and others helped.


Even if Biden is hobbled by competing political debts we are better off having Trump out of the office because clearly he does not have the good of this nation in mind.  

I'm sure you know how much I disagree with that.


 His post election behavior especially should convince even the most loyal supporters that he must not be PotUS.

That's kind of a mute argument. After what happened on Wednesday he will never be PotUS again, but there are those who will continue to talk about nothing but Trump. Biden will eventually show us if he is strong enough to be more than a proxy. The GOP will try and rebuild. Most important, for the average working American, the search for a leader has begun.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.4  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.3    3 months ago
You don't know any?  Really?

Vic, I told you that I did not understand your statement.   What is this 'you don't know any?' crap?    You clarified and then presumed without even giving me a chance to comment on your clarification.   Do you recognize what you just did?

To answer your question, now that I have a chance, I am sure there are plenty of casual voters who simply voted for a change due to animosity.   Offhand I do not know if any in my circle thought that way, but it is certainly possible.

Why is this question relevant?

So you think it was Tom Perez & co. That is very possible. And possibly Obama and others helped.

We are still talking about the DNC not wanting Sanders, right?   Yes, given Perez heads the DNC, he certainly is critical in how it operates.

I'm sure you know how much I disagree with that.

Kind of a vague answer.  

That's kind of a mute argument. After what happened on Wednesday he will never be PotUS again, but there are those who will continue to talk about nothing but Trump. Biden will eventually show us if he is strong enough to be more than a proxy. The GOP will try and rebuild. Most important, for the average working American, the search for a leader has begun.

There is nothing moot about it Vic.   Look around at how many still cling to Trump.   My argument is that given his behavior (especially the most recent), everyone should realize that it is good that he will not have a second term.   It is sad and discouraging that so many continue to support Trump.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
PhD Guide
5.2.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.1    3 months ago
What the hell are you talking about - Hunter Biden????????

That's all they can do, deflect and distract. When you're a weak sniveling petulant child losing a game of chess, your obvious move is to just flip the board over and claim the opponent that was beating your ass somehow cheated.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.4    3 months ago
Why is this question relevant?

Because I think a lot of people who wouldn't have even voted gave Biden a vote simply for some peace of mind.


Kind of a vague answer.  

You do know how I feel about the things Trump did as President?  Surely, I would disagree with your assessment.


 My argument is that given his behavior (especially the most recent), everyone should realize that it is good that he will not have a second term.   

For you he was the worst of all possibilities. Got it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.7  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.6    3 months ago
Because I think a lot of people who wouldn't have even voted gave Biden a vote simply for some peace of mind.

Okay.   So if your hypothesis is correct, what point does that lead to?

Surely, I would disagree with your assessment.

But you do not explain why, given all that you now know about Trump, you would still want to see Trump holding the office of PotUS.

For you he was the worst of all possibilities. Got it.

No.   For me, of the two choices available to us, Trump is the worst choice.   No need for drama ("worst of all possibilities").

I am truly mystified how anyone who pays close attention to what has been going on would still want to see Trump as PotUS.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.7    3 months ago
So if your hypothesis is correct, what point does that lead to?

The question is will they get the piece of mind they voted for?  Did they really think this battle of ideologies is going to end now?


But you do not explain why, given all that you now know about Trump, you would still want to see Trump holding the office of PotUS.

Ok, I'll explain:  I want border security, originalist Judges, fair trade deals, the remain-in-Mexico policy, a strong military and putting American jobs first. That's all going to be scrapped now.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.9  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.3    3 months ago
The GOP will try and rebuild. Most important, for the average working American, the search for a leader has begun.

CUT The crap! Donald Trump has gotten his fangs into the RNC, and he drove those damningly deep into its 'flesh.' Donald, "the Snake," intends to not let any of it go anywhere that he can not come.

The Republican Party will have to cut off its damaged "limbs" poisoned by an ASP named Trump, and restart anew. Bye Trump supporters- don't let the door hit any of you in the "crack" on the way out!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @5.2.9    3 months ago

Love the imagery of your words. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.11  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.8    3 months ago
The question is will they get the piece of mind they voted for?  Did they really think this battle of ideologies is going to end now?

That is a good question.   One thing I can offer is that Trump was divisive.   Will Biden be as divisive as Trump?   I would be shocked if that were the case.   But not being divisive as Trump does not bring the nation together.   Biden will, at the best, make a little progress in four years but I predict the nation will remain harshly politically divided for the foreseeable future.   To get past that we would need some exceptional role-model style leadership and there currently is nothing like that in place.

Ok, I'll explain:  I want border security, originalist Judges, fair trade deals, the remain-in-Mexico policy, a strong military and putting American jobs first. That's all going to be scrapped now.

That I understand.   You liked his policies and were willing to put aside his character flaws, dishonesty, etc. because ultimately he was pursuing an agenda you prefer.  

But now, given what you know of his behavior in four years, coupled with his failing to properly act with COVID-19 (downplaying because he thought that was best for him politically regardless of what was best for the nation — aka putting himself first) and then especially this irrational, irresponsible election fraud con, how could you possibly want this malignant narcissist, pathological liar to be PotUS?

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
5.2.12  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.8    3 months ago

We didn't have any of that with Trump, despite all the bluster.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.11    3 months ago
One thing I can offer is that Trump was divisive.  

We can easily argue that the last two (both 44 & 45) were divisive.


but I predict the nation will remain harshly politically divided for the foreseeable future.   To get past that we would need some exceptional role-model style leadership and there currently is nothing like that in place.

Agreed.


But now, given what you know of his behavior in four years, coupled with his failing to properly act with COVID-19 (downplaying because he thought that was best for him politically regardless of what was best for the nation — aka putting himself first) and then especially this irrational, irresponsible election fraud con, how could you possibly want this malignant narcissist, pathological liar to be PotUS?

It looks like I'm right back where I was in 2015 - on the Ted Cruz/Marco Rubio bandwagon, until something better appears.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.14  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.13    3 months ago

Two who wound up carrying water for Trump?    Vic, I recommend raising your bar over those two.   I do not know who might emerge, but I hope the individual is substantially more impressive than those two.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.2.15  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2    3 months ago

China has the Biden's by the balls...the truth will come out eventually.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
5.2.16  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2    3 months ago
We can only guess who arranged that.

Perhaps it was the voters. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.17  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @5.2.15    3 months ago

Well, until "the truth" (you seek) finally gets here can you damp down those conspiratorial senses of yours?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.2.18  Greg Jones  replied to  CB @5.2.17    3 months ago
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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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7  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    3 months ago

How many voters voted for Joe Biden thinking a Biden victory would be a return to normalcy?

81,009,468. 

and PS:  There will never be a return to 'normalcy'.  And heads-up, it will take all of us working together to figure out the road to recovery. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
7.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 months ago

Amen, sister...the road to recovery will be paved by a new generation of leaders.

Our generation has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that nostalgia, acceptance of the status quo, all while ignoring the shifting demographics has led us to this most untenable of places. 

Biden will only be a stop-gap in stemming the tide and he deserves a chance to do so according to the will of the people. The road promises to be fraught with continued dissension, distrust, and disinformation.

Here’s to a new brand of leadership emerging from the ashes...one with an understanding of our commonality, a willingness to compromise, and an unwavering dedication to truthful communication. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @7.1    3 months ago
.the road to recovery will be paved by a new generation

I doubt anyone can assume what that will look like. Could they counter the boomer generation of the 60's?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.1    3 months ago

The Hippies and Flower Child of the 60's are starting to die off. They're in their mid 70's

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.2    3 months ago

You mean social activists. 

They had children that idolized them.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.3    3 months ago

You can call them whatever you want.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.3    3 months ago

Yes and people like YOU quote them when you think it bolsters your agenda. So what's your point Vic? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
7.2  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 months ago

Contradictory, or are you now claiming that 81,009,468 voters were wrong?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8  Kavika     3 months ago

Back to my question what happens to half the country? Some Trump supporters (but not all) believe the election was stolen. 

Does that make them white supremacists? 

Yes, a large number of them are white supremacists the remainder of them that believe that the election has stolen are delusional. 

Some are both white supremacists and delusional. A twofer.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
8.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Kavika @8    3 months ago
Some Trump supporters (but not all) believe the election was stolen. 

As long as Trump tells them to believe it, they are going to continue to believe it.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @8    3 months ago
Yes, a large number of them are white supremacists

Um hum.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8.3  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @8    3 months ago
Does that make them white supremacists? 

Simply put--NO.

Ridiculous assumption.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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8.3.1  Sunshine  replied to  Texan1211 @8.3    3 months ago

But the "uniters" will keep pushing that narrative.  Can you feel the love?

maybe you could see better without that pillowcase over your head ...
 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  Sunshine @8.3.1    3 months ago

I read that, considered the source, and immediately dismissed it as the ravings of a lunatic.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.3.3  Kavika   replied to  Texan1211 @8.3    3 months ago

Here is one of the white supremacists outside the capitol and again inside the capitol bldg. So no white supremacists did you say. Of course, there are many more photos with gallows, guys wearing 6MWE shirts. If they're not white supremacists they are just your everyday racist.

512

512

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @8.3.3    3 months ago
So no white supremacists did you say.

Jesus H Christ, I get so tired of people claiming I stated something I didn't.

Where did I say there were no white supremacists?

Kind of hard to respect someone who deliberately posts falsehoods about what I post.

It also makes me question if you even fucking bothered to read exactly WTF I DID post.

No need to reply, unless you just want the last word.

Let's see what else you can say I stated that I didn't.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.3.5  Kavika   replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.4    3 months ago
Does that make them white supremacists? 

Simply put--NO.

Ridiculous assumption.

Your words. Why would I care if you had any respect for me, too funny. To be clear I don't care at all.

Go back to playing word games.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @8.3.5    3 months ago

I will call you out every single time you misrepresent what I write or outright lie about what I write.

Best get used to it if you are going to continue doing it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @8.3.5    3 months ago

BTW, your assertion that they are white supremacists because they are Trump supporters is just freaking hilarious.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.3.8  Kavika   replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.6    3 months ago
I will call you out every single time you misrepresent what I write or outright lie about what I write. Best get used to it if you are going to continue doing it.

You have nothing to say about the white supremacists that were at the Capitol. Keep on deflecting.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @8.3.8    3 months ago

Maybe it will get you honest.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @8.3.8    3 months ago
You have nothing to say about the white supremacists that were at the Capitol. Keep on deflecting.

No deflecting, just calling out lies.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
8.3.11  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.7    3 months ago
BTW, your assertion that they are white supremacists because they are Trump supporters is just freaking hilarious.

Wait WHAT? 

Over multiple comments, you've decried 'deliberately posts falsehoods' about what a member's posts yet YOU just did so. Here is what Kavika stated:

Some Trump supporters (but not all) believe the election was stolen.  Does that make them white supremacists? 

READ it.

It makes NO claim that they are 'white supremacists because they are Trump supporters'. 

It's predicated on their belief that the election was stolen. 

Nuance isn't your strong point. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8.3.12  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.3.11    3 months ago
Back to my question what happens to half the country? Some Trump supporters (but not all) believe the election was stolen. Does that make them white supremacists?  Yes, a large number of them are white supremacists the remainder of them that believe that the election has stolen are delusional.

THIS is what he wrote.

My answer only can make sense when you know what the fuck was asked.

Whether you think so or not is irrelevant to me.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.3.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.7    3 months ago

They were probably white supremacists before they became Trump supporters. That chicken or egg aspect is pretty irrelevant now though. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
8.3.14  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.12    3 months ago

CONTEXT!

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8.3.15  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.3.13    3 months ago

If you read his entire post, I have every confidence that you would be able to tell clearly that was not the case he was making.

I maintain now, and always will, that being a Trump supporter didn't make anyone a white supremacist, and that there are millions of Americans who voted for Trump who are not white supremacists.

It is just a nasty, dirty, infantile tactic of lumping all Trump supporters with white supremacists, which I will continue to call people out on.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8.3.16  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.3.14    3 months ago

You would know what context was had you finished reading his post, or where I quoted his words to you.

He asked and answered his own question.

And I called him out on it.

Sorry if you don't like it, but then again, you don't have to like it.

Feel free to take the last word now, I know how important it is to you.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.3.17  Kavika   replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.9    3 months ago

Honest is a bridge too far for you.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.3.18  Kavika   replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.10    3 months ago

Calling out yourself, how cool is that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8.3.19  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @8.3.17    3 months ago

Sure, shoot the messenger for accurately quoting you and calling you out.

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
8.3.20  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.16    3 months ago
I know how important it is to you.

Man, that is not a lie

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
8.3.21  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.16    3 months ago
You would know what context was had you finished reading his post, or where I quoted his words to you.

I did. Next? 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
8.3.22  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @8.3.20    3 months ago

Your bravery is overwhelming. /s

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9  CB     3 months ago
It's all to degrade Trump and his entire legacy and prevent him from running again.

Vic,  Donald Trump takes no responsibility for the trouble he causes. And, now I am really, really, giving up hope on those who write supportively about this delusional man!

Why do you think Donald Trump is NOT delusional?  Trump supporters, all grown adults, know damn well that life is managed by facts and rules, and that whim can only hold up so far and long.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @9    3 months ago

I'm more interested in Joe Biden acting like a man.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    3 months ago

That's never been a problem for President Elect Joe Biden.

Now the current 'president' on the other hand . . . . . 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
9.1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    3 months ago

Perhaps it is time for the emphasis on ‘manly’ attributions to become less valuable than one’s ‘humanly’ traits.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  r.t..b... @9.1.2    3 months ago

There you go!  Humanity over so called 'manliness'

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.4  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    3 months ago

Well, maybe you should define what the characteristics of a man are from your perspective. Please.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @9.1.4    3 months ago
maybe you should define what the characteristics of a man are from your perspective.

You know, qualities traditionally associated with men, such as courage, strength, (and for the ladies sexual potency) and fortitude.

Something I've yet to see from the likes of Joe Biden.

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.5    3 months ago

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r.t..b...
Masters Participates
9.1.7  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.5    3 months ago

Strange, I know many more women than ‘men’ that daily exhibit true courage, strength and fortitude.

While doing so quietly and with resolve... not wearing them like a badge. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @9.1.7    3 months ago

I agree with that. Maybe that's why so many that I admire happen to be women.

Maybe it's because women don't have to, while it is a requirement for manhood.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
9.1.9  Gordy327  replied to  r.t..b... @9.1.2    3 months ago

That's a rather outdated attitude. Someone's "manliness" is irrelevant.  I'm more concerned with how well they can do their job rather than how well they can hose down everything with testosterone.

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
9.1.10  Ender  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.9    3 months ago

Just look at what donald's 'bravado' has wrought us.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
9.1.11  Gordy327  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.9    3 months ago

Sorry r.t.b..,  that reply was meant for Vic 9.1 & 9.1.5.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
9.1.12  Kathleen  replied to  CB @9.1.4    3 months ago

If you want to hear from a woman’s point of view it would be, respect, responsibility, treating women with respect, taking care of his family, not being afraid to show emotions, good work ethic, communication. Maybe more, but that’s all I could think of...  : )

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Principal
9.1.13  Raven Wing  replied to  r.t..b... @9.1.2    3 months ago
Perhaps it is time for the emphasis on ‘manly’ attributions to become less valuable than one’s ‘humanly’ traits.

The only way Trump can lay claim to be a man is his nads. Otherwise, there is no other way that he can be considered to be a man. Even his Nazi spy and Mafia follower Father had more guts than Donny has. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.5    3 months ago
You know, qualities traditionally associated with men, such as courage, strength, (and for the ladies sexual potency) and fortitude.Something I've yet to see from the likes of Joe Biden.

Your comments are getting more nonsensical as the hours and days proceed. Are pathological liars "manly" Vic? How about crooks? Cheats? Malignant narcissists? Sexual assaulters ? 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.15  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.5    3 months ago

Okay, so courage, strength, and fortitude are what Trump supporters imply is on display in the lies, delusions, and weasel words of Donald J. Trump. Got it. Carry on, Vic!

 
 
 
Suz
Freshman Participates
9.1.16  Suz  replied to  Kathleen @9.1.12    3 months ago

Add non-judgmental to that.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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9.1.17  dennis smith  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.1    3 months ago

A man doesn't hide in his basement for months on end.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
9.1.18  dennis smith  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.9    3 months ago

Tell that to Biden, he wants to go behind the barn with Trump and prove he is more manly.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10  JohnRussell    3 months ago
I doubt it can be done. It would take a real leader.

I suppose you think Trump is a real leader. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @10    3 months ago

The America First Movement proved it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    3 months ago

Thanks to Trump's leadership , his party is out of the white house and the minority in the House and Senate. He is also largely responsible for about 1 in 3 Republicans being a ridiculous conspiracy nut . 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    3 months ago

"The America First Movement proved it."

Sounds like a Bowel Movement - A Messy Liquid Diarrhea Movement

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
10.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.1    3 months ago

Using your own logic, does that mean that you think Trump got elected because of the failures of Democratic leadership?

And the GOP took the House in 2016--again, a failure of Democratic leadership?

And the Senate also--again, a failure of Democratic leadership?

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
10.1.4  Veronica  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.3    3 months ago

I believe all three of those statements and I am far from being a Republican.  It is time for more from all sides of our political arenas.  It is time to start seeing what we all have in common instead of what we have that is different. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
10.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    3 months ago

Too bad his actions demonstrated otherwise, as is consequently demonstrated by his election loss.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Veronica @10.1.4    3 months ago

I'm sorry, this kumbaya business will have to wait until Trump is in the rear view mirror getting smaller by the second. 

Trump got elected because his lies and his "white grievance" aspect appealed to enough people, and they thought he "makes liberals cry". 

If I voted for Trump knowing he was a piece of shit human being, as many people did, I'd have a hard time looking at myself in the shaving mirror every morning. 

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
10.1.7  Veronica  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.6    3 months ago

I'm sorry, but your opinion means very little to me.  If you do not agree with what I said, fine, but I have the right to think & hope people like Trump and apparently you will learn there are moderates on both sides out there that wish your types will just shut the fuck up and let the adults run the government.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Veronica @10.1.7    3 months ago

You compare me to Donald Trump and you think you are the adult ?  LOL. 

I am so sick of a lot of the shit I have seen on this site over the past four years from "moderates".  If the moderates and independents had been properly engaged in 2016 and realized what Trump was, this tragic-comedy of 2016 -2020 woudln't have happened. 

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
10.1.9  Veronica  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.8    3 months ago

I am certainly thinking more clearly than you are.  You only see through your hatred & that makes your sight blurry.  

I did my job in 2016 and 2020.  I voted.  Being loud & obnoxious does nothing but turn moderates off & that is what people like you do DAILY.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Veronica @10.1.7    3 months ago

Veronica, in 2011 Donald Trump wanted to run for president in 2012, but he didnt have a political base. He tried to create a political base by reviving the racist birther theory that had been very popular among conservatives in 2009-2010. So he lied about the sitting president for months and built up a racist following that hated Obama. Unfortunately for Trump Obama called his bluff and produced his long form birth certificate and Trump slunk away in shame. A few years later he was ready to try for the presidency again. Once again he based his political popularity on white grievance, and this time it caught on ands eventually he won the presidency. 

Problem is, Trump was still the opportunistic race baiting scumbag he proved himself to be in 2011.  In and of itself, his birther escapades should have disqualified him to run for high office, the same way a klan leader or neo Nazi would have been disqualified. But a lot of people who felt like they were losing  the America they grew up with , aka run by whites, and he won. The rest, as they say, is history. 

Of course , quite a few of the ups and downs of Trump's era do not have anything to do with race per se, but it has always been the base of the foundation. 

Too many independents voted for Trump in 2016, which , given his background, character, and birtherism, was indefensible. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Veronica @10.1.9    3 months ago

I dont hate Donald Trump, but I sure as hell am never going to make excuses for him either. 

Douglas Brinkley, a professor of history and the author of many best selling books on US history including The American Heritage History Of The United States said in a television interview this afternoon that Trump is EASILY the worst president America has ever had. 

It isnt possible to be too condemning of this man. But it is possible to be too little. 

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
10.1.12  Veronica  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.10    3 months ago

You do not have to tell me anything about Donald Trump, he has been fleecing my state for YEARS.  You can tell me nothing that I do not already know and your assumption that you can & your tone in your reply is very insulting.

I am not an independent, I am not a Democrat, I am not a Republican.  I am a free thinking person that does research on the candidates ON MY OWN (with no help from bull horns) and vote for the candidate that best fits my thoughts and life.  If that is not good enough for you - tough shit.  

Most people do not need YOU to tell them what they should do & what they need to know about Trump,

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
10.1.13  Veronica  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.11    3 months ago
I dont hate Donald Trump

Your words on Newstalkers make that very hard to believe.  And frankly I don't give a shit whether you hate him or not, but your words on this site are definitely ruled by hatred of something or someone.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Veronica @10.1.13    3 months ago

I'm not going to argue with you any more than we already have. I'll just say that without people opposing Trump , every day, he would be president for four more years. 

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
10.1.15  Veronica  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.14    3 months ago

Opposing, shouting and demeaning others are very different things.  I opposed him in MY way, just because it wasn't your way doesn't it make it less.  

We wouldn't be having this discussion at all if you had not belittled my thoughts on what needs to be done to heal this country.  You are no better then gun toting far rights, because you will not listen to ANYONE that does not agree with you 100%.  There are plenty of people here in the middle & on the left that have told you that before.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.16  JohnRussell  replied to  Veronica @10.1.15    3 months ago

When Trump is GONE and in the dustbin of history, that will be the time to say, if it is true, that the left is just as bad as the right. 

NOW is not the time. 

If everyone in "the resistance" had taken the position that we all have to get along and the anti-Trumpers are just as bad as the Trumpers, he would have been re-elected.  Thank God that did not happen during this election year to the extent that some "moderates" would have liked. 

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
10.1.17  Veronica  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.16    3 months ago
NOW is not the time. 

And who made you the decider of things.  Your self-importance is astounding.

And what is this "the resistance" you are speaking of?  Are you in a Star Wars movie or are you just overly dramatic?  It comes to voters.  And they voted.  

Don't believe in your god so I owe him no thanks.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.18  JohnRussell  replied to  Veronica @10.1.17    3 months ago

Trump lost because people resisted his idiocy for four years and exposed him, not because people said lets all get along. 

We'll get along when he's gone. 

The WORST president in American history (245 years),  and you are complaining because people opposed him every day. 

I , and the others here on NT like me, are just a few of the millions that did.  You should thank us. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
10.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Veronica @10.1.17    3 months ago

Reading these posts with some amusement.

Aren't you glad this is true?

I'm not going to argue with you any more than we already have. I'll just say that without people opposing Trump , every day, he would be president for four more years. 

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Veronica
Junior Guide
10.1.20  Veronica  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.18    3 months ago
You should thank us.

I will thank you for nothing.  You go about causing problems where there are none just like you did with me today.  Get over yourself, you are not that powerful & if you think your shouting and belly aching for the last four years changed anyone's mind about who they were going to vote for in 2020 you are also delusional.  Just as MAGAs, Vics & Greg's loud support of Trump did nothing to change anyone's mind. 

Have a high opinion of yourself don't you - YOU saved the US from Trump.  What bullshit - mostly you turn people OFF.

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
10.1.21  Veronica  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.19    3 months ago
Reading these posts with some amusement.

I am glad I have been a source of amusement.  

We do not usually agree on much, but you seldom speak to me as if I am a moron and have to be told who to vote for.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
10.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  Veronica @10.1.21    3 months ago

I hope you don't think I meant to insult you, that was certainly not my intention. Perhaps I could have worded that a little better.

I am much more amused by his posts and his replies to your coherent posts.

Such extremism just can not possibly be healthy for anyone.

I especially agree with your post 10.1.20.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
10.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  Veronica @10.1.21    3 months ago
We do not usually agree on much, but you seldom speak to me as if I am a moron and have to be told who to vote for.

People decide who to vote for all on their own, and for their own reasons. I try not to criticize that decision because I don't usually know why they voted as they did. Besides, why criticize that which can't be changed?

It is why we have elections--everyone gets a say. I am comfortable with that, and that is one reason why I accept Biden as our duly-elected next President.

The non-stop harangues over the last 4+ years over Trump have grown tiresome to many, I suspect. Not saying that much of it wasn't warranted, just that the constant barrage seems to lose significance when shoved down our throats on a daily basis.

Cheers!

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
10.1.24  Veronica  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.22    3 months ago

I didn't take it as an insult at all.  I knew what you were saying.  

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
10.1.25  Veronica  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.23    3 months ago
constant barrage seems to lose significance when shoved down our throats on a daily basis.

I agree.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
10.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Veronica @10.1.24    3 months ago

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Dulay
Professor Principal
12  Dulay    3 months ago
Thus far he has already falsely claimed that Wednesday's rioters were given special treatment that the lefts rioters were not. That is gaslighting on steroids! Here we had a protester shot and killed and 300 arrested with a genuine resolve to prosecute. The opposite of what happened to the thugs who terrorized big blue state cities all year.

From May 27th to June 1st 14,000 protest-related arrests were made in 48 US cities. 

Where did you get your 300 # Vic? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @12    3 months ago

From the arrests made involving Wednesday's riot. BTW one of them was the son of a prominent NY Judge:

FILE - In this Jan. 6, 2021 file photo, supporters of President Donald Trump, including Aaron Mostofsky, right, who is identified in his arrest warrant, walk down the stairs outside the Senate Chamber in the U.S. Capitol, in Washington. Federal agents arrested Mostofsky, the son of a New York judge, on charges that he was among the protestors who stormed the U.S. Capitol, the FBI said on Tuesday, Jan. 12. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)

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From May 27th to June 1st 14,000 protest-related arrests were made in 48 US cities. 

How many were prosecuted?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
12.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1    3 months ago
From the arrests made involving Wednesday's riot.

SOURCE? Link? Proof? Anything other than speculation and innuendo? 

How many were prosecuted?

Save your goal post moving for someone who is stupid enough to take the bait. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
12.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1    3 months ago

So again, you devolve to silence after being challenged with facts. 

You make false allegations against Biden yet can't support your own statements. 

Perhaps some self reflection is in order before you post future pontifications. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
12.2  dennis smith  replied to  Dulay @12    3 months ago

Most were released without spending more than 1 day in jail. Proof is available on line if you want it.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
12.2.1  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @12.2    3 months ago
Most were released without spending more than 1 day in jail. Proof is available on line if you want it.

Thanks for supporting the fact that they were indeed arrested dennis. After all, THAT is the predicate of this thread. 

 
 
 
Thomas
Freshman Guide
13  Thomas    3 months ago

Vic,

The first step on the road to recovery is admitting you have a problem. The American people have a problem, and both right and left wings are complicit in the perpetuation of this problem. What is the problem that we as a country have? We are devolving, dividing into two nations not separated by physical borders but ideologically drawn and, more often than not, falsely defined and speciously laid out fraudulent and illogical reasoning.  This reasoning is followed until we reach a point were we hopefully recognize the reasoning is fraudulent, or something happens to make all of us sit back and re-examine the basis of our beliefs 

The most recent manifestation of these false beliefs happened last Wednesday in Washington D.C. at the Capitol building. I would hope that the storming of the Capitol building by a mob of Trump supporters for the sole and fraudulent purpose of changing the results of a free and fair election would make every citizen stop and carefully examine their own motivators, question the foundations of their beliefs, and look deeply into their souls to determine if they were doing right by their fellow country members. These people, these citizens who carried out the heinous action against the seat of democracy, were misguided on several levels. They received verifiably false information from the President himself, from their elected officials in the House of Representatives and Senate, from their elected officials at the state and local level, from numerous and varied social media sites... the list goes on and on. This use of misinformation wasn't just a recent occurrence, either. It has been recognized as a tool for developing radicalism for decades, centuries, even. The only thing different today is there exist many more portals to receive information through. Literally millions and millions of people carry their news portals right with them, alert for the next "buzz" of info to feed their addiction, to help legitimize the way they feel. I know. I have my own little dopamine injector in my pocket. 

It was once said that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not there own facts. The president altered this and made up his own facts. He has done this since well before he was in office until this latest craven act of sedition. This was not new for him, and the presidency just gave him a larger megaphone through which to lie. He has lied everyday, multiple times.  This is what happens when we let a madman lead our country. He was part and parcel of the lies, the leader of the descent into madness that culminated (hopefully!) at the storming of the Capitol. With any luck, this largest of the lying figureheads downfall will start the people of this country to thinking, to realize that we have much more in common with each other as human beings than divides us along false lines as political partisanship now does. 

Already, though, the partisans are descending back into their lies and disinformation, trying to bend people's perception of reality to make them "Right." To give them "traction" over the way that their followers think. This happens on all sides. Everyone wants to hear that their beliefs are true. Thing is, some of them are and some of them are not. It sucks that we can't all slip into the quantum reality were we are always right, but we cannot.

In the past decade, our trust in the mainstream media has been shaken, not necessarily by mistakes on their own part, but by demagogues who continuously harp and rail against it. Some of the MSM has even departed from the presentation of factual and verifiable information towards opinion. It is this trend towards the presentation of opinion as fact, as well as the presentation of false information as fact, that must be halted and reversed. There are still quite a few news resources that present factual, verifiable and actionable news. These are the ones who we should be supporting by watching and reading. The rest are just awful representations of the "other guy". (Hint: If several ratings of one's news site do not list them as being a highly factual news site, then it probably would be better to steer away from them, or at least check their content against other news sites."

So, in answer to your question How many voters voted for Joe Biden thinking a Biden victory would be a return to normalcy?, I can confidently say I don't have the foggiest idea. I know that I did not think a return to normalcy would happen, because I don't have a definition for normal. If by normal you mean to say polite disagreement, I think that is a good way off, if it is even achievable with the disinformation distribution system that is in place now. Definitely getting rid of Donald Trump will help move us in the right direction.  

Love your neighbor. Love yourself. Respect that others have different viewpoints that come largely from experiential causes. But, for god's sake, stop peddling the bullshit.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
14  Kathleen    3 months ago

Do I think Joe Biden will bring unity? I don’t think he is strong enough. Too many people in this country are angry about everything that happened in this country for the last 4 years. There is too much hatred, bitterness, unfairness, violence on the streets and the capital. The bad feelings on each side will be very difficult to bring together. Unless something miraculous happens, sadly, my answer right now is “no”. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
14.1  TᵢG  replied to  Kathleen @14    3 months ago

Biden is not a charismatic leader, but simply having a decent person as PotUS who does not intentionally engage in divisive behavior will be an improvement.   But even more important is to not have as PotUS someone who truly does not care about anyone other than himself.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
14.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  TᵢG @14.1    3 months ago

I would not go as far to call him decent yet. I am not sure I trust him . He definitely has a different personality then Trump, and I did not like Trumps behavior, but, only time will tell how well he can handle things. There is already a problem with how he wants to handle the vaccines. There are disagreements about that and he has not been sworn in yet. That is whether he will release all the vaccines for the first dose or hold back some for the second dose. So, I am waiting to see what happens.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
14.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Kathleen @14.1.1    3 months ago
I would not go as far to call him decent yet.

'Decent' is not such a high bar is it?  

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
14.1.3  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @14.1.2    3 months ago

LOL! ...............................................wait for it................................................

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
14.1.4  Kathleen  replied to  TᵢG @14.1.2    3 months ago

I don’t understand what you mean by that. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
14.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Kathleen @14.1.4    3 months ago

I referred to Biden as a decent person.   Almost in passing.   It is a pretty mild characterization of an individual.   It almost takes nothing to be deemed a decent person.  

I was surprised that you chose to note that you would not yet grant Biden the modest level of 'decent person'.  

I did not expect that.   Especially since I was comparing him to Trump.   After all, if Trump is the basis for comparison most anyone would be considered decent.

(You asked.)

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
14.1.6  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @14.1.5    3 months ago
After all, if Trump is the basis for comparison most anyone would be considered decent.

Boy Howdy. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
14.1.7  Kathleen  replied to  TᵢG @14.1.5    3 months ago

I don’t know him personally, so in that sense I would not know if he was a decent person. I am not sure that I can trust him with his politics and that is high on my bar. If you are going to compare him to Trump then I would say his behavior is better. Although, after the election, I thought he was a idiot and he needs to be removed. My husband says Trump is not decent and Biden is probably decent.   Okay... I will go along with my husband then... lol

 
 
 
Suz
Freshman Participates
15  Suz    3 months ago

Biden bring unity?? 

He's already said he will not interfere with the impeachment. 

That only means he's afraid of Nancy Pelosi and the Broad Squad. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
15.1  Kathleen  replied to  Suz @15    3 months ago

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Gsquared
Sophomore Principal
15.2  Gsquared  replied to  Suz @15    3 months ago

Biden has as much authority to "interfere" with the impeachment process as Pence did with the Electoral College process.  None.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
15.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @15.2    3 months ago

if americans had to pass the same basic test to vote, as immigrants are required to pass for citizenship, there would never be a republican elected to office again.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
15.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @15.2.1    3 months ago
if americans had to pass the same basic test to vote, as immigrants are required to pass for citizenship, there would never be a republican elected to office again.

Oh, jeez.....seriously?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
15.2.3  Dulay  replied to  devangelical @15.2.1    3 months ago

Hell, I'd be encouraged if the candidates could pass that basic test. It's obvious Trump couldn't. 

 
 
 
Suz
Freshman Participates
15.2.4  Suz  replied to  Gsquared @15.2    3 months ago
Biden has as much authority to "interfere" with the impeachment process as Pence did with the Electoral College process.  None.

For real, G?? 

He has a voice and last I checked, he is the President-elect.  I'm sure he still knows how to pick up a phone and dial.   

 
 
 
Gsquared
Sophomore Principal
15.2.5  Gsquared  replied to  Suz @15.2.4    3 months ago
For real, G??

For real.  It's not his responsibilty.  And, why should he try to interfere?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
15.2.6  Dulay  replied to  Gsquared @15.2.5    3 months ago

The claim is that Trump isn't responsible for how fucked up the Congress is but Biden sure as hell will be.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
15.2.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @15.2.1    3 months ago

Funny you say that. A few years ago a friend of mine who came over from England became a citizen...she never votes Republican

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
15.2.8  Ender  replied to  Dulay @15.2.6    3 months ago

They are already blaming the Dems today. Saying the Democrats are not working for the people and only for partisan talking points blah blah.

Being hypocritical seems to be a default trait to some.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
15.2.9  dennis smith  replied to  Ender @15.2.8    3 months ago

The same can be said for the Dems. Take a breath and look at what they accomplished in the last 4 years. Nothing 

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
15.2.10  Ender  replied to  dennis smith @15.2.9    3 months ago

You are going to say that with a straight face?

Sure, blame the House for the Senate's lack of action...

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
15.2.11  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @15.2.9    3 months ago

It may behoove you to recognize that EVERY fucking bill that Trump takes credit for signing this session was passed through a DEMOCRATIC House of Representatives. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Senior Guide
15.3  Sunshine  replied to  Suz @15    3 months ago

Yeah he is definitely hands off on the impeachment.  He can’t influence them anyways.   They are the puppeteers for the puppet.

 
 
 
Suz
Freshman Participates
15.3.1  Suz  replied to  Sunshine @15.3    3 months ago
He can’t influence them anyways

Why do people keep saying that?   

Of course he can influence them.  He's afraid of Nancy. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
15.3.2  Dulay  replied to  Suz @15.3.1    3 months ago
He's afraid of Nancy. 

Why do YOU say that? What does President Joe Biden have to fear from Speaker Pelosi? Please be specific.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Senior Guide
15.3.3  Sunshine  replied to  Suz @15.3.1    3 months ago
He's afraid of Nancy</