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Who Would Hide a Jew if Nazis Took Over America?

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  4 years ago  •  137 comments

By:   Dennis Prager

Who Would Hide a Jew if Nazis Took Over America?
We have seen herdlike behavior and an unquestioning obedience to authority that few expected to witness in previously free countries such as the English-speaking ones. Worse, we have seen unquestioning obedience to irrational authority. Wearing masks outdoors is irrational. Yet a vast number of Americans have, sheeplike, obeyed irrational government demands to wear them. Telling people who have had COVID-19 to take a vaccine against COVID-19, when natural antibodies are longer lasting and...

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As usual Dennis Prager has some deep and important thoughts for us to consider. His article is right on about everything.  Particularly when it comes to secular progressives and when it comes to conformity.  


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There is something about most Jews that few non-Jews know: We Jews often ask ourselves if a non-Jew in our lives would hide us in the event of a Nazi-like outbreak.

I don't know if young Jews think about this, but nearly all Jews who grew up in the decades following the Holocaust often wondered: Would this non-Jew hide me?

I have thought about this all my life because the question, "Who hid Jews?" is one of the most important questions anyone -- Jew or non-Jew -- needs to think about. That question is far more important than "Who didn't hide Jews?" because great goodness is rarer than great evil and even rarer than simple moral cowardice. Yet, a vast number of books have been written attempting to understand evil, while relatively few have been written attempting to explain good.

The reason for this is simple: Since the Enlightenment, i.e., since the decline of Judeo-Christian thought, most secular people have believed, and nearly all secular thought has been predicated on, the reality-denying idea that human nature is essentially good. As a result, scholars regard good as the norm and evil as the aberration. So, they study evil far more than good.

That is why the question, "Who rescued Jews?" should be of overwhelming importance to humanity as a whole. If people are interested in increasing good and in decreasing evil, what question could be more important?

A lifetime of study of this question has led me to the following answers:

No. 1: Sam and Pearl Oliner, two professors of sociology at California State University at Humboldt, were the authors of one of the most highly regarded works on altruism, "The Altruistic Personality." The book was the product of the Oliners' lifetime of study of non-Jewish rescuers of Jews during the Holocaust. They themselves had been hidden by non-Jews in Poland, and I had the privilege of interviewing them. 

I asked Sam Oliner, "Knowing all you now know about who rescued Jews during the Holocaust, if you had to return as a Jew to Poland and you could knock on the door of only one person in the hope that they would rescue you, would you knock on the door of a Polish lawyer, a Polish doctor, a Polish artist or a Polish priest?"

Without hesitation, he responded, "Polish priest." And his wife immediately added, "I would prefer a Polish nun."

I should note that neither had a religious agenda, as both were secular Jews.

Of course, most Christians in Europe failed the moral test of the Holocaust, but so did nearly all secular intellectuals. And few Christians today deny this. But any honest person would still bet on a priest before a doctor, artist, lawyer or professor. It is one reason I believe that the decline of Judeo-Christian religions is a calamity: We will produce fewer people who will do great good.

No. 2: Another study of rescuers of Jews during the Holocaust offered four characteristics of rescuers. I read this book about 40 years ago and I do not remember the name of the book or three of the four characteristics. But I remember one of them because it struck me as an original insight and because it made so much sense. According to this study, individuals who were considered "eccentric" prior to the war were disproportionately represented among those who hid Jews.

Now, why would that be? Why would people regarded as eccentric be more likely to risk torture and death to hide a member of a persecuted group they weren't part of?

The answer is obvious: Eccentrics are, by definition, people who march to the beat of their own drummer, who are nonconformists, and who don't seek social approval.

That should give us some major insights into who would save Jews -- or any other group targeted for death (such as landowners in communist countries) -- if our society were taken over by Nazis or communists. 

If this theory about eccentrics is correct, it should give us pause. 

When I observe Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, and, for that matter, the citizens of most countries at this time, this observation about who would risk their lives to hide a Jew leaves me pessimistic with regard to how any of these groups would act under a Nazi or communist regime.

We have seen herdlike behavior and an unquestioning obedience to authority that few expected to witness in previously free countries such as the English-speaking ones. Worse, we have seen  unquestioning obedience to irrational authority .

Wearing masks outdoors is irrational. Yet a vast number of Americans have, sheeplike, obeyed irrational government demands to wear them. Telling people who have had COVID-19 to take a vaccine against COVID-19, when natural antibodies are longer lasting and more effective, not to mention safer, than a vaccine is irrational. Telling people who have been vaccinated or had COVID-19 to wear masks is irrational. Prolonged lockdowns of healthy people are irrational.

Yet tens of millions of Americans are unquestioningly obeying irrational orders and castigating those resisting or even questioning them. 

It was "eccentric" Christian pastors who kept their churches open and an "eccentric" Catholic priest who sued the state of California for denying him his constitutional right to minister to his flock -- and who prevailed against the state. Except for these clergymen and a handful of eccentric restaurant owners, almost all other Americans obeyed the state's irrational orders.

That is frightening because people who obey irrational orders and despise those who do not are precisely the type of people who didn't hide Jews.

So, then, here are two questions for American Jews to ponder: 

If a Nazi-like doctrine took over America, and you could knock on the door of someone who obeyed all government orders regarding masks, regardless of their rationality, or someone who questioned government authority and obeyed few or none of its mask orders -- on whose door would you knock? If you were given the choice between knocking on the door of an atheist professor and the door of an Evangelical pastor or a Catholic priest -- on whose door would knock?

Dennis Prager is a nationally syndicated radio talk-show host and columnist. His latest book, published by Regnery in May 2019, is "The Rational Bible," a commentary on the book of Genesis. His film, "No Safe Spaces," was released to home entertainment nationwide on September 15, 2020. He is the founder of Prager University and may be contacted at dennisprager.com.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago
Yet tens of millions of Americans are unquestioningly obeying irrational orders and castigating those resisting or even questioning them. 

It was "eccentric" Christian pastors who kept their churches open and an "eccentric" Catholic priest who sued the state of California for denying him his constitutional right to minister to his flock -- and who prevailed against the state. Except for these clergymen and a handful of eccentric restaurant owners, almost all other Americans obeyed the state's irrational orders.

That is frightening because people who obey irrational orders and despise those who do not are precisely the type of people who didn't hide Jews.

So, then, here are two questions for American Jews to ponder: 

If a Nazi-like doctrine took over America, and you could knock on the door of someone who obeyed all government orders regarding masks, regardless of their rationality, or someone who questioned government authority and obeyed few or none of its mask orders -- on whose door would you knock? If you were given the choice between knocking on the door of an atheist professor and the door of an Evangelical pastor or a Catholic priest -- on whose door would knock?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    4 years ago

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Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1    4 years ago

Some governors need to be gotten out of the way and I don't give a rat's ass if they are D, R, or I.  Deathsantis and Abbot top the list.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.1    4 years ago

How do you propose to do that?  They were elected by their states and they and their AG’s are a constitutional check on federal power.  

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2  bbl-1    4 years ago

What an oxymoron of a question by Putin's puppet Dennis Prager.

I know who wouldn't hide Jews from Nazis.  That would be Nazis, Ku Kluxers, White Nationalist, the Three Percenters, Soverign Citizens, bulk of the MAGA hoard and the remainder of America's fetid underbelly.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @2    4 years ago

It is from the religious observing working and middle class that those who would protect Jews or another group targeted by a fascist communist or nazi dystopian government.  

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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2.1.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    4 years ago
It is from the religious observing working and middle class that those who would protect Jews or another group targeted by a fascist communist or nazi dystopian government.  

This seed is a steaming pile of dog-do propaganda,  and you know it.  Were it not, you wouldn't have posted it.

And PS:  You are the last person who should preach about what kind of person would slam the door in the face of someone truly in need.  You make it clear every day that you would shove to the ground a person in need just to have a better shot at spitting in the face of a little old lady wearing a Biden t-shirt. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.2  bbl-1  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    4 years ago

Religion has nothing to do with anything concerning the dweller in Mar-a-Lago.  Cut the crap.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.2    4 years ago

Theo owner and residents of that fine place are not in any way the topic of the seed here.  Please refrain from any additional off topic de railing attempts.  

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.4  bbl-1  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.3    4 years ago

Everything is about that--------------------dweller.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.4    4 years ago

Actually, no. In the real world we don’t compulsively obsess over prior campaigns and past Presidents nor let them live rent free in our minds.  It’s time to get over it and let him go.  Now, back onto the real subject of the seeded article here.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.7  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.5    4 years ago
let him go

That's coming from someone who is constantly promoting the disgraced criminal as the Republican presidential candidate for 2024.  

When you "let him go", and after his prosecutions result in much deserved convictions, we will, too.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.1    4 years ago

I would hide any Jewish person in a heartbeat if need be.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    4 years ago
If a Nazi-like doctrine took over America, and you could knock on the door of someone who obeyed all government orders regarding masks, regardless of their rationality, or someone who questioned government authority and obeyed few or none of its mask orders -- on whose door would you knock?

Another idiotic fever dream from right wing America. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 years ago

Prager is exactly right. Yet again, as he always is. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    4 years ago

Prager is a reactionary propagandist and he is never right.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1.2  bbl-1  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.1    4 years ago

Prager is an alleged American in the service of Putin's autocracy.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.1    4 years ago

He’s a highly educated intellectual person who is a deep thinker and advocates for a mainstream conservative point of view.  His opinions are shared by a great many ordinary Americans.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.2    4 years ago

The only people outside of the USA that he’s done anything for is the Jews of the Soviet Union.  He spoke up for them after visiting there.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.5  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.3    4 years ago

Prager is a right-wing propagandist, pure and simple.

If Prager represents a current "mainstream conservative point of view", that's a sad commentary on contemporary conservatism.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.5    4 years ago

What’s sad is the typical secular progressive lefts intolerance for any actual conservative pundit, writer, politician.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.8  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.6    4 years ago

We will unceasingly mock and laugh in the faces of lying, right-wing, extremist propagandists like Prager.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.8    4 years ago

That’s what we do to lying propagandists of extreme progressive liars daily including the branch covidians and their patron saint Fauci and high priestess Houchel. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.10  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.9    4 years ago
That’s what we do

If that's what you do, you certainly do it ineffectively.  No one sees anything coming from Trumpist-Fascists except hatred and rage and a constant and steady stream of lies and falsehoods. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3.1.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.4    4 years ago

Then why are Holocaust survivors in their 90's trying to survive off of 2 dollars a day if he has done so much for the Jewish of the SU?  That two dollars has to cover food, medicine, and essentials.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.11    4 years ago

He was helpful in getting many of them out of the Soviet Union to relocate to America or Israel.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 years ago

It is left wing America that is going to bring about the kind of dystopian future for America that Prager writes about.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.1    4 years ago

No, unlike secular progressives, we Christian  conservatives always get it right.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.2.3  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.2    4 years ago
we Christian  conservatives always get it right.

It hasn't happened yet.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.3    4 years ago

It happens all the time every time. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.2.5  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.4    4 years ago

Only in delusional Bizarro world.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.5    4 years ago

The world Joe Biden resides in.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4  Gsquared    4 years ago

The Trump supporter in the "Camp Auschwitz" T-shirt who invaded the Capitol during the Trump Insurrection on January 6th wouldn't be hiding any Jews.

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The Proud Boy Trump supporter in the "6 Million Wasn't Enough" T-shirt wouldn't be hiding any Jews.

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The Nazis in Charlottesville screaming "Jews will not replace us" that Trump called "very fine people" wouldn't be hiding any Jews.

800

800

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @4    4 years ago

All those in the pictures are not true Christians nor to they reflect any of the mainstream working and middle class Heartland Americans.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    4 years ago

It's not for me to say who is a true Christian.  You're the one on here who takes it upon himself to pronounce who is a true Christian or not.  And, they definitely do not represent the vast, overwhelming majority of working and middle class Americans, more of whom are Democrats than Republicans, of course.  Or, Americans of all classes for that matter.  What they (the depicted neo-Nazis and anti-Semites) are, however, is Trump supporters.  Surely a minority, but Trump supporters nevertheless.  Why do you suppose that is?

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.2  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    4 years ago
All those in the pictures are not true Christians

obviously, and they're all trumpsters ...

one picture shows a traitor flag, a nazi flag, and a teabag flag... add a trump flag and it's 4 of a kind...

 
 
 
bbl-1
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4.1.3  bbl-1  replied to  devangelical @4.1.2    4 years ago

And they're all made in China purchased through Trumpian merchandising schemes.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  devangelical @4.1.2    4 years ago

If Trump were a deck of cards, it would be all jokers.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5  Kavika     4 years ago

Seems that the so called Christians in Germany during Hitler were not the ones to ask to save Jews. 


Christianity and the Holocaust

Introduction

The vast majority of Germans belonged to a Christian church during the Nazi era. In 1933 there were 40 million Protestants, 20 million Catholics, and small numbers of people adhering to other Christian traditions. The German Evangelical Church (the largest Protestant church) and the Roman Catholic church were pillars of German society and played an important role in shaping people’s attitudes and actions vis-à-vis National Socialism, including anti-communism, nationalism, traditional loyalty to governing authorities (particularly among Protestants), and the convergence of Nazi antisemitism with widespread and deep-seated anti-Jewish prejudice.

Within the German Evangelical Church the pro-Nazi “German Christian” ( Deutsche Christen ) movement emerged in the early 1930s. It attempted to fuse Christianity and National Socialism and promoted a “racially-pure” church by attacking Jewish influences on Christianity. This attempt to nazify the primary Protestant church provoked a backlash, leading to the formation of the Confessing Church ( Bekennende Kirche ) in 1934. Both the Confessing and the “German Christian” movements remained part of the German Evangelical Church. The Confessing Church movement condemned Nazified theology and the attempt to nationalize the church, but it limited its protest to maintaining the theological integrity and autonomy of the Protestant churches—not protesting the legitimacy of the Nazi state itself. Although there were individual resisters, many mainstream Protestant and Catholic church leaders made numerous compromises with Nazi authorities and supported many of the Nazi measures throughout the period.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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5.1  Gsquared  replied to  Kavika @5    4 years ago

Excellent comment, Kavika.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @5    4 years ago
I don't know if young Jews think about this, but nearly all Jews who grew up in the decades following the Holocaust often wondered: Would this non-Jew hide me?

I have thought about this all my life because the question, "Who hid Jews?" is one of the most important questions anyone -- Jew or non-Jew -- needs to think about. That question is far more important than "Who didn't hide Jews?" because great goodness is rarer than great evil and even rarer than simple moral cowardice. Yet, a vast number of books have been written attempting to understand evil, while relatively few have been written attempting to explain good.

The reason for this is simple: Since the Enlightenment, i.e., since the decline of Judeo-Christian thought, most secular people have believed, and nearly all secular thought has been predicated on, the reality-denying idea that human nature is essentially good. As a result, scholars regard good as the norm and evil as the aberration. So, they study evil far more than good.

That is why the question, "Who rescued Jews?" should be of overwhelming importance to humanity as a whole. If people are interested in increasing good and in decreasing evil, what question could be more important?

A lifetime of study of this question has led me to the following answers:

No. 1: Sam and Pearl Oliner, two professors of sociology at California State University at Humboldt, were the authors of one of the most highly regarded works on altruism, "The Altruistic Personality." The book was the product of the Oliners' lifetime of study of non-Jewish rescuers of Jews during the Holocaust. They themselves had been hidden by non-Jews in Poland, and I had the privilege of interviewing them. 

I asked Sam Oliner, "Knowing all you now know about who rescued Jews during the Holocaust, if you had to return as a Jew to Poland and you could knock on the door of only one person in the hope that they would rescue you, would you knock on the door of a Polish lawyer, a Polish doctor, a Polish artist or a Polish priest?"

Without hesitation, he responded, "Polish priest." And his wife immediately added, "I would prefer a Polish nun."

I should note that neither had a religious agenda, as both were secular Jews.

Of course, most Christians in Europe failed the moral test of the Holocaust, but so did nearly all secular intellectuals. And few Christians today deny this. But any honest person would still bet on a priest before a doctor, artist, lawyer or professor. It is one reason I believe that the decline of Judeo-Christian religions is a calamity: We will produce fewer people who will do great good.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.2.1  Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2    4 years ago

You should add that US Christians didn't do well when it came to helping the Jews. 

Does the St. Louis right a bell?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @5.2.1    4 years ago

A typical democrat failure…

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.2.3  Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.2    4 years ago

So no coherent answer, not surprising. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.2.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.2    4 years ago

No, an isolationist view held by the country at the time, and a harsh quota system that FDR had to deal with.

An attempt to land in Miami was rejected by immigration authorities, and a desperate cable to Roosevelt by some passengers was ignored. Though a U.S. diplomat had tried to negotiate with Cuba to admit the refugees, the U.S. itself was unwilling to open its doors. The passengers would have to abide by an existing quota system that allowed only about 27,000 people from Germany and Austria into the United States.

A State Department official telegraphed the passengers, telling them that they “must await their turns on the waiting list and qualify for and obtain immigration visas before they may be admissible into the United States.” Though Roosevelt had considered a concerted push to rescue Jewish refugees the year before the St. Louis sailed, he eventually dropped the idea, both because he knew it would be politically unpopular and because of his increasing focus on the looming world war.

btw, all those Cuban refugees that you were so eager to let in, were heartless about the St. Louis and turned them away after taking a lot of money from the refugees for Visas that were supposed to let them in. It was a most disgusting time in history. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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5.2.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kavika @5.2.3    4 years ago

You expected otherwise?

 
 
 
Hallux
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6  Hallux    4 years ago

As with Trump University, there is no such place as Prager University. Both are shams.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 years ago

As the daughter of a Holocaust survivor, I can tell you that the question all Jews ask themselves is NOT " if a non-Jew in our lives would hide us in the event of a Nazi-like outbreak." It's "Could the Holocaust happen here?" and of course we know it can. But not for the reasons that Prager says, like mask or vaccine mandates, but because it actually took root here during WWII. I grew up in a town that was Long Island's headquarters for the Bund, the American Nazi Party, and lived almost every day of my early life being called a Kike. We know Lindberg was a Nazi Sympathizer and on the evening of Feb 20, 1939, there was a huge rally at Madison Square Garden of actually American Nazis saluting the swastika, while singing the Star Spangled Banner, on the birthday of Geroge Washington.  

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Nazi storm troopers fill the aisles as the crowd sings "The Star-Spangled Banner" at the opening of the German American Bund's rally at Madison Square Garden.

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A color guard holding American flags and a banner inscribed with the Nazi swastika stands before an immense portrait of George Washington at the German American Bund's rally at Madison Square Garden.

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And to answer Prager's ridiculous question, "What Christian would take a Jew in?", maybe he should have checked into his own question.
The people in attendance were there because a ttendees wore Nazi armbands, waved American flags and held aloft posters with slogans like "Stop Jewish Domination of Christian America." There were storm troopers in the aisles, their uniforms almost identical to those of Nazi Germany. The speeches were explicitly anti-Semitic, and tirades against "job-taking Jewish refugees" were met with thunderous applause. "They demanded a white gentile America. They denounced Roosevelt as 'Rosenfeld,' to say that Roosevelt was in the pocket of rich Jews," said Sarah Churchwell, author of  Behold, America . In equal measure to the xenophobia, the speeches were loaded with American boosterism.
One of the main speakers, Gerhard Wilhelm Kunze, the national public relations director of the Bund, pointed to the white supremacy present at America's founding as a nation. "The spirit which opened the West and built our country is the spirit of the militant white man," he preached. Kunze followed the thread of racism that runs through American history to bolster his vision for a whites-only America. He cited anti-miscegenation laws, the Chinese Exclusion Act, Jim Crow policies and immigration quotas. "It has then always been very much American to protect the Aryan character of this nation," Kunze told the audience.
Prager shouldn't be asking what neighbor will hide him. He should be saying "Never Again". Sadly, it is exactly the kind of Jew he is that he tries to rely on his neighbors, instead of standing up for himself.
 
 
 
bbl-1
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7.1  bbl-1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7    4 years ago

And they are still here and being supported by a former communist nation which has reverted to autocracy under the guidance of former KGB agent, Putin.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  bbl-1 @7.1    4 years ago

For an excellent analysis of what is going on in Putin's Russia, and in our own country, I highly recommend "The Road to Unfreedom" by Prof. Timothy Snyder.  It is possibly the most important book I have read in years.  I have read it several times and always learn more every time I do.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @7.1    4 years ago

There were communists in America too.  Neither fascist authoritarian group had any real chance of taking power here. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.2    4 years ago

They thought the same thing in Germany. The Jews had risen to very high positions under the Kaiser. The Nazis first went after the communists and then used that to go after the Jews. The Jews never saw it coming. How could they? They had been such an important part of German life before that.

So don't say it couldn't happen here. It sure could.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.3    4 years ago

Yes,  Frank Zappa was wrong.  It CAN happen here.  In Canada, and I'm sure also in the USA, Jewish students are harrassed on university campuses where antisemitism is flourishing - I have been corresponding with the head of Hillel Ontario, and have been made aware of what a change has happened from when I was a university student.  Jew-hatred is growing...and The Squad are helping it to happen.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.3    4 years ago
They had been such an important part of German life before that.

One could argue that Germany, before the Nazis, was the best European country for Jews to live in.


So don't say it couldn't happen here. It sure could.

Anti-Semitic words easily turn into actions. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.2  Gsquared  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7    4 years ago

Very important comment, Perrie.

 
 
 
Veronica
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8  Veronica    4 years ago
Who Would Hide A Jew If Nazis Took Over America?

Not a Trump supporter.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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9  MrFrost    4 years ago

Not MTG...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10  Trout Giggles    4 years ago

I think you should delete this seed.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

"So, then, here are two questions for American Jews to ponder: 

If a Nazi-like doctrine took over America, and you could knock on the door of someone who obeyed all government orders regarding masks, regardless of their rationality, or someone who questioned government authority and obeyed few or none of its mask orders -- on whose door would you knock? If you were given the choice between knocking on the door of an atheist professor and the door of an Evangelical pastor or a Catholic priest -- on whose door would knock?"


I love it!  I know this question was posed to American Jews, but I am going to attempt to answer for those who I was once acquainted with:

The first door they would Knock on would be the Catholic Priest. As I recall, there was the belief that the Archangel Michael led all forces against evil. Thus that door would be open.

Second would be the Evangelical Pastor who could be depended on to take the chance, at least for a while.

I believe the athiest professor would be completely avoided.

Here is the best part. After the Nazi-like regime had been defeated, I have to assume that American Jews would go right back to voting for the very same leftists who created such a state. The liberal culture of one's upbringing defies reason for some.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11    4 years ago
The first door they would Knock on would be the Catholic Priest. As I recall, there was the belief that the Archangel Michael led all forces against evil. Thus that door would be open.

Vic, are you aware that Pope Pius never spoke out against the Nazis during WWII. That Polish nationals, who were overwhelmingly Catholic, were active in helping the Nazis clear Jews from Poland? That even after the war, they were killing Jews after they got repatriated back into Poland? That my grandfather had to sleep with an ax under his bed to protect himself from his neighbors.... the very neighbors that Prager is saying will might help Jews. Now please don't get me wrong, there were some people of all faiths or non at all, that saved Jews, but it was the individual's choice and most went along with the program set forth by the Nazis, hence why Martin Niemöller's wrote his famous poem, "They came for the Jews". Btw, you seem to have forgotten about the Spanish Inquistion, which is how my Grandfather's family ended up in England. They were chased out of Spain. 

As for the Evangelical Pastor, it would depend on the denomination. Here in the US, many of them were part of the US Nazi Party during WWII

Here is the best part. After the Nazi-like regime had been defeated, I have to assume that American Jews would go right back to voting for the very same leftists who created such a state. The liberal culture of one's upbringing defies reason for some.

My upbringing taught me not to trust anyone and to help myself. It taught me to be compassionate to all people, since both my Jewish upbringing and my Indian one, understand what it is like to be treated cruelly and to be wary of those who say they are my friend. Those that I call friends, stand the test of time and come from all walks of life.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    4 years ago
Vic, are you aware that Pope Pius never spoke out against the Nazis during WWII.

I am aware of that, but he certainly didn't speak for Catholics, just as the New York Times which ignored the holocaust, didn't speak for Americans.


That Polish nationals, who were overwhelmingly Catholic, were active in helping the Nazis clear Jews from Poland? 

I am aware of that too. That was the Europe of the 30's & 40's.


That even after the war, they were killing Jews after they got repatriated back into Poland? That my grandfather had to sleep with an ax under his bed to protect himself from his neighbors.... the very neighbors that Prager is saying will might help Jews. Now please don't get me wrong, there were some people of all faiths or non at all, that saved Jews, but it was the individual's choice and most went along with the program set forth by the Nazis, hence why Martin Niemöller's wrote his famous poem, "They came for the Jews". Btw, you seem to have forgotten about the Spanish Inquistion, which is how my Grandfather's family ended up in England. They were chased out of Spain. 

Yes, I know the history. Why are you picking a fight with me?


As for the Evangelical Pastor, it would depend on the denomination. Here in the US, many of them were part of the US Nazi Party during WWII

That I did not know. Maybe you can show me more on that.


My upbringing taught me not to trust anyone and to help myself. It taught me to be compassionate to all people, since both my Jewish upbringing and my Indian one, understand what it is like to be treated cruelly and to be wary of those who say they are my friend. Those that I call friends, stand the test of time and come from all walks of life.

I think you had a great upbringing. This is not personal. It involves voting patterns.

Btw the places that we are most likely to find Anti-Semitic rhetoric today is within "the squad" and the American left.

I stand by my opinion.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.1    4 years ago
I am aware of that, but he certainly didn't speak for Catholics, just as the New York Times which ignored the holocaust, didn't speak for Americans.

Of course, he did. He is the head of the church. Those Catholics that did hide them defied the Pope and imperiled their lives. 

Yes, I know the history. Why are you picking a fight with me?

I am not trying to pick a fight with you, but rather set the record straight. This is not an abstract to me. This is what happened to my mother's family.

I think you had a great upbringing. This is not personal. It involves voting patterns.

Not everything has to do with voting patterns.

Btw the places that we are most likely to find Anti-Semitic rhetoric today is with "the squad" and the American left.

Jews are well aware of "The Squad". We are also aware of Charlottesville. Antisemitism is alive in both extremes and we know it. Again, one only has to look to history. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.2    4 years ago
Those Catholics that did hide them defied the Pope and imperiled their lives. 

Just like the Catholics that get divorced, marry outside their religion, believe in "pro-choice"...etc. IE the majority of American Catholics!


I am not trying to pick a fight with you, but rather set the record straight.

You obviously didn't like my assessment. Why not argue with the point I made?


This is not an abstract to me. This is what happened to my mother's family.

It's not an abstract to me either, I also have a personal interest in it.


Not everything has to do with voting patterns.

I thought it was very relevant to the question.


Jews are well aware of "The Squad". We are also aware of Charlottesville. Antisemitism is alive in both extremes and we know it. Again, one only has to look to history. 

It can come from any place Perrie and we must always be on guard and put a stop to it right away.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.4    4 years ago
Those Catholics that did hide them defied the Pope and imperiled their lives. 
Just like the Catholics that get divorced, marry outside their religion, believe in "pro-choice"...etc. IE the majority of American Catholics!

I don't understand your point here. Are these bad Catholics or just people making individual choices?

I am not trying to pick a fight with you, but rather set the record straight.

You obviously didn't like my assessment. Why not argue with the point I made?

What assessment? You made that comment after I wrote this:

That even after the war, they were killing Jews after they got repatriated back into Poland? That my grandfather had to sleep with an ax under his bed to protect himself from his neighbors.... the very neighbors that Prager is saying will might help Jews. Now please don't get me wrong, there were some people of all faiths or non at all, that saved Jews, but it was the individual's choice and most went along with the program set forth by the Nazis, hence why Martin Niemöller's wrote his famous poem, "They came for the Jews". Btw, you seem to have forgotten about the Spanish Inquistion, which is how my Grandfather's family ended up in England. They were chased out of Spain. 

I saw no assessment other than you thinking I was trying to pick a fight with you, which I wasn't.

 
 
 
Kavika
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11.1.7  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.1    4 years ago
I am aware of that too. That was the Europe of the 30's & 40's.

Actually, Poland of today is returning to its roots of the 30s and 40s. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.1.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.6    4 years ago
I don't understand your point here. Are these bad Catholics or just people making individual choices?

Many Catholics don't follow the Pope regardless of Pope XII's silence on the holocaust or even real stances taken.

What assessment? 

The one you seem upset about, namely that American Jews trend left, even when the left stands behind the likes of Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib or the faculty at colleges like CUNY.



I saw no assessment other than you thinking I was trying to pick a fight with you, which I wasn't.

Then why the lecture on the 1940's?  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.8    4 years ago
The one you seem upset about, namely that American Jews trend left, even when the left stands behind the likes of Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib or the faculty at colleges like CUNY.

American Jews trend Democrat, not left. There is a difference you know. And in case you missed it, Chuck Schumer was not taking any of the garbage from those women. And my SIL went to Queens College (CUNY) undergrad, and never ran into a facility member that was anti-Semitic. In fact, they have a huge Jewish Studies Dept at the school. 

As for the lecture on the 1940's, it was in reaction to who would take in Jews. I was showing you a historic context for that, because you seem to think that it couldn't happen here, or that some groups of people would be upstanding and others wouldn't. It just doesn't hold water to me.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.9    4 years ago
And my SIL went to Queens College (CUNY) undergrad, and never ran into a facility member that was anti-Semitic. In fact, they have a huge Jewish Studies Dept at the school. 

As of July, 2021:

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City University of New York (CUNY) professors are leaving the faculty union in droves after it passed a resolution condemning Israel as an "apartheid" state.

The Professional Staff Congress, CUNY’s chapter of the American Federation of Teachers, approved a "Resolution in Support of the Palestinian People" in June. The union "condemns the massacre of Palestinians by the Israeli state" and formally backs the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement. The   New York Post   reported on July 25 that at least 50 faculty members resigned from the union after the resolution passed, though some professors told the   Washington Free Beacon   that the number could be more than 100.

The first professor to resign, Jeffrey Lax, told the   Free Beacon   that the union’s statement is   inconsistent   because it simultaneously claims that Israel is a "diverse nation state."

"Which one is it? Either you’re a diverse nation state or an apartheid state. They’re talking out of both sides of their mouth," Lax said.

The union’s statement came weeks after Hamas attacked Israel and launched more than 4,000 rockets into the Jewish state, killing several Israeli citizens. The Israeli military’s targeted counterstrikes neutralized several terrorist weapons caches and Hamas leaders.

CUNY has been dogged with accusations of anti-Semitism for years. In June, a pro-Palestinian professor and several students   hacked   into a Hunter College Zoom lecture and recited anti-Semitic tropes. The CUNY system’s Graduate School of Public Health and Health Policy   selected   anti-Semitic activist Linda Sarsour as its commencement speaker in 2017. Later that year, CUNY   awarded   a top faculty honor to Beth Baron, a vocal proponent of boycotts targeting the Jewish state.

Jewish professors at CUNY told the   Free Beacon   that they’ve been subject to attacks from union leadership, colleagues, and students for years. Professors report having their tires slashed, their family photos destroyed, and Israeli flags stolen. University administrators refuse to respond to the professors’ allegations, even though an Equal Employment Opportunity Commission report from February confirmed CUNY has fostered a hostile environment for Jews.

Susan Aranoff, a business professor at Kingsborough Community College, told the   Free Beacon   that she was refused admission to the Progressive Faculty Caucus because she was Jewish. Members of that group—many of whom also belong to the Professional Staff Congress—excluded Aranoff from email lists and meetings. The professor has had Israeli flags stolen off of her car twice. After the second offense, she decided not to replace the flag to avoid further harassment.

Aranoff considered resigning from the union earlier this spring after American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten claimed Jews were "part of the ownership class" in response to questions about schools reopening during the coronavirus pandemic.

"I myself was ready to resign earlier because Randi Weingarten made such an anti-Semitic statement. It was so shocking," Aranoff told the   Free Beacon.   "Why in the world did she target Jews?"

Aranoff said she’d feel unsafe walking around Kingsborough’s campus if the system decides to return to in-person learning this fall.

Vandals popped the tires of Kingsborough adjunct business professor Michael Goldstein’s car and desecrated a photo of the professor and his father, the late Leon Goldstein, who served as president of the college for nearly three decades. Goldstein told the   Free Beacon   that he’s had a public safety officer chaperone him around campus for three years. Goldstein said that pro-Palestinian activist students at Kingsborough have gone so far as to physically attack Jews on and around campus.

"These are students that are agitated and indoctrinated by the faculty at Kingsborough to hate Jews," Goldstein told the   Free Beacon.

The number of Jewish students and professors at CUNY is dwindling, according to the professors. CUNY will be a "Jewish-free college and university" in the near future, Goldstein said.

Like their professors, students have been both perpetrators and victims of anti-Semitic attacks.

Mitchell Langbert, an associate business professor at Brooklyn College, told the   Free Beacon   that students have made anti-Semitic claims, like repeating the trope that Jews control the financial sector and the Federal Reserve. The "unhealthy atmosphere" has led to a sharp decline in the number of Orthodox Jews that attend the college, Langbert said.

Jewish students have told Aranoff that other professors wouldn’t accommodate tests scheduled for religious holidays. One student claimed that she was being stalked and threatened because she was Jewish. Goldstein said that two faculty members once seized a table that Hillel, a campus Jewish group, had set up in the college breezeway to raise money. The professors who commandeered the table allegedly used the spot to raised money for Palestinian refugees.

New York state   senator   Anna Kaplan (D.) and a group of nearly 1,000 rabbis have issued statements   supporting   the CUNY professors who left the union.

Like its CUNY chapter, two California chapters of the American Federation of Teachers have also released anti-Semitic   statements . United Teachers of Los Angeles and the United Educators of San Francisco called Israel an "apartheid" state and endorsed the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement against Israel in their resolutions.

The Professional Staff Congress’s statement, and similar criticism of the Jewish state, according to Aranoff, often "distort" the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by leaving out crucial historical and political details.

"It's such a distortion through omission," Aranoff said. "It’s outright lying. You don't know where to begin when you get a statement like that."





As for the lecture on the 1940's, it was in reaction to who would take in Jews. I was showing you a historic context for that, because you seem to think that it couldn't happen here, or that some groups of people would be upstanding and others wouldn't. It just doesn't hold water to me.


Fair enough Perrie. To me it does.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.1.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.10    4 years ago
City University of New York (CUNY) professors are leaving the faculty union in droves after it passed a resolution condemning Israel as an "apartheid" state.

Well, that is a sad day for City University of New York. Thank goodness it is not the other CUNY schools. Hopefully, the professors that left will send a message.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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11.1.12  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.10    4 years ago

Unfortunately, as I've been learning, what has been happening on Canadian campuses is similar.  It's reminiscent of the past, think back more than a century ago, the Black Plague was blamed on the Jews, and today the problems caused by the coronavirus have given impetus to antisemites to be more open about their Jew-hatred.   No "Gentleman's Agreement" these days keeping it quiet, because it's being implemented today with both barrels blasting. 

The strange thing is that antisemitism does not exist in China.  In fact Jews are respected due to their similarity in family relationships (respect for elders, importance of education, family loyalty, etc,) and are  even admired because of the belief that Jews have superior business acumen and know how to make money.  In fact there are multiple books published here about how to run a business like a Jew, that are complimentary, considered beneficial, and are not at all critical.  Jews were always welcome in China, as proven by how the Emperor welcomed the Jewish traders who came across the Silk Road 1,000 years ago to Kaifeng where they thrived for at least 500 years until many converted to Confucianism in order to get good government jobs, but I have visited their descendants there myself, and how the refugee Jews were treated in Harbin when pogroms drove them out of Russia (a synagogue still remains there, and a former Israeli President visited the cemetery where his ancestors were buried) and Shanghai welcomed the refugee Jews from Europe without visa requirements to save them from the Nazis - and a synagogue still stands there as well.  Jews are not a threat to the CPC, because they do NOT proselytize, are quite limited in number, and keep a low profile.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.1.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.11    4 years ago
Well, that is a sad day for City University of New York.

Yes it was.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11.1.12    4 years ago

You mean the CPC counts them as an asset?  I'll give them credit for that.


 
 
 
Gsquared
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11.2  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @11    4 years ago

Comment 11 is extremely insulting to Jewish people.  It also represents a complete lack of historical knowledge, a lack of understanding of current reality and/or is nothing more than a propagandistic attempt at historical revisionism.

Of course, there were Christians who hid Jews from the Nazis but that represented a small group.

The fact that the Comment 11 contains such nonsense as "the atheist professor would be completely avoided" and is a pretense at answering on behalf of Jews is more than appalling.  The reference to "professor" is in line with the constant railing against academia that some express for propagandistic purposes.  Since academia is filled with Jewish professors, many of whom are non-practicing or non-believers, the frequent expressions of hatred for academia coming from right-wing propagandists is definitely a matter of concern to Jews.

It's also a complete load of shit to write that a Nazi-like regime would be created by "leftists".  Are any leftists shown in the photos in Comments 4 and 7?  NO.  While the Soviet Union was not friendly to Jews, following on a long history of sometimes violent anti-Semitism by Christians in Russia, they did not set up gas chambers.  The Holocaust was perpetrated by extremist right-wing anti-Semites, the same type that Donald Trump called "very fine people".  

The "attempt to answer for those [Jews] who I was once acquainted with" is a failure.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Gsquared @11.2    4 years ago
While the Soviet Union was not friendly to Jews, following on a long history of sometimes violent anti-Semitism by Christians in Russia, they did not set up gas chambers.  The Holocaust was perpetrated by extremist right-wing anti-Semites,...

This is very true. My mom's family fled Poland and crossed into Russia to escape the Nazis. When they were asked to join the communist party and refused, they were sent to a Siberian work camp, like a lot of other Russians who refused. Life was brutal, but they were not murdered either.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @11.2    4 years ago
Comment 11 is extremely insulting to Jewish people. 

How so?


Of course, there were Christians who hid Jews from the Nazis but that represented a small group.

Good, end of story


The fact that the Comment 11 contains such nonsense as "the atheist professor would be completely avoided" 

Anti-semitism is rampant on campus. 


It's also a complete load of shit to write that a Nazi-like regime would be created by "leftists".  

Why?  All of the modern totalitarian regimes we are forced to co-exist with are leftist regimes.


While the Soviet Union was not friendly to Jews, following on a long history of sometimes violent anti-Semitism by Christians in Russia, they did not set up gas chambers.  The Holocaust was perpetrated by extremist right-wing anti-Semites, the same type that Donald Trump called "very fine people".  

We are talking about today in America.  Which is the party of anti-Semitism?


The "attempt to answer for those [Jews] who I was once acquainted with" is a failure.

Somebody had to say it!

 
 
 
Gsquared
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11.2.4  Gsquared  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2.1    4 years ago

My paternal grandfather came to America when he was 15 from a small village in Belarus before the Russian Revolution to find a new life.  He left behind his mother and 8 brothers and sisters.  In their village, the Jews and the Christians got along fairly well.  He and his family used to write to each other regularly, even after the Communists took control.  However, when the Nazis invaded, his family, and the other Jews in their village, were marched out into the forest and shot to death.   A couple of his cousins managed to escape and join the partisans.  Other than that, only his youngest brother, who was a baby when my grandfather left, had left before the Nazis invaded and went to what was then British Palestine.  Neither one knew that the other was alive until the 1960s when a friend of my grandfather visited Israel and met someone with the same last name as ours.  My grandfather realized that it was his brother, and went to see him immediately.  I have several cousins who were born in Israel and they have all visited us here.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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11.2.5  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2.3    4 years ago
How so?

You claim to answer on behalf of Jews, and your answers are NOT what any Jews I know would say.  It's merely your own propagandistic effort.  Insulting.

end of story

Not at all.

Anti-semitism is rampant on campus.

"[R]ampant on campus" is a false characterization.  However, it is rampant among the right-wing extremist groups that support the Nazi ideology.

Why?  All of the modern totalitarian regimes we are forced to co-exist with are leftist regimes.

Name one that is engaged in anti-Semitic activities.  You can't.  However, the right-wing authoritarian leaning regimes, such as the Jobbik regime in Hungary, the one that Tucker Carlson adores, do promote anti-Semitism.

We are talking about today in America.  Which is the party of anti-Semitism?

Whichever party Marjorie Taylor Greene is a member of.

Somebody had to say it!

"It" being lies and propaganda.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.2.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2.3    4 years ago
We are talking about today in America.  Which is the party of anti-Semitism?

As far as I can see, both parties have antisemitism present. While you are egar to point to "The Squad", you seem to forget about Marjorie Taylor Greene, Steve Scalise, Matt Gaetz. As I said, it comes from both sides.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.2.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2.6    4 years ago

All things are not equal and people should not be voting against their own safety & security.

 
 
 
Ender
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13  Ender    4 years ago

A lot of bullshit about Jewish people just for him to condemn vaccines and masks....

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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13.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @13    4 years ago

There was no condemnation of either vaccines or masks, only of big blue government mandates to compel their use over the objections of others.  Very nazi fascist like tactic.  

 
 
 
Ender
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13.1.1  Ender  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.1    4 years ago

I have been hearing a lot of crap lately. This is right up there with it.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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13.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @13.1.1    4 years ago

It’s time to accept the fact that there are people who will wear masks when there is a legitimate good reason for them to do so and are vaccinated who oppose government mandates to coerce others to do either.  I’m one of them.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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13.1.3  Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.1.2    4 years ago
I’m one of them.  

No surprise there. LOL

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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16  Greg Jones    4 years ago

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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16.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @16    4 years ago

You do realize that the whole democratic party voted to fund Israel, and only a few either voted nay or voted present, right? That seems to be missing from the story.

 
 
 
Hallux
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17  Hallux    4 years ago

Y'all need to stop conflating anti-semitism with anti-zionism and anti-Israel.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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17.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Hallux @17    4 years ago

Kind of hard to do when the blame is always laid at Israel's door and never Hamas. It takes two to tango. That being said, you can be critical of a government.

btw, BDS is an anti-Semitic anti-Israel movement as it calls for Israel not to exist. It's in their charter. And the double standard that Israel is held to, compared to all the other Arab nations that have thrown out Jews from their counties is absolutely ridiculous. 

But all of this is kind of out of the scope of this article.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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17.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @17.1    4 years ago

It's unfortunate that what you've explained so well is not understood by supposedly intelligent people.  It just doesn't matter HOW FAR Israel and respected other voices go to prove the connection, there are still some who refuse to acknowledge the fact of the connection of antisemitism and anti-Israel.  I do believe, however, that Israel was never that great at public relations, and many Israelis (I had Israeli clients so I know this) do exhibit a certain arrogance that does not help their image. 

 
 
 
shona1
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17.1.2  shona1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @17.1.1    4 years ago

Morning Buzz....the only people I have found rather arrogant are the Ultra Orthodox Jews...they have not done themselves any favours here at the moment..decide to hold a gathering the other day of around 100 people while Melbourne is in lock down.

Cops rolled up and the Ultras were running across roofs and jumping over fences to escape..then they started pushing and shoving... they all copped a $5,000 each for their efforts..

The weeks I spent in Israel the average ordinary Israeli are lovely people and I felt perfectly safe there traveling by myself...

Australia has always backed Israel much to many other countries disgust but as per usual we don't give a stuff what they think..

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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17.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  shona1 @17.1.2    4 years ago

Believe me, shona1, I have NO love for the ultra-Orthodox.  It's unfortunate that the Israeli government has to cater to them because it needs their support.  When my then wife and I walked through Mea Sharim in Jerusalem with a tour group, they shouted "Whores" from the windows because the women were wearing slacks and walking with men.  Lots of bad stories about them, like spitting on Priests, or chastising young children going to school.  They are TOTALLY intolerant.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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17.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @17.1    4 years ago

Well said!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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17.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Hallux @17    4 years ago

One can not oppose Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state and not be an anti semite. 

 
 

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