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Turbulent Times

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  6 years ago  •  94 comments


Turbulent Times
I request that Donald Trump withdraw all extraordinary federal law enforcement and military presence from our city.

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We the People

This year has been a trying time for the nation. First a vicious pandemic (the Coronavirus) was unleashed on the world, which killed over 100,000 Americans and destroyed a thriving US economy as part of the prescription. The nation had to endure it while the left wing media politicized it. Then came the murder of a black American at the hands of a white cop. That sin-of-all-sins put the Corona virus on page 2 and despite a rush to provide justice, riots quickly followed.

Through all of this, leftist mayors elected in decaying city precincts boldly stepped forward to make it all about the resistance to the President they hate. All of them have shown the usual audacity we have come to expect from activist mayors, many of whom came of age during the Obama years. Most notable would be the current mayor of ultra liberal Washington DC, Mueiel Bowser.

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Muriel Bowser - Progressive activist, Trump-hater and mayor of DC

Her first act in dealing with the riots was to use the same strategy other leftist mayors have employed since the Freddie Grey/Baltimore riots - emasculate the police force and allow the mob to loot and burn. Minority businesses burned. Federal area's of the city were also affected (some broken into). Lafayette Park & national monuments were vandalized. The historic St John's Church was burned. The rioters were allowed to converge on an area within feet of the White House with only the secret service left to protect the President and his family.

Later the President made a symbolic gesture by walking over to St John's Church. The media was more upset by that than the riots. I called it "the President reclaiming the streets!" Evidently mayor Bowser heard me, because she decided to make an equally symbolic gesture (more of an outrageous act) to take them back for the protesters/rioters whom she seems to be aligned with. What she did might have seemed inconceivable not long ago, but in this day and age, it sadly happens. She desecrated a main street leading to the White House by having the words of the cop haters - "BLACK LIVES MATTER" painted in big bold letters! Then she named a square for the same hate group. As a parting shot at the President and the nation she evicted members of the national guard from local hotels.

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Abraham Lincoln's statue was vandalized in London by BLM. He paid an enormous price to end slavery, evidently, it wasn't enough!


The nation's tribulations have exposed the radical left's considerable power. They assumed it very quietly, in plain site in our decaying inner cities!

It's time to stop them!


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

At the direction of Mayor Bowser the words "black lives matter have been painted in big yellow letters on 16th street, major Washington road that leads to the White House, where protesters have been demonstrating following George Floyd's death.


A national disgrace!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago
A national disgrace!

So you don't think black lives matter?

The common retort from bigots who reject the black lives matter rationale is "All lives matter" but that's really just a smoke screen to claim their own lives matter more and black lives couldn't matter less to them since they are refusing to accept the demonstrable racial inequality in our justice system.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    6 years ago
So you don't think black lives matter?

Where did you see that?


The common retort from bigots who reject the black lives matter rationale is "All lives matter" 

Not the haters Iv'e seen. They chant "black lives matter".  The riots have accounted for 15 deaths, in case your'e interested.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    6 years ago
The riots have accounted for 15 deaths, in case your'e interested.

Those lives don't matter, apparently. Even the black ones.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    6 years ago

Funny that I don't hear you act like this all the time.  Blacks are killed EVERYDAY across the country and you sit silently until the rioting begins.  Just like BLM.

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
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1.1.4  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    6 years ago
claim their own lives matter more and black lives couldn't matter less to them
accept the demonstrable racial inequality in our justice system

Yes and we can see that in the statistics where those who commit less than half of ALL violent crimes are killed twice as often as their other racial counterpart which commits MORE than half of ALL violent crimes!  Can't all of you see the "systemic" Racism staring you in the face there???

Oh wait, that's white people getting dis-proportionally killed????

Nevermind.  Carry on.....

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago
At the direction of Mayor Bowser the words "black lives matter have been painted in big yellow letters on 16th street

Your tax dollars at work.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    6 years ago

A national disgrace!

You rang? 

800

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    6 years ago

So, Let's get this straight, leftists burn cities, lockdown states, close churches, encourage people to kneel for nothing, bully newspapers and magazines into censoring themselves - but the President is the disgrace?

Again, the readers decide.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    6 years ago
the President is the disgrace?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. You have a president, who is the first one in the history of polling (late 40's, so 75 years or so) to never reach 50% approval during his first term.  He has never been popular to a majority.  So why are you shocked? lol. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    6 years ago

So if/when he is re-elected, you will come on and say you were wrong?   Right John?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.2    6 years ago

You should hope and pray Trump is not re-elected, because that would say horrible things about the American people. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.3    6 years ago
You should hope and pray

And what you should be worried about is who comes after Trump in 2024. Progressives have unleashed a lot of division & hate in this country. The nation is scared. I don't believe the individual is anywhere in sight yet. History tells us that extreme actions are countered by reactionaries. The bloody excesses of the French Revolution produced Napoleon. A depression, a harsh treaty & near Communist revolt produced Adolph Hitler.  There will be a price to pay for the lefts extremism. The age of the reactionary starts in 2024!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.2.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.2    6 years ago

Trump won't even be here in two years (his words).  He will be in AK getting his ass handed to him if he decides to run.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2.8  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.3    6 years ago

Electing Joe Biden would prove what again?

We can exchange a sexual predator that just talks about it, for one that pushes the boundaries with women and young girls right in public? We can exchange a President that has been accused by women not of his own party, for one that has only women from his own party accusing him? We can exchange an anti-Establishment con artist that will use the system to enrich himself and those around him, for a pro Establishment con artist that will do the exact same thing? We can exchange a President that holds our enemies and allies accountable; for one that will blame America first and appease all others? We can exchange thousands of lies, for thousands of gaffs and misspeaks? We can exchange a president that is a ego maniac, for one that can't even remember who is running against, where his wife is while on the same stage, or even what year it is most days?

Some improvement.

Elect Biden, he isn't Trump. He has the all important D behind his name. That is all.

That is something to really celebrate. jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.2.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.8    6 years ago

That is something to really celebrate.

no what isn't,

the STUPIODITY OF AMERICANS

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

Can you imagine if Obama had done that?   The headline would have been "Profile in Courage!"

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4  It Is ME    6 years ago

"I request that Donald Trump withdraw all extraordinary federal law enforcement and military presence from our city."

I'll second that ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

Defunding the police is a great idea too. jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

Just don't come to my State, when that happens...… You "Maroons" ! 

I'll personally petition my Governor to have the "National Guard" put on our our border, if that shit starts happening.

No "Idiots" needed in our State. jrSmiley_55_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @4    6 years ago
I'll second that !

Here is what I would do if I could run DC for one weak:

All federal area's would be policed by the 82nd Airborne Division armed with live bullets. 

The rest of DC would be in the hands of DC police armed with riot gear and rubber bullets & tear gas.

Curfew Time would be 4:PM to be backed up and aided by the National Guard.

The only place where protests would be permitted would be the affluent north west section of DC, where so many of the federal fat cats live.


How am I doing?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    6 years ago
How am I doing?

I love the idea to send the "Peaceful Protestors?" to the "Fat" sections of town. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

That should "Solidify" whose lying or not. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    6 years ago

Another thing I think would help is for congress to revoke the "District of Columbia Home Rule Act."  The District has proven that it is not capable of electing a responsible human being to the office of mayor. Let's go back to the three man board of Commissioners appointed by the president.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.1    6 years ago

I think minority residents would agree with me!


 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.3    6 years ago
I think minority residents would agree with me!

"Save Minority Communities".....as the "Left" say every election cycle ! jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.4    6 years ago

It's almost automatic. They absolutely need the minority vote - the vast majority of it. That is why they stir up racial animosity. The goal is to get out that vote and get it voting one way. If people are killed on city streets, so be it, as long as they win another election.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.5    6 years ago
If people are killed on city streets, so be it, as long as they win another election.

Bingo !

I think they call that …… " Acceptable consequences" ! jrSmiley_34_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.6    6 years ago

Maybe Bill Ayers would say "you can't make an Omelette without breaking eggs."

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.8  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.7    6 years ago
Maybe Bill Ayers would say "you can't make an Omelette without breaking eggs."

He's an upstanding citizen now jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif . The "Past" is erased and he's teaching Kids now (Professor) jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif !

Of Course....the "Unabomber" is still in jail.....But I digress !

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.8    6 years ago
He's an upstanding citizen now

With a little help from old friends!

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JohnRussell
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4.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.5    6 years ago
They absolutely need the minority vote - the vast majority of it.

Is that like how the Republicans need the white supremacy vote?  Remember how Trump forgot who David Duke was to dog whistle the racists? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.10    6 years ago
Is that like how the Republicans need the white supremacy vote? 

Let's see, Obama got 43% of the white vote in 2008 and 96% of the black vote.

In 2012 he got 39% of the white vote and 98% of the black vote.


The white vote is not a block vote belonging to anyone. Obama could not have won without it!




"In 2016 a  number of long-standing trends in presidential elections either reversed or stalled in 2016, as black voter turnout decreased"


 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.11    6 years ago

Vic , I know a bunch of Trump supporters that are racist. I dont know any Biden supporters that are racist. 

Dont you think black people know who is for or against them? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.13    6 years ago
Vic , I know a bunch of Trump supporters that are racist.

John, I knew a bunch of Obama supporters that are racist!


I dont know any Biden supporters that are racist. 

I know people who are voting for Biden - NONE OF THEM ARE BIDEN SUPPORTERS......Does that tell you anything?


Dont you think black people know who is for or against them?

You are talking about 13% of the population. Answering that question would he a humongous generalization!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.14    6 years ago

You think whites are the victims of racism as much as non whites are. That perception speaks for itself. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.16  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.13    6 years ago
I dont know any Biden supporters that are racist. 

How 'bout Mr. "Dot Head, In Chains and not Black Enough" himself ?

I'm sure he (Biden) was just "Joshing" though". jrSmiley_40_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.18  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.15    6 years ago

John, I think the left has put groups into bubbles. I think America, for the most part, solved it's racism problem quite a while ago. You were born a little too late to be part of the crusade. Sorry.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.19  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.5    6 years ago

A lot of fear-mongering there Vic.

Yes, the majority of minorities vote democratic. That would include Blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, Jews, etc etc. 

Doesn't it make you wonder why they vote democratic and not republican? It should. Do you remember the Republican autopsy and the conclusion that came from it? 

It seems that what your saying is the minorities cannot think for themselves and are beholden to white folks (dems) for what they have even as far as sacrificing some of our people to keep them in power. That is pretty damn bizarre conclusion if you ask me. 

It might help you out to see which party has the majority of elected officials on the fed (congress) side. Or instead of thinking that you know what minorities think, feel, and react to you should actually talk to some and get their opinion.

 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.20  It Is ME  replied to  Kavika @4.1.19    6 years ago
Jews

They're considered a minority group ?

" It seems that what your saying is the minorities cannot think for themselves and are beholden to white folks (dems) for what they have even as far as sacrificing some of our people to keep them in power.  "

The Dems most "Blacks" vote for....are WHITE ! jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

Alzheimer Joe is about as racist as you can get these days. His "Gaffs" aren't "Gaffs". It's how he actually thinks !

I wonder what he thinks about those 7/11 DOT heads now ?

We sure know that if a Black person doesn't vote for him, they ain't "BLACK" !

Will Joey Boy get those "Chains" off the "Black Worker".....this time ?

It's been over 36 years now for Joey.

At least he thanked Eastland for supporting his Anti-busing policy back in '77.

That was the Best !

And the "Left" is gonna vote for this Blatant Racist ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.20    6 years ago
They're considered a minority group ?

They do only make up only 2% of the US population, so what do you call them?

Alzheimer Joe is about as racist as you can get these days. His "Gaffs" aren't "Gaffs". It's how he actually thinks !

Trump is holding his own with "When they loot, you shoot"

And the "Left" is gonna vote for thisBlatantRacist ?

Why not? We already have one in the White House already. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.22  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.21    6 years ago
They do only make up only 2% of the US population, so what do you call them?

Jewish people !

" Trump is holding his own with "When they loot, you shoot" "

That's been a Given....for Decades. Nothing weird or racist there. Looting and possible hole in your chest isn't descrimination thingy. 

All races, colors, and creeds can get one.

"Why not? We already have one in the White House already."

Have one …………. Whaaaaaaat ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

psssst…… You can whisper it in my ear if you need to. jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.23  Kavika   replied to  It Is ME @4.1.20    6 years ago
They're considered a minority group ?

Yes

The Dems most "Blacks" vote for....are WHITE !

What in the world does that have to do with anything that I wrote...The rest of your comment has nothing to do with what I wrote. Feel free to carry on though.

And the "Left" is gonna vote for thisBlatantRacist ?

That Blatant Racist is your opinion. But I'm sure that the left will. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.24  It Is ME  replied to  Kavika @4.1.23    6 years ago
What in the world does that have to do with anything that I wrote...The rest of your comment has nothing to do with what I wrote. Feel free to carry on though.

"It seems that what your saying is the minorities cannot think for themselves and are beholden to white folks (dems) for what they have even as far as sacrificing some of our people to keep them in power. "

Not YOU ?

I guess I was "SEEMING" too !

My apologies then. jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.1.26  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    6 years ago

Just as the EC has proven that it is not capable of electing a responsible human being to the office of POTUS.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.27  bugsy  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.1.26    6 years ago
Just as the EC has proven that it is not capable of electing a responsible human being to the office of POTUS

That's why we elected Donald Trump and will again this year.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.1.28  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  bugsy @4.1.27    6 years ago

"We" are not the EC.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.29  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    6 years ago
How am I doing?

Not so good. We do have something called the constitution and then, of course, that thing called Posse Comitatus. 

Most everything you want to do is illegal. Strange for a law and order person.

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.30  Ender  replied to  Kavika @4.1.29    6 years ago

Amazing the people that would jump at the chance to go full on dictator. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.32  Kavika   replied to    6 years ago

So for how long is the ''insurrection act'' going to be in effect, months/years? 

Of course, there would have to be an actual insurrection taking place for it to be invoked.

If it is invoked than if it's a state the governor must request it. There have been exceptions of course when a state is violating federal law such as when Eisenhower sent in the 101st Airborne to enforce federal law in Arkansas. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.33  Sean Treacy  replied to  Kavika @4.1.32    6 years ago

How long was it in effect the numerous other times it was invoked?

its not like their isn’t plenty of precedent.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.35  Kavika   replied to    6 years ago

Actually many constitutional experts say that Trump does not have the authority.

Actually the act isn't clear on that. I found the exact portions of it and the are contradictory at best.

A section of the law (§251) says 

"[T]he President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia."

But the next section (§252) says:

"Whenever the President considersthat unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings,he may call into Federal servicesuch of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.

Now that is clear as mud. Yes, no and somewhere in between.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.36  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.33    6 years ago

It's only been invoked 10 times since 1950 and each time for a limited time frame.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.37  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.22    6 years ago

In your mind "Jews" are not the same as "Jewish people"?  

Makes me think of a story of misunderstanding that my father used to tell:

A recent immigrant is picking out oranges at a grocery and the grocer asks her:  "Are they for juice?"  

A little confused, she replies: "Yes, they are for Jews."

The grocer:  "Then here, take the smaller spotted ones."
 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.38  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.15    6 years ago

And you think whites cannot be a victim of racism.

As someone that looks white, but is the worlds biggest racial mutt, I experienced more black on white racism than anything else. I lived in Detroit at a time where looking white was a crime in itself to African Americans. Had the police drive me home about 7 times after being beaten bloody by black gangs. Ran from them countless more times than that. It was a wonderful way to live for 6 months as a kid.

But here is the great thing. Anyone can be a racist. Latinos, Blacks, Whites, Asians, it doesn't fucking matter. What is even better is that subsets within those large groups can hate each other as well. Think all Asians get along? How about all Arabs?  How about all Latinos? Then factor in wealth. Think that doesn't figure in to the way people treat each other?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.39  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @4.1.29    6 years ago
We do have something called the constitution and then

And what does it say about protecting life & limb?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.40  author  Vic Eldred  replied to    6 years ago

He was 100% right. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.41  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.39    6 years ago

That would be the 5th Amendment.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.42  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @4.1.41    6 years ago

Actually, it is right in the Preamble to the Constitution, the very heart & soul of it's foundation:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."


Protecting citizens is the very first duty of government!

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.43  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.42    6 years ago
Protecting citizens is the very first duty of government!

And doing it in a legal way. Your comment certainly isn't legal.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.44  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @4.1.43    6 years ago

Some people need to be reminded of that. Public safety does come first.  The same people who were telling us that states had emergency authority to protect us from the pandemic are strangely silent.

BTW what happened to the great concern about public gatherings and the Coronavirus?

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.45  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.44    6 years ago

Are you trying to justify your solution? It simply isn't legal.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.46  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @4.1.45    6 years ago
Are you trying to justify your solution?

What is "my" solution?


 It simply isn't legal.

What isn't?

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.48  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.46    6 years ago

Your comment 4.1

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.49  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @4.1.48    6 years ago

Oh ya, Lol.  The illegal parts of that are?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.50  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.49    6 years ago

I think some have forgotten a cold hard fact:

"They were not peaceful protesters. And that's one of the big lies that the- the media is- seems to be perpetuating at this point," Barr said.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.51  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.50    6 years ago

Vic, remember:

Left out of the interview that aired on CBS on Sunday morning was Barr’s detailed accounting of much of the violent context of that perimeter expansion, including that “bricks and inflammable liquid” were being thrown at police in Lafayette Square near the White House as rioters “were trying to get entry” over the fences, the five dozen officers guarding Lafayette Square who were “lost” the night prior in the violence, and the individuals who at the time of their forced dispersal “wrestled with the police officers trying to tear their shields from them, in one case, struggling to get one of the police officer’s guns.”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.52  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.51    6 years ago

Got it!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.53  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    6 years ago

The Insurrection Act gives U.S. presidents the authority to deploy active duty military to maintain or restore peace in times of crisis. The Insurrection Act was invoked numerous times in the 20th century, most famously when  Dwight D. Eisenhower  sent the 101st Airborne Division  to enforce the desegregation  of public schools in Little Rock, Arkansas.

 
 
 
Pedro
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4.1.54  Pedro  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.53    6 years ago

This probably looks amazing to people who don't appreciate the freedoms they claim to hold dear....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.55  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Pedro @4.1.54    6 years ago

Your'e right. They don't appreciate those freedoms!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.56  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.21    6 years ago
We already have one in the White House already. 

Woodrow Wilson?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.57  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.38    6 years ago
"...subsets within those large groups can hate each other as well."

Watch the movie "A Soldier's Story" for an example of black-on-black hatred.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

I'll hand it over to the group mods.

Back in a few.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6  Perrie Halpern R.A.    6 years ago

I have some real issues with this article. 

This year has been a trying time for the nation. First a vicious pandemic (the Coronavirus) was unleashed on the world, which killed over 100,000 Americans and destroyed a thriving US economy as part of the prescription. The nation had to endure it while the left wing media politicized it. Then came the murder of a black American at the hands of a white cop. That sin-of-all-sins put the Corona virus on page 2 and despite a rush to provide justice, riots quickly followed.

The pandemic was what it was. Something unexpected and new to us. To some degree, there is always politicizing of things like this. The right did the same thing with Obama over everything he did. As for what happened with the murder of George Floyd, it took days to place charges and only after a video came out and there was no denying it. So there was no rush to provide justice. The riots that followed were horrible, and there was outside agitation. What I will agree with, is that the coronavirus should have never been page 2. 

Through all of this, leftist mayors elected in decaying city precincts boldly stepped forward to make it all about the resistance to the President they hate. All of them have shown the usual audacity we have come to expect from activist mayors, many of whom came of age during the Obama years. Most notable would be the current mayor of ultra liberal Washington DC, Mueiel Bowser.

First of all, using the term "leftist" is not accurate. It implies socialist and that is not a honest description. There were many mayors involved that were Democrats and Republicans, since these riots broke out nationwide. And if you are a Democrat, you are probably not going to like Trump. But that doesn't make them socialist. That makes them partisans. Don't worry, the feeling is mutual. Trump doesn't like them. And yes Muriel Browser doesn't like him. Are you shocked? He doesn't like her either. 


Her first act in dealing with the riots was to use the same strategy other leftist mayors have employed since the Freddie Grey/Baltimore riots - emasculate the police force and allow the mob to loot and burn. Minority businesses burned. Federal area's of the city were also affected (some broken into). Lafayette Park & national monuments were vandalized. The historic St John's Church was burned. The rioters were allowed to converge on an area within feet of the White House with only the secret service left to protect the President and his family.

Sorry, but the cops in NYC were hardly emasculated and I saw the same in many cities. And while I am upset at what happened at our national monuments and the church, there was an alphabet soup of law enforcement protecting the President and his family. 



Later the President made a symbolic gesture by walking over to St John's Church. The media was more upset by that than the riots. I called it "the President reclaiming the streets!" Evidently mayor Bowser heard me, because she decided to make an equally symbolic gesture (more of an outrageous act) to take them back for the protesters/rioters whom she seems to be aligned with. What she did might have seemed inconceivable not long ago, but in this day and age, it sadly happens. She desecrated a main street leading to the White House by having the words of the cop haters - "BLACK LIVES MATTER" painted in big bold letters! Then she named a square for the same hate group. As a parting shot at the President and the nation she evicted members of the national guard from local hotels.

So here I really part ways with the President. Holding up a bible in front of a burnt-out church sends no message, other than look evangelicals, "I'm a Christian". What he should have done is gotten on TV and said something to smooth the nation, right from the get-go, like other presidents have done in times of national emergencies. But he didn't. He didn't even do the bible holding till 3 days into the riots. This author then seems surprised when mayor Bowser grandstanded with her art work. He shouldn't be. We have had our first tweeting president (something I find very presidential), and has been taking his message to the people for years now, at his rallys and twitter to his chanting crowds with taglines "Lock her up" "Build the wall", "Fake News". Come on, let's just call a spade a spade. The uncivil behavior started with him. This is just an extension of it. I don't approve of any of it, but there is no high ground to have here. Mayor Bowser had a good teacher. And I don't see how throwing the National Guard out of hotels is a parting shot at the president. That is really reaching. 

Abraham Lincoln's statue was vandalized in London by BLM. He paid an enormous price to end slavery, evidently, it wasn't enough!

That is horrible, but what does that have to do with what's happening here?

The nation's tribulations have exposed the radical left's considerable power. They assumed it very quietly, in plain site in our decaying inner cities!

My city isn't decaying. Neither is yours. In fact, most of our cities are doing fine, with the exception of a few. And nothing was assumed quietly, like it was some sort of conspiracy. All these cities had elections. 

It's time to stop them!

Stop who? People from voting? That sounds very unconstitutional. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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6.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    6 years ago

BLM should foot the bill for the clean up of the statue.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.1    6 years ago

That would be the decent thing to do. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.1    6 years ago

And, you don't mean the Bureau of Land Management either, do you?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    6 years ago
So there was no rush to provide justice.

The four police officers were fired. That move sped up the process because it denied the police union protections that officers normally would have. To claim that the politicizing of the pandemic is acceptable because Republicans opposed Obama's radical agenda is really weak.


First of all, using the term "leftist" is not accurate. It implies socialist and that is not a honest description. 

Not according to Merriam-Webster:
1: the principles and views of the left also : the movement embodying these principles
2: advocacy of or adherence to the doctrines of the left
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/leftism.

Therefore it would be correct to use as a general term identifying progressives. 


Sorry, but the cops in NYC were hardly emasculated 

Is that why your governor considered removing your mayor and publicly stating that the mayor & police were not doing their jobs?


What he should have done is gotten on TV and said something to smooth the nation, right from the get-go, like other presidents have done in times of national emergencies.

Something "unifying", like saying "the police acted stupidly" perhaps?  This President represents law & order not mob rule!


That is horrible, but what does that have to do with what's happening here?

It was done by BLM, which has just been lionized by the DC mayor.


Stop who? 

The violent mob!!!



 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2    6 years ago
So there was no rush to provide justice.
The four police officers were fired. That move sped up the process because it denied the police union protections that officers normally would have. To claim that the politicizing of the pandemic is acceptable because Republicans opposed Obama's radical agenda is really weak.

The police officer was removed from service first. Three days went by and then a video came out. Then when it was undeniable he was charged and even then it was not right away. By then the seeds of discontent had been sown. As for Obama, that is a deflection. Your article stated that the coronavirus had become page 2 and that is just not true. There is a whole subsection in almost every publication out there. 

First of all, using the term "leftist" is not accurate. It implies socialist and that is not a honest description. (Perrie)

Not according to Merriam-Webster:
1 :  the principles and views of the left also :  the movement embodying these principles
2 :  advocacy of or adherence to the doctrines of the left
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/leftism.

Therefore it would be correct to use as a general term identifying progressives. 

OK so you realize you went from leftist... then I said that leftist is usually identified as socialist and then you went to progressives. They are NOT all the same thing.

Progressivism - Wikipedia

Progressivism   is a   political   philosophy in support of social reform. It is based on the idea of progress in which advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition.
Left-wing politics - Wikipedia
Left-wing politics supports social equality  and  egalitarianism , often in opposition to  social hierarchy . [1] [2] [3] [4]  It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished. [1]
Socialism - Wikipedia
Socialism  is a  political ,  social , and  economic philosophy  encompassing a range of  economic  and  social systems  characterised by  social ownership [1] [2] [3]  of the  means of production [4] [5] [6] [7]  and  workers' self-management  of enterprises. [8] [9]  It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems. [10]  Social ownership can be  public ,  collective ,  cooperative  or of  equity . [11]  While no single definition encapsulates many  types of socialism , [12]  social ownership is the one common element. [1] [13] [14]
So no, the word leftist is not accurate. It is more applicable to socialism and definitely not to being a progressive. 
Sorry, but the cops in NYC were hardly emasculated 

Is that why your governor considered removing your mayor and publicly stating that the mayor & police were not doing their jobs?
The governor wanted the rioting to stop ASAP. I agree with that. But the mayor was handling this like most other mayors in the country. So the Cuomo said enough is enough. Get the city under control and they did. Now this is what gets me. Do you know how often I have read conservatives refer to Cuomo, as "King Cuomo" or "Emperor Cuomo" because he is a no BS Gov. But had he been a republican they would have been praising him. It can't go both ways. But I will give you that our mayor tried to tie the hands of the police and our Gov untied them.
What he should have done is gotten on TV and said something to smooth the nation, right from the get-go, like other presidents have done in times of national emergencies. (Perrie)

Something "unifying" , like saying "the police acted stupidly" perhaps?  This President represents law & order not mob rule!
No something more like "I understand your frustration in the delay of the charging of that police officers, and I hear you...." How about that for a starter? Heck, maybe I should be President, LOL. 
That is horrible, but what does that have to do with what's happening here?

It was done by BLM, which has just been lionized by the DC mayor.
Well, first let's address what I was talking about:
Abraham Lincoln's statue was vandalized in London by BLM. He paid an enormous price to end slavery, evidently, it wasn't enough!
To which I replied:
That is horrible, but what does that have to do with what's happening here?
We were NOT talking about DC's mayor at all. As for the Lincoln Memorial, you might want to look at this article. It is a fake story that it was defaced. 
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.2.1    6 years ago
Your article stated that the coronavirus had become page 2 and that is just not true. There is a whole subsection in almost every publication out there. 

When people tried to protest lockdowns (which the WHO is now saying may have been unnecessary), we had the mayor of Michigan calling the protesters thoughtless and racist and likely spreading the virus. Now we have massive protests. Not a word from the media on the likelihood of spreading the virus and where is the Michigan mayor? - She's out protesting!


The police officer was removed from service first. Three days went by and then a video came out. 

"The four Minneapolis officers involved in Floyd's arrest were fired on Tuesday, hours after a bystander’s video showed an officer kneeling on the handcuffed man’s neck , even after he pleaded that he could not breathe and stopped moving."




OK so you realize you went from leftist... then I said that leftist is usually identified as socialist and ten you went to progressives. 

Progressives are on the extreme left of the political spectrum. That is a fact. They are what replaced the old fashioned liberals minus the concern for civil liberties. 


But the mayor was handling this like most other mayors in the country.

Yup, like I said in my article - de Blasio handled it just like the other democrat mayors who believe in letting the rioters get it out of their system, which is grotesque!


Do you know how often I have read conservatives refer to Cuomo, as "King Cuomo" or "Emperor Cuomo" because he is a no BS Gov. 

You never heard it from me. I have plenty against Cuomo, beginning with what he did on nursing homes and then asking for 30,000 ventilators, but I never thought he was power hungry, just too progressive (which is really regressive!)


But I will give you that our mayor tried to tie the hands of the police and our Gov untied them.

Thank you.


No something more like "I understand your frustration in the delay of the charging of that police officers, and I hear you...." How about that for a starter?

I thought what was actually said was good:

Trump earlier in the day called Floyd's death a "very, very sad" situation during a trip to Florida for the launch of the SpaceX rocket ship. "At my request, the FBI and the Department of Justice are already well into an investigation as to the very sad and tragic death in Minnesota of George Floyd"

Did anyone hear that???

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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6.2.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.2    6 years ago
...which the WHO is now saying may have been unnecessary

Dog-do.

From their website under the section Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) advice for the public

You can reduce your chances of being infected or spreading COVID-19 by taking some simple precautions:

  • Regularly and thoroughly clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or wash them with soap and water. Why? Washing your hands with soap and water or using alcohol-based hand rub kills viruses that may be on your hands.
  • Maintain at least 1 metre (3 feet) distance between yourself and others. Why? When someone coughs, sneezes, or speaks they spray small liquid droplets from their nose or mouth which may contain virus. If you are too close, you can breathe in the droplets, including the COVID-19 virus if the person has the disease.
  • Avoid going to crowded places. Why? Where people come together in crowds, you are more likely to come into close contact with someone that has COIVD-19 and it is more difficult to maintain physical distance of 1 metre (3 feet).
  • Avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth. Why? Hands touch many surfaces and can pick up viruses. Once contaminated, hands can transfer the virus to your eyes, nose or mouth. From there, the virus can enter your body and infect you.
  • Make sure you, and the people around you, follow good respiratory hygiene. This means covering your mouth and nose with your bent elbow or tissue when you cough or sneeze. Then dispose of the used tissue immediately and wash your hands. Why? Droplets spread virus. By following good respiratory hygiene, you protect the people around you from viruses such as cold, flu and COVID-19.
  • Stay home and self-isolate even with minor symptoms such as cough, headache, mild fever, until you recover. Have someone bring you supplies. If you need to leave your house, wear a mask to avoid infecting others. Why? Avoiding contact with others will protect them from possible COVID-19 and other viruses.
  • If you have a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical attention, but call by telephone in advance if possible and follow the directions of your local health authority. Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on the situation in your area. Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also protect you and help prevent spread of viruses and other infections.
  • Keep up to date on the latest information from trusted sources, such as WHO or your local and national health authorities. Why? Local and national authorities are best placed to advise on what people in your area should be doing to protect themselves. 
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    6 years ago
"What I will agree with, is that the coronavirus should have never been page 2"

For this POTUS, the only thing on page 1 was re-election.  

"Something unexpected and new to us." 

I disagree with you there.  "new to us" means that you never experienced such a circumstance before - America forgot about the previous more recent epidemics such as SARS, H1N1 (Swine flu), and what about AIDS?  Obama expected it.  Obama tried to be prepared for it, did he not?  Did he not appoint a Pandemic Preparation organization that Trump DISBANDED?   

An example of how America was unable to contain a virus that hit its shores was not properly dealing with the AIDS epidemic and allowing it to spread around the world.   Read this.  Granted the origin may have been Africa, but the major source became the USA.  Nobody else up to this point wanted to read an example of how America allowed a scourge to spread around the world, because it doesn't fit in with the
"blame China" protocol.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7  Jeremy Retired in NC    6 years ago
"I request that Donald Trump withdraw all extraordinary federal law enforcement and military presence from our city."

I request the mayor of D.C. pull her bottom lip over her head and swallow.

 
 

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