Donald Trump Accuses Jews Who Vote Democrat of 'A Total Lack of Knowledge or Great Disloyalty'

  
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Donald Trump Accuses Jews Who Vote Democrat of 'A Total Lack of Knowledge or Great Disloyalty'
President Donald Trump on Tuesday accused Jewish-Americans who vote for Democrats of showing "great disloyalty."

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Donald Trump Accuses Jews Who Vote Democrat of 'A Total Lack of Knowledge or Great Disloyalty'

President Donald Trump on Tuesday accused Jewish-Americans who vote for Democrats of showing "great disloyalty."

"Any Jewish people that vote for a Democrat — I think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty," Trump told reporters at the White House as he discussed a Monday press conference by Democratic Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, in which they criticized Israeli leaders for barring them from entering the Mediterranean nation.


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President Donald Trump speaks to members of the media in the Oval Office of the White House on August 20 in Washington, D.C.  Alex Wong/Getty

The congresswomen were joined by Jewish-American supporters during that press conference, during which they suggested that the U.S. Congress should consider cutting the billions of dollars in aid it regularly provides to Israel. Those comments were similar to remarks by 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who is also Jewish. He has repeatedly slammed the Israeli government decision to ban his colleagues, arguing that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu should also decline aid money sent from Washington.

"Cutting off aid to Israel because of two people that hate Israel and hate Jewish people — I can't believe we're even having this conversation," Trump said on Tuesday from the Oval Office.

On Twitter, some of the president's critics were quick to suggest that the president's comments were anti-Semitic. "So about that dual loyalty trope..." Ben Rhodes, a political commentator who worked for the administration of President Barack Obama, tweeted, sharing the president's quote.




So about that dual loyalty trope...  https://t.co/CbEjrFvZuP
— Ben Rhodes (@brhodes)  August 20, 2019



Rhodes was referencing a common anti-Semitic trope that claims Jewish-Americans have a dual loyalty to Israel and the U.S., suggesting that they would support the best interests of Israel over those of America. Trump's comment suggested that Jewish-Americans necessarily should have this kind of "dual-loyalty."

"This is an explicit dual loyalty charge wielded by the President of the United States against 80% of American Jews who voted against him. It is not mearly [ sic ] an antisemitic dog whistle — it's a bullhorn to his white nationalist base," the progressive Jewish-American group IfNotNow told  Newsweek  in a statement. "American Jews and Democratic voters know full well the impact of the racist policies of Netanyahu and the Israeli government on the Palestinian people. This is why an overwhelming majority to oppose those policies, like unchecked settlement expansion."




This explicit dual loyalty charge is not an antisemitic dog whistle — it's a bullhorn to his white nationalist base.

American Jewish leaders and Democratic politicians need to call out this out.

CC:  @ADL @AJCGlobal @URJorg @NCJW @SenSchumer @SpeakerPelosi @LeaderHoyer https://t.co/s72mATB2V8

— IfNotNow🔥 (@IfNotNowOrg)  August 20, 2019



"The president just called around 75% of American Jews ignorant and/or disloyal, which IMO is straightforward antisemitism but if you're in the other 25% your mileage may vary," David Klion, news editor at Jewish Currents, tweeted.

Beth Miller, government affairs manager at Jewish Voice for Peace Action, told  Newsweek  in a statement that Trump's remark did not only "play into the antisemitic trope of Jews holding 'dual-loyalty,'" but was "also just wildly disconnected from reality."

"A rapidly growing number of American Jews support conditioning, cutting, or ending U.S. military aid to a country that uses our tax dollars to violently oppress Palestinians," Miller said.

Omar and Tlaib last week  were banned  from traveling to Israel on a previously approved trip, during which they intended to meet with Israeli and Palestinian groups. Both congresswomen, who are the first two Muslim women to serve in the legislative body, have been outspoken in their criticism of Israel, pointing to the documented human rights abuses that the U.S. ally has committed against Palestinians.

Tlaib, who is the child of Palestinian-American immigrants, has family, including her 90-year-old grandmother, living in the West Bank. The Palestinian territory is largely controlled by Israel with a degree of autonomy, and the only way to enter is by traveling through Israel.

Israel banned the representatives due to their support for the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement, which calls for an economic and cultural boycott of Israel and its products until the country addresses human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Although Israeli leaders later decided that Tlaib could travel to the country to visit her elderly grandmother, she would have still been barred from criticizing the country or promoting BDS. As a result, she chose not to go.


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Representatives Ilhan Omar (D-MN) and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) hold a news conference on August 19 in St. Paul, Minnesota  Adam Bettcher/Getty

"It was an agonizing and unjust position for Israel to demand that @RepRashida silence her political views as a condition of visiting her sitty in Palestine," the progressive American-Jewish organization Jewish Voice for Peace wrote on Twitter on Tuesday. "Instead, she chose freedom at the expense of seeing her grandmother knowing that her freedom gives her life."






Trump has repeatedly attacked the two congresswomen, who have been highly critical of him and his administration. The president has claimed that Tlaib and Omar hate Jews, when they actually work frequently with Jewish colleagues on various legislative initiatives and enjoy significant support from progressive American Jewish groups.

Despite Trump's belief that Jewish-Americans should not vote for Democrats, only a minority of the group identified as Republicans as of 2018, according to  data released by Gallup in March. Just 16 percent of Jewish-American respondents said they were Republican, while 52 percent identified as Democrats and 31 percent considered themselves to be independent. That survey also found that 71 percent of Jewish-Americans disapproved of Trump's leadership.

This article was updated with a statement from Jewish Voice for Peace.

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

I wonder if Netanyahu, who appears to lick Trumps boots, will give an opinion about this. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago
"Cutting off aid to Israel because of two people that hate Israel and hate Jewish people — I can't believe we're even having this conversation,"

If the socialist democrats keep letting these Jew hating Muslims have center stage representing the democrat party it is going to have repercussions. I don't see how anyone can see it as a benefit to Democrats in this presidential election. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1    one month ago

It's possible that by letting them be, they will just continue hanging themselves and will bring the Democrat Party that is defending them down with them.  November 2020 will show the result of it.  No need to attack them - they are committing suicide without anyone's help. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1    one month ago

You know the last three mass shootings of Jews was done by right wing white nationalists, right? Not socialists, not democrats, not Muslims....white supremacists. 

BTW? Trump is a socialist, deal with it. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.3  KDMichigan  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.2    one month ago
You know

You know we are discussing the Jew hating Democrats right. And of course you had to throw a but Trump in there....

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Texan1211
1.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.3    one month ago
You know we are discussing the Jew hating Democrats right. And of course you had to throw a but Trump in there....

But of COURSE.

It IS another day ending in a "y", correct?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.4    one month ago

That is bogus. I don't usually rag on Trump but this was totally out of line. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.5    one month ago

Bogus?

Based on this post, you still call it bogus?

"You know the last three mass shootings of Jews was done by right wing white nationalists, right? Not socialists, not democrats, not Muslims....white supremacists.
BTW? Trump is a socialist, deal with it."

I say it is spot on!

Criticizing Trump for HIS remarks is one thing.

Likening a few nutjobs' actions to endorsement by Trump or the GOP is another. I question that posters' sources because they have told him some real whoppers which he believes, no matter how wrong they have been proven to be.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.6    one month ago

You are deflecting. 

I am talking about the comment and only the comment. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.7    one month ago

No deflection at all.

You must have missed this part "Criticizing Trump for HIS remarks is one thing."

Now, last I checked, the comment I referred to was THIS:

You know the last three mass shootings of Jews was done by right wing white nationalists, right? Not socialists, not democrats, not Muslims....white supremacists.
BTW? Trump is a socialist, deal with it.

Not ONE word in there about criticizing Trump for HIS remarks.

Deflection?

Maybe, but CERTAINLY not on MY part!

 
 
 
CB
1.1.9  CB   replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.3    one month ago

You DO see a picture of Trump and his Tuesday words in the article, YES?!

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President Donald Trump on Tuesday accused Jewish-Americans who vote for Democrats of showing "great disloyalty."


Of course you did! I will never consider it possible that a picture of Trump and his high-brow words escape you. After all, you can not'defend' what you do not know is out there, IN NEED OF.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.10  KDMichigan  replied to  CB @1.1.9    one month ago

What are you going on about now.

you can not'defend' what you do not know is out there, IN NEED OF.

??????

Type something I can understand then I'll be more than happy to respond.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.11  CB   replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.10    one month ago

I like my short-hand. That's all. Don't deflect. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.12  KDMichigan  replied to  CB @1.1.11    one month ago
Don't deflect. 

Whatever. I have no clue what your point is.

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CB
1.1.13  CB   replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.12    one month ago
You DO see a picture of Trump and his Tuesday words in the article, YES?!

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President Donald Trump on Tuesday accused Jewish-Americans who vote for Democrats of showing "great disloyalty."

Of course you do! I will never consider it possible that a picture of Trump and his high-brow words escape you.

Now relate to the question above - no more deflection . T his is about Trump who does not shut up - for a day. That man loves the sound of his own voice!

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1.14  cjcold  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.1    one month ago

"when they actually work frequently with Jewish colleagues on various legislative initiatives and enjoy significant support from progressive American Jewish groups." From the article.

Many Jews and Israelis don't like Netanyahu's right wing policies either.

I love my country but can't stand Trump and what he's doing to it. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.15  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.3    one month ago
You know we are discussing the Jew hating Democrats right. And of course you had to throw a but Trump in there....

You must not have read the seed. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.16  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1    one month ago
"Cutting off aid to Israel because of two people that hate Israel and hate Jewish people — I can't believe we're even having this conversation,"

What legislation has either of them filed to cut off aid to Israel? 

Hint: NONE. 

Swill another cup of koolaid...

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.17  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.6    one month ago
Likening a few nutjobs' actions to endorsement by Trump or the GOP is another.

Where in that comment did MrFrost say Trump or the GOP endorsed ANYTHING? 

It's quite telling that when white nationalists and white supremacists are cited, you immediately connect them to Trump and the GOP.

It appears that you've done exactly what you decry. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
2  MrFrost    one month ago

70% of Jews in the USA vote Democrat. Trump just called all of them traitors. 

Maybe they are tired of seeing white supremacists mowing down innocent Jews trying to go to church and the right wing literally refusing to do ANYTHING about it? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @2    one month ago
70% of Jews in the USA vote Democrat. Trump just called all of them traitors

Only those that support Talib and the "Left" that are Supporters of Talibs LYING Cry Baby jrSmiley_54_smiley_image.gif thinking, which is actually the "Rest of the Story" Liberals like to leave out ! jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    one month ago

I'm not a liberal and I don't like those women, but they are NOT the whole democratic party, nor represent their POV. 

But worse, Trump is basically calling any Jew who votes democrat a traitor. That is not his place especially given the history of the Jewish people. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    one month ago

Much like how some Democrats insist that Trump is racist because of his remarks following Charleston, and that makes anyone who supports him a racist, so it will go with Democrats facing the same situation because of these women's stance on BDS.

They DO represent the Democratic Party.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    one month ago
but they are NOT the whole democratic party, nor represent their POV. 

Unfortunately the freshmen congresswomen hold considerable power within the party. Nobody within the party is willing to contradict them. Only liberal TV host Bill Maher had the guts.

But worse, Trump is basically calling any Jew who votes democrat a traitor.

I don't think he meant it that way. It was bad in many ways to speak about why American Jews vote as they do. They at least vote on issues. I believe most American Jews put progressive ideology first. I assume it's cultural. Nobody can change that and by drawing attention to it Trump loses that battle. He never should have gone there.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    one month ago
so it will go with Democrats

That makes sense!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    one month ago
Much like how some Democrats insist that Trump is racist because of his remarks following Charleston, and that makes anyone who supports him a racist, so it will go with Democrats facing the same situation because of these women's stance on BDS. They DO represent the Democratic Party.

Uh, that is not well argued.  They are four congresspeople out of the 235 Democrats in Congress. So far they represent their districts. None of them is in a leadership position in the Congress. In fact, they all just got there. 

They represent the Democratic Party in your imagination , and Trump's, because it suits your purposes to say so. 

Trump is the president of the United States and is by definition a leader , of his political party if nothing else. 

Equating the impact of these four women with the president is disingenuous, at best. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    one month ago

Your complete, utter failure to realize that these women are pulling the Democratic Party farther and farther to the left, are anti-Semitics, and have faced virtually ZERO criticisms from within their own party tells the real story.

Ignoring reality doesn't CHANGE reality.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    one month ago

John, aside from the militant congresswomen, just look at what is coming out of the mouths of democratic presidential candidates.  I would venture to say that many people are horrified, not by the President, but by your deranged political party!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.7    one month ago

Your strategy is to smear every Democratic candidate. It is directly from Trumps playbook. He knows he is locked into a total in the low 40's, at best. His only hope is to drag the Democrats into his slime pit and hope somehow he can survive. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.8    one month ago
Your strategy is to smear every Democratic candidate.

Like you would never try to smear the Republican candidate, right?

Like Democratic candidates are doing something other than smearing Trump, right?

LMAO!

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.10  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    one month ago
but they are NOT the whole democratic party, nor represent their POV.

What is it the folks say ……. hmmmm ….."If one doesn't speak up about a bad message, they are complicit in the message" !

Isn't that what folks say if "Republicans" don't speak up right away ?

Hell, crying Schumer was all over anyone for suggesting a Boycott of Israel and BDS in the past, BEFORE HE NOW ISN'T, so it seems (he's a NO SHOW on this) !

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.9    one month ago
Like you would never try to smear the Republican candidate, right?

Telling the truth about Donald Trump is not smearing him.  You are a good example of why I have had to fight with the moderators about commenting on Trump supporters. 

We have this person who is completely unfit to be president of the United States, yet we have to fight every day, over the same ground day after day, all because of trump supporters. THEY are the issue in this country right now. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.11    one month ago

Telling the truth about anti-Semites within the Democratic Party isn't smearing them, John. And telling the truth about how Democrats support the anti-Semites isn't smearing them, either.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.13  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.11    one month ago
THEY are the issue in this country right now.

Maybe the "Hillary" voters are the REAL ISSUE here. They've gone "Totally Bonkers" Left !

Talib for President…..She "Creates" things she can actually cry alligator tears about ! jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_54_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.10    one month ago
Hell, crying Schumer was all over anyone for suggesting a Boycott of Israel and BDS in the past, BEFORE HE NOW ISN'T, so it seems (he's a NO SHOW on this) !

You're kidding, right?

https://jewishinsider.com/2019/06/chuck-schumer-to-support-anti-bds-legislation/

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) will announce today his support for a bipartisan anti-BDS measure. 

The Senate   resolution   (S.Res. 120), introduced by Senators Ben Cardin (D-MD) and Rob Portman (R-OH) expresses opposition to “efforts to delegitimize the State of Israel and the Global Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement targeting Israel.”

“I strongly support this resolution and firmly oppose the BDS movement targeting Israel. S.Res.120 is led by Senator Cardin and Senator Portman and I proudly join the bipartisan group of Senators and Representatives pushing for its passage,” Schumer told   Jewish Insider .

The measure, introduced to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in March, has at least 60 co-sponsors, including 24 Democrats. A companion in the House, led by Reps. Brad Schneider (D-IL) and Lee Zeldin (R-NY), has over 300 co-sponsors. That resolution is expected to come to the House floor for a vote sometime in the summer. 

That was just last month. Mondoweiss was frothing at the mouth over this.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.12    one month ago
And telling the truth about how Democrats support the anti-Semites isn't smearing them, either.

What truth? The vast number of Democrats in Congress are pro-Israel. Why do you think American Jews so consistently vote Democratic? 

What Democrats don't do is rubber stamp everything done by Netanyahu's right wing government in Israel.  Nor does his opposition in the Israeli parliament. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.12    one month ago
Telling the truth about anti-Semites within the Democratic Party isn't smearing them, John. And telling the truth about how Democrats support the anti-Semites isn't smearing them, either.

Half that statement is true. There are anti-Semites in the Democratic Party. Do you think there are non in the Republican party, or they are just not as vocal? And how are the Dems supporting them? By voting on a bipartisan referendum on (S.Res. 120) against anti semitism?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.15    one month ago

Just because you personally refuse to acknowledge the anti-Semites in the Democratic Party doesn't have one damn thing to do with there actually BEING anti-Semites in the Party.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.18  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.16    one month ago

 During a press gaggle, Trump just doubled down on his "Jews who vote for Democrats are disloyal"  comment. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.19  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.14    one month ago
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) will announce today his support for a bipartisan anti-BDS measure. 

Quietly Announce ? No Big deal made of it ?

Nothing about the House Members that "Support" BDS ?

This is how he used to be:

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.16    one month ago
Half that statement is true. There are anti-Semites in the Democratic Party. Do you think there are non in the Republican party, or they are just not as vocal? And how are the Dems supporting them? By voting on a bipartisan referendum on (S.Res. 120) against anti semitism?

I know that there are some in both parties, and have never pretended otherwise. Few people have the news coverage as the women we are talking about, who vocally and loudly support BDS, said that they were going to Palestine, and were involved with anti-Semetic groups.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    one month ago
Much like how some Democrats insist that Trump is racist because of his remarks following Charleston,

His first comments after the event were a joke. He had to rewrite them over and over till they finally meant something about those neo-nazis. 

and that makes anyone who supports him a racist,

No, it does not.

so it will go with Democrats facing the same situation because of these women's stance on BDS. They DO represent the Democratic Party.

OK I will repeat this again. There is a bipartisan resolution against BDS, so neither party supports it. 

https://jewishinsider.com/2019/06/chuck-schumer-to-support-anti-bds-legislation/

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.20    one month ago
I know that there are some in both parties, and have never pretended otherwise. Few people have the news coverage as the women we are talking about, who vocally and loudly support BDS, said that they were going to Palestine, and were involved with anti-Semetic groups.

Maybe they are getting the news coverage because they are so damn vocal, which in fact, I prefer. At least we all know what hateful bigots they are and can respond to them. It doesn't mean anyone supports them, since I have not read that. Can you show me where anyone from the MSM says they support them?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.23  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.22    one month ago

The Squad appears to be loud because they get so much press coverage. If the press didn't report every friggin' word they said we wouldn't know anything about them.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.24  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.23    one month ago

I agree Trout. I personally I have no problem with their press coverage since it shows them to be the hateful bigots that they are. I would rather know that, than not. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.25  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.17    one month ago

I have said I dont approve of BDS , and I dont approve of anyone who denies Israels right to exist. Nor am I anti-semite.  So I dont know where you get the idea that I approve of anti-semites in Congress. 

What I have said is that they have no power, dont control the Democratic Party, and Trump is making them into straw men or boogey men in his presidential campaign. 

This is quite obvious. Why do Trumpsters buy it? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.24    one month ago

I don't see them as 'hateful bigots'.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.27  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.26    one month ago

No, they are lovely ladies who just hate Jews./ sarc.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.28  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    one month ago
Unfortunately the freshmen congresswomen hold considerable power within the party.

No more so than anyone else, trump wants you to believe that they are the face of the Democratic party and apparently, you bought it hook, line and sinker. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.22    one month ago

I said Democrats must support them because I don't see anywhere where Democrats have condemned them for their stances.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.28    one month ago

You should be one of the last people on the face of the earth to criticize what others are willing to "fall" for, [deleted]

Didn't you tell me you believed that Fox was banned in Canada, and then you said it was banned in the UK?

I believe that they are MUCH closer to the truth when people say that they are the face of the Democratic Party than I would ever believe such crap as "Fox is banned in____"!

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.31  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.27    one month ago

If it is fair to say that AOC "Hates Jews" is it fair to say you hate Muslims!

How about everyone cans the hyperbolic accusations and takes a breath?

There are many American Jews who oppose the hardline stance of the current Likud Party administration in Israel. Many believe that what is being done is harmful to Jews everywhere in the long run. That does not equal hating Jews. Then why should it necessarily be so for the only Muslim member of Congress? I think you all  need to dial it back some. Jews tend to come to the defense of anyone being marginalized, demonized and dehumanized because they have often been on the receiving end of such sentiments. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.32  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.27    one month ago

Hate Jews?  That's absurd.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.33  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @2.1.31    one month ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.34  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @2.1.31    one month ago
If it is fair to say that AOC "Hates Jews" is it fair to say you hate Muslims!

Did I say AOC? No I didn't. I said Omar and Tlaib. I am not happy about AOC stance on BDS but she has not said anything overtly anti Semitic. And where do you get off saying that I hate Muslims? When have I ever taken that POV? Never. 

There are many American Jews who oppose the hardline stance of the current Likud Party administration in Israel. Many believe that what is being done is harmful to Jews everywhere in the long run.That doesnotequalhatingJews.

Yes, and I am not a fan of the Likud party either. That has nothing to do with past comments made by these two women. 

Then why should it necessarily be so for the only Muslim member of Congress?

Because she has said awful things, that is why. Also, the BDS movement is about the destruction of Isreal. You should check out right of return. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.28    one month ago

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We don't need the President to recognize it!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.36  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.32    one month ago
Hate Jews?  That's absurd. 

Really?

Omar wrote back, "It's all about the Benjamins baby," a line about $100 bills from a Puff Daddy song. Critics jumped on the tweet and said Omar was calling up a negative and harmful stereotype of Jewish Americans.

Then she apologized only to double down:

"I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is OK for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country. I want to ask why is it OK for me to talk about the influence of the NRA (National Rifle Association), of fossil fuel industries or Big Pharma, and not talk about a powerful lobbying group that is influencing policies?"

That is one of the oldest antisemitic tropes there is. Where Jews loyalties lie. 

"Accusing Jews of harboring dual loyalty has a long, violent, sordid history," he said on MPR News' Morning Edition on Tuesday. "It's the standard fare of [then-Ku Klux Klan leader] David Duke. It's difficult and dangerous because it evokes the Jews as the malevolent other, conspiring against society."

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/07/700901834/minnesota-congresswoman-ignites-debate-on-israel-and-anti-semitism

And frankly, you and Jbb are feeding into exactly what the conservatives are saying here. That the Dems will look aside and make excuses for the inexcusable. I have been with you guys on this topic and Trump's remarks, but this is where we part ways. And honestly, if from the view of an independent, I am looking for the Dems to step up and say something to these bigots. You want to win the next election, take stock of your representatives and what they are doing to your party. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.37  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.36    one month ago

Okey dokey.  If you say so.  That's fine.  You have the right to your opinion as do I.  

 
 
 
Goodtime Charlie
2.1.38  Goodtime Charlie  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.16    one month ago
And how are the Dems supporting them? By voting on a bipartisan referendum on (S.Res. 120) against anti semitism?

Will will Omar and Tlaib vote for S.Res.120? NOPE

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.39  Vic Eldred  replied to  Goodtime Charlie @2.1.38    one month ago

A better question is how long this will go on? Can they repeatedly flaunt their anti-Semitic views publicly & not be censured or stripped of committee assignments? Both should be censured for their bigotry. Immediately.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.40  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Goodtime Charlie @2.1.38    one month ago
Will will Omar and Tlaib vote for S.Res.120? NOPE

They are not the party. I bet there will people on the republican side that won't vote for it too.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.41  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.39    one month ago
A better question is how long this will go on? Can they repeatedly flaunt their anti-Semitic views publicly & not be censured or stripped of committee assignments? Both should be censured for their bigotry. Immediately.

And what should we do with what Trump said? This is a case of two wrongs not making a right.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.42  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.35    one month ago
The party stands for anti-Semitism, anti-religion, reparations and all of the ideals of progressive radicalism. We don't need the President to recognize it!

Oh come on Vic, that isn't true either. Both parties have extremes within their ranks and they should both own it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.43  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @2.1.31    one month ago

Perrie is not anti-Muslim. Everyone needs to calm down a little. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.44  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.42    one month ago
The party stands for anti-Semitism, anti-religion, reparations and all of the ideals of progressive radicalism. We don't need the President to recognize it!

You and the other moderators have deleted me for saying much less.  Why is his comment still up? 

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.45  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.34    one month ago

Except that I have never ever actually heard or read of either Tlaib or Omar expressing any personal hatred for Jews. I did read of a few maybe ill considered remarks regarding Israel and BDS which got blown way out of proportion and which I also read that they walked back and appologized for. If any of the 36 Jewish members of the US Congress was being demonized and dehumanized merely for advocating for Israel and for the Jewish People that would be wrong. It is also wrong that the only Muslim and the only Christian Palestinian in Congress are being unfairly demonized and dehumanized merely for advocating for their constituents. Should they not advocate for Muslim People when they are oppressed? Why should they necessarily not represent for the Palestinians? Again, if they are antisemitic then there is a hella lot of anti-Islamic hate going uncommented upon around here. Got Hypocrisy? The News Talkers Does...

If you want some examples of real antisemitism, of outright hate, then there are plenty lots tons of them out there to see. I really do believe that by falsely labeling Tlaib and Omar as the poster girls for antisemitism is not only unfair it is untruthful. Butt, go ahead and organize your lynch party. Because, after all, they deserve it! Trump says so anyway. Righto? "SHIP THEM BACK! SHIP THEM BACK! SHIP THEM BACK!"

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.46  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @2.1.45    one month ago

I think one could make an argument that support for BDS is a form of anti-semitism. I dont think that criticism of the Israeli government or policy toward the Palestinians is anti-semitism in most cases. 

Because the country of Israel is a Jewish state, the people and the government often become conflated which leads to many misunderstandings. However, a boycott of Israel is an existential threat and I think could be considered anti-semitic. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.47  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.46    one month ago

r BDS is a form of anti-semitism

Of course it is.  They aren't boycotting Saudi Arabia for executing gays, or any other despotic country with  myriad violations of human rights. 

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.48  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.46    one month ago

BDS is just the same kinds of sanctions the US and other nations uses all the time to pressure all sorts of rogue nations to honor international norms regarding all kinds of thing from trade to human rights. It is not an act of war...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.49  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @2.1.45    one month ago

It is not OK to say as many remarks as they have and then walk it back. Do you accept that from Trump? I don't and neither should you. People say what they mean for the most part, and this last stunt with trying to go to Gaza was just another way of demonizing Israel. This has nothing to do with their color or faith, so please stop with that nonsense. This has to do with their actions and the fact that they want the attention. Don't make it sound like they are being picked on.. they crave this. And no one here has dehumanized them. Stop with the drama. They are your run of the mill bigots and that makes them quite human. If they cared so much about human rights, let them complain about the rest of the Muslim world. Omar would have been a zero in her home country because she is a woman. It was our country that gave her what she has today.

They can advocate for whatever they want and we as voters and as citizens of this country can criticize them. And you are correct, there are anti-Muslim sentiments here on NT, but no one here is a representative, so how is their hypocrisy?

At the end of the day, it is this attitude that has the possibility of having Trump win again. 

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.50  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.43    one month ago

Exacty what do you call having absolutely no tolerance for even a hint of antisemitism while not only tolerating but even justifying outright Islamaphobia? By the standards being used to brand some as antisemitic there is surely a hella lot of anti-Islamic hate being sloughed off around here!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.51  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @2.1.48    one month ago

Israel is geographically and in population a tiny country. The entire population of Israel is smaller than the metro of Chicago (where I live). 

An effective boycott of such a small place would be magnified and eventually make it impossible for Israel to continue to exist.  I dont believe in boycotting a place out of existence. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.52  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @2.1.45    one month ago
Again, I have never agreed or said "SHIP THEM BACK! SHIP THEM BACK! SHIP THEM BACK!"

And that is not what this article is about. It is about Trump's comments that are also old anti semitic tropes, so why not look at some of those comments, too. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.53  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @2.1.50    one month ago

I am sure that Perrie is not anti-Muslim.  I have no authority or influence whatsoever over the forum, so cant comment on that. 

I will say that she is a fair and good person who does not harbor any racial or religious prejudice. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.54  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @2.1.45    one month ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.55  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @2.1.48    one month ago

BDS is a lie. It is about the destruction of Israel. I posted 2 videos about it but I doubt you watched them. 

And here is my question to you. You are calling Israel a rogue nation. What do you call the rest of the countries in the M/E that have zero human rights? Where is your indignation for the West Bank who won't let gays be gays? Why is it always Isreal that held to a different standard than the rest of the M/E. Heck, there isn't a Jew in most of these countries because they were all booted out and all of their belongs were stolen, too. Where is the outrage for that?

By the standards being used to brand some as antisemitic there is surely a hella lot of anti-Islamic hate being sloughed off around here!

This is a discussion board. I have never said anything anti-Muslim ever, nor do I have an issue with Muslims. And just like the anti-Israel stuff posted here, it is up to the membership to step up and speak out. I don't censor anything unless it truly hate speech as under the guidelines of this country and this site.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.56  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    one month ago

This goes under the heading: Trump: "I'm really smart."  

Trump likes to play stupid, and that he does not understand. But, effectively, this dude is smart about his number 1 fan: Donald J. Trump.

Donald J. Trump will say and do any-thing to WIN for Donald J. Trump's POV. Including up to and touching, coming out and sitting before 'hot' cameras and pouting about being shortchanged by American Jews who can't appreciate his transactional record in Israel.

So Tuesday, Trump sits on his big-butt and tries to take it 'home' to American Jews, if only to get those fine folks thinking about a 'sympathy vote,' this time next fall. 

Trump is a slick confidence man. Oh yeah, he knows his 'business'!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.57  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  CB @2.1.56    one month ago

I think Trump is "smart" about things he is interested in, things that have some benefit to him. On everything else he is an ignoramus. 

I do not buy at all the idea, promoted by trump, that he is high IQ.  He is above average probably, but not high. He's too stupid to be high IQ. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.58  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.30    one month ago
I believe that they are MUCH closer to the truth when people say that they are the face of the Democratic Party than I would ever believe such crap as "Fox is banned in____"!

Still trolling that shit huh? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.59  igknorantzrulz  replied to  CB @2.1.56    one month ago

A "slick confidence man" that lacks confidence...?

That needs pep rallies to boost his most obvious insecurities ??

I'll grant you, he has an uncanny knack at playing people, but i've found that ignorance ruling far too many, is in no way a statement declaring ones inteligence, for if he were truly intelligent, he would not of been talking about ANYTHING, but the economy during the 2018 elections, yet he chose to basically make that one of the only things he did not discuss.

IMO, he uses his non stop foot in mouth absurdities to the best of his, and so many others, disabilities.

.

The amount of BULL$HIT he blurts out, is far too much for most to even absorb, yet he does it consistently.

If i were Jewish, i'd be fckn offended by his statements, that either you're not able to comprehend(too stupid), or you are disloyal to Israel to vote Democratic.

Just my opinion, on a subject (The Jewish One) that i'm not fully yet up to speed about.

.

The problem i see, is this total abomination, who is still hung up upon the previous Obamanation (Only cause he knows his base, and it's Pavlov reactions) is still able to get away with SO DAMN MUCH, when he should have been impeached and remeoved from office immediately after Mueller's report was released, but NO, thanks to Barr and an ignorance to facts and reality, he is still here, causing disarray amongst us. 

How a pathetic little excuse of a man, actually thought this through , as one who has caused so much friction,

Kan dull down the truth like a Slick 50 something or other, as a "slick confidence 'man", leaves one less confident about our country asz A whole, unless you are stating our country consists of too many asz A wholes, cause then,

we would be in total Agreement.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.60  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.41    one month ago
And what should we do with what Trump said?

Trump isn't subject to rules of the House. He is the President. As far he goes, you have 5 major news outlets calling him a "racist" 24-7 for three years. What more do you want?

 
 
 
CB
2.1.61  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.6    one month ago

Criticize Trump. Go ahead. One moment. . . okay, we're ready now. Please proceed Texan1211. . . .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.62  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.42    one month ago
Oh come on Vic, that isn't true either.

It is true! Progressives control the party. How many democrat presidential candidates raised their hands for open borders?  How many democrat Governors are defying federal law with sanctuary cities?  How about the mayor of NYC who hates cops?  Look at the tent cities in LA and SF? 

Anywhere you look you see the democrats are nothing more than extremists with power. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.63  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.62    one month ago

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CB
2.1.64  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.12    one month ago

I don't get much chance to hear from these four congresswomen out of their own mouths, and maybe they should tone down the rhetoric (or whatever). Especially since some conservatives are trying to turn replace Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton with "the squad."

However, as the saying goes, "If you can't beat them - join them."

The Squad needs to hear from democrats who wish to help them with their messaging. If Trump wants to make them the face of something - then, they should give Trump many reasons to NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM AGAIN.

Democrats should call The Squad offices and SUGGEST they start tweeting out critically selected sections of The Mueller Report and The Senate Report and The Epoch Times' propaganda purposes and outputting on behalf of the Trump Campaign, Moscow Mitch's 'money train," etceteras every time Trump  "lights" one or all of them up!

https://omar.house.gov/

1517 Longworth House Office Building
(202) 225-4755

https://pressley.house.gov

1108 Longworth House Office Building
(202) 225-5111

https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/

229 Cannon House Office
Building
(202) 225-3965

https://tlaib.house.gov/

1628 Longworth House Office Building
(202) 225-5126

      DON'T RUN FROM FAME - EMBRACE IT! IF THE PRESIDENT WANTS TO 'MAKE YOU FAMOUS' - GIVE'EM SOMETHING WORTH TALKING ABOUT!

I'm calling right now!

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.65  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    one month ago
They DO represent the Democratic Party.

Cool, then I guess Steve King represents the republican party. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.66  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.29    one month ago

I said Democrats must support them because I don't see anywhere where Democrats have condemned them for their stances.

How many repubs have condemned trump for his anti-Muslim rhetoric? 

None. 

 
 
 
CB
2.1.67  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.36    one month ago

Hmmm. My time just does not get to these women. I will have to try to 'sound them out' so as to understand what is driving them.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.68  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.58    one month ago
Still trolling that shit huh?

Do you no longer believe what you told me you believed?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.69  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.66    one month ago

@2.1.66

What anti-Muslim stuff have you made up and attributed to Trump now?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.70  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.62    one month ago
It is true! Progressives control the party. How many democrat presidential candidates raised their hands for open borders? 

Maybe you missed the second round where many of them took back open borders. I live in NY and I can say a lot of things about our idiot mayor but he doesn't hate cops. And NYC doesn't have camp cities. And for the record, Austin has them, too. I'm sorry but I don't use a broad brush for either party and one should not throw stones while living in glasshouses. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.71  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.70    one month ago
Maybe you missed the second round where many of them took back open borders.

Do you accept that?

I live in NY and I can say a lot of things about our idiot mayor but he doesn't hate cops.

The NYC Police unions disagree:

"The largest union representing New York City police officers blasted Mayor   Bill de Blasio   (D), a frequent target, for his comments during Wednesday night’s Democratic debate about discussing how to avoid police run-ins with his African American son.

"Mayor de Blasio has apparently learned nothing over the past six years about the extremely damaging impact of anti-police rhetoric on both cops and the communities we serve,” Patrolmen's Benevolent Association of New York President   Patrick Lynch   said in a statement."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/450644-new-york-police-union-blasts-de-blasios-comments-on-cops-in-debate

And NYC doesn't have camp cities.

Maybe not, only because de Blasio hasn't yet implemented California's rights for degenerates. The city has changed. I used to go to NYC, no longer! Saratoga is now my only NY stop.

And for the record, Austin has them, too.

Austin being Texas lone liberal bastion. Take a look at what Republicans did for the great city of Houston!

I'm sorry but I don't use a broad brush for either party and one should not throw stones while living in glasshouses. 

I respect your opinion.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.72  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.71    one month ago
Do you accept that?

Yes.

The NYC Police unions disagree

There is more to that than just appearances, like their contract with the city.

Maybe not, only because de Blasio hasn't yet implemented California's rights for degenerates. The city has changed. I used to go to NYC, no longer! Saratoga is now my only NY stop.

Nothing has changed in the city since the last two administrations and you have no reason to say that de Blasio wants tent cities since they are still rounding up the homeless as they have for the last 20 some odd years. Sorry, but our city is just as clean and safe, so that is just your perception. This has been my home my whole life (except when living in London), so I remember when the city was truly bad. Now it is an amazing city that even impressed Larry Hampton and his wife who come from a small town in Minnesota as being friendly and beautiful.

Austin being Texas lone liberal bastion. Take a look at what Republicans did for the great city of Houston!

That is not true. El Paso, Dallas, San Antonio and the Rio Grande Valley are all democratic. Houston is 50/50 and you seem to forget the influx of northerners coming in which means it will only change more. 

I respect your opinion.

Thanks Vic. Ditto. 

 
 
 
Willjay9
2.1.73  Willjay9  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    one month ago

Well according to Guiliani, he's claiming that every Jewish AMERICAN is a traitor to Israel! Basically claiming every Jewish AMERICAN has dual loyalty...the thing the right based their attacks on Omar claiming she made that same assumption! 

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.74  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.39    one month ago
A better question is how long this will go on?

Nothing is done whenever Trump spews his bullshit, so why do you think Dems should be treated differently?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.75  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @2.1.74    one month ago
Nothing is done whenever Trump spews his bullshit,

Let's see, the dishonorable freaks who oppose the President have fraudulently investigated him, derided his family, harassed his appointed officials, ruined people's reputations and careers, slandered his supporters and last but not least, distorted the news & called the President a racist on a daily basis. I'd say Trump has paid a terrible price for his bluster. I'm waiting to punish the scum on the left who are far worse than you claim he is!

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.76  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.75    one month ago

Funny, you and I have a very different definition of fraudulent investigations. All those indictments and guilty pleas, and you pretend it was fraudulent?

You call directly quoting the idiotic things Trump says to be distorting the news?

How many Benghazi investigations were there?

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.77  MrFrost  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.55    one month ago

Very well said.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.1.78  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.75    one month ago
I'd say Trump has paid a terrible price for his bluster.

And yet, has he learned any lessons or listened to counsel and thus ratcheted down his bluster? On the contrary, he either doubles down or accusatorily walks it back. Never taking responsibility but eager to place blame. Defend him as you seemingly must; but his words, actions and behavior demand accountability, not for individual or even partisan reasons, but to the office he occupies.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.79  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @2.1.76    one month ago
Funny, you and I have a very different definition of fraudulent investigations.

I go by the laws of the Unites States. Investigations require a criminal predicate. We are not supposed to investigate citizens in search of a crime, nor are we to spy on American citizens, nor opposing political campaigns.


You call directly quoting the idiotic things Trump says to be distorting the news?

You mean like distorting his every statement and contesting his every action?

How did that go?....he asked the Russians to "HACK" Hillary's e-mails?


How many Benghazi investigations were there?

Congress gets to investigate many things. I think you are now seeing how much strength those Congressional investigations have. And when the Republicans ran them they didn't even seek to back up those subpoenas as the democrats are. Kind of frustrating aren't they?

Ya, there is nothing like an all powerful Special Counsel investigation, which has all the power & money of the US government. Btw, we do have a US Attorney investigation going on - it is investigating the rouge agencies that did the fraudulent investigations!

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.80  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.72    one month ago

Someone told me that there were tent cities in Baltimore (where I work).

Hmmm, I don't know where they are.  No such things.

Some tend to make up shit as they go along.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.81  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.75    one month ago

What price has the 'president' paid for all the bluster that spews out of his shithole of a mouth?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.82  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.78    one month ago
And yet, has he learned any lessons or listened to counsel and thus ratcheted down his bluster?

Nope, like his opponents, he is incorrigible!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.83  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.81    one month ago
What price has the 'president' paid

Once a question has been answered it need not be repeatedly asked.

I refer you to post # 2.1.75

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.84  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.83    one month ago

I have yet to see the answer to the price the 'president' has paid for all the shit that spews from his shithole of a mouth.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.85  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.84    one month ago

Take a breathe.....again it's post # 2.1.75

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.86  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.85    one month ago

That's, 'take a breath'

Don't see it.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.87  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.86    one month ago
That's, 'take a breath'

Definition of  breathe

1 a :   to draw air into and   expel   it from the lungs   :   RESPIRE broadly   :   to take in oxygen and give out carbon dioxide through natural processes
b :   to inhale and exhale freely.


Don't see it.  

It must be a technical problem. I can't help you
 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.88  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.87    one month ago

i can't "draw air" it's invisible

n

i have not a pen

artistic ability etc.

Trump can draw conclusions

n

write out of thin air, cause the phat stuff is inconclusive, at least thats what Trump concluded, at the very begining , 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.89  Vic Eldred  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.88    one month ago

Are you quoting one of Bill Clinton's attorneys?

Repeat after me:

I

have

a

self-imposed

suspension

coming!

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.90  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.79    one month ago
 Btw, we do have a US Attorney investigation going on - it is investigating the rouge agencies that did the fraudulent investigations!

Trump's toadie Barr? That's certainly not politically driven /s

Congress gets to investigate many things.

Exactly. Including the Trump campaign's ties to Russia.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.91  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @2.1.90    one month ago
Trump's toadie Barr? That's certainly not politically driven /s

Oh you can do better than that? Try fuckin Holder and Loretta Lynch!

Exactly. Including the Trump campaign's ties to Russia.

Um-hum and how is that coming along?

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.92  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.91    one month ago

Um-hum and how is that coming along?

 
That went well, I'd say. 37 people were indicted or pled guilty.
Oh you can do better than that? Try fuckin Holder and Loretta Lynch!
You think it's worse for Lynch to meet with Clinton than for Trump's buddies to meet with Russians? Wow.
 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.93  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.87    one month ago
'I can't help you'

Nope, no way in hell.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.94  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @2.1.92    one month ago
That went well, I'd say. 37 people were indicted or pled guilty.

From the congressional investigation?  Nope, I think you are either confused or deliberately misleading us.

You think it's worse for Lynch to meet with Clinton than for Trump's buddies to meet with Russians? 

Oh, yes. Lynch violated her oath. She was corrupt. The Trump people received an offer from people unknown (Fusion GPS) to meet with Russian nationals who supposedly had opposition research on Clinton. It's called a frame.

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.95  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.94    one month ago
Oh, yes. Lynch violated her oath. She was corrupt.

Proof? There's no proof that Clinton's emails were discussed. Do I think it's likely that they were? Actually, I do. 

However, I think meeting with our enemies is far worse.

And then Barr tried to spin the Mueller report, and pretend that it didn't outline several clear instances of Trump trying to obstruct justice. You claim to hate corruption - that was certainly corrupt; Barr is completely loyal to Trump instead of to his country. He think's he's Trump's personal lawyer, which is why Trump hired him in the first place. How is that OK while what Lynch did isn't?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.96  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @2.1.95    one month ago
And then Barr tried to spin the Mueller report

Barr didn't spin anything. He told the truth and Weissmann didn't like it. Weissmann is evil. He couldn't make people lie so he wrote a bunch of nonsesne on Trump collusion and waited for the democrats to win the House to hand it to them. Too bad the impeachment is going nowhere. The actions of Comey, Brnnan, Clapper and a host of other rogue officials will be the story very soon. Too bad Clinton didn't win - we would never know about it!

 
 
 
CB
2.1.97  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.57    one month ago

This dude is smart about his number 1 fan: Donald J. Trump. That is what I mean and it is what I truly believe. The fact is, I have experienced at least one person with the personality of Trump. (He is still the same today after 30 years - when I check in on him. So, . . . .)

Trump hires and partners with people for the sole mission of protecting Donald J. Trump. See: Giuliani, Barr, Trump TV, Trump cabinet, striking up private international relations with leaders holding "dictatorial" authority so they can aid Trump with no one to utter nay, et ceteras. Trump is the Sun and everyone he knows 'orbit' him.

Over Donald's long life, he has gotten good at picking out the winners for him and keeps a file on each of them so if they turn on him he can mock and deny each one in its turn.

Any one of our democrat candidates who is successful at coming up against Donald Trump has to understand that any information Donald has compiled on him or her; any thing that Donald can get through hook or crook to hang on 'em, any embarrassing dirty old, forgotten, processed already —laundry - it will be made new, "rememberable," and re-processed in the upcoming general election.

So democrats should consider long and hard challenging this asinine person for he is the personification of Machiavellian politics on steroids!

 
 
 
CB
2.1.98  CB   replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.59    one month ago
The amount of BULL$HIT he blurts out, is far too much for most to even absorb, yet he does it consistently.

You are hitting upon something here. Trump must be getting physically and mentally tired by now. Look for the signs of fatigue in his 'field of play.'

Otherwise, if he is the type who reserves all his waking strength for the game itself --All DEMOCRATS should stay sharp! "Float like a butterfly, and sting like a BEE." (Muhammad Ali.)

Because Trump is playing 'hardball politics,' as a strategy right this minute. He will accept any kind of victory he can declare. After achieving that "righteous" or "diabolical" victory - he plans to unleash a torrent of lawyers to flood the field of play and the zone. And, while everyone is watching what the lawyers do, The Trumps and Pences will prepare for a second "coronation."

Watch out - Democrat players. Play the Long Game!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.99  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.60    one month ago

Trump isn't subject to rules of the House. He is the President. As far he goes, you have 5 major news outlets calling him a "racist" 24-7 for three years. What more do you want?

What more do you want........................................................................................................................................................................................?

Well for starters, how about Trump stop being a racist.

And while he's at it, how about condemning racists, and the idealology he has surplanted into weak minds ?

How about non incentivising the White uprising by peoples who want an actual NOUN, to excuse why their lives aren't as swell as just a generation prior, due to Trump being Richard, some Dick, just Pryor to freeing his Base, who R worthy of like Richard Pryor,  self combustion. One who has found a way to sway persons, whom obviously lack critical thinking  skills, do not realize who the damn backers of this POS are, and have been taken for a long damn ride around the truth, SHOULD NOT get any damn PASS

How can people bypass the reality directly in front of them...

How can so many willingly look away as he violates about every, any,  and all the DAMN PRINCIPLES the United States of America was founded upon ?

WTF people ???   I see so many on the 'Right' try and normalize one who CAN"T be Normalized,   EVER !

.

What was it 27 FCKN people arrested in the past week or so, all with mass shooting aspirations ?

How this CANNOT BE DIRECTLY CORRELATED back to and with Trump, and his racist Rhetoric, is cult like in the defensive devotion, to a piece of White Trash, and should be found Disturbing, as it SHOULD BE,

FOUND DISTURBING !

WTF America, look at his agenda, 

Divide America

Patronize and praise Dictators 

Bash our NATO Allies with almost all lies

Circumvent our  balance of Powers Protections

LIE constantly about Elections

Along with  MOST N E & Everything ELSE 

ETC> < ETC> <

So far, HE has proven to be the only election fraud.

The 'right' have wronged US ALL, for immediate gains, unbelievably modest and small, in the larger picture of this country,for it should, all, appall.

Trump has taken this BULLSHIT BEHAVIOR FAR FURTHER THAN ANYONE CAN EVER BE ALLOWED 

.

The 'man' is not properly fine tuned in the mind.

The President of this Country, is the one Peoples look for , so as to bring US together, and he does the opposite, and the GOP is a sack of gutless Pussies for not calling out this VIOLATION,

of a DAMN NATION 

.

THE MUELLER REPORT FOUND NOTHING  ?????

I see recited daily by members that post here...

Who, that has read this report, could possibly claim NOTHING was found ?   Cause that is an outright FALSEHOOD.

Or in Trump's case , just another one to add to his 12,000 LIES and increasing daily.

.

You're more worried about winning a self imposed suspension from this FCKN site, than the LIVES and wellbeing of our DAMN COUNTRY.

I would gladly permanently suspend myself, than have Trump further tear this country the frick apart !

LOOK AT WTF YOU ARE EVEN COMPARING...?

I would wish for the TRUTH to be PRESENTED TRUTHFULLY,

cause it is complete fantasy Trump is innocent.
.

He only still exists due to people too proud to swallow their DAMN PRIDE

Again   WTF

 
 
 
cjcold
2.1.100  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.6    one month ago

They're not pulling this independent centrist anywhere, but I do like their spunk. About time the American blinders were removed concerning our love affair with the far right wing Likud party.  

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.101  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    one month ago
I don't think he meant it that way.

Then please DO tell me, exactly in what way DID he mean it?

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.102  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    one month ago
Much like how some Democrats insist that Trump is racist because of his remarks following Charleston, and that makes anyone who supports him a racist

What did Trump say following Charleston that the Democrats insist is racist? 

 
 
 
CB
2.1.103  CB   replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.99    one month ago

Thank you for being a Leader! Thank you for hitting this home-run with the bases loaded!

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.104  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.39    one month ago
Immediately.

Why should the Democrats act any faster than the GOP does? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.105  igknorantzrulz  replied to  CB @2.1.103    one month ago

i am not a leader around here,

but ,

i will speak my mind from time to time

. As i look forward to anyone wanting to challenge my statements.

Just sick up and fed, of so many people unable to admit they Fckd up, they believed a liar, and now refuse to admit he is a LIAR, A RACIST, A desecrator  of women, of children, & of other men.

Lunch

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.1.106  Raven Wing  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.105    one month ago
i am not a leader around here,

LOL. None of us are "leaders around here" Iggy. We are all just equal participants who voice our own thoughts, opinions and beliefs on various topics.

Some here just do it louder than others. jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

I enjoy your comments, and find many of them very profound. So....keep up the good work and sharing your own opinions, thoughts and beliefs. We can all learn from each other if we keep an open mind. jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.107  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.106    4 weeks ago
if we keep an open mind

Too many on the right left their minds open,

and

their damn brains fell out

 
 
 
CB
2.2  CB   replied to  MrFrost @2    one month ago

Donald does not connect the transaction. He is only interesting in what he has done in Israel with Netanyahu on Israel's behalf (likely per some private discussion on what it will take to cause the American Jewish voters t forsake the Democratic Party).  Listen! Donald is quite good at being diabolical and deceitful. Watch and "See the Man"!

Whatever Donald thought would happen for him which did not manifest in early polling. Now he is hauling out 'Step 2' thing: Come out in public, with cameras rolling and 'hot,' and beg for American Jews (even a small percentage) to straight up leave the Democratic Party and its policies. He is publicly 'pouting' in earshot of the cameras, because he feels the Netanyahu "transaction" did not yield him a fair return.

Trump ain't too proud to beg - you can see it if you know, learn, what to look for! He will take any American Jews votes he can by saying anything he needs to! Watch Out! It's all transactional with this guy!

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.2.1  Raven Wing  replied to  CB @2.2    one month ago

While Bibi and a few those like him are willing to sell their souls to the Devil for Trumps 'Divine" blessing, the large majority of the Jewish people are not buying into his BS. 

Although Trump is eating up the presumption that the people of Israel think he is the second coming of God, 

Less than a day after President Donald Trump  outraged many members of the Jewish community  for his comments about their loyalty, he tweeted out the claim that Israeli Jews view him as the "second coming of God." 

In a series of tweets Wednesday morning, Mr. Trump quoted conservative radio host and known conspiracy theorist Wayne Allyn Root , who practically declared the president the Messiah during his show Tuesday night. 

Quoting Root's tweet, Mr. Trump shared the message that he is "the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world," that "the Jewish people in Israel love him like he's the King of Israel" and even that "They love him like he is the second coming of God." 

The majority of Jewish people here in America, Israel and around the world know Trump is more the Right Hand of the Devil than anything close to God, there are some, like in all types of people, who will gladly buy such lies. 

And some will only buy into it because of the simple fact that Trump now has a R in front of his name instead of a D. 

 
 
 
CB
2.2.2  CB   replied to  Raven Wing @2.2.1    one month ago

True. Trump would be funny if he was not so serious. Sadly, I am starting to get a picture in my mind that Donald J. Trump has never encountered a version of himself that he would like to change.

Here's something I learnt as of today: The Leader of Denmark called a plan of Trump's ,"Absurd."

Did you see it?  It hurt Donald's feelings. Donald "Greenland" Trump. Has a nice ring to it.

Where is that online viral maker when we need it? Get that to the media, folks! Denmark 'broke' Donald's face!

Denmark embarrassed the world's most arrogant man. Old for shame. The world premier real estate deal-maker is failing at getting the deal in to the starting block, "bigly"!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

I will give an opinion on this.  Unfortunately a lot of American Jews have forgotten the words "NEVER FORGET".

 
 
 
Willjay9
3.1  Willjay9  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    one month ago

Why should they need to remember?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Willjay9 @3.1    one month ago

Obviously you could use a lesson about the Holocaust, even if you are not a denier of it anyway.

When I was a little kid during WWII, I learned the song that the desperate concentration camp prisoners used to sing.  They sang it in Yiddish, which was the language mostly used by the Jews of Europe. In Yiddish, the title was (and Enoch can correct me if I'm not accurate) "Vee Ahind Zolech Gayen?", translated as "Where Can I Go?"

Tell me where can I go?
There's no place I can see
Where to go, where to go
Every door is closed to me
To the left to the right
It's the same in every land
There is no place to go
And it's me who should know
Won't you please understand?

Throughout the centuries, throughout the millenia, Jews have been persecuted.  Unfortunately the progressive American Jews of today have forgotten that many times over the millenia there has been no place for them to go where there would be safe.  Today, the "progressive" Jews of America have FORGOTTEN the lessons learned from the Holocaust, and from their own history.  As Santayana said: Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it."

Example:  The S.S. St. Louis.

Example:  The British turning away Jewish Holocaust refugees from Israel because Arab oil was more important to them than Jews' well-being.

Example:  The Jews whose ancestors had lived there for centuries being forced out of Arab countries - as many as the ORIGINAL (and in my opinion ONLY GENUINE) Arab refugees from Israel.

NEVER FORGET.     NEVER FORGET.     NEVER FORGET.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.1    one month ago

Buzz,

What do you know about never forgetting? How many of your family members died in the camps? Half of my mom's family did. Don't lecture if you haven't been there, while living in a communist country that has a terrible record of human rights violations. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.2    one month ago

We don't get a medal for having family that suffered because of the Holocaust.  The Jewish people as a whole lost because of the Holocaust.  I grew up with it - as a child I lived through WWII and at "after-school" school, I was inundated plenty with it.

And don't lecture me about living in a Communist country when you live in a country where you can't walk down the street unafraid of being shot.  Look at what happened in Times Square when a motorcycle backfired.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.3    one month ago

Buzz,

I am calling BS and totally insulting on that comment. My Grandmother, Grandfather, aunt, mom and brother barely made it out alive from living in the camps. Was yours? Did you lose two siblings?  They did. My Grandfather lost his only sister and 4 children in Auschwitz. Don't you dare put yourself in their shoes. Be damn glad you were safe and sound watching newsreels of what was going on there. 

And don't lecture me about living in a Communist country when you live in a country where you can't walk down the street unafraid of being shot.  Look at what happened in Times Square when a motorcycle backfired.

You chose to live there. And I feel bad that our gun laws have caused such a reaction, but hey people don't disappear, never to be seen again, so I will take a momentary mayhem. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.4    one month ago

I am happy that so many relatives of yours were able to escape what they will NEVER FORGET, and am saddened by those of your family that did not make it.  My family suffered differently.  They suffered the pogroms. They suffered the loss of their family businesses, were declared bourgeois. My father, when it was discovered he was bourgeois at a school he was beaten and thrown out, and then escaped Russia, emigrated to Canada with 13 cents in his pocket.  Yes, we were lucky, luckier than your family, but that doesn't mean I should have less right to not forget the persecution of the Jews.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.5    one month ago

Buzz,

That story is most Jews story that came to either the US or Canada. It is not death camps and death marches. What I am saying is that there is a great difference between saying never forget while being removed from it, and lecturing people who actually lived through it. 

 
 
 
 
Willjay9
3.1.8  Willjay9  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.1    one month ago

Ok?!....so never forget the Holocaust?! They should also remember that it was people who's ideology mimiced the people marching with tiki torches in Charlottesville......you know the same people Trump said were good people....she should remember that too!

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.9  MUVA  replied to  Willjay9 @3.1.8    one month ago

That is a proven lie.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @3.1.9    one month ago

Disprove it then MUVA.  You can't.  

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.11  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.10    one month ago

It has been proven over and over it is a lie that has been repeated by dumbass leftist.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @3.1.11    one month ago

Disprove it then MUVA.  You can't.  

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.13  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.12    one month ago

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lib50
3.1.15  lib50  replied to  MUVA @3.1.9    one month ago

You say its a proven lie but can't prove it, meantime the entire world knows what Trump said about neo-nazis and white supremacists because we heard him say it.   When Trump tickles his base, he purposefully provokes the racists with his words. They hear him loud and clear.  

https://www.adl.org/blog/white-supremacists-extremists-celebrate-president-trumps-latest-racist-tweets

Neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin was apparently thrilled by the tweets, posting on his popular Daily Stormer website: “Man, President Trump’s Twitter account has been pure fire lately. This might be the funniest thing he’s ever tweeted. This is the kind of WHITE NATIONALISM we elected him for. And we’re obviously seeing it only because there’s another election coming up. But I’ll tell you, even knowing that, it still feels so good.”

Anglin also emphasized the political implications of Mr. Trump telling people of color to “go back” to their countries: “This is what elected Trump and this is what will always be the best way for him to gain support,” and underscored the importance of these comments being directed at U.S. citizens, particularly Rep. Pressley, who was born in Cincinnati: “So this is not some half-assed anti-immigrant white nationalism. Trump is literally telling American blacks to go back to Africa.”

Meanwhile, alt right figurehead   Richard Spencer   acknowledged the appeal of the President’s tweets to a range of alt right activists, but also appeared to warn that Trump was bound to disappoint white supremacists (again).
 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.4    one month ago
Be damn glad you were safe and sound watching newsreels of what was going on there. 

The news of the atrocities of the Holocaust weren't shown until after Germany surrendered. People may have been watching newsreels during WWII but they didn't know anything about the Holocaust until much later.

There are several videos available on Amazon Prime that show the liberation of the camps. The narrator in the one about the liberation of Bergen-Belsen even states that the footage was the first ever to come out of Germany. That's when the Allies realized what had been going on. There were plenty of rumors but it wasn't proven until the camps were actually liberated.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.16    one month ago

I wish that was true, but it came out that the allies did know about the camps 2 years before liberation:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html

But you are right, the news reels came after liberation. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.18  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.17    one month ago

Then I was half right. The Allied forces knew but the rest of the world didn't know until the saw the newsreels.

Why would the Allies keep it a secret?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.19  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.18    one month ago

Got me, but it is a pretty sad commentary. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.20  KDMichigan  replied to  MUVA @3.1.13    one month ago

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Paula Bartholomew
4  Paula Bartholomew    one month ago

Whatever few Jewish people are still part of this ahole's base after this should be ashamed of themselves.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4    one month ago

Yeah, it's better to stand with Sanders and The Squad and BDS and destroy Israel.  What benefit is Israel to America and the rest of the people of the world anyway, eh?

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    one month ago

There is no requirement for American Jews to choose between A & B or C & D.

BDS is a joke; it has caused Israel's exports to be be more diversified and increase every year since the boycott was announced.

Meantime the Palestinians themselves are hurt economically.

Israel will not be destroyed because of a handful of Congressmen who bad mouth her.

She has plenty of Knesset members who do the same or worse every year...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.1    one month ago

SP,

They may be a joke economically but they have not on college campuses. They spread a false narrative of the history and the kids don't look further than their noses. BDS real intention is the destruction of Israel, and the youth are the ones that are eating the message. 

Israel is not perfect, but it is not what BDS says they are either.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.2    one month ago

Finally you've admitted what is happening on American, and I very much regret, Canadian campuses as well.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.3    one month ago

Buzz,

Don't give me finally I admit what is going on. I never denied it. What I have said is that it isn't all campus and it's not as pervasive as you make it sound. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.3    one month ago

Absolutely.

Communists, Democrats, Republicans, BDS, ecowarriors, ROTC, Evangelists, Silicon Valley and every flavor of social justice or injustice warrior is out there on college campuses vying for the minds and souls of our students...

Trump even signed an Executive Order guaranteeing free speech on college campuses five months ago.  So maybe he isn't all that worried about BDS either.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2  Tessylo  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4    one month ago

I would say that anyone who votes for this 'president' has a total lack of knowledge about anything and a great disloyalty to the US.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.2.1  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @4.2    one month ago

I'm voting for him there is no way in hell I'm voting for a leftist and that is all the democrats are running.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @4.2.1    one month ago

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igknorantzrulz
5  igknorantzrulz    one month ago

Trump,

the ignorance that just can't stop.

 
 
 
Kavika
6  Kavika     one month ago
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @6    one month ago

Of course it figures that would be from Ha'aretz, a newspaper as left wing as 'The Squad'.  However, personally, I think Trump should have kept his mouth shut because I can fully understand why Jews who are loyal citizens of the USA, and surely the vast majority are loyal citizens, would be angered by what he said.   In my opinion, the reason he should have kept his mouth shut is because those two devout anti-Semites are doing quite a good job of hanging themselves without his help.

 
 
 
Kavika
6.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1    one month ago
Of course it figures that would be from Ha'aretz, a newspaper as left wing as 'The Squad'. 

So all of the organizations mentioned in the article are left-wing as 'The Squad?

You're right, he should keep his mouth shut.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1    one month ago

Buzz,

Jpost coverage pretty much agrees with Ha'aretz.

https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Trump-Jews-voting-for-democrats-show-lack-of-knowledge-or-great-disloyalty-599207

How is that comment different than being called "deplorable"? In fact, I would say it's worse since he is basically calling them traitors. 

How about setting up Jewish Democrats as targets for nationalist hate?

Do Jews really need it coming from the far left and the far right?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1    one month ago

Can American voters who are Jewish please be allowed to think for themselves? 

This whole thing is blown way out of proportion. You are in fricking China. What do you know about the Democrats in America?  Talib and Omar and AOC and the other one are not the leaders of the Democratic Party, not even close.  The right wing media ( and Trump)is making them celebrities for the purpose of running them down. 

You have so much tunnel vision for Israel that you cant see the forest for the trees. These two women are not going to destroy Israel, believe me. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @6.1.1    one month ago
"So all of the organizations mentioned in the article are left-wing as 'The Squad?"

Yes.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.2    one month ago
"Jpost coverage pretty much agrees with Ha'aretz."

I didn't disagree with Ha'aretz, I merely pointed out their bias.  In fact I said that Trump should have kept his mouth shut.  IMO the two congresswomen are doing a good job hanging themselves without his help and if the Democrat Party defends them they'll hang with them, so Trump should have kept his mouth shut.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.4    one month ago

Buzz,

The AJC is not left or right and they have a big issue with it.

 
 
 
Kavika
6.1.7  Kavika   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.4    one month ago
Yes.

Well, that settles it then...They are all disloyal/traitors.../s

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.5    one month ago

This issue is not about Israel. Get a grip.   It is about Trump trying to intimidate voters in the United States of America. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    one month ago

Well that and trump is a white nationalist. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.3    one month ago
"These two women are not going to destroy Israel, believe me."

I never thought they would be capable of it.  It's people who support them who will do damage to an American ally, as been said, the biggest American aircraft carrier in the world sitting there in the Middle East without needing one American soldier on board.

"You have so much tunnel vision for Israel that you cant see the forest for the trees."

LOL. YOU accuse ME of tunnel vision.  It would be even more hilarious if YOU had used the word "obsession".

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @6.1.7    one month ago

Why are you putting words in my mouth?  I never said any Jewish organization was disloyal to the USA.  Maybe Trump did, and I do not support what he said.  That is what those who are making the accusations in the seed are trying to do to whip up partisan anger. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1.12  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    one month ago
"It is about Trump trying to intimidate voters in the United States of America."

I SAID it was a mistake for him to do that.  Hey, you criticize me even when I AGREE with you.

 
 
 
Kavika
6.1.13  Kavika   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.11    one month ago

I didn't put any words in your mouth Buzz. My original point is that the vast majority of Jewish organizations condemn Trumps comment. Both the left and the right. 

Did you not see the /s after my comment?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @6.1.13    one month ago

Yes, I saw the /s, and how do you know it is the vast majority of Jewish organizations?  Have they all been polled?

 
 
 
Kavika
6.1.15  Kavika   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.14    one month ago

All of the Jewish organizations, except one, that have commented on Trump's comment have condemned it. 

I'm done with this conversation. You can believe what ever you choose

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.2    one month ago

The Jews don't have anything coming from the Left or Far Left.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.10    one month ago

From my seeded article about the 'president's' latest rant and lies against Talib

“American Jews see through Trump’s lies,” Emily Mayer, IfNotNow’s spokeswoman, said in a statement to Yahoo News. “We watched as his 2016 campaign regularly used anti-Semitic tropes and inspired the rise of white nationalism. We’re still watching as he spews anti-Semitic and anti-immigrant rhetoric from the Oval Office, inspiring mass violence — and putting so many Americans, including our community, in real danger.

“Rashida has been one of the strongest allies of the Jewish people,” Mayer added. “Trump is once again cynically weaponizing our community’s pain to brush aside legitimate criticism of Israel’s human rights violations.”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.6    one month ago
The AJC is not left or right and they have a big issue with it.

The President certainly could have used different words. He will be skewered by the msm over it and it will get far more news time than it deserves. In the end most people know what he was trying to say. We will vote for him again!

Did he really say he was the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world, not just America????  LOL, Well I never said he was modest!

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.18    one month ago

He's always writing checks that his big fat stinky ass can't cover.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.20  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.19    one month ago

What does that mean?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.18    one month ago

Vic,

That is not just a passing comment. It's one of those comments that have plagued Jews for centuries and has been source of being hated. He should have consulted with his son in law before saying it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.22  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.21    one month ago
It's one of those comments that have plagued Jews for centuries and has been source of being hated.

It does promote a stereotype, that Jews have a dual loyalty. The same stereotype promoted by Omar & Tlaib.  The difference is the President did it through blunder and the two congresswomen did it with hate based intent.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.21    one month ago

Kushner is as feckless as his wife

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.22    one month ago

Blunder?  A mistake? 

Sounds like some will excuse every bit of shit that falls out of that blundering asshole's mouth.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.25  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.21    one month ago

As we all know, the shooter at the Pittsburgh synagogue wrote that he was motivated to kill by Jews assistance to and approval of immigrants from the south of the border.  Those Jews , in the shooters mind for sure, were all "liberals" or "progressives". When the president of the United States says something that questions the loyalty of American Jews it can only feed into the deranged mindset of people like the Pittsburgh killer, people who are already prone to accepting hate filled ideas from the right. 

Trump is extremely reckless to say such things. Just in the past week authorities have disrupted murderous intentions on the part of a few anti-semite white nationalists. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.26  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.22    one month ago
It does promote a stereotype, that Jews have a dual loyalty. The same stereotype promoted by Omar & Tlaib.  The difference is the President did it through blunder and the two congresswomen did it with hate based intent.

Vic,

You are right about those two. They are hateful bigots. But Trump's comment was no blunder. It was about votes.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.1.27  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.18    one month ago
The President certainly could have used different words. He will be skewered by the msm over it and it will get far more news time than it deserves. In the end most people know what he was trying to say.

I find it rather sad that Trump supporters will give this inept President so much latitude when he makes clearly offensive statements, but attacked our last President mercilessly if he ever made any comment that even hinted at being offensive. After Obama said "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." there weren't any conservatives saying "Well, the President could have used different words...". Nope, it was war even though Obama certainly wasn't intending to be offensive as our current President definitely is by calling any Jews who vote Democrat "disloyal" traitors to Israel and the US.

The three freshman congresswomen do not represent the Democrat party, they represent their own districts and those who voted for them. I've never voted for any of them and neither have millions of other Democrat voters. We will see if they stick around for long as several have stuck their feet in their mouths repeating old anti-Semitic tropes. But they definitely do NOT represent the Democrat party, that is simply a massive stinking lie put forth by the king of falsehoods, dishonest dumb-shit Donald.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.28  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.17    one month ago
Rashida has been Rashida has been one of the strongest allies of the Jewish people,” Mayer added. “Trump is once again cynically weaponizing our community’s pain to brush aside legitimate criticism of Israel’s human rights violations.”,” Mayer added. “Trump is once again cynically weaponizing our community’s pain to brush aside legitimate criticism of Israel’s human rights violations.”

Prove that. How has she been Rashida has been one of the strongest allies of the Jewish people,” 

And why do we never talk about the massive human rights violations going on in the Arab world? Hey, I hear the West Bank is banning all gay activities. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.28    one month ago

Why don't you ask Emily Mayer, IfNotNow's spokeperson, that question Perrie?

Why are you asking me about the Arab world?

You're not usually so, I don't know what the word is, but I don't appreciate it.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.30  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.29    one month ago

Tess,

I am asking you that question since it was you who has been commenting.

And my question about the arab world is to show how Israel is being held to a whole different standard. 

You're not usually so, I don't know what the word is, but I don't appreciate it.  

I haven't been anything to you. I asked you a few polite questions. I'm the one that things are being implied about ( and not by you). 

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.31  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.30    one month ago

I can't speak for Ms. Mayer who I cited

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.32  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.30    one month ago

And I have been polite to you in return.  I don't agree that Talib and Omar are anti-semitic and hate jews.

Again, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.33  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.32    one month ago

Tess,

Have I ever said otherwise?

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.34  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.4    one month ago

Wow! The Anti-Defamation League are left-wing as 'The Squad'.

Thanks for the revelation Buzz. /s

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.35  Dulay  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.30    one month ago
And my question about the arab world is to show how Israel is being held to a whole different standard.

Yes, Israel IS being held to a whole different standard. As a ALLY, who we have supported for decades with BILLIONS in military and economic aid, Israel SHOULD meet a 'whole different standard' than the 'Arab world'. 

As for a the 'Arab world', the only country we engage with open hands and wallets is Saudi Arabia. Our current government holds them to NO standard whatsoever. Our citizens have and ARE trying to do so. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.36  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @6.1.35    one month ago
Yes, Israel IS being held to a whole different standard. As a ALLY, who we have supported for decades with BILLIONS in military and economic aid, Israel SHOULD meet a 'whole different standard' than the 'Arab world'.

Holding Israel to a different standard than what you expect from others is the epitome of anti-Semitism.

WHY should Israel be held to a different standard?

I believe Israel has proved itself regarding LGBQT rights, especially in stark contrast to many Arab nations, and in particular the Palestinians, who just exhibited their special brand of tolerance.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.37  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.36    one month ago
and in particular the Palestinians, who just exhibited their special brand of tolerance.

Why do they consistently have short memories. Must be for purposeful reasons !jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.38  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.37    one month ago
Why do they consistently have short memories. Must be for purposeful reasons !

Because the real truth doesn't jibe with their perceptions of the truth.

Easier to forget than acknowledge they MIGHT have been wrong about anything.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.39  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.36    one month ago
Holding Israel to a different standard than what you expect from others is the epitome of anti-Semitism.

Bullshit. 

WHY should Israel be held to a different standard?

You block quoted the reason I already gave. Read it again. 

I believe Israel has proved itself regarding LGBQT rights, especially in stark contrast to many Arab nations, and in particular the Palestinians, who just exhibited their special brand of tolerance.

The Israelis were drug kicking and screaming to recognize LGBT rights, just like the US was.

It's a false equivalency to compare the Israelis to the Arabs or the Palestinians in particular. Historical modernity matters in this instance. There are quite a few modern  'Western' nations, most from the former Soviet Union, that we could compare to Isreal and they fall far short of the acceptance that Israel has moved toward. Russia to name one. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.40  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @6.1.39    4 weeks ago
Bullshit.

Nope--it actually IS one part of the definition.

International Definition of Antisemitism
Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.
Manifestations might include the targeting of the State of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that levelled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.
Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
Making mendacious, dehumanising, demonising, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination (e.g. by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour).
Applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g. claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterise Israel or Israelis.
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the s

You block quoted the reason I already gave. Read it again.

Reading tripe for a second time doesn't improve it.

The Israelis were drug kicking and screaming to recognize LGBT rights, just like the US was.

The point you keep missing (I suspect deliberately) is that they ARE more tolerant and inclusive than any Arab nation. Russia doesn't have a thing to do with it. This is strictly about Israel and Arab countries.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.41  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.40    4 weeks ago
Applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

This thread hasn't been about 'other democratic nations', it's been comparing Israel and the Arab world. You admit as much in the last sentence of your comment.  

Reading tripe for a second time doesn't improve it.

Yet you quoted it and replied to it and STILL didn't understand what I said. 

The point you keep missing (I suspect deliberately) is that they ARE more tolerant and inclusive than any Arab nation.

Is that supposed to be an achievement or a standard to look up to? 

Russia doesn't have a thing to do with it. This is strictly about Israel and Arab countries.

Oh I forgot, nuance eludes you. My bad. 

 
 
 
CB
6.1.42  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.40    4 weeks ago
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Texan1211, Donald Trump backed into this anti-semitism definition from your list @6.1.40. Do you agree or disagree based on the fact.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.43  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @6.1.41    4 weeks ago
This thread hasn't been about 'other democratic nations', it's been comparing Israel and the Arab world. You admit as much in the last sentence of your comment.

You can deny it or pussyfoot around it, but you are applying a different standard to Israel than you do other countries.

Yet you quoted it and replied to it and STILL didn't understand what I said.

Read it, understood it, quoted it, and dismissed it for the tripe it is.

Is that supposed to be an achievement or a standard to look up to?

It would be one hell of a good place to start for the PA.

Oh I forgot, nuance eludes you. My bad.

jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif Congrats. You managed to get Russia into a sentence. Big whoop!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.44  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.42    4 weeks ago
Texan1211, Donald Trump backed into this anti-semitism definition from your list @6.1.40. Do you agree or disagree based on the fact.

I can quote what Trump said to you, but I can't understand it for you.

 
 
 
CB
6.1.45  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.44    4 weeks ago

Trump backed into -This:

“I think that if you vote for a Democrat you are very, very disloyal to Israel and to the Jewish people,” Trump told reporters as he left the White House for a speech to a veterans group in Kentucky.

Or Trump backed into - That:

Donald J. Trump Verified account @ realDonaldTrump
“Thank you to Wayne Allyn Root for the very nice words. “President Trump is the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world, not just America, he is the best President for Israel in the history of the world...and the Jewish people in Israel love him....

Or Trump backed into - Both?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.46  igknorantzrulz  replied to  CB @6.1.45    4 weeks ago
Or Trump backed into - Both?

hopefully , he is backed into Bubba and Dwayne 

for a frolicking jailhouse threesome, with

Trumpp being the orange meat in the middle

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.47  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.43    4 weeks ago
You can deny it or pussyfoot around it, but you are applying a different standard to Israel than you do other countries.

You can deny it or pussyfoot around it, but you refuse to hold Israel to the SAME standard than you do to other Democratic nations.

It would be one hell of a good place to start for the PA.

So you want the WB to be the most tolerant and inclusive of all of the Arab nations. Sounds like you want to treat the PA with different standards than the other Arab nations...

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.48  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @6.1.47    4 weeks ago
You can deny it or pussyfoot around it, but you refuse to hold Israel to the SAME standard than you do to other Democratic nations.

Well, that statement is a fucking lie, but you go right ahead and believe whatever tripe you want.

So you want the WB to be the most tolerant and inclusive of all of the Arab nations. Sounds like you want to treat the PA with different standards than the other Arab nations...

Again, (sigh*) another fucking lie.

I want all nations to treat people equally. Sorry you seem to have a problem with that, but I don't give a damn what your problems are.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago
"These two women are not going to destroy Israel, believe me."

I never thought they would be capable of it.  It's people who support them who will do damage to an American ally, as been said, the biggest American aircraft carrier in the world sitting there in the Middle East without needing one American soldier on board.

"You have so much tunnel vision for Israel that you cant see the forest for the trees."

LOL. YOU accuse ME of tunnel vision.  It would be even more hilarious if YOU had used the word "obsession".

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    one month ago

You are out of touch with American politics, that has been made quite clear over the past few years by your preposterous fawning over Trump. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    one month ago

I don't fawn over Trump.  The only thing that he has done that has any meaning for me is his support for Israel.  [Deleted]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.1.1    one month ago

Buzz I dont need to support Trump in order to support Israel, why do you?

You have completely aligned yourself with the evangelicals in the US who support Trump (and Israel) because they think he will bring about the end of times in Jerusalem according to bible prophecy.   That should scare you. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.2    one month ago
"Buzz I dont need to support Trump in order to support Israel, why do you?"

[Deleted]  I support what he has done.  I don't NEED to support Trump.  I support his move of the Embassy to Jerusalem, which was promised by previous Presidents who broke their promises.  I support his agreement that the Golan Heights, won in a defensive war against Syria, should be annexed by Israel.  I once stood at the crest of the Golan Heights overlooking Israel so I understand their importance to Israel's security.  Did you?  I do NOT support Trump.  I support THOSE things that he has done.  You said you do, so why are you any different than me?  I don't give a damn what the Evangelicals say or do - I don't agree with their prediction, but if are supportive of Israel, so be it.

 
 
 
bbl-1
8  bbl-1    one month ago

"Trump accuses."  Could have let it go at that.

If you're not a Trumper you're disloyal---bottom line.

Heinrich Heydrich couldn't have said it better.

 
 
 
luther28
9  luther28    one month ago

"Donald Trump Accuses Jews Who Vote Democrat of 'A Total Lack of Knowledge or Great Disloyalty"

Well this may fall on the shoulders of Mr. Trumps advisors for failing to advise him that the State of Israel is not actually one of our States but a sovereign Country.

I believe all citizens first loyalties should lie with their own Country of citizenship, not a Country of origin. While I support Israel to a degree, until it becomes a part of the United States it is only to a degree. 

America 1st? Hmmmmmmmm.

 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
9.1  Raven Wing  replied to  luther28 @9    one month ago
America 1st? Hmmmmmmmm.

Someone needs to remind Ivanka of that statement by her Father. Or does that mean everyone else but her? Daddums won't hold her to his rallying cry.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Obviously the President believes that most American Jews are voting against their own interests. I would agree. We have at least two anti-Semites serving in the House of representatives. Trying to spin those two facts is never going to work, but try they will.

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @10    one month ago
'Obviously the President believes that most American Jews are voting against their own interests.' 

Because they won't vote for this racist 'president'?  

Your agreement with the 'president' doesn't mean bupkis.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @10.1    one month ago
Because they won't vote for this racist 'president'?  

The New York Times new narrative! They are going to build their newsroom around selling just that. Let's see if it works.

 
 
 
lady in black
10.2  lady in black  replied to  Vic Eldred @10    one month ago

Why would they vote for the darling of white supremacists who chant "Jews will not replace us" and the fact that he doesn't say anything to dissuade his "fine people".  Deporables/farmers, etc. all have voted against their own interests.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  lady in black @10.2    one month ago
Deporables/

The people hear ya and they get it now. It's getting very crowded over here in the GOP tent!

Thank You

 
 
 
lady in black
10.2.2  lady in black  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2.1    one month ago

Lol, you think so, with low life white supremacists...they must be so proud to include those degenerates.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  lady in black @10.2.2    one month ago

Hillary was right but there are way more deplorables than we realized.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.2.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @10.2.3    one month ago
Hillary was right but there are way more deplorables than we realized.  

About 75% of the population.

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2.4    one month ago

More like 31% of the population.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
10.2.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2.4    one month ago
About 75% of the population.

Then why has Trumps approval ratings been stuck between 39-44%? He's never ever broken the 50% approval polling average and even the FOX polls show him losing to most of the Democrat front runners by double digits. He might have 75% of the old Republican party in his pocket, but its just patently false to claim he has 75% of Americans support, that's a laughable lie. The vast majority of Jewish Americans, black Americans, Muslim Americans, Native Americans, and virtually every other minority along with about half of the white American population, vote Democrat. 10 million more votes were cast for Democrats than for Republicans in 2018, it wasn't even close. Trump is a monumental loser who pretends all of his losses are actually wins and many of his half wit supporters are so fricking gullible and ill-informed they believe him. If they're not gullible, they likely fall into two categories, those who don't care that Trumps a bigot and loser, they just want their tax cuts, or those in the large group of white nationalists, white supremacists, KKK members and wannabe Nazis who support him because they believe Trump embodies and supports their vile supremacist ideology.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
10.2.7  KDMichigan  replied to  lady in black @10.2.2    one month ago
Lol, you think so, with low life white supremacists

Like the ones that promoted Hillary, that kind? 

 
 
 
lady in black
10.2.8  lady in black  replied to  KDMichigan @10.2.7    one month ago

No, the ones who are trump's fine people, you know the ones that Jews will not replace them

 
 
 
MrFrost
10.2.9  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @10.2.7    one month ago
Like the ones that promoted Hillary, that kind? 

512

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.2.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.2.6    one month ago
Then why has Trumps approval ratings been stuck between 39-44%?

Do you believe that?

He's never ever broken the 50% approval polling average and even the FOX polls show him losing to most of the Democrat front runners by double digits

Then you have no worries, right? You hang onto that thought.

The vast majority of Jewish Americans, black Americans, Muslim Americans, Native Americans, and virtually every other minority along with about half of the white American population, vote Democrat.

I say your'e wrong on that. You may have convinced those groups to vote for you, but Obama & Hillary and just about every democratic presidential candidate has driven the "half the white population" you refer to away!  They got it now! You won't get the minimum of 39% white vote you need to win!  That is the 75% I was talking about - white voters! The voters your party called "clingers" & "deplorables!" They are threw being the foil for democrats to convince every "other" to get in line and vote for your horrid policies. The democratic party has shown nothing but contempt for the American people, even it's base, which it obviously thinks is stupid! They are done!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
10.2.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2.10    one month ago
The democratic party has shown nothing but contempt for the American people,

We are the American people. America is a diverse thriving nation of immigrants and we are growing more diverse every year and the white supremacist fuck wads will never stop that from happening no matter how much they gnash their teeth or shoot up synagogues, El Paso Walmart's or black Churches.

Millions more vote Democrat than Republican, it's just a fact. 3 million more voted Democrat than Republican in 2016 and 10 million more voted Democrat in 2018. Trump won the electoral vote by just 110,000 total votes spread out over three States. And if you imagine that 61% of the white population makes up 75% of voters, well, I don't think they have a cure for that kind of insanity.

I'm sure all the white nationalists and worthless piece of shit KKK members and tiki torch Nazis are praying to their savior Vladimir Putin to rescue their Fuehrer in the upcoming election, but it won't help this time. The Russian active measures deployed against us in 2016 will not be successful in 2020 no matter how much the white nationalists re-tweet the Russian bots bullshit memes and pile of lies.

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.2.6    one month ago

Someone posted a Zogby poll (laughable) about how this 'president' had so much black American support, Latinas, Hispanics, etc., etc., etc., total rubbish.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2.10    one month ago

They cling bitterly to their ignorance and their arrogance and their bibles and their guns.  

 
 
 
CB
10.2.14  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2.1    one month ago

Sounds like the GOP tent is "conflicted."

"Deplorables." Really now? The GOP which has decided to take on EVERYBODY ELSE in this nation and across the planet wants us to believe they are 'wrecked' by a word? Give. Me. A. Break.

 
 
 
CB
10.2.15  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2.4    one month ago

Now we know that some conservatives own real estate in the alternative reality Donald is promulgating and not just work there: The Job has begun A Way of Life!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.2.16  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @10.2.14    one month ago
Sounds like the GOP tent is "conflicted."

The word is UNIFIED and thanks again for sending all the evil whites over. They won't forget!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
10.2.17  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2.16    one month ago
thanks again for sending all the evil whites over

So you're happy with the lack of diversity within the Republican party? That fact makes you feel thankful?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.2.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.2.17    one month ago
So you're happy with the lack of diversity within the Republican party?

It's more diverse than you think. I think you'll be surprised by the next election. 

 
 
 
CB
10.2.19  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2.10    one month ago

Wow! What a delusion. As promised, a Trump reelection season, is going to be the worse election season in U.S. history. Democrats, lose the 'tenderness,' Donald Trump will be bringing his best (brass-knuckled) lies near the end. In the meantime, this is the "C" team lining up to soften up the field of play.

Get ready. Hit hard. Bust the lies in the face with HARD FACTS!

Trump surrogates are not interested in facts, but facts are what you will need to 'suture-up' (the onlookers, readers, and Independent voters) the public.

 
 
 
CB
10.2.20  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2.16    one month ago

I know you did not try it with me. You can't speak for White people, you can't speak for Church people, you can't speak for Black people, you can't do it for Hispanics, and don't even pretend to speak for the LGBTQ community (Mike Pence- "the back-up"). You can't do it for Children, you can't speak for the Environment, and your 'coin' is tainted and corrupted by alienation.

No one is going to concede one individual voter to the GOP. Since the GOP party plans to keep separating itself from the truth even babies will mock it in ads and commercials as they 'mouth' the lies. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @10    one month ago
We have at least two anti-Semites serving in the House of representatives.

Yes, we do Vic. I am sure both parties have anti-Semites within them. I would not define any party by 2 vocal shrews. 

And for the record, I think that Hillary making that deplorable remark was also a huge mistake.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.3    one month ago
Hillary making that deplorable remark was also a huge mistake.

Ever heard this sort of logic?

All Trump supporters are not racist, but all racists are Trump supporters.  There is more than a kernel of truth to that. 

Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong, other than being too honest. 

 
 
 
cms5
10.3.2  cms5  replied to  JohnRussell @10.3.1    one month ago
All Trump supporters are not racist, but all racists are Trump supporters.

There are many Dems that are racists as well, John, so your statement is false.

Ms. Clinton was 'honest'...as many are...they think that their party is without faults.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.3.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @10.3.1    one month ago

There are racists and bigots in both parties. No one gets a pass. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @10.3.1    one month ago
but all racists are Trump supporters.

Nothin quite like such a sweeping generalization there!

 
 
 
Kathleen
10.3.5  Kathleen  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.3.3    one month ago

Amen.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
10.3.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @10.3.4    one month ago

hey Tex,

it was an EXAMPLE, of some peoples

logic. He should have put it in quotes, but you get his drift, and this is your argument...

C'mon Tex

i think you're brighter than that,

but,

i could be making a "sweeping generalization" 

here, there,

hell,

everywhere! 

 Don't ya think ?   Note: Not an actual question

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.3.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.3.3    one month ago
There are racists and bigots in both parties. 

Do you seriously think that there are as many racists outside Trump's fold as there are inside?  I know you are smarter than that. 

 
 
 
CB
10.3.8  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.3.3    one month ago

I am going to agree with that. However, I wish to point out that racism has definite roots and activities associated with it. Usually with someone ending up emotionally and/or physically harmed at the end of it. Today, conservatives are attempting to neutralize and "empty out" the word itself of its obscene content. I will not be a party to it. When I see a bigot or racists - no matter who it is - I will tell that one they stink of racism.

It is plainly true that all racists and racism is not created equal! Right about now, we need to get rid of the politically active racists (no matter who they are once they are discerned) in our midst!

I even tell my dear Beloved that when SHE goes off on "Those foreigners do. . . ." I tell her she came here as a foreigner too.  She has got to let that go even in her old age!

 
 
 
CB
10.4  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @10    one month ago
Obviously the President believes that most American Jews are voting against their own interests.

Who are you attempting to manipulate, Vic Eldred? Donald Trump made an open attempt to cause American Jews to choose a side. To go with the 'head' or stay with the 'tail.' Of all the people in this 'sorted' and 'twisted' game he is trying it on Jewish people?

Have you no shame, Donald?

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.4.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @10.4    one month ago
Who are you attempting to manipulate, Vic Eldred? Donald Trump made an open attempt to cause American Jews to choose a side.

gee, that sounds exactly like every politician ever.

But let's ramp up the hyperbole and all pretend that Trump is the very first politician to want constituents to pick a side.

Oh NO! The SKY IS FALLING!! HELP!! HELP!!!!!!

 
 
 
CB
10.4.2  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @10.4.1    one month ago

Well, so far, Donald has seeded, and water, and we will have to hold position to see if Trump has the 'balls' to tweet "American Jews go home."

What do you bet the 'big fhit' talker will kick it up another notch?

Y'all can play games with people's emotions - just throw it out there; try not to yelp when people bite back.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.4.3  Texan1211  replied to  CB @10.4.2    one month ago

You will have to make more sense than that.

I am not fluent in babble.

 
 
 
CB
10.4.4  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @10.4.3    one month ago

Yeah. I kinda get a great impression you are not fluent in Trump either. Come on show us how unbiased you can be:

Criticize Trump. Go ahead. One moment. . . okay, we're ready now. Please proceed Texan1211. . . let 'one' rip. (We're speak up for you when Security comes for your desk and boxes up your files.)

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.4.5  Texan1211  replied to  CB @10.4.4    one month ago

Wel, to start with, your post is marginally better than the last one.

I HAVE criticized Trump. I wish he didn't say some of the things he has.

But just because I don't get all hysterical and think the world is about to end, you think I am 100% for Trump and everything he does or says.

And no, I am not fluent in Trump, either.

Apparently you think you are.

Kudos.

 
 
 
CB
10.4.6  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @10.4.5    one month ago
I wish he didn't say some of the things he has.

Yes. Yes. Don't drag. Like what? Give.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.4.7  Texan1211  replied to  CB @10.4.6    one month ago

Well, I could do without the name calling.

I wish he had never said anything about any proposed Muslim ban, because the left kept bringing it up when the travel restrictions did not ban Muslims.

I wish he hadn't mentioned deficits, because no President has the power to stop them without considerable Congressional help, and he has not shown himself to be a fiscal conservative to me.

I sure hope this satisfies your curiosity.

 
 
 
CB
10.4.8  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @10.4.7    one month ago

Well, a good start. Now how are you on the president's daily lies?

Questions:

1. It has been reported by those who take the time to do such;  President Donald Trump has 12,000 (and counting) lies on record since taking the oath of office. How does it make you feel when Barack Obama was dragged down into the conservative 'dungeon' for pseudo-lies? 

2. Do you think Donald Trump has a conscience to understand the moral deficit and shipwreck of lying on a repeating, daily basis?  Are you aware hypothetically-speaking that is, should Donald Trump yell, "Fire!" in a crowded theater - a fact-checker would be needed to quickly verify if he means a blaze is lit?

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.4.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @10.4.8    one month ago

Now your incessant questions are beginning to bore me.

 
 
 
CB
10.4.10  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @10.4.9    one month ago

Is it the questions? Or, is it Donald's lies? Tease.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.4.11  Texan1211  replied to  CB @10.4.10    one month ago

Sorry I just can't bring myself to hop aboard your "I Hate Trump" train.

There are plenty of others here all too willing to join you, though, so you have fun, y'hear?

 
 
 
CB
10.4.12  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @10.4.11    one month ago

Don't deflection, Texan1211! Don't 'pistol-whip' the Questioner. Don't falsely accuse the innocent in order to protect Donald Trump.

Here let me try again and you can take ten minutes. . . in order to establish if Donald Trump is a truth-teller or not, in your honest opinion of course!

Questions:

1. It has been reported by those who take the time to do such;  President Donald Trump has 12,000 (and counting) lies on record since taking the oath of office. How does it make you feel when Barack Obama was dragged down into the conservative 'dungeon' for pseudo-lies? 

2. Do you think Donald Trump has a conscience to understand the moral deficit and shipwreck of lying on a repeating, daily basis?  Are you aware hypothetically-speaking that is, should Donald Trump yell, "Fire!" in a crowded theater - a fact-checker would be needed to quickly verify if he means a blaze is lit?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
10.4.13  Raven Wing  replied to  CB @10.4    4 weeks ago
Have you no shame, Donald?

Shame is what everyone else has. Trumps ego and sense of Godliness will not allow him to feel such a lowly human emotion as shame. And that is mainly because he does not think he does anything that he should feel ashamed of.

Trump will never admit to any wrong doing, no matter how much he is proven guilty of anything. It is always someone else's fault and they should take the blame for it. 

Besides, how can 'God' be guilty of anything? Right?  ??

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.4.15  Texan1211  replied to  CB @10.4.12    4 weeks ago
Don't deflection, Texan1211! Don't 'pistol-whip' the Questioner. Don't falsely accuse the innocent in order to protect Donald Trump.

Time to climb down from your cross. No one is doing a damn thing to you.

Is there anything in particular that you didn't understand in this post:

Sorry I just can't bring myself to hop aboard your "I Hate Trump" train.
There are plenty of others here all too willing to join you, though, so you have fun, y'hear?

 
 
 
CB
10.4.16  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @10.4.15    4 weeks ago

Please, do not attempt to 'dazzle' me with BS, Texan1211.


MUELLER REPORT
APPENDIX C     
INTRODUCTORY NOTE

The President provided written responses through his personal counsel to questions submitted to him by the Special Counsel 's Office. We first explain the process that led to the submission of written questions and then attach the President ' s responses.

Beginning in Dec ember 2017, this Office sought for more than a year to interview the President on topics relevant to both Russian-election interference and obstruction-of-justice . We advised counsel that the President was a "subject" of the investigation unde r the definition of the Justice Manual -" a person whose conduct is within the scope of the grand jury's investigation. " Justice Manual § 9-11.151 (2018).

We also advised counsel that"[ a]n interview with the President is vital to our investigation" and that this Office had "carefull y considered the con st itutional and other arguments raised by . .. counsel, and they d[id] not provide us with reason to forgo seeking an interview ." 1

We additionally stated that "it is in the interest of the Presidency and the public for an interview to take place" and offered "numerous accommodations to aid the Pr esident 's preparation and avoid surprise." 2

After extensive discussions with the Department of Justice about the Special Counsel's objective of securing the President's testimon y, thes e accommodations included the submissions of written questions to the Presid ent on certain Russia-related topics. 3 We received the President's written responses in late November 2018 . 4

In December 2018 , we informed counsel of the insufficiency of those responses in several respect s. 5 We noted, among other things , that the President stated on more than 30 occasions that he "does not 're call ' or 'remember ' or have an ' independent recollection"' of information called for by the questions. 6 Other answers were "incomplete or impreci se." 7 The written responses , we inform ed counsel, " demonstrate the inadequacy of the written format , as we hav e had no opportunity to ask follow­ up questions that would ensure complete answers and potentially refresh your client 's recolle ct ion or clarify the extent or nature of his lack of recollection." 8

We again requested an in-person interview , limited to certain topics , advising the President 's counsel that "[t]his is the President 's o pportunity to voluntarily provide us with information for us to evaluate in the context of all of the evidence we have gathered." 9

The President declined .

Recognizing that the President would not be interviewed voluntarily, we considered whether to issue a subpoena for his testimony.

We viewed the written answers to be inadequate .

But at that point, our investigation had made significant progress and had produced substantial evidence for our report. We thus weighed the costs of potentially lengthy constitutional litigation , with resulting delay in finishing our investigation , against the anticipated benefits for our investigation and report. As explained in Volume II , Section H.B., we determined that the substantial quantity of information we had obtained from other sources allowed us to draw relevant factual conclusions on intent and credibility , which are often inferred from circumstantial evidence and assessed without direct testimony from the subject of the investigation.

SOURCE: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf Pages C-1 through C-2


For a period spanning two years, the Special Counsel tried to get the "Defendant-in-Chief" to respond to a request for an interview and finally a request for written responses. Only to have the interview declined and (after a considerable delay) the Special Counsel Written Questionnaire determined inadequate due to "I don't recall" statements; imcomplete and imprecise responses- with no allowance in this type of format for follow.

“I write the answers.” Trump told reporters six months ago. “My lawyers don’t write answers, I write answers. I was asked a series of questions. I have answered them very easily. Very easily…. The questions were very routinely answered by me. By me. Okay?”

As it turns out, the Republican answered the questions “very easily” because it doesn’t take a lot of effort to skip over difficult lines of inquiry, while writing, “I don’t remember” in response to the others.

Trump has bragged more than once that he has “one of the great memories of all time” I’m starting to think that might not be altogether true.

Source: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-trumps-written-answers-mueller-were-deemed-inadequate
 
 
 
CB
10.4.17  CB   replied to  CB @10.4.16    4 weeks ago

Read it and analyze it. "Just the facts" won't change if you dare read @10.4.16 or not read it.

The Special Counsel's Appendix C begs the question: The president was given presidential level treatment not afforded to any others under the law to present adequate, precise, and complete written answers to the Special Counsel questions and said "Defendant-in-Chief" BS-ed in the manner a yellow-bellied coward would.

I hate deliberate liars. I have told you this many times already. Donald Trump lies by commission and omission. You participate in both, when you falsely accuse others sharing the truth directly with you, and you get up from the research and label such sharing "hate-filled." Who is really responding with insincerity here? You be the judge.

There is no justifiable excuse for deflection anymore. Therefore, deflection is UNACCEPTABLE.

 
 
 
cms5
11  cms5    one month ago

Simply put, I can understand why he might feel that Jewish people might abandon the Democrat party over their failure to call out a congresswoman who clearly made anti-Semitic statements...since this same congresswoman is now wanting to cut aide to Israel. Trump is trying to make Omar and Tlaib the face of the Dems...and many Dems are either silent, or calling out Trump...but he went too far.

Instead, he should have offered support to anyone of the Jewish faith who still feels slighted over the anti-Semitic words/actions of some members of Congress.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  cms5 @11    one month ago

Again,

There is a bipartisan resolution that says the US will not support BDS. I think that speaks volumes. They are not getting support from the Dems or the Repubs. 

 
 
 
JBB
11.1.1  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    one month ago

BDS, which stands for "Boycott, Divest and Sanction", is an international  political movement fashioned after the international efforts which were successfully brought to bear against the Apartheid System in South Africa which are intended to incentivize Israel to conform with international human rights conventions and to try and force Israel to, again, address The Palestinian Issue. There are many, including some US Jews, who believe that making progress in this regard is in the best interests of everyone including Israel and Jewish people everywhere.  

Of the 36 Jewish members of the US Congress Only two are in the gop. None of the nine Jewish members of the US Senate are in the gop. Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein, the Democratic Leaders of the US Senate, are Jewish. 72% of Jewish votes cast in 2016 were for Democrats but that number rose to 83% in the 2018 midterm elections primarily due to Trump's tacit support for White Nationalists. 

Currently in America we are suffering a plague of mass atrocities committed by homegrown rightwing white nationalist domestic terrorists. People do not feel safe at the mall or even at their churches, mosques and synagogues. American Nazis are marching in our streets actually shouting violent antisemitic slogans and our president says that there are very many good people among them.

As you know, American Jews can think for themselves and they mostly feel that BDS IS ONLY ONE OF MANY ISSUES. All the hyperbolic bullshit we see regarding BDS does not, um, trump all other political considerations as some would have us believe...

 
 
 
KDMichigan
11.1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  JBB @11.1.1    one month ago
BDS, which stands for "Boycott, Divest and Sanction", is an international  political movement fashioned after the international efforts which were successfully brought to bear against the Apartheid System in South Africa which are intended to incentivize Israel to conform with international human rights conventions and to try and force Israel to, again, address The Palestinian Issue. There are many, including some US Jews, who believe that making progress in this regard is in the best interests of everyone including Israel and Jewish people everywhere.  

Don't forget BDS ties to Hamas and the PFLP two terrorist organizations. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
11.1.3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  KDMichigan @11.1.2    one month ago

Let's not forget the co-founder of BDS is banned not only from Israel but also the United States for his terrorist ties.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
11.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  cms5 @11    one month ago

Why does Israel need US aid?

I thought they were a prosperous country?

 
 
 
luther28
11.2.1  luther28  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.2    one month ago

Gee Trout, as my grandson might say, that's a very good question :)

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  luther28 @11.2.1    one month ago

Because they are only 1 of 2 US allies in the M/E and most of it goes for mutual defense. The US tends to help what is beneficial to them, hence why no one even thinks about Africa. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2.2    one month ago

That's a very good answer!

 
 
 
Raven Wing
11.2.4  Raven Wing  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2.2    one month ago

What do you think of this article posted just a short time ago.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-tweets-a-quote-calling-him-second-coming-of-god/ar-AAG8lvP?li=BBnbcA1

Less than a day after President Donald Trump outraged many members of the Jewish community for his comments about their loyalty, he tweeted out the claim that Israeli Jews view him as the "second coming of God."  Quoting Root's tweet, Mr. Trump shared the message that he is "the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world," that "the Jewish people in Israel love him like he's the King of Israel" and even that "They love him like he is the second coming of God.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
11.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2.2    one month ago
Because they are only 1 of 2 US allies in the M/E and most of it goes for mutual defense.

And one of those allies, Saudi Arabia, is virulently anti-Jewish/Israel. And who are we selling armaments and weapons systems to?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
11.3  Raven Wing  replied to  cms5 @11    one month ago
Omar and Tlaib

Although I am not a Republican any longer, those two women make me glad I am not a Democrat either. I don't think they will be the darlings of the Palestinians for long either, as their rhetoric will not bode well for them in the long run either. 

 
 
 
CB
11.3.1  CB   replied to  Raven Wing @11.3    one month ago

The biggest problem I see (from a distance) with these two women is they appear to be in season and out of season. Voted in yest to 'act up' and to 'focus the hearts and minds,' but to what ultimate end? Donald Trump will whip these two congresswomen up in a froth as tall as the sky if they give him the 'material.' Their 'case' for divestment - if it has any legitimacy at all, is for another period—not election season. Well, the good news is may be by January 1, 2020 they will have made their points (right or wrong) and 'rest' their case!

 
 
 
Kathleen
12  Kathleen    one month ago

These women are bigots against the Jewish people.  Plain and simple.

 
 
 
MrFrost
13  MrFrost    one month ago

So the right finds two dems that don't care for Jews. While I don't share their views, (even a little bit), I am forced to wonder how many anti-Muslims there are on the right? Probably a lot more than 2, but apparently, that's totally ok. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
14  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    one month ago

I have a feeling that Trump is fueling this fire and loving every minute of it.  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
14.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @14    one month ago

definitely full of gas,

bovine excrement,

cow methane,

electricity,

i'm hoping someday , but

i doubt n e wood

want to find out either, so i'll go with all of the above, IS what Trumpp is loving.

He's kicked back watching all the disarray and sayin

see, no ones talking about my gonna collapse soon economy, or Russian collusion, or my inaugural balls, bouncin off the face of reason as i ownly committed TREASON !

 
 
 
devangelical
14.2  devangelical  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @14    one month ago

it's a dog whistle calling for some of those fine people that support him to go shoot up another synagogue

 
 
 
Raven Wing
14.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @14    one month ago

Agree. He is stirring the WH outhouse and enjoying every moment of the feces smell he is producing and laughing his head off at the reaction of both sides. 

What he does not seem to realize is that all that feces can easily come back and smack him in the face. And.....if history is is a lesson well served, it will do just that.

However, as usual....Trump will blame it on someone else.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @14    one month ago
I have a feeling that Trump is fueling this fire and loving every minute of it.  

I have to agree with you Sister. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.5  Kathleen  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @14    one month ago

So is the press.  I bet they love every minute of it too. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.5.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @14.5    one month ago

The difference is the press is supposed to be objectively providing us with news!!!

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.5.2  Kathleen  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.1    one month ago

Maybe some people should watch Absence of Malice.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.5.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @14.5.2    one month ago

Is it one of the barred sources?

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.5.4  Kathleen  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.3    one month ago

It’s a good movie that shows you how damaging the press can be sometimes. : )

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.5.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @14.5.4    one month ago

I get the point. I don't think people realize how bad things have become with the media. The Constitution protects a free press. It is such a travesty to watch the msm use that freedom to become an advocacy group for an ideology.

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.5.6  Kathleen  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.5    one month ago

Yes, I rarely watch much of the news stations anymore.  It’s nothing more then promoting their views instead of just reporting it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
14.5.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.1    one month ago

'I get the point. I don't think people realize how bad things have become with the media. The Constitution protects a free press. It is such a travesty to watch the msm use that freedom to become an advocacy group for an ideology.'

That's what Fux 'news' is doing.  

Not the 'mainstream media'

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.5.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @14.5.6    one month ago
Yes, I rarely watch much of the news stations anymore.

Kathy, I wish I could do that. When I'm home the TV is either on TVG or a news station.

It’s nothing more then promoting their views instead of just reporting it.

It's a serious problem. For 3 years they told us the President of the United States conspired with Russia. Can we ever forgive them?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.5.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @14.5.7    one month ago
It’s nothing more then promoting their views instead of just reporting it.

Fox didn't claim that the President conspired with Russia, did they?

 
 
 
Tessylo
14.5.10  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.9    one month ago

'Fox didn't claim that the President conspired with Russia, did they?'

Of course not.  They would never report the truth about the 'president'

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.5.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @14.5.10    one month ago
They would never report the truth about the 'president'

Actually, IT WAS A LIE!

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.5.12  Kathleen  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.8    one month ago

I know what you mean.  It would make me angry when I see them talking about what they think. Who cares what they think! Just report what is happening in the world and move on. There is a show that comes on Sunday Morning that I like. It has stories about what is going on and it has a brief story about nature at the end. 

That is the only one I like, plus local sometimes.

 
 
 
Tessylo
14.5.13  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.11    one month ago

Actually, IT WAS THE TRUTH!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.5.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @14.5.12    one month ago

I used to like all the news shows on Sunday mornings. I liked "This Week" on ABC, way back when David Brinkley hosted. He always opened with "All the news since the Sunday morning papers.'  That show as well as Face the Nation have deteriorated over the years. Now my Sunday mornings are spent with grand kids which has become the highlight of my week!

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.5.15  Kathleen  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.14    one month ago

I can’t think of anything better then spending time with your grandchildren. : )

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.5.16  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @14.5.15    one month ago

Are you blessed with grand children? kids?

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.5.17  Kathleen  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.16    one month ago

Not yet, my daughter is in college. I am looking forward to it if she decides to have children. If not, then I will be a grandparent to all kinds of pets. jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.5.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @14.5.17    one month ago

I guess you have a way to go on that. The fun part of grand kids is that I get to spoil them - when I can get away with it! I always have a box of M&M's on me even though candy is forbidden! jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.5.19  Kathleen  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.18    one month ago

Yep! And when you are tired, you can give them back...  : ) 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.5.20  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @14.5.19    one month ago

True, though I never seem to tire of them. I think they'd move in if they could. I know that eventually as they get older they will have friends they would rather be with, but for now I'm enjoying every bit of it!

 
 
 
CB
14.5.21  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.1    one month ago

Donald is a president, and he is supposed to be objectively a leader for all the citizenry. Epic fail.

 
 
 
CB
14.5.22  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.5    one month ago
The Constitution protects a free press. It is such a travesty to watch the msm use that freedom to become an advocacy group for an ideology.

The Constitution protects the freedom to own a gun. It is such a travesty to watch the NRA and its republican defenders use that freedom to become an advocacy group for an ideology which allows kindergartners to be pulverized with bullets, and some conservatives barely can be seen to wince.

 
 
 
CB
14.5.23  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @14.5.14    one month ago

Okay. That's rich and a 'roar.' But this is serious and so I say enjoy:

The Huntley-Brinkley Report 11/22/63 - Commentary

 
 
 
Raven Wing
14.5.24  Raven Wing  replied to  Kathleen @14.5.19    4 weeks ago
And when you are tired, you can give them back...

I never had that privilege. I had to raise my granddaughter from the age of 2 y/o. But, she was a good child and has always been a blessing to me. (smile)

 
 
 
CB
14.6  CB   replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @14    one month ago

He is. It is what he does. Trump's twitter feed 'pours' the gasoline for his tongue to ignite. He scratches his feeds itching ears on a daily basis. The worse thing the news media could do to Donald Trump is not allow him to be "ON" all the time.

Have you observed that no reporter has to find Donald "Greenland" Trump; he is not scarce or camera shy!

 
 
 
Tessylo
15  Tessylo    one month ago

'For 3 years they told us the President of the United States conspired with Russia.'

That's the truth.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @15    one month ago
'For 3 years they told us the President of the United States conspired with Russia.' That's the truth.

Are you sure you want to say that here in front of everybody?  

 
 
 
lib50
15.1.1  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1    4 weeks ago

I will, because he did.   We can all read about his connections to Russians throughout his campaign and into his presidency.  He may not be indicted, but he absolutely did cooperate with them and they did work to get Trump elected.  Still working to help him out.  That is the truth.  His entire campaign had connections to Russians.

 
 
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