You didn't object

  
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You didn't object

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Dear Republicans:

You didn’t object when you heard Donald Trump say he likes to grab women “by the pussy.”



You didn’t object when he kicked the American media out of the Oval Office and handed two Russian spies classified data entrusted to him by one of our allies.

You didn’t object when he likened our intelligence community to “Nazis.”

You didn’t object when he stood before the Memorial Wall of Stars at Langley and told lie after lie about himself and the election.


You didn’t object while at the Helsinki Summit, he met behind closed doors with the Russian President.

You didn’t object to him banning the American Press from covering that meeting.

You didn’t object when he emerged from that meeting and sided with the Russian President over the findings of our own intelligence community.

You didn’t object when the Trump campaign admitted to accepting Russian offers to help him defeat SecState Clinton.

You didn’t object when he stood before the cameras and said; “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find 30k e-mails that are missing.”

You didn’t object when the Russians responded that VERY DAY with stolen emails.

You didn’t object when it was confirmed that the basis for the Trump Tower meeting was a total fabrication. That it had nothing to do with adopting Russian children, and everything to do with swinging the election.

You didn’t object when it was revealed that Trump himself floated the cover story of adoptions from Russia.

You didn’t object when it was confirmed that his campaign staff had met with Russian agents over 150 times, after claiming they had never met with them at all.

You didn’t object when the Trump campaign declined to inform the FBI about the Russian advances.

You didn’t object when Trump’s campaign manager gave internal data on four key battleground states to agents working for Putin.

You sure as hell didn’t object when those very same four battleground states miraculously shifted towards trump on Election Day.

You didn’t object when Trump kicked his Attorney General out of the room and asked the FBI Director to let his National Security Advisor off the hook for lying about his contacts with Russian agents.

You didn’t object when Trump fired that FBI Director for declining to let Flynn off the hook.

You didn’t object when Special Counsel Robert Mueller said he couldn’t establish a conspiracy, largely because so many of Trump’s staffers lied during their interviews, and because Trump himself refused to submit to a live interview.

You didn’t object when Special Counsel Mueller cited no fewer than ten instances of the president himself obstructing justice in his report: an impeachable offense.

You didn’t object when it was revealed he cheated on his wife with a porn star.

You didn’t object when it was revealed that he paid off that porn star to the tune of $130,000.00 to buy her silence just prior to the election, an illegal attempt to hide relevant facts from the electorate.

You didn’t object when he withdrew the U.S. from the JCPOA, which was the first and ONLY treaty that’s successfully kept Iranian nuclear ambitions in check.

You didn’t object when he pulled us out of the Paris Climate Accords.

You didn’t object when he scuttled the Obama administration’s clean air and water standards.

You didn’t object when he opened up vast tracts of protected wilderness to his friends in the oil and mining industries.

You didn’t object to the myriad of cases of violations of the emoluments clause.

You didn’t object to the recently-discovered military stopovers at Trump properties in Scotland.

You didn’t object when after mass shooting after mass shooting, he wouldn’t lift a finger to protect even little school children from gun violence.

You didn’t object when he started putting tariffs on everyone from China to Turkey, which have undeniably hurt millions of people around the world and shaken the stock markets.

You didn’t object when he gave the corporate farming industry $26B in compensation for their losses due to his tariffs.

You didn’t object when he channeled $3.6B in Pentagon appropriations to his wall on the Mexican border.

You didn’t object when Trump called out against “Islamic terrorism” on multiple occasions, but never once for terrorism by white nationalists.

You didn’t object when he forcibly separated little children from their parents.

You didn’t object when he confined those children to chain-link paddocks.

You didn’t object when a whistleblower revealed the president had on multiple occasions said things that potentially undermined our nation’s safety and security.

You didn’t object when his personal lawyer, his personal consultant, and his army of sycophants at Fox News have repeatedly and consistently lied about ALL of the above for three excruciatingly long years.

So here’s my question for you: What about any of the above do you believe entitles you to the right to call yourselves “patriots?” In anything other than today’s bizarro-world, you wouldn’t even make the rank of American. When this nightmare ends, we’ll remind you of just how patriotic you were during these days. Your karma is gonna sting.”



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Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
1  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley    one month ago

Laura Crystal posted this to my page at FB. I don't know if she wrote it or was just passing it along.

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
1.1  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley  replied to  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley @1    one month ago

I have found the original author:

Bruce Lindner

https://www.facebook.com/macbruce/posts/10157341691631145

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.1.1  Heartland American  replied to  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley @1.1    4 weeks ago

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pat wilson
1.2  pat wilson  replied to  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley @1    one month ago

Excellent article. Good to see you here !

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley @1    4 weeks ago

I didn't, and WON"T, OBJECT to ANYTHING on that damn LIST, as it has all played out, just as displayed by author.

No, BIDEN is the real threat to AMERICA, WTF ???

.

This mental midget melancholy flowered piercing earring, left for the Right, dangling like a participle marsupial , Sloth child, gone wild and running over the under educated, like a steam roller powered by his own methane, as his followers don't even gasp at his emitted gas pollutes a position, compromised, a situational unsanitized, from a gold thrown

have been the dream of a country created by so many with the good intentions of actually creating a perfect Union, and ACTUALLY making AMERICA GREAT, not again, as this wookiie grabbing back and front stabbing mami black labbing with our Vets and White Power dabbing, is 

a disgrace, and/of any race, as he spits on all the graves of those who fought and died, gave life and limb, for one who should be hung from a tree with good reason,

TREASON, but now the true snowflakes will all be individual mobs with sobbs , but that is how i view what this no one could chew, let a loan swallow, what this purveyor of partisan bull ship, could ever pay back

.

He is a LYING, CHEATING , SCUMBAG

but how bout that, he bangs pornstars, andwhat can you say about

that fckn Hair   besides  Split End to End and let our Country Mend

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2  Greg Jones    one month ago

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We've heard all this BS propaganda, untruths, and lies many times before here on NT.

Most of the assertions in the article are false.

It gets boring and tiresome and has no impact on anything.

Why not post something new, worthwhile, important, relevant, and interesting.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @2    one month ago
Removed for context - s

She sounds spot on, and for the record, it's the regressive nut jobs that are still mad about the midterms. 

We've heard all this BS propaganda, untruths, and lies many times before here on NT.

Untruths? Trump is past 12,000 lies in 3 years. The regressives have NO right to complain about lying. It's not propaganda, it's what happened. The fact that you disagree with it only proves that it's spot on. 

Most of the assertions in the article are false.

List them, and be specific as to how they are lies. 

It gets boring and tiresome and has no impact on anything.

If that's what you need to tell yourself, go for it. If everything in the article was about Obama, I am sure you would have the same reaction, right? 

Why not post something new, worthwhile, important, relevant, and interesting.

Don't like it, don't read it. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
2.1.1  cobaltblue  replied to  MrFrost @2.1    4 weeks ago
List them, and be specific as to how they are lies. 

Was it you that to posted a paragraph from an article that took Trump to task for all his wrongdoings and replaced Obama's name? For instance:

Obama, who never served in Vietnam, and who received multiple deferments to avoid service, had this to say in July 2015 about U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a naval aviator who spent five years in a North Vietnamese prison camp, where he was tortured. "He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured, OK?”

or this:

During the campaign, Obama impugned the character of U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, a native-born American, hailing from Indiana, who was hearing a class action case against Obama's now-discredited Obama University.

"He's a Mexican," Obama said to CNN of Curiel. "... The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can't even believe."

or this:

Obama's news conference with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki was an embarrassment. Obama's meeting with the Russian president came on the heels of Russia’s attempted assassination of a dissident on British soil using banned chemical weapons and the indictment of 12 Russians for 2016 election meddling. Instead of condemning these actions, Obama publicly sided with Putin over his own intelligence community.

Do you think the right leaners would be okay with that? Wasn't that you that served up that example? If not, I apologize and I give kudos to whomever thought of it.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @2    4 weeks ago
Why not post something new, worthwhile, important, relevant, and interesting.

You first. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
2.3.1  cobaltblue  replied to  Dulay @2.3    4 weeks ago
You first.

Oh dear, that's hilarious! Good luck with that ... ha!

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.2  Dulay  replied to  cobaltblue @2.3.1    4 weeks ago

I note that silence ensued. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.4  It Is ME  replied to  Greg Jones @2    4 weeks ago
Why not post something new, worthwhile, important, relevant, and interesting.

Like the good things Trump has done for the country and it's Citizens. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

But .... alas ….. "Good' isn't a "Good thing" for the "Left's" existence. They must have bad, bad, BAD !

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3  Greg Jones    one month ago

Trump is past 12,000 lies in 3 years. 

List them, and be specific as to how they are lies. 

 
 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.2  bugsy  replied to  lib50 @3.1    4 weeks ago

Look at the list of references you used. Every one of them are Trump hating, far left loon propaganda.

If Trump said he was a shade of Sungold orange, one of these hate peddlers would say he is lying and that he is actually goldenrod.

That is the kind of BS this country is facing tody.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @3.1.2    4 weeks ago
If Trump said he was a shade of Sungold orange, one of these hate peddlers would say he is lying and that he is actually goldenrod.

Nah...I would call him tangerine

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.1.4  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.3    4 weeks ago
Nah...I would call him tangerine

I was going to say burnt umber, but tangerine is better.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
3.1.5  cobaltblue  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.1.4    4 weeks ago
but tangerine is better.

I understand that when Melania used to have sex with him, she'd look over his shoulder and think almost aloud: "Apricot. I think I'll paint the ceiling apricot."

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3    one month ago
Most of the assertions in the article are false.

Prove it. I asked you first, prove they are lies. And Lib50 already covered your question anyway. 

You can't prove they are lies because you know they aren't. Now move along Greg, move along. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    one month ago

Occupy Democrats does not pass the site fact checker. Questionable source.

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
4.1  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @4    one month ago

I just went through this with Perrie. This is not from Occupy Democrats. The original author is Bruce Lindner and it is posted here:

https://  (close this space to follow link) www.facebook.com/macbruce/posts/10157341691631145

He has a follow up post here discussing the reaction to it. He got 4k comments and 12k shares, so it really hit home: https://www.facebook.com/macbruce


 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley @4.1    one month ago

Hi Loretta, 

You were missing the link so I put in the Occupy Democrats link. I didn't realize at the time that they were forbidden on the MB/FC, then BF came and properly closed it. When you gave me the updated link, I put it in and reopened the article. The post that BF made to you was before the change and is not after the change so the comment is no longer relevant. 

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
4.1.2  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.1    one month ago

I agree. I just wanted to be sure others knew about the origin of this article.

 
 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.4  Heartland American  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.3    4 weeks ago

That source isn’t listed by or pending by MBFC.  

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.4    4 weeks ago

A source that is not rated is allowed to be seeded. Again, since you have done it, you know that. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.6  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @4.1.5    4 weeks ago

I think that you are wrong.  You should be right considering all that’s out there on line and there is no way they can possibly rate it all, especially since they are constantly rerating right bias conservative sites to questionable instead of reviewing new stuff.  

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.6    4 weeks ago
I think that you are wrong.  

Ask Perrie and see for yourself. Then come back and tell me. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.2  bbl-1  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @4    4 weeks ago

It is never the source.  It is the information.  Factual or not.

And...…………"Alternative Facts" will be always, unacceptable.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bbl-1 @4.2    4 weeks ago
Alternative Facts" will be always, unacceptable.

a few around here, may not have gotten that message.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.2.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  bbl-1 @4.2    4 weeks ago
"Alternative Facts" will be always, unacceptable.

The current administration was founded on "alternative facts" (lies).

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.2.3  Heartland American  replied to  bbl-1 @4.2    4 weeks ago

[Deleted]

[This article has already been found to be acceptable by the site owner.  Further meta may result in points toward suspension.]

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
5  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley    one month ago

I grew up in a REP family in a REP neighborhood, worked on Reagan's campaigns and was a lifelong REP for my entire life until about a decade ago when I changed my affiliation to IND because of the hate spewing from the right. Hate is not a conservative principal. Unreasoning spewing isn't either. I will not be associated with it.  

I find it extremely saddening that some people cannot or will not use their reasoning abilities before giving a knee jerk reaction to something posted. If we're going to keep our great nation a democracy, everyone on both sides needs to do that.

Unfortunately, Fox News has spent decades teaching people on the right to hate people on the left. People on the left have reacted with anger. The right has moved so far right that they even make moderates look like liberals.

On top of that, Putin's propaganda machine spews hatred at us, pretending to be us. I never know anymore whether I'm listening to his propaganda or someone's honest opinion.

"The Fake Americans Russia Created to Influence the Election. Far less splashy, and far more difficult to trace, was Russia’s experimentation on Facebook and Twitter, the American companies that essentially invented the tools of social media and, in this case, did not stop them from being turned into engines of deception and propaganda."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/russia-facebook-twitter-election.html

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6  Nerm_L    4 weeks ago

Unfortunately for the author, there have been objections from Republicans.  It's just that those objections were overshadowed by outrageous hair-on-fire extremism from Democrats.  So, it's not surprising that people are unaware.

Keep in mind that Trump wasn't handed the Republican nomination.  There really was vociferous push back against Trump being the Republican candidate.  And there was a noted lack of enthusiasm from Republicans at the RNC convention.  But Democrats really wanted Trump so that the election would be an easy win for Clinton.  Clinton was supposed to win by such an overwhelming margin that Democrats could claim a mandate.

Not even the Ukrainians leaking information to influence the election could help Clinton.  Clinton really was that bad.

Democrats haven't been kicking Republicans out of Congress; they're just leaving.  Republicans have been quitting Congress in droves because of Trump; although many would not admit it.  The TEA Party faction has been forked; it's done.  Even Paul Ryan simply quit.  And Mitt Romney won election to the Senate with a resist Trump campaign.

The Democrats' worst nightmare is coming to pass.  Trump is forcing the Republican Party to become younger and more diverse.  The old, white deadwood in the Democratic Party can see themselves fading into irrelevance just as the Clintons have faded.  Even Obama seems rather last century.

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
6.1  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley  replied to  Nerm_L @6    4 weeks ago
The old, white deadwood

Is on both sides. I just had a conversation about that with my grandson this morning. He votes in every election, but his friends don't. I told him that's a shame because there are so many in their generation they could really change the direction of this nation into something that would better suit them within just a few elections if they only realized their power. Old fogeys like me can try to keep up with what they need in the future, but it's hard work. So much better if it came directly from them.

I'm against the idiot in the WH, so I'm going to vote for whoever is the DEM nominee. I wish the REPs would stand up to him. Instead, they're leaving. That and his fascism scare me.

Since the GOP has been taken over by haters, I don't feel I can vote for any R anymore. I don't like that feeling. I've always voted based on their record rather than their party, but the GOP is so staunchly demanding lock step voting in legislatures that it doesn't matter what the individual stands for anymore. They're afraid they'll be ousted by their own party if they aren't obedient to the demands of those in charge.


 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley @6.1    4 weeks ago

Repubs put their party, a surprise to not many and should definitely be offending to some if not most any, Above Country, as they discard the built in checks they bounce, while unbalanced is their beam set on high, like a brain that can't cell a brate, a body that can't buy or rate, as together they couple , but can't fornicate, as they fck a nation out of contempt for a quart or two less than a litre, abuser and cheater, supported by dicks jockeying for imposition, to bend rules without friction as they discard respect and tradition, for OUR COUNTRY, that is for US All, not for just those who would crawl under any form or norm, all due to a D form, running as an R rated xxx frcken

porno star porking, playmate paying for playing  John 

who, needs Doe, to get him a hoe  from the shed roof under

your in ,

with prostituted Russian pros, who won't slow down, till the Orange Clown be Putin down 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley @6.1    4 weeks ago
They're afraid they'll be ousted by their own party if they aren't obedient to the demands of those in charge.

Evidenced by the fact that those with the gumption to address the dysfunction, and are willing to challenge the fractured incumbent, are summarily dismissed and not even allowed the opportunity to mount a primary challenge. The GOP has circled the wagons to protect the most divisive leader in our history. We shall soon see if that decision will gain them another four years. But in the long run, historians may chronicle that that decision may have been the nexus for the demise of the party as once formulated.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  r.t..b... @6.1.2    4 weeks ago
he demise of the party as once formulated.

my prediction. Not around here so much, but there are a vast many, who have realized they fricked up big time, and are not yelling it out loud, as they keep that admission, to themselves.

Can't say i blam.....ahh who the fck am i kidding, i do blame them, but could forgive their transgression if they might just accept their mistake, and would own up to em.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
6.1.4  al Jizzerror  replied to  r.t..b... @6.1.2    4 weeks ago
The GOP has circled the wagons to protect the most divisive leader in our history.

The Republicans will never be able to get rid of the Trump stench.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley @6.1    4 weeks ago
Is on both sides. I just had a conversation about that with my grandson this morning. He votes in every election, but his friends don't. I told him that's a shame because there are so many in their generation they could really change the direction of this nation into something that would better suit them within just a few elections if they only realized their power. Old fogeys like me can try to keep up with what they need in the future, but it's hard work. So much better if it came directly from them.

They can't avoid being involved for long.  The old fogies are dying off.  Politics has changed because the WWII generation can't dominate politics any longer.  No one stepped up after the WWII generation became too old and began dying off.  Barack Obama was born fifteen years after the end of WWII.

I'm against the idiot in the WH, so I'm going to vote for whoever is the DEM nominee. I wish the REPs would stand up to him. Instead, they're leaving. That and his fascism scare me.

The pertinent question: are you opposed to Trump's policy direction or are you opposed to Trump being a media sensation?  It's true Trump has not been subservient to the politics of the Presidency; Trump has retained his individuality.  Do not confuse service to country with subservience to politics.

Trump has been less fascist than any President since Ronald Reagan was elected.  Someone had to challenge the legacy of Reagan and that someone has been Trump.  Republicans certainly weren't challenging the policy legacy of Reagan and Democrats have been embracing Reagan's policy legacy since Bill Clinton was elected.  

Ronald Reagan was a smooth talker that looked good for the camera but, as President, Ronald Reagan put the country on the wrong track.  Trump deserves a lot of credit for finally removing Ronald Reagan from American politics.  Reagan was the real fascist who advocated a marriage between government and private business (particularly finance).  And Bill Clinton sold the Federal government to the highest bidder by following Reagan's policy prescriptions.

Does the US need to recalibrate it's relationship with NATO?  Does the US need to shift trade policy away from building Reagan's service economy?  Does the US need to redirect economic policy away from Reagan's policy focus on finance and toward manufacturing?  Should the US change military policy from Reagan's "might makes right" policy prescriptions toward using the military to support diplomacy rather than leading diplomacy?  

So, ask yourself what is the real problem with Donald Trump?  What are your expectations for a President that will replace Trump?  If the answers to those questions focus attention on the media created public sensation rather than policy directions, then the outrage is really rather superficial.  

Trump isn't anyone I'd want to associate with.  But that doesn't mean a more likable President will be better.  

Since the GOP has been taken over by haters, I don't feel I can vote for any R anymore. I don't like that feeling. I've always voted based on their record rather than their party, but the GOP is so staunchly demanding lock step voting in legislatures that it doesn't matter what the individual stands for anymore. They're afraid they'll be ousted by their own party if they aren't obedient to the demands of those in charge.

Really?  Who's left?  Have you forgotten that the 2016 line up of Republican candidates, three short years ago, was as diverse (or possibly more diverse) than the current line up of Democratic candidates?  Democrats don't hold an edge on candidate demographics any longer; the 2016 Republican primaries disproved that idea.

Who are the Republican 'haters' in the headlines?  Just because a corrupt press says it doesn't make it so.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
6.1.6  cobaltblue  replied to  r.t..b... @6.1.2    4 weeks ago
The GOP has circled the wagons to protect the most divisive leader in our history.

Thus handing Congress to the democrats mid-term. Thank you, Donald Trump! 

 
 
 
bbl-1
6.2  bbl-1  replied to  Nerm_L @6    4 weeks ago

"objections from republicans." 

Ahh, this is off subject but republicans object to a 14 year old wishing to terminate her rapist's baby.  Go ahead, object away.  

This too.  (Paraphrasing)  "I believe Putin before I believe my own INTEL."  DJT.  Helsinki.

 
 
 
JBB
7  JBB    4 weeks ago

Since the gop continues to back Trump more and more voters are finding the gop to be entirely objectionable. Considering the historic whooping the gop got in the midterms you would think they would be catching on. Instead the gop seems merely intent on doing as much damage as possible. Remember that when you vote...

 
 
 
Kathleen
8  Kathleen    4 weeks ago

I am a registered Republican.  I did the opposite, I changed from a Democrat to a Republican.  I don’t regret that decision.  I consider myself a moderate, because I am liberal on the social issues. In the 2016 election, I was very unhappy with the two choices. I did not like Hillary for which I felt she had too much baggage. I did not care for Trump. So I wrote in the person I wanted.  It’s hard to tell nowadays who is telling the truth, media, political figures and of corse people on social forums like this. I am a independent thinker, so I am not persuaded either way.  Politics is a dirty business, I think we can all agree on that.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
8.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Kathleen @8    4 weeks ago
Politics is a dirty business

Since our inception. However, the partisanship has reached a level that is perhaps unprecedented. I cannot think of a single piece of meaningful legislation that has passed with bi-partisan support (the criminal reform act being the lone exception) in the last decade. Executive Orders have become the norm, a dangerous trend as all we are seeing are roll-backs of previous administration policies...only to again be over-turned by the next administration from the other party. We find ourselves at a crossroads where the balance of power seems to be shifting toward the executive branch, comfortable if your candidate occupies the transitory position, but ultimately dangerous to the delicate and essential balance as our demanded by our Constitution. The two-party system as currently employed does nothing but guarantee the continued downward spiral of dysfunction, as maintaining power is the one and only concern. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  r.t..b... @8.1    4 weeks ago

If the two parties would come to a compromise, it would help us move forward.  Unfortunately I know that will never happen. It’s a big game at the expense of all of us.  I feel like I want nothing to do with any of it.  You are right, it’s all about power.  I also haven’t put down anyone’s choice in who they support. We all have our own reasons for that.  I never felt it was anyone’s business who I wrote in, and I feel the same about who others picked to support.  It’s their right to pick who they want.  

 
 
 
mocowgirl
8.1.2  mocowgirl  replied to  r.t..b... @8.1    4 weeks ago
I cannot think of a single piece of meaningful legislation that has passed with bi-partisan support (the criminal reform act being the lone exception) in the last decade.

In the 90s the government was sold to the highest bidder with bipartisan support and presidential approval.  Wall Street was in charge and living large.  The working class was decimated with international trade deals and domestic law changes that allowed monopolies and later left the taxpayers with the bill to bail out the banks that were "too big to fail".  The taxpayers may still be paying for S&L bailout of the late 1980s.  Because the S&L bailout was so successful, it is little wonder it was repeated less than 20 years later.

Since the inception of more internet access, it appears that fewer politicians want their supporters to fact check what they have actually voted for versus what the politician said they supported in order to get elected.  

For decades, the US government has represented Wall Street in a very bipartisan manner.

Main Street is looking for a candidate that represents Main Street.  And, if none are offered, then will support anyone who appears to not be a Wall Street insider or Wall Street profiteer.  

Main Street has become accustomed to being lied to and used by the men/women who they voted for that they now probably accept it as just a complete normal part of the US political process.  Neither political party is a stranger to lying about much of anything. Never has been throughout US history to the best of my knowledge.   Claiming that one liar is somehow better than another liar is probably not going to be a winning political strategy....but I could be wrong.  It has happened.  LOL!  

Most people in the US are conservative according to a recent poll .  However, the majority of Democratic voters are liberal (51%).  I believe that relying on these type of polls when it comes to politics is probably not a good idea when it comes to trying to promote a "safe" candidate.  The candidate might be "safe" (or intelligence, or qualified, etc.), but it doesn't mean that they are electable.  Voting in the US also comes down to personalities.

In my experience in interacting with people for 6+ decades, shaming people into voting, or not voting, for a political candidate is not an effective tactic because people can usually internally justify any decision they make and don't really care what the rest of the people outside of their herd thinks about it.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
8.1.3  dave-2693993  replied to  mocowgirl @8.1.2    4 weeks ago
In my experience in interacting with people for 6+ decades, shaming people into voting, or not voting, for a political candidate is not an effective tactic because people can usually internally justify any decision they make and don't really care what the rest of the people outside of their herd thinks about it.

You can say that again.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @8    4 weeks ago
It’s hard to tell nowadays who is telling the truth, media, political figures and of course people on social forums like this.

Donald Trump is a chronic pathological liar. He has been all his life. There is nothing mysterious about it at all.  If you start by disbelieving everything he says you will be much much closer to the truth than if you believe anything he says. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.2.1  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2    4 weeks ago

You are only an example of what I have been talking about. I will repeat it again, politics is a dirty business. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @8.2.1    4 weeks ago
You are only an example of what I have been talking about.

LOL. You are only of those people who think the Democrats are just the same as and as bad as Trump. It is absurd. Please give us the name of some Democrats in high office that you think are as bad as Trump, and we can google them and compare. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.2.3  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.2    4 weeks ago

No John, I am pretty much done with you on this subject.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.2.4  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2    4 weeks ago
Donald Trump is a chronic pathological liar. He has been all his life. There is nothing mysterious about it at all.  If you start by disbelieving everything he says you will be much much closer to the truth than if you believe anything he says. 

And voters knew Donald Trump was a pathological liar before he won the Republican nomination in 2016.  The voters knowingly and deliberately chose a pathological liar to be President.  The voters decided that a pathological liar was preferable to a Reagan Democrat.

Pointing out that Donald Trump is a pathological liar is only singing to the choir.  That isn't telling anyone more than what they already know.  Democrats aren't going to be competitive by pointing out the obvious.  And Democrats are likely going to lose another election if they keep singing the praises of Ronald Reagan.

Democrats keep offering financial solutions for fundamental problems.  That's the Reagan political legacy and Democrats are desperately trying to defend and protect that Reagan political legacy.  A marriage between government and the financial sector isn't an alternative to Trump.

Trickle down Democrats are frauds.  If Democrats want to be competitive they need to offer alternatives that don't depend upon making the rich richer.

 
 
 
pat wilson
8.2.5  pat wilson  replied to  Nerm_L @8.2.4    4 weeks ago
And voters knew Donald Trump was a pathological liar before he won the Republican nomination in 2016.

And REPUBLICANS knew Donald Trump was a pathological liar before he won the Republican nomination in 2016.

You can't put this fiasco on anyone else. Republicans could have picked :

Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Carly Fiorina
Jim Gilmore
Lindsey Graham
Mike Huckabee
Bobby Jindal
John Kasich
George Pataki
Rand Paul
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Scott Walker

But no, they picked the worst possible choice. He's your daddy !

 
 
 
mocowgirl
8.2.6  mocowgirl  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.5    4 weeks ago
Republicans could have picked :

So why do you believe that the Repubican voters didn't pick a status quo politician?

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.2.7  Kathleen  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.5    4 weeks ago

I got news for you, I did pick one.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.2.8  Nerm_L  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.5    4 weeks ago
And REPUBLICANS knew Donald Trump was a pathological liar before he won the Republican nomination in 2016.

Yes, Republicans knew Trump was a pathological liar.  And Trump received very few endorsements from the Republican establishment.  Mitt Romney (the 2012 Republican candidate for President) was quite vocal in his opposition to Trump, as were other prominent Republicans.  The TEA Party faction of the Republican Party was also quite vocal in their opposition to Trump.  Trump wasn't the darling of Republican political donors, either.

And yet primary voters picked Trump instead of anyone else on the list.  That's the point, isn't it?

Even after Trump had won the nomination, the Republican opposition was threatening an independent challenge to Trump in hopes of splitting the Republican vote and deny Trump a chance to win the election.  Donald Trump had to defeat the Republican Party before he defeated the Democratic Party.

The Republican Party didn't hand Trump the Presidency; the voters deliberately elected Trump in spite of opposition from the Republican Party.

Democrats have been trying to punish voters since the 2016 election.  Somehow that doesn't seem like a winning strategy.  If voters were so stupid that they elected Trump then what does that say about the leadership of the Democratic Party who was so stupid they gave Hillary Clinton the nomination in spite of voter opposition?  Bernie Sanders was a competitive challenger to Hillary Clinton?  How the hell did the DNC, super delegates, and Democratic donors miss that?

Hillary Clinton is the Democrat's mommy.  Don't blame voters for the stupid choices made by true blue Democrats.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.2.9  Nerm_L  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.5    4 weeks ago
But no, they picked the worst possible choice. He's your daddy !

BTW, I supported Bernie Sanders.  The state where I live chose Sanders to be the Democratic nominee.  I voted for Sanders in the general election with a write-in, too.  No, my vote wasn't wasted since Clinton didn't win.  Anybody but Clinton.

(The state where I live also chose Marco Rubio to be the Republican nominee.  So, yes, Republicans did choose others on the list.  Trump wasn't handed the Republican nomination; unlike Clinton who was given the Democratic nomination by super delegates before any primary votes were cast.  The 2016 Democratic primaries were a fraud, a sham, and a lie.)

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.10  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.2    4 weeks ago

All of them are worse than Trump.I bet you would want to use google and their skewed search results you can't look up anything with a negative story about  popping up.

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.11  MUVA  replied to  Nerm_L @8.2.9    4 weeks ago

Why would you support Bernie?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.2.12  Nerm_L  replied to  MUVA @8.2.11    4 weeks ago
Why would you support Bernie?

Sanders promised to break up the big banks.  Sanders promised to regulate finance.  Sanders promised to tax finance.

Sanders was a one-tune candidate.  But that one-tune was far, far better than Clinton's song and dance.

Why would I vote for a candidate whose husband repealed Glass-Steagall, handed control of the economy to the financial sector, and opened the borders for trade based on currency exchange rates?  Why would I vote for a Clinton that advocates more open border free trade, more financial globalization, and disparages manufacturing? 

Why should I vote for another Reagan Democrat?

 
 
 
pat wilson
8.2.13  pat wilson  replied to  mocowgirl @8.2.6    4 weeks ago

I have no idea, it was the stupidest thing to happen in politics that I've ever seen.

 
 
 
pat wilson
8.2.14  pat wilson  replied to  Kathleen @8.2.7    4 weeks ago

The republican majority picked trump.

 
 
 
pat wilson
8.2.15  pat wilson  replied to  Nerm_L @8.2.8    4 weeks ago

Hell, I would have picked Sponge Bob Square Pants over trump.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.2.16  Nerm_L  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.15    4 weeks ago
Hell, I would have picked Sponge Bob Square Pants over trump.

I didn't pick Trump; I picked Bernie Sanders.  But I admit I'm satisfied with how the election turned out.  'Anybody but Clinton' really means what it says.

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.2.17  Kathleen  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.14    4 weeks ago

One of the reasons I believe is that he was not the typical politician.  I think after so many years of it, some of the voters were tired of it.  They wanted something different. Plus it usually alternates parties each election. That is nothing new. Frankly, I think everyone has the right to pick who they want.  That is what living in this country is all about.

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.18  MUVA  replied to  Nerm_L @8.2.12    4 weeks ago

There is no way in hell I would vote for a socialist especially Sander he is worse type of political hack.But I say vote for who you want unlike some I wouldn't attack you for voting for who you want.    

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.19  MUVA  replied to  Kathleen @8.2.17    4 weeks ago

Exactly plus just think of the people pointing a finger that voted for Clinton twice and his corrupt wife when she won office then again when she ran for president..

 
 
 
mocowgirl
8.2.20  mocowgirl  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.13    4 weeks ago
I have no idea,

Wouldn't it be beneficial to the success of our country to ask questions and understand why there were so many conservative voters fed up with the status quo politicians of this country?

Could some of the factors be stagnant wages, little to no job growth except in low paying service sector jobs, endless war, rising taxes, healthcare costs that made even essential care a luxury?  

I recently read an article about the 140+% turnover in fast food employees.  It was stated that even with better wages and benefits, it would still be an ongoing problem to keep staff because people in the US look down on people who do menial tasks regardless of how necessary the task is.

Attitude towards others matter.  Politicians are usually not a member of the average American class and rarely have been.  I have my doubts that is would really be beneficial if they were.  However, since the system is supposedly set up that they are our "servants", it would probably behoove them to occasionally toss the working class in the US some support.

For decades, the politicians have supported Wall Street in a mostly bipartisan manner.  The taxpayers are paying private companies to even fight our wars, torture our prisoners and churches to distribute welfare benefits and oversee adoptions.  

There has been legislation passed that has very detrimental to Main Street that Main Street is probably largely unaware of or doesn't understand.   The working class is angry and that is in a bipartisan manner, also.  

It is going to get much worse if Main Street is not taken care of instead of Wall Street.

Blaming Main Street for getting screwed by Wall Street politicians doesn't seem productive or fair.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8.2.21  KDMichigan  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.5    4 weeks ago
But no, they picked the worst possible choice. He's your daddy !

And Democrats picked the corrupt bitch Hillarious Hillary Clinton. How did that work out for them ?

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.22  MUVA  replied to  mocowgirl @8.2.20    4 weeks ago

I agree with most of your statement as a small business owner I don't want people making decisions for my business  that don't believe I actually  built my business. I would say most of the left's politicians are lifers that have spent little to no time running  a  business in the private sector.

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.23  MUVA  replied to  KDMichigan @8.2.21    4 weeks ago

She lost jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.2.24  JohnRussell  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.13    4 weeks ago

What is happening in the country today is the biggest bamboozling effort in the history of America. 

According to these people, the president of the United States doesnt have to be moral, doesnt have to be ethical, doesnt have to be non-bigoted, doesnt even have to be intelligent, all the president has to do, to be acceptable to lead our country, is oppose the Democrats. 

It is ABSURD, as they will find out next November. 

The GOP and Trumpsters want to drag the US presidency completely into the gutter. . 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.2.25  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @8.2.17    4 weeks ago
They wanted something different. Plus it usually alternates parties each election. That is nothing new. Frankly, I think everyone has the right to pick who they want.  That is what living in this country is all about.

You elected a pathological liar. Seriously, I want you to tell me, and all of us, what is ok about that. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8.2.26  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.25    4 weeks ago
Seriously, I want you to tell me, and all of us, what is ok about that. 

He's doing what he promised to do, unlike the typical political liar promising the world and delivering less than a speck of dust.

I remember a certain former politician who was going to focus like a laser on something, until a new shiny object caught his eye, and he was going to focus like a laser on that, until...  well, you get the idea.

Great economy.

Phenomenal job creation and employment rates.

Trashing America hurting trade deals and renegotiating those deals to help america.

Not accepting as the responsibility of America to trash our economy on the altar of 'climate change'.

But you already know all of that.  It's simply your abject vitriolic hatred of Donald Trump and any and all of those that support him that gives you any joy in life.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8.2.27  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.24    4 weeks ago
The GOP and Trumpsters want to drag the US presidency completely into the gutter. . 

Actually, that would be a step up from the sewer that Obama dragged us into.

But, fear not JR, our economy is the envy of the world and is essentially the only glimmer of hope the global economy has right now as it's helping to buoy the others.

Our allies and friends know we have their back as Trump does not draw red lines in the sand and watch them blow away as his predecessor did.  

They know they're dealing with a non-conventional politician as he is not a politician, but a businessman who detests the status quo and actually demands action and results.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8.2.28  XDm9mm  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.5    4 weeks ago
He's your daddy !

Not our daddy.....   he's actually doing what the others didn't have the balls to do.  Stand up to the other political asswipes spewing more of their lies to get elected.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.2.29  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @8.2.26    4 weeks ago

Anyone who supports Donald trump accepts having a serial liar and unethical scumbag in our highest office. Trump is a criminal. You are happy with a crook as president? 

I am not asking you to vote for a Democrat. Find a decent person to carry your conservative banner. Is that so fricking hard to do that you have to settle for Trump? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8.2.30  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.29    4 weeks ago
Find a decent person to carry your conservative banner. Is that so fricking hard to do that you have to settle for Trump? 

I vote for the best available candidate.  In 2016, that was Trump, and he has kept his campaign promises to the best of his ability.

Maybe you should concern yourself with providing a viable alternative to Donald Trump that will not destroy the economy of this country, and make us nothing more than clerks and delivery people for the products we buy that will be made anywhere but here.    Maybe you should concern yourself with a candidate that actually believe a nation has a right, no, an obligation to secure it's own borders for the benefit of the people born here and that legally migrate here according to the laws of our country.  Maybe you should concern yourself with a candidate that speaks to all Americans all the time rather than ones that speak to the specific demographic they happen to be pandering to at that moment.

 
 
 
pat wilson
8.2.31  pat wilson  replied to  mocowgirl @8.2.20    4 weeks ago

Much of what you say is true but picking trump to be the hero isn't working out too well.

Unemployment is down because many are working two or more minimum wage jobs and barely making ends meet.

The idea that manufacturing is coming back to America is one of the biggest lies yet. Unskilled labor will disappear due to robotics. What then ? 

How was voting for a lying, tv game show host supposed to fix any of those problems ?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8.2.32  XDm9mm  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.31    4 weeks ago
Unemployment is down because many are working two or more minimum wage jobs and barely making ends meet.

You really need to understand how unemployment is calculated.

The idea that manufacturing is coming back to America is one of the biggest lies yet.

Tell that to those getting jobs in repatriated industries.

Unskilled labor will disappear due to robotics. What then ? 

We'll do more of what President Trump has gotten with the help of industry.  Job training and apprenticeships.   What else do you suggest?

How was voting for a lying, tv game show host supposed to fix any of those problems ?

What was accomplished by his predecessor when the 'focused like a laser' on the latest shiny object to catch his eye?   At lease Trump is in fact accomplishing many of his campaign promises, without the help of the majority of Democrats.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.2.33  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @8.2.30    4 weeks ago

If you cant find a Republican who isnt a lifelong liar and psychologically disturbed scumbag to be your candidate I feel sorry for that party. 

It is absurd to say that we need Trump to lead this country. Completely and totally absurd. 

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.34  MUVA  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.31    4 weeks ago

1 out of every 13 workers works two jobs AOC was wrong everyone one only counts once it doesn't matter how many jobs you work.

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.35  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.29    4 weeks ago

I'll do that when the democrats stop running their lying pieces of shit hey pot meet kettle.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.2.36  JohnRussell  replied to  MUVA @8.2.35    4 weeks ago
I'll do that when the democrats stop running their lying pieces of shit hey pot meet kettle.

No one else on earth displays the psychological disturbances that Trump shows us every single day. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
8.2.37  pat wilson  replied to  XDm9mm @8.2.32    4 weeks ago
Tell that to those getting jobs in repatriated industries.

Name those industries please.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
8.2.38  mocowgirl  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.31    4 weeks ago
Much of what you say is true but picking trump to be the hero isn't working out too well.

Who was the anti status quo candidate that would have benefited Main Street instead of Wall Street?

Who was the last POTUS that did not represent Wall Street instead of Main Street?

It had to be before Reagan's trickle down.

Unskilled and SKILLED labor is disappearing because of robotics.  This will continue to happen for many reasons.  Who was the politician who addressed this fact in 2016?  Who is the politician that is addressing this fact today?  Possibly Yang.  Yang is being ignored.  Why?  Status quo politicians and politics are not going to benefit US citizens by continuing to privatize government services and export all jobs in the quest for the cheapest labor on the world market.

The system currently is creating poverty or extreme wealth.  Where are politicians who are seeking to rein in the corruption of the past administrations that have brought the US to this point?  

Why should anyone, of any political affiliation,  support the status quo when it is creating more poverty in the US?

IMO, we need an FDR personality with a vision for the future that addresses current issues with an eye to the future.

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.39  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.36    4 weeks ago

Chuck u Schumer is his equal as is Warren or squatting dog if you like. 

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.40  MUVA  replied to  mocowgirl @8.2.38    4 weeks ago

The reason we are in the boat we are in now is because of FDR no thanks I'll take a small government solution. 

 
 
 
mocowgirl
8.2.41  mocowgirl  replied to  MUVA @8.2.40    4 weeks ago
is because of FDR

in what way?

 
 
 
mocowgirl
8.2.42  mocowgirl  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.37    4 weeks ago
Name those industries please.

If you are interested there is a fairly decent article at the link below.  I was surprised by some of it, but I knew that some manufacturers wanted to come back to the US because of rising labor costs outside the US, transportation costs and supply chain issues.

In today's world, consumers want it within a day or two, and retail stores want it "just in time" so it is on their shelves and not in a warehouse for weeks on end.

I used to work for Wally World corporate in transportation and later, a few vendors.  It could be a nightmare working for either trying to avoid overstocks and product shortages because no one wanted to have minimum inventory on hand.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-12-26/trump-hypes-jobs-relocating-back-us-are-they

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
8.2.43  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.24    4 weeks ago

Well said. I'm stunned by the huge moral downfall of the GOP during my lifetime. If someone had told me this would happen a few decades ago, I would have laughed because I couldn't have imagined it. I thought it was bad when I stopped considering myself REP and changed to IND. Since then, it's grown steadily worse to the point I worry our democracy won't survive.

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
8.2.44  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley  replied to  mocowgirl @8.2.42    4 weeks ago

Hi. I'm glad to see you. I agree. We need a new way of going forward, a way that helps everyone and not just the rich.

I remember my brother warning (back in the1960s) that exporting jobs would lead to economic problems here. He was right. I try to buy American, but it's hard when most places are still buying overseas. Even when you think you're buying American, like in cars, you're not because so many of the parts come from elsewhere.

I don't think tariffs are the answer though because that drives prices up and collapses entire communities dependent upon one income stream.

The answer would be for companies to focus on manufacturing here, but it would take a lot of consumer pressure over a long period of time to make that viable.

 
 
 
MrFrost
8.2.45  MrFrost  replied to  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley @8.2.44    4 weeks ago

The answer would be for companies to focus on manufacturing here, but it would take a lot of consumer pressure over a long period of time to make that viable.

The problem is that industries that rely on manufacturing are turning to automation as much as they can to cut costs.Which is another reason why giving corporate tax cuts, (AKA trickle down economics), is just screwing the middle class even more.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
8.2.46  pat wilson  replied to  mocowgirl @8.2.42    4 weeks ago

Thank you. The article is a bit of a mixed bag.

Paul said this trend began about a decade ago . Moser, who also assists companies with information about the benefits of shifting work to the US, said President Barack Obama got the ball rolling.

“He [President Obama] used to call it ‘insourcing,’” said Moser. “He started a program of increasing our skilled workforce of apprenticeship programs and certificates. He did many useful things.”

It’s a small success story. But not isolated — US manufacturing jobs have slowly been ticking upward  since 2009. But so are imports of foreign-made goods : The US now imports more goods from China than ever before.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
8.2.47  mocowgirl  replied to  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley @8.2.44    4 weeks ago
We need a new way of going forward, a way that helps everyone and not just the rich.

Good to see you, too.  I think of you often and hope that you are experiencing happiness.  I mostly avoid political discussions about specific politicians because it is not healthy for me mentally or physically.  

I hated to see manufacturing leave the US because of the economic devastation to workers.  OTOH, I was happy to export the pollution.  I realize this is completely selfish, but we are poisoning ourselves out of existence in the US with our complete disregard for the environment.  I continually hope that we, as a species, can find a balance that allows a better life around the world.  I, also, have more confidence in other countries addressing and finding solutions to the problems that we ignore even after they bite us in the butt personally.

In the US, we like our cheap products that fill an emotional void temporarily before adding to the landfills that are turning into mountains outside of some of our cities.   I think I have seen designer clothing on citizens in African countries.  I am both dismayed at our excesses and thankful that at least someone in the world reaps some small benefit from some of it.

I work daily to be an optimist.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
8.2.48  mocowgirl  replied to  pat wilson @8.2.46    4 weeks ago
Thank you. The article is a bit of a mixed bag.

I find that true in a lot of things.  I try to maintain a balanced outlook on our economic situation.  I realize that I only know a small part of the behind the scenes transactions, but I do what my mind can handle these days.  I am in my 60s and try to spend more time reading for enjoyment than frustration.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
8.2.49  mocowgirl  replied to  mocowgirl @8.2.48    4 weeks ago

I am signing off to watch something on BritBox.  I enjoy seeing how the rest of the world entertains themselves via television.  LOL!

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.50  MUVA  replied to  mocowgirl @8.2.41    4 weeks ago

He started the slide to socialism. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
8.2.51  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.29    4 weeks ago

You would be unhappy with whoever the Republicans chose. Your hatred and anger with Trump is irrational and is not shared by the majority of the American people.

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
8.2.52  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley  replied to  Nerm_L @8.2.4    4 weeks ago
The voters knowingly and deliberately chose a pathological liar to be President. 

Actually, the voters picked Hillary by 3 million votes. The electoral college picked the idiot in the WH.

However, it isn't just about him. If he was the only problem, he couldn't do much harm because the Congress would work as a check and balance on him. They don't, and that's the real problem. McConnell has abdicated his duties and turned Congress into a presidential rubber stamp. That isn't good no matter who is in the WH. His abdication proves it doesn't work. It just makes things worse.

Voters need to stop buying into the "let's hate the other side" routine and start being Americans first, bipartisans second. No matter who our elected officials are, we need to become more proactive and demand they work for us, not their party. If we don't, we'll lose our democracy.

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
8.2.53  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley  replied to  mocowgirl @8.2.47    4 weeks ago
we like our cheap products that fill an emotional void temporarily before adding to the landfills

Isn't that the truth? I'm trying not to do that anymore. I'm not buying that way now, and I'm also getting rid of what I did buy in the past. But I make sure they (as much as I can) don't go to landfills. I donate them to charities that will redistribute what I don't want or need.

My last big bugaboos are books. I have so many and am trying not to add to them, but then a new and exciting author comes along with their siren song. It is so tempting. I am buying more ebooks, which helps, but there are some books that just feel like they deserve a physical presence. I'm also considering audio books. I'm not sure they'd be right for me though because I like to mark passages for later quotation or contemplation.

I've decided to move because it's just too built up around here now. I love the house but not what the community has become. So we're looking to move out into the boondocks, aka horse communities, where there's more room to enjoy being out with the horses. The traffic here now is just too dangerous for horses.

I agree about the environment. If we don't get our consumerism under control, we're going to doom every species on the planet, including ourselves. I'd like to think Americans would take pride in leading the charge, but it doesn't seem to be happening. Oh, well. If it takes the pressure of other nations to force us where we should go voluntarily, so be it.

I want it to happen no matter who the leaders are.

I suspect those leaders will be found in our younger generations since they've had to grow up amid the devastation we've caused. I love watching them begin to step up and make demands of their own. They're so much better informed than I was at their age. Makes me proud.

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
8.2.54  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley  replied to  MrFrost @8.2.45    4 weeks ago
industries that rely on manufacturing are turning to automation as much as they can

Of course, they are. They've been doing that since the Industrial Revolution and probably even before that. As a corporate accountant who specialized in keeping floundering companies afloat, I can see the practicalities in that. If the company doesn't survive financially, even more people would be out of jobs.

However, here's the good news: someone has to design, build, code, install, run, repair, etc all of that machinery and robotics. That's jobs created.

In the 1970s, BofA put out an article about how we need to look toward becoming a service economy in order to be prosperous in the future. I brought it to my business classes where most people weren't interested in discussing it.

Well, that future is here, and they were right. I took it to heart which is how I began being a "server" to companies in financial distress. I'm retired now, but I suspect there are reams of people just like me making a career out of the same needs today. As long as there is a government and money, accountants will have work.

So the trick is to look forward toward what jobs will be needed in the future, not back as what jobs were needed in yesteryear. Unfortunately, too many people are encouraged to look back because our training programs are stuck in the past rather than preparing us for the future.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.2.55  Nerm_L  replied to  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley @8.2.52    4 weeks ago
Actually, the voters picked Hillary by 3 million votes. The electoral college picked the idiot in the WH.

Republicans have been claiming government is the problem since Reagan was elected.  Democrats have been claiming the Constitution is the problem since the party was founded in 1828 by Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren.

However, it isn't just about him. If he was the only problem, he couldn't do much harm because the Congress would work as a check and balance on him. They don't, and that's the real problem. McConnell has abdicated his duties and turned Congress into a presidential rubber stamp. That isn't good no matter who is in the WH. His abdication proves it doesn't work. It just makes things worse.

Congress didn't work as a check and balance on prior Presidents.  The people in Congress only care about the next election (which happens every two years). 

Democrats sang a quite different tune when they rubber stamped President Obama and Republicans served as a check & balance.  

Voters need to stop buying into the "let's hate the other side" routine and start being Americans first, bipartisans second. No matter who our elected officials are, we need to become more proactive and demand they work for us, not their party. If we don't, we'll lose our democracy.

Political parties are trying to destroy our republic by creating a democracy.  Let that sink in.

 
 
 
bbl-1
8.3  bbl-1  replied to  Kathleen @8    4 weeks ago

Hillary baggage?  And that baggage would be what? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
8.3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  bbl-1 @8.3    4 weeks ago

Are you serious. It was one scandal after another. It was her sneering contempt for ordinary people. It was for all her lying and corruption. It was feeling of entitlement.. The list is long.

 
 
 
katrix
8.3.2  katrix  replied to  Greg Jones @8.3.1    4 weeks ago
It was one scandal after another. It was her sneering contempt for ordinary people. It was for all her lying and corruption. It was feeling of entitlement.. The list is long.

Sounds like you're talking about your orange god.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @8.3.1    4 weeks ago

What nonsense.  Rush Limbaugh and other right wing media basket cases conducted a long long smear campaign against Hillary Clinton. (How about 8 congressional hearings into Benghazi. Pearl Harbor, the 9/11 attacks,  and the Kennedy assassination werent investigated that much. )

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
8.4  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley  replied to  Kathleen @8    4 weeks ago
It’s hard to tell nowadays who is telling the truth, media, political figures and of corse people on social forums like this. I am a independent thinker, so I am not persuaded either way.  Politics is a dirty business, I think we can all agree on that.

I certainly agree with all of that. We also have to stir in Russian bots and propaganda. They're good at pretending to be us in an effort to drive us even further apart.

 
 
 
lady in black
10  lady in black    4 weeks ago

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Trout Giggles
11  Trout Giggles    4 weeks ago

Hi, Loretta! It's good to see you here.

 
 
 
Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley
11.1  seeder  Loretta Mashkawide'e Kemsley  replied to  Trout Giggles @11    4 weeks ago

Hey, its wonderful to see you too. Hope things are going well for you and I get to see more of you while I'm here.

 
 
 
It Is ME
12  It Is ME    4 weeks ago

ALL people should ask questions about their leaders.....but the right questions is what they should be asking !

Not some media driven conjectural question.

If the Country is doing terrible, ask Why ! If the Country is doing mediocre, ask Why. 

If the country is doing good, BE HAPPY (GIVEN: ALL will never be happy anyway) !

 
 
 
It Is ME
13  It Is ME    4 weeks ago

Magic Johnson estimates he has slept with more than 1,000 women, but has said that it was so many he lost count and had no idea which one of his trysts infected him with HIV......

BUT HE's a HERO to our kids ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

So a grab or two from Trump....really shouldn't bother folks !

So-Called Adults these days. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
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