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Fauci Tells Sunday News Show That He Thinks Millions Of Americans Will Get The Virus And Between 100 -200 Thousand Will Die

  

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By:  john-russell  •  4 years ago  •  175 comments

Fauci Tells Sunday News Show That He Thinks Millions Of Americans Will Get The Virus And Between 100 -200 Thousand Will Die
Fauci said he didnt believe either the worst case or best case scenarios and that the reality would be in the middle. So what is the "middle" to Fauci?   He said he thought there would be between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths, and "millions" of people who will get the virus. 

Jake Tapper of CNN asked Dr. Fauci what he thought the total number of Americans will be who contract CoVid 19.   Fauci said he didnt believe either the worst case or best case scenarios and that the reality would be in the middle. So what is the "middle" to Fauci? 

 He said he thought there would be between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths, and "millions" of people who will get the virus. 

What I take from this is that we are as a nation much more near the beginning of all this than the end. 

I think the time will come relatively soon when there will have to be the risk taken to "re-open" the economy.  I just wish that our leader was not a man who suggests the withholding of aid to states and localities that dont show him enough "appreciation".  

This is going to be a long slog.  We should have locked down the whole country and tested many more people than we have, and the federal government takes the blame for that. 


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    4 years ago

This started a couple months ago. How can a country like the US not have enough supplies by now? 

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.2  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago

"We should have locked down the whole country..."

That's how the spread is stopped with Fredo, the left's darling, very much opposed.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.1  Krishna  replied to  squiggy @1.2    4 years ago

"We should have locked down the whole country..."

That's how the spread is stopped with Fredo, the left's darling, very much opposed.

So was Trump...until, finally, his handlers got` through to him:

Trump’s Easter Restart Undone by His Experts’ Dire Virus Models

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    Fauci, Birx made Oval Office plea to maintain strict measures
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    Fresh data showed relaxing restrictions could be disastrous

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago
This started a couple months ago. How can a country like the US not have enough supplies by now?

The United States does not have enough supplies because the global supply chain collapsed.  The global supply chain does not have sufficient capacity to supply the world during a crisis.

Global interconnection is a competition between consumers in the global market place.  Those foreign suppliers have decided to protect their own countries rather than accept the highest bid from the United States.  This time the United States can't use money to force foreign suppliers into allowing their own people to suffer and die.

The United States cannot produce enough to support its own needs; let alone provide supplies to other countries.  The reason is simple.  The global technocratic experts have convinced us over the last 50 years that MAGA is stupid.  The United States is the richest country on the planet and can buy whatever we want, whenever we want.  

Even now the US economy is booming.  Just look at all the cash flowing into hospitals.  Look at all the people racking up $30,000+ hospital bills.  Even the dead must pay their hospital bills.  So, the thing to do is to tape $100 bills over your nose as a respirator and count those medical profits.

Even in the midst of a pandemic the United States is monetizing the crisis to privatize profits and socialize costs.  The problem is that foreign suppliers have decided to play by different rules.  Foreign suppliers have chosen to protect their own people rather than protect global greed.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.1  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3    4 years ago

Congratulate the side effects of capitalism.

Typical long drawn out plans of the bureaucracy, derailed not once but twice, by venors being swallowed by larger and larger medical device companies.

Somewhere we have orders of ventilators being made or shipped, lost in the red tape of mergers, Covidien decided that the previous contract wasn't profitable enough for them to proceed with, besides, they made the larger more complicated, more profitable models already.  Project cancelled, rebid and awarded to Phillips who already had a product line of ventlators but due to the demand of "portable and less expensive" developed a new ventilator, approved by the FDA in July of 2019.

The "government" order 10,000 in December 2019.  None delivered yet, expectation is "mid year 2020".

Gotta love the system.  From 2006 to 2020, zero ventilators delivered.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.3  Split Personality  replied to  dennis smith @1.3.2    4 years ago

Yeah the one who said we didn't need a pandemic team sitting around doing nothing?

Did you read the article Snuffy?

You think Obama should have stepped in when companies that held US Government contracts were merging?  Really?

Otherwise glad to see we agreed on something. /s

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.3.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Split Personality @1.3.1    4 years ago
The "government" order 10,000 in December 2019.  None delivered yet, expectation is "mid year 2020".

Actually the government placed the order in 2008 by forming a government/business partnership.  The government was working with Newport Medical to design a ventilator and build the factory to produce ventilators for the national stockpile.  Those types of government/business partnerships are common practice for government procurement.  EPA, DoT, and DoD use government/business partnerships quite frequently.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.3.5  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3    4 years ago
That's how the spread is stopped with Fredo, the left's darling, very much opposed.

Apparently there are a few things you are forgetting...

Don't you remember any of this???

Trump Campaign Threatens Legal Action Of Coronavirus Ad

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Nerm_L
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1.3.6  Nerm_L  replied to  Krishna @1.3.5    4 years ago
Apparently there are a few things you are forgetting... Don't you remember any of this???

How has the bureaucracy performed during the pandemic?  Was the CDC ready?  Was FEMA ready?  Were the various institutes under the NIH umbrella ready?  Was the Dept. of Commerce ready?  Was the Federal Aviation Administration ready?  Were the various security agencies ready?   Was the Federal Reserve ready?

Dr. Fauci has been director of the NIAID since 1984.  Was the NIAID ready?

The Federal bureaucracy was in place long before Trump even began playing in politics.  And the Federal bureaucracy will remain long after Trump is removed from office.  Removing Trump won't hold the technocratic experts accountable.  Replacing Trump is not a fix.  Blaming Trump won't prepare the country for the next crisis.  

Congress is responsible for authorizing and funding the work of the Federal bureaucracy.  The President is not.  A President goes to war with the army he has but Congress is responsible for authorizing and funding the army.  And many members of Congress have been in Congress since Dr. Fauci was made director of the NIAID.

At the beginning of this crisis, Congress was preoccupied with removing Trump from office.  A President can't assume dictatorial powers in the middle of a trial to remove the President from office.  And Congress wasn't preparing itself to enact emergency legislation that authorized and funded an early response to COVID-19.  Congress was laser focused on either removing Trump or exerting more control over Trump.  

The complaints being made against Trump is that he has not been dictatorial enough; Trump has not been sufficiently authoritarian.  The complaints are that Trump didn't close the borders sooner, did not restrict internal movement sooner, and did not nationalize industries sooner.  But the nature of those complaints are really arguing that Trump did not transform the United States into a fascist or communist country to address the pandemic.  And Trump attempting to assume more dictatorial power while being impeached would have resulted in the United States being even less prepared; Congress would have erupted in a frenzy of political outrage and attempted to clamp down on Trump's use of power.

And if Congress had succeeded in removing Trump from office, the country would have been even more reliant upon the bureaucracy to manage the pandemic.  How has that bureaucracy performed during the pandemic?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.7  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.4    4 years ago
Actually the government placed the order in 2008 by forming a government/business partnership.  The government was working with Newport Medical to design a ventilator and build the factory to produce ventilators for the national stockpile.

Yes, Nerm, it was very well laid out in the link that we placed an order in 2008 with Newport.

I thought it was equally clear in the article that when Newport was acquired by Covidien that Covidien was not interested in making a cheaper ventilator that competed with it's own more established, higher priced, higher profit ventilator.

Covidien demanded more time & $1.4 million from the government, which it got, and still declined to build the ventilators, so both parties cancelled the contract.  Another typical loss for the taxpayer.

SO, per the article, in 2014 we gave Phillips a 13.8 million dollar contract, for the Trilogy Evo, which were only tested and approved by the FDA last July.

Delivery is expected in June of 2020

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.3.8  Nerm_L  replied to  Split Personality @1.3.7    4 years ago
Yes, Nerm, it was very well laid out in the link that we placed an order in 2008 with Newport.

The Federal bureaucracy that managed procurement of medical supplies in 2008 is managing procurement today.  What the article highlights is that the bureaucracy has not changed over the intervening years.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.6  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago

I didnt see any comments about it,  but Trump announced today that his social distancing policy will stay in place until April 30, and that he thinks that by June 1st the country will begin to return to normal.  These dates are far later than what he has been trying to assert before. 

I suspect the scientists and medical experts had to sit him down and acquaint with him with reality again, and his remarks today reflect that reality. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago

The original estimate was that 2 million would die:



Good job so far by the task force.


  How can a country like the US not have enough supplies by now? 

Obviously, we started from ground zero with supplies, but I have a few questions myself. How could a Governor who requested ventilators fail to realize that they had been delivered to a warehouse?  How could a hospital in NY, which is always busy, go from using & disposing about 20,000 masks a day suddenly start ordering 300,000 masks a day?  Has there been medical hoarding?  Has there been profiteering by medical sub contractors?

We learn as we go, John.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.7.1  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.7    4 years ago

How could a Governor who requested ventilators fail to realize that they had been delivered to a warehouse?  How could a hospital in NY, which is always busy, go from using & disposing about 20,000 masks a day suddenly start ordering 300,000 masks a day?  Has there been medical hoarding?  Has there been profiteering by medical sub contractors?

Fake Fucking News !

 
 
 
sixpick
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1.8  sixpick  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago
This started a couple months ago. How can a country like the US not have enough supplies by now? 

Well, let's start right here and see if we can start cramming some of the BS the media is trying to feed us right back down their throats.

Los Angeles Times and Bloomberg News : Federal stockpile of N95 masks was depleted under Obama and never restocked

By Emma Colton | March 23, 2020 10:23 AM

The national shortage of N95 respirator masks can be traced back to 2009 after the H1N1 swine flu pandemic, when the Obama administration was advised to replenish a national stockpile but did not, according to reports from Bloomberg News and the Los Angeles Times .

The Trump administration is scrambling to replenish a stockpile of protective medical gear for healthcare workers and patients as the coronavirus sweeps across the nation. N95 respirator masks are one of the most needed medical supplies amid the outbreak.

The George W. Bush administration published the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza plan in 2005, which called on the federal government to distribute medical supplies from the Strategic National Stockpile governed by the Health and Human Services Department in the event of an outbreak.

In 2009, the H1N1 outbreak hit the United States, leading to 274,304 hospitalizations, 12,469 deaths , and a depletion of N95 respirator masks.

A federally backed task force and a safety equipment organization both recommended to the Obama administration that the stockpile be replenished with the 100 million masks used after the H1N1 outbreak.

Charles Johnson, president of the International Safety Equipment Association, said that advice was never heeded.

“Our association is unaware of any major effort to restore the stockpile to cover that drawdown,” he said.

HHS Secretary Alex Azar reported last month that only 12 million N95 masks were available in the stockpile, “a tiny fraction of the 3.5 billion masks one of Azar’s deputies later testified the nation’s healthcare system would need,” the Los Angeles Times noted.

Bloomberg News reported similar findings last week, noting, "After the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog [of] orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply.”

Bloomberg reported that the Trump administration had asked construction companies to "donate their inventory of N95 masks to your local hospital and forgo additional orders of those industrial masks” and the Defense Department would provide 5 million N95 masks and 2,000 ventilators to help bridge the gap.

Johns Hopkins University’s coronavirus tracker reported 35,225 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. as of Monday.

Vice President Mike Pence, who heads the administration’s coronavirus task force, said on Sunday that a quarter-million people had been tested for the virus, with 9 out of 10 people testing negative.

"The FDA is working with manufacturers around the company to come up with faster, more innovative tests," he said.

Let's see what else this ole boy did and how he was treated.  I have plenty more, such as the CDC saying what they say today in April 2009 may be different tomorrow, since it's a changing scenario.  Want to see that video?  But here is Obama and here is the way the media treated him for doing nothing, not even answering questions.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2  devangelical    4 years ago
between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths

estimates were just under 2 million US deaths before the aggressive actions of some state governors took place

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.2  Nerm_L  replied to  devangelical @2    4 years ago
estimates were just under 2 million US deaths before the aggressive actions of some state governors took place

Really?  So, why is New York City the epicenter of the pandemic in the United States?  Redneck farmers and coal miners aren't spreading COVID-19 around the country.  It's the sophisticated cosmopolitans that carry death with them wherever they travel.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2    4 years ago

I think your'e on to something! Frequent fliers!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.12  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.10    4 years ago
I reminded them that almost all of their food supplies were trucked in from those "hick country bumpkin" places they laughed at.

Are country bumpkins required to produce food?  If there were no country bumpkins some other type of people would be growing food.   Vegetables dont care who grows them. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.2.15  Nerm_L  replied to    4 years ago
It's those 'sophisticated cosmopolitans' that are the very ones behind our economic engine that allows those in rural areas a market for their produce, coal, lumber, etc.etc.etc. NYC is essential to the entire country's economic structure, much more so than D.C. or any rural burg you care to cite. That doesn't happen in a vacuum

Yeah?  That's quite a statement to make when money can't buy a ventilator, disposable mask, or plastic apron.  If the factories had been built in rural America, where the pandemic is spreading slower, then maybe that empty claim would hold water.

The country has suddenly become dependent upon manufacturing.  The country desperately needs those jobs that are never coming back.  Foreign countries have decided to protect their own populations instead of protecting the global greed of sophisticated cosmopolitans.  

Farmers are still farming.  Loggers are still logging.  Miners are still mining.  Truckers are still driving.  It's the sophisticated cosmopolitans who are huddled in their four walls waiting for someone to save them.

The thread that is holding together the American way of life, at the moment, are under paid, unskilled, uneducated workers stocking shelves.  The least among us have become the highest.  Seems rather Biblical, doesn't it?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.2.21  Nerm_L  replied to    4 years ago
Along with the medical caregivers on the front-lines, woefully under-supplied and putting their very lives at risk on a 24/7 basis and perhaps one day soon caring for those stocking shelves

Who apparently don't have the basic skill set to make do with what they have.  The lessons of the Great Depression still survive in rural America.

This isn't a urban vs. rural battle, and apologies for somehow sending the discussion down that track. Not sure how stating a rather easy to understand fact is misconstrued as an attack...perhaps a sad reflection on how we choose to negotiate these difficult times.

Well, that's true this isn't an urban/rural battle.  The distinction is the attitude of sophisticates compared to the attitude of ordinary people.  There needs to be a recognition that ordinary people have become accustomed to having to make do with what they have.  There won't be a national effort to save rural America or ordinary people.  And the governor of a rural state will never be seen as a hero; he's just a hick.  We saw that attitude with the dismissal of Pete Buttigieg.  I mean, Buttigieg was mayor of a hick town; how can he compare himself to the great Michael Bloomberg?

This is simply a battle versus a virus and it will take all parties, working in concert, to mitigate the effects.

Working in concert to save the big cities.  News organizations aren't going to report from some hick town unless a tornado wipes it off the map.  Those big city hospitals might learn something from country doctors.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.23  author  JohnRussell  replied to    4 years ago

I'm just stating a fact. Anyone can grow vegetables. You have to know how to do it, but you dont have to be "rural" to do it. Just like you dont have to be a city person to know how to use a computer. 

 
 
 
lady in black
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2.2.27  lady in black  replied to    4 years ago

I live near Buffalo, NY and there are plenty of farms within a half hour of me. What, you think anyone that lives near a bigger city can't get farm products...someone where I work has a family farm.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.2.28  Nerm_L  replied to    4 years ago
We may engage in a pissing match on this forum as to whom is to blame, or the 'sophisticates' attitudes vs. those of 'ordinary' people (whatever meaningless social commentary that entails). In facing this threat, we are label-less as the virus could care less about who it infects.

It's not a matter of blame.  The attitude of sophisticates is an obstacle that impedes addressing problems in rural areas.  That attitude needs to change for a collaborative effort to be effective.  If it's all take and no give then it isn't a collaborative effort.

Rest assured, when the pandemic hits the rural states, which every indication shows it will, every effort to treat those will be met with the same sense of urgency as we currently see in NYC...not because of the geography, social status, or wealth...because that is what we do.

Not will; has.  Our local hospital (in a community of 15,000) reported 10 cases with symptoms hospitalized and 3 cases with symptoms quarantined a little over two weeks ago.  I haven't heard where we're at now since news travels slowly.  Since the community is small, it's not as high a priority as metropolitan areas in the state for testing.  Our local hospital is going to have to make do with what it has; unless the big city hospitals raid the supplies.

We're under lock down, too.

 
 
 
lady in black
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2.2.31  lady in black  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.29    4 years ago

Hate to burst your bubble, but this past winter was quite mild, only had to use the snow blower 3 times (I did one, and between my 2 neighbors they each did it once). 

Buffalo and it's suburbs is also known as the City of Good Neighbors

I know we are not NYC but you make it sound like any big city doesn't have access to farms.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2.32  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2    4 years ago
Redneck farmers and coal miners aren't spreading COVID-19 around the country.  It's the sophisticated cosmopolitans that carry death with them wherever they travel.

Not exactly.

Its really quite simple (I'm surprised you didn't know this):

Its actually because "Redneck farmers and coal miners" don't travel around the country (and the world!) nearly as much as "sophisticated cosmopolitans" do!

Were you really unaware of that? Or were you hoping that no one else here knew that simple fact?

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.2.33  cjcold  replied to    4 years ago

Actually most commercially grown agriculture is now grown by corporate farms and not "country bumpkins". Family farms are rapidly dying out.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  Buzz of the Orient    4 years ago

It's kind of amazing, then, isn't it, that in China with a population almost 5 times that of the USA, where it was not controlled well at the beginning, that there were about 81,000 cases, about 3,300 deaths and only around 6,000 have not yet recovered.  Fauci doesn't have much faith in America's capability in containing it.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.3  devangelical  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    4 years ago
It's kind of amazing, then, isn't it, that in China with a population almost 5 times that of the USA, where it was not controlled well at the beginning, that there were about 81,000 cases, about 3,300 deaths and only around 6,000 have not yet recovered.

says who?

 
 
 
squiggy
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3.4  squiggy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    4 years ago

"Cuomo also said of the potential “enforceable quarantine … I don’t even know what that means. I don’t know how that could be legally enforceable. And from a medical point of view I don’t know what you would be accomplishing.

“But I can tell you I don’t even like the sound of it. Not even understanding what it is, I don’t even like the sound of it.”"

...and that's why containment in USA is like nailing jello to a tree. In the rain.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    4 years ago
It's kind of amazing, then, isn't it, that in China with a population almost 5 times that of the USA, where it was not controlled well at the beginning, that there were about 81,000 cases, about 3,300 deaths and only around 6,000 have not yet recovered.  Fauci doesn't have much faith in America's capability in containing it.

China doesn't have a shortage of drugs, protective gear, or medical supplies because China produces that stuff.  China can build hospitals in days because China produces construction materials.  China has a workforce that actually does manual labor and builds things.

It's the consumer economies that will suffer most during this pandemic.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.5.1  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @3.5    4 years ago
China can build hospitals in days because China produces construction materials.  China has a workforce that actually does manual labor and builds things.

Good point!

Because regardless of Trump's boasts about how wonderful America has become, the fact is-- the U.S. actually does not produce construction material-- none!

And unfortunately under Trump the American workforce has become fat and lazy (just like Trump himself!)....the American worker doesn't do any manual labour (also just like the Trumpster-- none! And since Trump took office-- American construction workers never build "things". 

They mostly sit around on their 2 hour long lunch hours eating their typical Snowflake Tofu lunches, drinking beer, and saying fresh things to the women passing by in the street!

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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3.6  Drakkonis  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    4 years ago
It's kind of amazing, then, isn't it, that in China with a population almost 5 times that of the USA, where it was not controlled well at the beginning, that there were about 81,000 cases, about 3,300 deaths and only around 6,000 have not yet recovered.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. It must be the shining path of Communism that has defeated this scourge! 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.7  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    4 years ago

The Chinese numbers are only off by a factor of 15-40 according to scientists in the UK 🇬🇧 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.7.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.7    4 years ago

Have you no idea how ridiculous that comment is?  

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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3.7.2  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.7.1    4 years ago

Newsweek is reporting. 

"A stack of urns at a funeral home in Wuhan, the city's official cremation rates, and reports of an overwhelmed health care system have prompted speculation that Wuhan's real COVID-19 death toll could be in the tens of thousands—despite the Chinese government reporting 2,535 deaths from just over 50,000 coronavirus infections."

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.7.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.7.2    4 years ago

All of China numbers are just over 80,000 cases, most of which have recovered, and 3300 deaths.  Otherwise you and the wild media can inflate the numbers all day but I know better, because the reported numbers of where I am are verified by a doctor I know who I have reason to believe.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.7.4  devangelical  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.7.3    4 years ago
verified by a doctor I know

... that hasn't disappeared or turned up dead of C-19 yet...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  author  JohnRussell    4 years ago

this is for proof of the accuracy of my article

The Associated Press
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Dr. Anthony Fauci says U.S. will have “millions of cases” of COVID-19 and more than 100,000 deaths. Fauci , the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, is the U.S. government’s foremost infectious disease expert.
 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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5  Dean Moriarty    4 years ago

With a population of 327,000,000 two hundred thousand fatalities is not bad. It is less than .1 percent of the population. 

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JohnRussell
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5.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    4 years ago

The U.S. is the wealthiest country in world history. We can afford to put business on hold to save hundreds of thousands of lives.  Without  the closing of restaurants, bars, tourist sites, and other non essential businesses, the death toll would be far greater and half the country would be infected. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.1.1  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    4 years ago
The U.S. is the wealthiest country in world history.

Which doesn't mean a lot when a lot of what we need is produced by other countries that need what they are producing as much as we do. If this virus teaches us anything other than what we need to be prepared for this it is that, strategically, we need to stop being a consumer nation and start producing things. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    4 years ago

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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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5.5  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    4 years ago
two hundred thousand fatalities is not bad

Nothing like the cleansing relief of culling the herd, right?  Do I even need to ask if there is a financial angle in your assessment?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.6  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    4 years ago

removed for context 

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.7  Krishna  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    4 years ago
two hundred thousand fatalities is not bad.

True. 

In fact its a blessing-- a worthy goal that hopefully the U.S. can emulate!

 
 
 
bugsy
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6  bugsy    4 years ago

I remember during one of the task force briefs about a week or so ago, Dr Brix said that the US death toll could be tens of thousands, but those numbers were spread out over this year, next year and 2121, which may be referencing a hundred year virus.

This could be the numbers Fauci was referring to, not deaths this year alone.

My personal opinion?

The media is hyping this to make it look as if this virus is far worse than anything we have ever seen. However, as Larry so nicely pointed out, we had about 80, 000 flu deaths in a year not long ago, far more than anything we have seen from this virus.

To put this in contrast, as of March 20 there are 125,000 confirmed cases of COVID 19 in the entire US. In comparison, there were 156,000 confirmed cases of the common flu in New York alone, both covering the same time frame (Mid december to March 20). Common sense says to take the same measures as the flu and be aware of your surroundings, but the media is making this look far worse than anything. 

 Yes, we MAY see these numbers Fauci was describing, but it could be that those numbers are spread over many years.

 
 
 
Krishna
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6.1  Krishna  replied to  bugsy @6    4 years ago
The media is hyping this to make it look as if this virus is far worse than anything we have ever seen

A very wise comment indeed! And unfortunately, very few Americans are wise enough to know that!

But fortunately there are a few-- wise folks who won't let the "Fake News" media stop them!

Louisiana Church Hosts Over 1,800 People Despite Social Distance Warning During Coronavirus Pandemic

Pastor Tony Spell said the healing hand of Jesus is how the pandemic should be handled.

 
 
 
Dig
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7  Dig    4 years ago
He said he thought there would be between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths, and "millions" of people who will get the virus.

Well, that's way down from the estimates before all of the stay at home orders and social distancing efforts. It's still pretty damn bad, though.

With hindsight being 20/20, we probably could have prevented most of the hospitalizations and deaths we've already had, along with the many we're still going to have, if we'd locked the entire country down for 2 or 3 weeks back in late January or early February.

A national 'staycation' if you will, for the entire population, with only essential services like hospitals, police, fire, and food delivery services left in operation (along with TV stations and streaming services, of course), and a requirement that people working in those services (or anyone else going out in public, for that matter) wear full-face respirators whenever they leave the house, to make it really, really hard for the virus to get into anyone's eyes, nose, or mouth.

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This virus could have possibly been nipped in the bud, at least within our own borders. Community spread could have been stopped, and anyone exposed prior to the lockdown would've had enough time for quarantine and treatment if necessary. Viral particles in public spaces everywhere would have been 'dead' and harmless by the end of the first week, probably.

The economy could have essentially been placed on pause, and then started back up again after the national Netflix binge fest. Perishables in stores and restaurants would probably have gone to waste, but surely we wouldn't have lost quite so many jobs, or needed to spend trillions in relief packages, not to mention that most of the people who have already died would still be alive.

Just think, it could have all been over by now. At least the worst of it. A few flare ups here and there might have required another localized shutdown or two, but still.

I know, I know. It might have been practically impossible to pull off, because hardly anybody was taking it seriously at the time. Hopefully we've learned something for the future, though.

Anyone planning on asking Santa for one of those full-face respirators this Christmas? If any are available by then, that is? Every last one that I've looked at online so far has been sold out.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7.1  Tacos!  replied to  Dig @7    4 years ago
if we'd locked the entire country down for 2 or 3 weeks back in late January or early February

As you indicate, there would have been zero political support for that at the time. Maybe if we had had some sense that it could be spread so easily by asymptomatic people, then we might have acted sooner. Maybe. 

Hopefully we've learned something for the future, though.

I think it's hard to know. No one wants to shut down normal life unnecessarily, and it's been pointed out many times (and to much criticism) that other diseases, like the flu, kill thousands of people every year. Even though it's a lower percentage, the flu has still killed way more people - so far - than Covid-19 has. And that happens every year.

 
 
 
Dig
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7.1.1  Dig  replied to  Tacos! @7.1    4 years ago
Even though it's a lower percentage, the flu has still killed way more people - so far - than Covid-19 has. And that happens every year.

Give it time. It's still on the march. It's moving into rural areas now, and rural areas are even less prepared to handle it than urban areas are, medically speaking. Large, well-equipped hospitals being fewer and farther between, I mean.

Speaking of the flu, the trauma from all of this might actually change things a bit going forward. People may become more concerned with vaccines every year, and may pay more attention to things like frequent hand washing and social distancing during the normal flu season.

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @7.1    4 years ago
As you indicate, there would have been zero political support for that at the time

Not surprising, as at the time, KellyAnne Conway said "We have it contained". Sean Hannity  informed his viewers that the whole thing was a hoax. And Rush Limbaugh let us know that it was really just "The Common Cold".

And people believed them....

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @7.1.2    4 years ago

And what were Democrats and their media saying? Impeachment Impeachment Impeachment.

Meanwhile, Trump and his administration were taking what limited action they reasonably could.

 
 
 
Cathar
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8  Cathar    4 years ago

Hoover had his " Hoovervilles" tRump will have his "tRumpvilles" which are the makeshift Hospitals in New York and elsewhere. He dithered and we pay for his fear, ignorance and above all incompetence. As tRump says now that losing 100,000 lives is not so bad.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.1  Texan1211  replied to  Cathar @8    4 years ago

Yeah, Trump should have built a bunch of hospitals 3 years ago on the chance of a little-known virus sweeping the globe.

I could just hear all the financial hawks bitterly complaining about the "unnecessary" expenditures.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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9  It Is ME    4 years ago

"Theories" …… can be so ….. UPLIFTING ? jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.1  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @9    4 years ago
"Theories" …… can be so ….. UPLIFTING ?

Yup.

Trump’s Easter Restart Undone by His Experts’ Dire Virus Models

March 30, 2020

  • Fauci, Birx made Oval Office plea to maintain strict measures
  • Fresh data showed relaxing restrictions could be disastrous
 
 
 
It Is ME
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9.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @9.1    4 years ago

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A "Wish" … isn't a "Theory" !

jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif ?

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.1.2  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.1    4 years ago
A "Wish" … isn't a "Theory" !

Ah...but here's the question that has haunted mankind since time immemorial... jrSmiley_27_smiley_image.gif

while a wish (or should I say "wish:"?) jrSmiley_101_smiley_image.gif

isn't a "Theory"... is a "Theory" actually a "Wish"? jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg ;

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It Is ME
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9.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @9.1.2    4 years ago

The "Doc" is wishing for 200 Grand jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif ?

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @9.1    4 years ago

Okay Dr, Fauci, the time has come.

Under the bus you go...!!!

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.1.5  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.3    4 years ago
The "Doc" is wishing for 200 Grand ?

Guess you're not hangin' out with The Family enuf . . .?

(Don't ya know its supposed to be "200 Large ".. not "200 Grand "?)

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It Is ME
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9.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @9.1.5    4 years ago

"Large" is just for "Back Alley Braggarts" . "Grand" is more "opulent sounding", and more "sophisticated" ! jrSmiley_43_smiley_image.gif

jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif ?

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.1.7  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.6    4 years ago
"Large" is just for "Back Alley Braggarts" . "Grand" is more "opulent sounding", and more "sophisticated" ! ?

Now that you've read the book...

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doncha think its time to actually see the movie? jrSmiley_94_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
It Is ME
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9.1.8  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @9.1.7    4 years ago
doncha think its time to actually see the movie?

You're doing just fine. You've "Sold" one Ticket ……. To YOURSELF ! jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

Great Job. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
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10  Krishna    4 years ago

How could a Governor who requested ventilators fail to realize that they had been delivered to a warehouse?  How could a hospital in NY, which is always busy, go from using & disposing about 20,000 masks a day suddenly start ordering 300,000 masks a day?  Has there been medical hoarding?  Has there been profiteering by medical sub contractors?

Fake Fucking News !

 
 

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