Fauci Tells Sunday News Show That He Thinks Millions Of Americans Will Get The Virus And Between 100 -200 Thousand Will Die

  
By:  john-russell  •  2 months ago  •  175 comments

Fauci Tells Sunday News Show That He Thinks Millions Of Americans Will Get The Virus And Between 100 -200 Thousand Will Die
Fauci said he didnt believe either the worst case or best case scenarios and that the reality would be in the middle. So what is the "middle" to Fauci?   He said he thought there would be between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths, and "millions" of people who will get the virus. 

Jake Tapper of CNN asked Dr. Fauci what he thought the total number of Americans will be who contract CoVid 19.   Fauci said he didnt believe either the worst case or best case scenarios and that the reality would be in the middle. So what is the "middle" to Fauci? 

 He said he thought there would be between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths, and "millions" of people who will get the virus. 

What I take from this is that we are as a nation much more near the beginning of all this than the end. 

I think the time will come relatively soon when there will have to be the risk taken to "re-open" the economy.  I just wish that our leader was not a man who suggests the withholding of aid to states and localities that dont show him enough "appreciation".  

This is going to be a long slog.  We should have locked down the whole country and tested many more people than we have, and the federal government takes the blame for that. 


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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    2 months ago

This started a couple months ago. How can a country like the US not have enough supplies by now? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago
How can a country like the US not have enough supplies by now? 

What supplies?   Oh, in case you haven't heard, there are other countries also looking to acquire the exact same supplies and equipment.  The companies that manufacture the equipment and supplies don't just open a door and have the stuff magically fall out.  It needs to be made and that requires other suppliers to provide the requisite pieces and parts.   It's really easy to understand if one has ever worked in industry, or held any job.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    2 months ago

Trump was crossing his fingers, for many weeks, hoping against hope that the corona virus would spare America. Why else do you think he made all the silly statements he made in February and early March?  They are on video, recorded for history.   Trump engages in "magical thinking" , which is boiled down 'if i keep saying to myself that something bad wont happen then it wont happen'. A lot of people think like that, but the president of the United States shouldnt have been one of them. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    2 months ago
Trump was crossing his fingers, for many weeks, hoping against hope that the corona virus would spare America. Why else do you think he made all the silly statements he made in February and early March?  They are on video, recorded for history.   

Here's a hint JR...  he had already stopped travel from China.  As to statements, what would you have liked him to say?  "There's a deadly virus ravaging China right now and we don't have the foggiest idea what it actually is as the Chinese are lying to us and the world about it, so you might be looking at an end of the world virus."  "Adios motherfuckers."

Trump engages in "magical thinking" , which is boiled down 'if i keep saying to myself that something bad wont happen then it wont happen'. A lot of people think like that, but the president of the United States shouldnt have been one of them. 

Yeah, it's so much better putting the people in immediate panic.  Thankfully people in power don't think like that.

 
 
 
lib50
1.1.4  lib50  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.3    2 months ago

How about he shuts the fuck up and listens to the EXPERTS who do plan for something exactly like this.  You know, those experts he let go a couple of years ago, and the one in China working with the Chinese on viruses brought home last year.  Trump doesn't know jackshit about viruses and prefers to go with his gut.  He ignored the start of this pandemic because it didn't fit with his alternate reality, allowing the virus to go for 2 months with very little done to mitigate it.  He will be the cause of deaths due to his ignorance and incompetence. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  lib50 @1.1.4    2 months ago
How about he shuts the fuck up and listens to the EXPERTS who do plan for something exactly like this.  You know, those experts he let go a couple of years ago, and the one in China working with the Chinese on viruses brought home last year.  Trump doesn't know jackshit about viruses and prefers to go with his gut.  He ignored the start of this pandemic because it didn't fit with his alternate reality, allowing the virus to go for 2 months with very little done to mitigate it.  He will be the cause of deaths due to his ignorance and incompetence. 

Blah, blah, blah.

No mater how many times your bullshit is refuted with facts, you continue to spew the balderdash and pabulum you've been spoon fed.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.6  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @1.1.4    2 months ago

They didn't have a plan or they had one and didn't inform the private sector of the plan so they could coordinate. 

 
 
 
loki12
1.1.7  loki12  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.3    2 months ago

XD, correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t it the low functionings Messiah Obama who said manufacturing was gone and never coming back? And these same douche bags leftest talking heads are screaming that we can’t manufacture what we need? FFS how stupid are they, why in the fuck would anyone sell us this equipment if they need it [themselves?deleted]

 
 
 
lib50
1.1.8  lib50  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.5    2 months ago

I posted FACTS.  You post Trump lies and bullshit. Trump DID let those very experts go. Here is a repeat of Bush's national strategy from 2006.  I know you won't look it up yourself so I made it so easy you have no excuse. Up first, the table of contents of the first 3 chapters on national responsibilities. 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/pandemic-influenza-implementation.pdf

CHAPTER 1 - EXECUTIVE SUMMAR Y ............................................................................................................................... ................. 1 THE P ANDEMIC THREA T ............................................................................................................ ................................................ 1 CHAPTER 2 - U .S. GO VERNMENT PLANNING FOR A P ANDEMIC ............................................................................. ........ 1 CHAPTER 3 - FEDERAL GO VERNMENT RESPONSE T O A P ANDEMIC .......................................................................... .... 2 CHAPTER 4 - INTERN ATION AL EFFOR TS .............................................................................................. .................................. 4 CHAPTER 5 - TRANSPOR TATION AND B ORDERS ......................................................................................... ......................... 6 CHAPTER 6 - PR OTECTING HUMAN HEAL TH ............................................................................................ ........................... 8 CHAPTER 7 - PR OTECTING ANIMAL HEAL TH ........................................................................................... .......................... 10 CHAPTER 8 - LA W ENFOR CEMENT , PUBLIC SAFETY , AND SECURITY ......................................................................... .. 12 CHAPTER 9 - INSTITUTIONS: PR OTECTING P ERSONNEL AND ENSURING CONTINUITY OF OP ERA TIONS ...... 13 CHAPTER 2 - U .S. GO VERNMENT PLANNING FOR A P ANDEMIC ............................................................................................. 15 THE P ANDEMIC THREA T ............................................................................................................ .............................................. 15 THE N ATION AL STRA TEGY FOR P ANDEMIC INFL UENZ A ................................................................................... .............. 16 IMPLEMENT ATION OF THE N ATION AL STRA TEGY ........................................................................................ .................... 17 NECESSAR Y EN ABLERS OF P ANDEMIC PREP AREDNESS .................................................................................... ................ 18 AD VANCING P ANDEMIC PREP AREDNESS ................................................................................................ ............................. 21 PLANNING ASSUMPTIONS ........................................................................................................... ............................................ 25 CHAPTER 3 - FEDERAL GO VERNMENT RESPONSE T O A P ANDEMIC ..................................................................................... 27 COMMAND , CONTR OL, AND CO ORDIN ATION OF THE FEDERAL RESPONSE ............................................................ 27 ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ..................................................................................................... ........................................... 29 FEDERAL GO VERNMENT A CTIONS DURING A PANDEMIC ................................................................................... .......... 30 SUMMAR Y OF FEDERAL GO VERNMENT ACTIONS DURING A P ANDEMIC .................................................................. 33

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-admin-ignored-obama-era-nsc-pandemic-prep-document-politico-2020-3

Read this.  Let us all know if we need to post what Obama left Trump and he ignored.  Want more?

https://apnews.com/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a

WASHINGTON (AP) — Public health and national security experts shake their heads when President Donald Trump says the coronavirus “came out of nowhere” and “blindsided the world.”

They’ve been warning about the next pandemic for years and criticized the Trump administration’s decision in 2018 to dismantle a National Security Council directorate at the White House charged with preparing for when, not if, another pandemic would hit the nation.

“It would be nice if the office was still there,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institute of Health, told Congress this week. “I wouldn’t necessarily characterize it as a mistake (to eliminate the unit). I would say we worked very well with that office.”

The NSC directorate for global health and security and bio-defense survived the transition from President Barack Obama to Trump in 2017.

Trump’s elimination of the office suggested, along with his proposed budget cuts for the CDC, that he did not see the threat of pandemics in the same way that many experts in the field did.

“One year later I was mystified when the White House dissolved the office, leaving the country less prepared for pandemics like COVID-19,” Beth Cameron, the first director of the unit, wrote in an op-ed Friday in The Washington Post.

She said the directorate was set up to be the “smoke alarm” and get ahead of emergencies and sound a warning at the earliest sign of fire — “all with the goal of avoiding a six-alarm fire.”

It’s impossible to assess the impact of the 2018 decision to disband the unit, she said. Cameron noted that biological experts remain at the White House, but she says it’s clear that eliminating the office contributed to what she called a “sluggish domestic response.” She said that shortly before Trump took office, the unit was watching a rising number of cases in China of a deadly strain of the flu and a yellow fever outbreak in Angola.

“It’s unclear whether the decision to disband the directorate, which was made in May 2018, after John Bolton became national security adviser, was a tactical move to downgrade the issue or whether it was part of the White House’s interest in simplifying and shrinking the National Security Council staff,” Cameron says.

The NSC during the Obama administration grew to about 250 professionals, according to Trump’s current national security adviser, Robert O’Brien. The staff has been cut to about 110 or 115 staffers, he said.
 
 
 
Tacos!
1.1.9  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    2 months ago
Trump was crossing his fingers, for many weeks, hoping against hope that the corona virus would spare America.

I see. And how do you explain the sickness and death throughout the rest of the world? Is that also "because Trump?"

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @1.1.4    2 months ago
How about he shuts the fuck up and listens to the EXPERTS who do plan for something exactly like this.

He clearly is. Even experts say he is. I would say if there is someone not listening to the experts, it might be you. You are demanding something that has already been happening. Is it better to just be outraged than to look at what is actually happening?

He ignored the start of this pandemic

He did not, but I can tell you who did. While Trump was restricting travel from China and his administration was declaring a public health emergency (in January), Democrats and their media were focused 24/7 on an impeachment trial - the outcome of which, everyone already knew very well.

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.1.11  Heartland American  replied to    2 months ago

You define progressives very well.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    2 months ago
rump engages in "magical thinking" , which is boiled down 'if i keep saying to myself that something bad wont happen then it wont happe

Like De Blasio telling people to go out and celebrate Chinese New Year in large crowds because corona virus wasn't contagious by touching surfaces or glancing contact between people at the same time Trump was stopping travel from China? That kind of wishful thinking?

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.13  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.10    2 months ago
He clearly is. Even experts say he is. I would say if there is someone not listening to the experts, it might be you.

But lib50 is not the president of the United States. Nor,in fact, does he hold any government office.

(Or does he...?)

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @1.1.4    2 months ago

He should never have disassembled the pandemic response team.  Things wouldn't have been so fucked up now and most people know that.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.15  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.14    2 months ago
He should never have disassembled the pandemic response team.

Fake Fucking News !

 
 
 
squiggy
1.2  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

"We should have locked down the whole country..."

That's how the spread is stopped with Fredo, the left's darling, very much opposed.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.1  Krishna  replied to  squiggy @1.2    2 months ago

"We should have locked down the whole country..."

That's how the spread is stopped with Fredo, the left's darling, very much opposed.

So was Trump...until, finally, his handlers got` through to him:

Trump’s Easter Restart Undone by His Experts’ Dire Virus Models

  •  
    Fauci, Birx made Oval Office plea to maintain strict measures
  •  
    Fresh data showed relaxing restrictions could be disastrous

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago
This started a couple months ago. How can a country like the US not have enough supplies by now?

The United States does not have enough supplies because the global supply chain collapsed.  The global supply chain does not have sufficient capacity to supply the world during a crisis.

Global interconnection is a competition between consumers in the global market place.  Those foreign suppliers have decided to protect their own countries rather than accept the highest bid from the United States.  This time the United States can't use money to force foreign suppliers into allowing their own people to suffer and die.

The United States cannot produce enough to support its own needs; let alone provide supplies to other countries.  The reason is simple.  The global technocratic experts have convinced us over the last 50 years that MAGA is stupid.  The United States is the richest country on the planet and can buy whatever we want, whenever we want.  

Even now the US economy is booming.  Just look at all the cash flowing into hospitals.  Look at all the people racking up $30,000+ hospital bills.  Even the dead must pay their hospital bills.  So, the thing to do is to tape $100 bills over your nose as a respirator and count those medical profits.

Even in the midst of a pandemic the United States is monetizing the crisis to privatize profits and socialize costs.  The problem is that foreign suppliers have decided to play by different rules.  Foreign suppliers have chosen to protect their own people rather than protect global greed.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.3.1  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3    2 months ago
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-us-tried-to-build-a-new-fleet-of-ventilators-the-mission-failed/ar-BB11RHeI?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Congratulate the side effects of capitalism.

Typical long drawn out plans of the bureaucracy, derailed not once but twice, by venors being swallowed by larger and larger medical device companies.

Somewhere we have orders of ventilators being made or shipped, lost in the red tape of mergers, Covidien decided that the previous contract wasn't profitable enough for them to proceed with, besides, they made the larger more complicated, more profitable models already.  Project cancelled, rebid and awarded to Phillips who already had a product line of ventlators but due to the demand of "portable and less expensive" developed a new ventilator, approved by the FDA in July of 2019.

The "government" order 10,000 in December 2019.  None delivered yet, expectation is "mid year 2020".

Gotta love the system.  From 2006 to 2020, zero ventilators delivered.

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.3.2  dennis smith  replied to  Split Personality @1.3.1    2 months ago

Spot on and who was the POTUS until 2016. The one who had 8 years to do something is much more  responsible than the one who just passed 3 years as POTUS and is now cleaning up the Obama mess.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.3.3  Split Personality  replied to  dennis smith @1.3.2    2 months ago

Yeah the one who said we didn't need a pandemic team sitting around doing nothing?

Did you read the article Snuffy?

You think Obama should have stepped in when companies that held US Government contracts were merging?  Really?

Otherwise glad to see we agreed on something. /s

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Split Personality @1.3.1    2 months ago
The "government" order 10,000 in December 2019.  None delivered yet, expectation is "mid year 2020".

Actually the government placed the order in 2008 by forming a government/business partnership.  The government was working with Newport Medical to design a ventilator and build the factory to produce ventilators for the national stockpile.  Those types of government/business partnerships are common practice for government procurement.  EPA, DoT, and DoD use government/business partnerships quite frequently.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.5  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3    2 months ago
That's how the spread is stopped with Fredo, the left's darling, very much opposed.

Apparently there are a few things you are forgetting...

Don't you remember any of this???

Trump Campaign Threatens Legal Action Of Coronavirus Ad

,

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.6  Nerm_L  replied to  Krishna @1.3.5    2 months ago
Apparently there are a few things you are forgetting... Don't you remember any of this???

How has the bureaucracy performed during the pandemic?  Was the CDC ready?  Was FEMA ready?  Were the various institutes under the NIH umbrella ready?  Was the Dept. of Commerce ready?  Was the Federal Aviation Administration ready?  Were the various security agencies ready?   Was the Federal Reserve ready?

Dr. Fauci has been director of the NIAID since 1984.  Was the NIAID ready?

The Federal bureaucracy was in place long before Trump even began playing in politics.  And the Federal bureaucracy will remain long after Trump is removed from office.  Removing Trump won't hold the technocratic experts accountable.  Replacing Trump is not a fix.  Blaming Trump won't prepare the country for the next crisis.  

Congress is responsible for authorizing and funding the work of the Federal bureaucracy.  The President is not.  A President goes to war with the army he has but Congress is responsible for authorizing and funding the army.  And many members of Congress have been in Congress since Dr. Fauci was made director of the NIAID.

At the beginning of this crisis, Congress was preoccupied with removing Trump from office.  A President can't assume dictatorial powers in the middle of a trial to remove the President from office.  And Congress wasn't preparing itself to enact emergency legislation that authorized and funded an early response to COVID-19.  Congress was laser focused on either removing Trump or exerting more control over Trump.  

The complaints being made against Trump is that he has not been dictatorial enough; Trump has not been sufficiently authoritarian.  The complaints are that Trump didn't close the borders sooner, did not restrict internal movement sooner, and did not nationalize industries sooner.  But the nature of those complaints are really arguing that Trump did not transform the United States into a fascist or communist country to address the pandemic.  And Trump attempting to assume more dictatorial power while being impeached would have resulted in the United States being even less prepared; Congress would have erupted in a frenzy of political outrage and attempted to clamp down on Trump's use of power.

And if Congress had succeeded in removing Trump from office, the country would have been even more reliant upon the bureaucracy to manage the pandemic.  How has that bureaucracy performed during the pandemic?

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.3.7  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.4    2 months ago
Actually the government placed the order in 2008 by forming a government/business partnership.  The government was working with Newport Medical to design a ventilator and build the factory to produce ventilators for the national stockpile.

Yes, Nerm, it was very well laid out in the link that we placed an order in 2008 with Newport.

I thought it was equally clear in the article that when Newport was acquired by Covidien that Covidien was not interested in making a cheaper ventilator that competed with it's own more established, higher priced, higher profit ventilator.

Covidien demanded more time & $1.4 million from the government, which it got, and still declined to build the ventilators, so both parties cancelled the contract.  Another typical loss for the taxpayer.

SO, per the article, in 2014 we gave Phillips a 13.8 million dollar contract, for the Trilogy Evo, which were only tested and approved by the FDA last July.

Delivery is expected in June of 2020

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.8  Nerm_L  replied to  Split Personality @1.3.7    2 months ago
Yes, Nerm, it was very well laid out in the link that we placed an order in 2008 with Newport.

The Federal bureaucracy that managed procurement of medical supplies in 2008 is managing procurement today.  What the article highlights is that the bureaucracy has not changed over the intervening years.

 
 
 
Suz
1.5  Suz  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

It makes you wonder why people didn't listen more carefully to the doomsday people who preached and prepared for such a time. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.5.1  Split Personality  replied to  Suz @1.5    2 months ago

Amen, Suz.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.5.2  cjcold  replied to  Suz @1.5    2 months ago

One positive is that some of the world's biggest greenhouse gas emitters have dropped their output markedly. Closed factories and reduced driving will do that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.6  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

I didnt see any comments about it,  but Trump announced today that his social distancing policy will stay in place until April 30, and that he thinks that by June 1st the country will begin to return to normal.  These dates are far later than what he has been trying to assert before. 

I suspect the scientists and medical experts had to sit him down and acquaint with him with reality again, and his remarks today reflect that reality. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

The original estimate was that 2 million would die:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8124327/Two-million-die-coronavirus-did-social-distancing-cut-that.html

Good job so far by the task force.


  How can a country like the US not have enough supplies by now? 

Obviously, we started from ground zero with supplies, but I have a few questions myself. How could a Governor who requested ventilators fail to realize that they had been delivered to a warehouse?  How could a hospital in NY, which is always busy, go from using & disposing about 20,000 masks a day suddenly start ordering 300,000 masks a day?  Has there been medical hoarding?  Has there been profiteering by medical sub contractors?

We learn as we go, John.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.7.1  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.7    2 months ago

How could a Governor who requested ventilators fail to realize that they had been delivered to a warehouse?  How could a hospital in NY, which is always busy, go from using & disposing about 20,000 masks a day suddenly start ordering 300,000 masks a day?  Has there been medical hoarding?  Has there been profiteering by medical sub contractors?

Fake Fucking News !

 
 
 
sixpick
1.8  sixpick  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago
This started a couple months ago. How can a country like the US not have enough supplies by now? 

Well, let's start right here and see if we can start cramming some of the BS the media is trying to feed us right back down their throats.

Los Angeles Times and Bloomberg News : Federal stockpile of N95 masks was depleted under Obama and never restocked

By Emma Colton | March 23, 2020 10:23 AM

The national shortage of N95 respirator masks can be traced back to 2009 after the H1N1 swine flu pandemic, when the Obama administration was advised to replenish a national stockpile but did not, according to reports from Bloomberg News and the Los Angeles Times .

The Trump administration is scrambling to replenish a stockpile of protective medical gear for healthcare workers and patients as the coronavirus sweeps across the nation. N95 respirator masks are one of the most needed medical supplies amid the outbreak.

The George W. Bush administration published the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza plan in 2005, which called on the federal government to distribute medical supplies from the Strategic National Stockpile governed by the Health and Human Services Department in the event of an outbreak.

In 2009, the H1N1 outbreak hit the United States, leading to 274,304 hospitalizations, 12,469 deaths , and a depletion of N95 respirator masks.

A federally backed task force and a safety equipment organization both recommended to the Obama administration that the stockpile be replenished with the 100 million masks used after the H1N1 outbreak.

Charles Johnson, president of the International Safety Equipment Association, said that advice was never heeded.

“Our association is unaware of any major effort to restore the stockpile to cover that drawdown,” he said.

HHS Secretary Alex Azar reported last month that only 12 million N95 masks were available in the stockpile, “a tiny fraction of the 3.5 billion masks one of Azar’s deputies later testified the nation’s healthcare system would need,” the Los Angeles Times noted.

Bloomberg News reported similar findings last week, noting, "After the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog [of] orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply.”

Bloomberg reported that the Trump administration had asked construction companies to "donate their inventory of N95 masks to your local hospital and forgo additional orders of those industrial masks” and the Defense Department would provide 5 million N95 masks and 2,000 ventilators to help bridge the gap.

Johns Hopkins University’s coronavirus tracker reported 35,225 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. as of Monday.

Vice President Mike Pence, who heads the administration’s coronavirus task force, said on Sunday that a quarter-million people had been tested for the virus, with 9 out of 10 people testing negative.

"The FDA is working with manufacturers around the company to come up with faster, more innovative tests," he said.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/los-angeles-times-and-bloomberg-news-federal-stockpile-of-n95-masks-was-depleted-under-obama-and-never-restocked

Let's see what else this ole boy did and how he was treated.  I have plenty more, such as the CDC saying what they say today in April 2009 may be different tomorrow, since it's a changing scenario.  Want to see that video?  But here is Obama and here is the way the media treated him for doing nothing, not even answering questions.

 
 
 
devangelical
2  devangelical    2 months ago
between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths

estimates were just under 2 million US deaths before the aggressive actions of some state governors took place

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1  MUVA  replied to  devangelical @2    2 months ago

With a faulty model. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  MUVA @2.1    2 months ago
With a faulty model. 

Don't confuse people with facts.   It might make their head explode.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
2.1.2  Larry Hampton  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.1    2 months ago

Then it should be easy to disprove it with the facts. Rather than postulating, bring the beef! Let’s see some facts to back up these claims. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Larry Hampton @2.1.2    2 months ago
Let’s see some facts to back up these claims.

Look up what Dr. Birks of the Corona task force has said.  It should be easy enough to find.

 
 
 
cjcold
2.1.4  cjcold  replied to  MUVA @2.1    2 months ago

And you still don't understand anything about computer modeling. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.2  Nerm_L  replied to  devangelical @2    2 months ago
estimates were just under 2 million US deaths before the aggressive actions of some state governors took place

Really?  So, why is New York City the epicenter of the pandemic in the United States?  Redneck farmers and coal miners aren't spreading COVID-19 around the country.  It's the sophisticated cosmopolitans that carry death with them wherever they travel.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.1  loki12  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2    2 months ago

Strangely enough.....Us rural rednecks have food, We don't have to depend on delivery.    

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2    2 months ago

I think your'e on to something! Frequent fliers!

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2    2 months ago
It's the sophisticated cosmopolitans that carry death with them wherever they travel.

It's those 'sophisticated cosmopolitans' that are the very ones behind our economic engine that allows those in rural areas a market for their produce, coal, lumber, etc.etc.etc. NYC is essential to the entire country's economic structure, much more so than D.C. or any rural burg you care to cite. That doesn't happen in a vacuum.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.4  loki12  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.3    2 months ago

I will be perfectly fine without big cities, how long do you think they can go without us back wood hicks sending them food? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.5  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.3    2 months ago
NYC is essential to the entire country's economic structure,

How specifically is NYC "essential"?

Are you trying to claim that "Wall Street" and the 'financial markets' can't be run from essentially any village or town with communications network capabilities?  Seriously?   

Oh, you are aware are you not that "Wall Street" has been operational since last Monday with no floor traders and the unseen computers are essentially running things are you not?

And yeah, I have knowledge of the area as I did happen to work there.

I will further submit that those 'rural' areas are appreciably more important as I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't appreciate a notebook or cellphone salad.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2.6  r.t..b...  replied to  loki12 @2.2.4    2 months ago
us back wood hicks

Blaming the spread of the virus on those that enable you to live the life you have chosen (and never to disparage anyones' choice) is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Without the markets they provide, the food you grow would rot in the fields.

Have you also forgotten, that in your need to cast aspersion on those that made a different but equally viable life choice, that they are your fellow citizens?

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.8  loki12  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.6    2 months ago

I didn’t blame anyone, what I said is I don’t need them, sorry if the truth of that is hard on the city dwellers, you provide nothing I need.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2.9  r.t..b...  replied to  loki12 @2.2.8    2 months ago
you provide nothing I need.

...other than the technology that allows that very comment...

...the development and manufacturing of the necessary hardware, software, and the ancillary support systems, delivery, merchandising, retail outlets, etc., etc., etc...

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.10  XDm9mm  replied to  loki12 @2.2.8    2 months ago
I didn’t blame anyone, what I said is I don’t need them, sorry if the truth of that is hard on the city dwellers, you provide nothing I need.

Many concrete jungle dwellers can't accept the fact that those in rural areas need essentially nothing from city dwellers and city dwellers essentially can't survive without those rural folks.

I used to get a kick out of others on the LIRR I spoke with while commuting into Manhattan from the 'Island'.   Many had that holier than thou sanctimonious mindset, until I reminded them that almost all of their food supplies were trucked in from those "hick country bumpkin" places they laughed at.  Unless they had a couple head of cattle, some chickens and hogs, and enough place to put in plantings for corn, beans and such, they wouldn't have those weekend bar-b-ques they enjoyed with others of a like mind set to theirs.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.11  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.9    2 months ago
.the development and manufacturing of the necessary hardware, software, and the ancillary support systems, delivery, merchandising, retail outlets, etc., etc., etc...

All I can say to that is:

Bon Appétit

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.12  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.10    2 months ago
I reminded them that almost all of their food supplies were trucked in from those "hick country bumpkin" places they laughed at.

Are country bumpkins required to produce food?  If there were no country bumpkins some other type of people would be growing food.   Vegetables dont care who grows them. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.13  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.12    2 months ago
Are country bumpkins required to produce food?

That was the sanctimonious holier than thou 'well educated' asswipes living in the 'burbs' while commuting to their Wall Street jobs that noted that, not me.  I knew and know better.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2.14  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.11    2 months ago
All I can say to that is:

Never once was there a contention made that rural America does not contribute to the health and well-being of our country. Neither was there a contention made that urban America was somehow more important, just an equally vital and not to be ignored component in making this whole thing work.

If it is not apparent to both populations, neither could survive, much less thrive, without the other.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.2.15  Nerm_L  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.3    2 months ago
It's those 'sophisticated cosmopolitans' that are the very ones behind our economic engine that allows those in rural areas a market for their produce, coal, lumber, etc.etc.etc. NYC is essential to the entire country's economic structure, much more so than D.C. or any rural burg you care to cite. That doesn't happen in a vacuum

Yeah?  That's quite a statement to make when money can't buy a ventilator, disposable mask, or plastic apron.  If the factories had been built in rural America, where the pandemic is spreading slower, then maybe that empty claim would hold water.

The country has suddenly become dependent upon manufacturing.  The country desperately needs those jobs that are never coming back.  Foreign countries have decided to protect their own populations instead of protecting the global greed of sophisticated cosmopolitans.  

Farmers are still farming.  Loggers are still logging.  Miners are still mining.  Truckers are still driving.  It's the sophisticated cosmopolitans who are huddled in their four walls waiting for someone to save them.

The thread that is holding together the American way of life, at the moment, are under paid, unskilled, uneducated workers stocking shelves.  The least among us have become the highest.  Seems rather Biblical, doesn't it?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.16  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.14    2 months ago
If it is not apparent to both populations, neither could survive, much less thrive, without the other.

Really?   Those farmers and rural populations can't survive or thrive without urban centers?   And without the food and all other agricultural products those rural areas provide how long will those urban populations survive and thrive?

I'll submit the cities are much more dependent, in fact almost entirely so.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.17  loki12  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.9    2 months ago
other than the technology that allows that very comment...

We have a different definition of need.....I don't need this, but feel sorry for those that do. Do they not have real friends? 

      ...the development and manufacturing of the necessary hardware, software, and the ancillary support systems, delivery, merchandising, retail outlets, etc., etc., etc...

And again, I don't "need" any of those things, But you do. do you not see the difference? 

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.18  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.12    2 months ago
Vegetables dont care who grows them. 

Good luck!!!!

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2.19  r.t..b...  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2.15    2 months ago
The thread that is holding together the American way of life, at the moment, are under paid, unskilled, uneducated workers stocking shelves.

Along with the medical caregivers on the front-lines, woefully under-supplied and putting their very lives at risk on a 24/7 basis and perhaps one day soon caring for those stocking shelves

This isn't a urban vs. rural battle, and apologies for somehow sending the discussion down that track. Not sure how stating a rather easy to understand fact is misconstrued as an attack...perhaps a sad reflection on how we choose to negotiate these difficult times.

This is simply a battle versus a virus and it will take all parties, working in concert, to mitigate the effects.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.20  loki12  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.16    2 months ago
I'll submit the cities are much more dependent, in fact almost entirely so

Since the beginning of time rural areas have survived without cities, And all we have to do is look a history, the easiest way to crush a city is to lay siege and cut of the rural bumpkins food from arriving.....So no the rural folk don't need the city, they are merely a place to sell our food for conveniences.  For the record i'm not a farmer, I grew up In the greater LA area and work for a security contractor for GovCo.  I got the hell out and now live rural with acreage and cows, few chickens etc. still work but could live here comfortable without anything from the city.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.2.21  Nerm_L  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.19    2 months ago
Along with the medical caregivers on the front-lines, woefully under-supplied and putting their very lives at risk on a 24/7 basis and perhaps one day soon caring for those stocking shelves

Who apparently don't have the basic skill set to make do with what they have.  The lessons of the Great Depression still survive in rural America.

This isn't a urban vs. rural battle, and apologies for somehow sending the discussion down that track. Not sure how stating a rather easy to understand fact is misconstrued as an attack...perhaps a sad reflection on how we choose to negotiate these difficult times.

Well, that's true this isn't an urban/rural battle.  The distinction is the attitude of sophisticates compared to the attitude of ordinary people.  There needs to be a recognition that ordinary people have become accustomed to having to make do with what they have.  There won't be a national effort to save rural America or ordinary people.  And the governor of a rural state will never be seen as a hero; he's just a hick.  We saw that attitude with the dismissal of Pete Buttigieg.  I mean, Buttigieg was mayor of a hick town; how can he compare himself to the great Michael Bloomberg?

This is simply a battle versus a virus and it will take all parties, working in concert, to mitigate the effects.

Working in concert to save the big cities.  News organizations aren't going to report from some hick town unless a tornado wipes it off the map.  Those big city hospitals might learn something from country doctors.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.22  loki12  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2.21    2 months ago
the great Michael Bloomberg?

You put a hole in the ground and you put a seed in it.   Moron............

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.23  author  JohnRussell  replied to  loki12 @2.2.18    2 months ago

I'm just stating a fact. Anyone can grow vegetables. You have to know how to do it, but you dont have to be "rural" to do it. Just like you dont have to be a city person to know how to use a computer. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.24  XDm9mm  replied to  loki12 @2.2.20    2 months ago
I got the hell out and now live rural with acreage and cows, few chickens etc. still work but could live here comfortable without anything from the city.

Years back, while commuting back home on 'the Island' from Manhattan, I was chatting with a co-rider/card player partner and told him I'd be gone starting Wednesday as I was heading upstate with my brother and a couple of other guys to go hunting and he likely wouldn't see me until the following Monday or Tuesday.  Needless to say, one of the oh so smart, wished she could afford Manhattan rents instead of the 'burbs' city worker quipped (obviously an anti-hunter type) that I "should be ashamed of myself for killing a poor deer when all I had to do was go to the store and buy a steak like other people."  The look of abject confusion on her face when I asked her who killed the steer that made her hamburger she bought in the store was, as they say, priceless!

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2.25  r.t..b...  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2.21    2 months ago
Who apparently don't have the basic skill set to make do with what they have.

That is no answer in dealing with the epidemic at hand. This is not the Great Depression, though it may become the next one if we do not get on top of this thing.

It will take a collaborative effort...individual hospitals, local jurisdictions, state agencies, and most importantly, the Federal government all working in unison in combating the virus. 

We may engage in a pissing match on this forum as to whom is to blame, or the 'sophisticates' attitudes vs. those of 'ordinary' people (whatever meaningless social commentary that entails). In facing this threat, we are label-less as the virus could care less about who it infects.

Rest assured, when the pandemic hits the rural states, which every indication shows it will, every effort to treat those will be met with the same sense of urgency as we currently see in NYC...not because of the geography, social status, or wealth...because that is what we do.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.26  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.23    2 months ago
I'm just stating a fact. Anyone can grow vegetables.

Good luck feeding the family with what you grow. and having some left over to trade for that steak you want.

 
 
 
lady in black
2.2.27  lady in black  replied to  loki12 @2.2.26    2 months ago

I live near Buffalo, NY and there are plenty of farms within a half hour of me. What, you think anyone that lives near a bigger city can't get farm products...someone where I work has a family farm.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.2.28  Nerm_L  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.25    2 months ago
We may engage in a pissing match on this forum as to whom is to blame, or the 'sophisticates' attitudes vs. those of 'ordinary' people (whatever meaningless social commentary that entails). In facing this threat, we are label-less as the virus could care less about who it infects.

It's not a matter of blame.  The attitude of sophisticates is an obstacle that impedes addressing problems in rural areas.  That attitude needs to change for a collaborative effort to be effective.  If it's all take and no give then it isn't a collaborative effort.

Rest assured, when the pandemic hits the rural states, which every indication shows it will, every effort to treat those will be met with the same sense of urgency as we currently see in NYC...not because of the geography, social status, or wealth...because that is what we do.

Not will; has.  Our local hospital (in a community of 15,000) reported 10 cases with symptoms hospitalized and 3 cases with symptoms quarantined a little over two weeks ago.  I haven't heard where we're at now since news travels slowly.  Since the community is small, it's not as high a priority as metropolitan areas in the state for testing.  Our local hospital is going to have to make do with what it has; unless the big city hospitals raid the supplies.

We're under lock down, too.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.29  XDm9mm  replied to  lady in black @2.2.27    2 months ago
I live near Buffalo, NY

I don't know if anyone has ever burst the bubble, but Buffalo NY is not by any stretch of the imagination a 'major' city like say, NYC, or Chicago, or any number of other major cities.  

Buffalo has as it's claim to fame, the Buffalo Bills and umpteen feet of lake effect snow every winter....  oh and bitter cold.

Ok...   I'll toss in Buffalo Chicken Wings.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.30  loki12  replied to  lady in black @2.2.27    2 months ago
you think anyone that lives near a bigger city can't get farm products...

I'll take something I never said for 1000, Alex.   That being said, how many of the 9 million in NYC can that family farm support? The point is, The rural folk that the elitist look down on don't need them anywhere as much as they need us.   

 
 
 
lady in black
2.2.31  lady in black  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.29    2 months ago

Hate to burst your bubble, but this past winter was quite mild, only had to use the snow blower 3 times (I did one, and between my 2 neighbors they each did it once). 

Buffalo and it's suburbs is also known as the City of Good Neighbors

I know we are not NYC but you make it sound like any big city doesn't have access to farms.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.32  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2    2 months ago
Redneck farmers and coal miners aren't spreading COVID-19 around the country.  It's the sophisticated cosmopolitans that carry death with them wherever they travel.

Not exactly.

Its really quite simple (I'm surprised you didn't know this):

Its actually because "Redneck farmers and coal miners" don't travel around the country (and the world!) nearly as much as "sophisticated cosmopolitans" do!

Were you really unaware of that? Or were you hoping that no one else here knew that simple fact?

 
 
 
cjcold
2.2.33  cjcold  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.14    2 months ago

Actually most commercially grown agriculture is now grown by corporate farms and not "country bumpkins". Family farms are rapidly dying out.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.34  loki12  replied to  cjcold @2.2.33    2 months ago

Sigh.............

Family farms comprise 99 percent of U.S. farms, accounting for 89 percent of production. Small farms make up 90 percent of farms, operating nearly half of farmland. Still, large family farms accounted for 42 percent of production in 2015.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/pub-details/?pubid=81401

 
 
 
dennis smith
2.3  dennis smith  replied to  devangelical @2    2 months ago

Typical deflection and spin. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago

It's kind of amazing, then, isn't it, that in China with a population almost 5 times that of the USA, where it was not controlled well at the beginning, that there were about 81,000 cases, about 3,300 deaths and only around 6,000 have not yet recovered.  Fauci doesn't have much faith in America's capability in containing it.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago
Fauci doesn't have much faith in America's capability in containing it.

Perhaps he is a realist...and in being one he may have just signed his walking papers. I hope that is not the case.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.1  Krishna  replied to  r.t..b... @3.1    2 months ago
Perhaps he is a realist...and in being one he may have just signed his walking papers. I hope that is not the case.

I often wonder if there's a YUGE parking lot behind the White House-- filled with buses. And soon they're going to add yet another bus-- because all the spaces under all the existing buses are full (packed with all the people Trump has so far thrown under them).

Dr, Fauci-- you are probably next!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago
Fauci doesn't have much faith in America's capability in containing it.

Yeah Buzz, isn't it amazing what can happen when you have a man running the country that is willing to put millions into essentially concentration camps because of their religion, where the people can be told when and where to move to and what jobs they'll be permitted to do, if any at all.

Thanks but no thanks Buzz.   I'll take the United States of America where I can openly and SAFELY chastise the government and it's leaders without fear of the army coming in the middle of the night to arrest me and/or make me and mine just disappear.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2    2 months ago
"Thanks but no thanks Buzz."

LOL.  You're welcome but not welcome.  Hope you stay healthy.

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.2  Heartland American  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2    2 months ago

the bottom line.   

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.1    2 months ago
LOL.  You're welcome but not welcome.  Hope you stay healthy.

I also hope you remain healthy Buzz.   But, there is no need to note I'm not 'welcome'.  If I travel to that neck of the woods again, I'll stay over in Taiwan and avoid Communist China.  

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.4  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2    2 months ago
when you have a man running the country that is willing to put millions into essentially concentration camps because of their religion,

FDR didn't put the Japanese-Americans into those camps because of their religion-- but rather because of their race. (FDR was quite a racist as well as an anti-Semite...in fact have commented about his hypocrisy in not putting German-Americans in camps).

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.5  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.3    2 months ago
If I travel to that neck of the woods again, I'll stay over in Taiwan and avoid Communist China.  

Why?

Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong Face Second Wave of Coronavirus Cases

 
 
 
devangelical
3.3  devangelical  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago
It's kind of amazing, then, isn't it, that in China with a population almost 5 times that of the USA, where it was not controlled well at the beginning, that there were about 81,000 cases, about 3,300 deaths and only around 6,000 have not yet recovered.

says who?

 
 
 
squiggy
3.4  squiggy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago

"Cuomo also said of the potential “enforceable quarantine … I don’t even know what that means. I don’t know how that could be legally enforceable. And from a medical point of view I don’t know what you would be accomplishing.

“But I can tell you I don’t even like the sound of it. Not even understanding what it is, I don’t even like the sound of it.”"

...and that's why containment in USA is like nailing jello to a tree. In the rain.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago
It's kind of amazing, then, isn't it, that in China with a population almost 5 times that of the USA, where it was not controlled well at the beginning, that there were about 81,000 cases, about 3,300 deaths and only around 6,000 have not yet recovered.  Fauci doesn't have much faith in America's capability in containing it.

China doesn't have a shortage of drugs, protective gear, or medical supplies because China produces that stuff.  China can build hospitals in days because China produces construction materials.  China has a workforce that actually does manual labor and builds things.

It's the consumer economies that will suffer most during this pandemic.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.5.1  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @3.5    2 months ago
China can build hospitals in days because China produces construction materials.  China has a workforce that actually does manual labor and builds things.

Good point!

Because regardless of Trump's boasts about how wonderful America has become, the fact is-- the U.S. actually does not produce construction material-- none!

And unfortunately under Trump the American workforce has become fat and lazy (just like Trump himself!)....the American worker doesn't do any manual labour (also just like the Trumpster-- none! And since Trump took office-- American construction workers never build "things". 

They mostly sit around on their 2 hour long lunch hours eating their typical Snowflake Tofu lunches, drinking beer, and saying fresh things to the women passing by in the street!

 
 
 
Drakkonis
3.6  Drakkonis  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago
It's kind of amazing, then, isn't it, that in China with a population almost 5 times that of the USA, where it was not controlled well at the beginning, that there were about 81,000 cases, about 3,300 deaths and only around 6,000 have not yet recovered.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. It must be the shining path of Communism that has defeated this scourge! 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.7  Heartland American  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago

The Chinese numbers are only off by a factor of 15-40 according to scientists in the UK 🇬🇧 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.7.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Heartland American @3.7    2 months ago

Have you no idea how ridiculous that comment is?  

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
3.7.2  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.7.1    2 months ago

Newsweek is reporting. 

"A stack of urns at a funeral home in Wuhan, the city's official cremation rates, and reports of an overwhelmed health care system have prompted speculation that Wuhan's real COVID-19 death toll could be in the tens of thousands—despite the Chinese government reporting 2,535 deaths from just over 50,000 coronavirus infections."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wuhan-covid-19-deaths-may-be-in-tens-of-thousands-data-on-cremations-show/ar-BB11T0Vb?li=BBnb7Kz

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.7.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.7.2    2 months ago

All of China numbers are just over 80,000 cases, most of which have recovered, and 3300 deaths.  Otherwise you and the wild media can inflate the numbers all day but I know better, because the reported numbers of where I am are verified by a doctor I know who I have reason to believe.

 
 
 
devangelical
3.7.4  devangelical  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.7.3    2 months ago
verified by a doctor I know

... that hasn't disappeared or turned up dead of C-19 yet...

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.7.5  XDm9mm  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.7.3    2 months ago
All of China numbers are just over 80,000 cases, most of which have recovered, and 3300 deaths.

And we all 'believe' Communist China is a wonderful functioning democracy where freedom rings and people can come and go as they choose and not be afraid of disappearing if they speak out against the government and the Peoples Liberation Army is only there to help and not control the people.

Oh, and I'm the new Hasidic Pope of Islam.

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
3.7.6  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  XDm9mm @3.7.5    2 months ago

384

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  author  JohnRussell    2 months ago

this is for proof of the accuracy of my article

The Associated Press
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Dr. Anthony Fauci says U.S. will have “millions of cases” of COVID-19 and more than 100,000 deaths. Fauci , the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, is the U.S. government’s foremost infectious disease expert.
 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
5  Dean Moriarty    2 months ago

With a population of 327,000,000 two hundred thousand fatalities is not bad. It is less than .1 percent of the population. 

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JohnRussell
5.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    2 months ago

The U.S. is the wealthiest country in world history. We can afford to put business on hold to save hundreds of thousands of lives.  Without  the closing of restaurants, bars, tourist sites, and other non essential businesses, the death toll would be far greater and half the country would be infected. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
5.1.1  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 months ago
The U.S. is the wealthiest country in world history.

Which doesn't mean a lot when a lot of what we need is produced by other countries that need what they are producing as much as we do. If this virus teaches us anything other than what we need to be prepared for this it is that, strategically, we need to stop being a consumer nation and start producing things. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    2 months ago

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r.t..b...
5.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    2 months ago
two hundred thousand fatalities is not bad

No...that is bad.

That is if you believe in American exceptionalism in confronting the trials placed before us. To continue our proud history of dealing with dangers, previously abroad but now here at home, it will require equally exceptional leadership. We have the collective will, we have the capacity, the only question that remains is do we have the leadership?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.1  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @5.3    2 months ago
That is if you believe in American exceptionalism in confronting the trials placed before us. To continue our proud history of dealing with dangers, previously abroad but now here at home, it will require equally exceptional leadership. We have the collective will, we have the capacity, the only question that remains is do we have the leadership?

OK....   here's your time to shine.  Please be specific and post exactly what you think should be done to combat and eradicate the COVID19 virus and save lives.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.3.2  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.1    2 months ago
Please be specific and post exactly what you think

If you think 200,000 dead is an acceptable body count, given that the administration at first diminished the potential danger of this virus and is currently more interested in applying a fealty test than getting necessary equipment to those on the front lines, not to mention the still inadequate testing required to track this epidemic, that is problematic.

That is as specific as I can be and the lack of taking control of this thing, even to this very minute, lies at feet of this administration...and that is exactly what I think. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.4  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @5.3.2    2 months ago
That is as specific as I can be

So, the typical dodge and bob.  Thanks for playing.

Oh, just for comparison purposes, the annual flu, per the CDC has killed between 23,000 and 59,000 this season (2019/2020) alone.  Also, on average, there are approximately 2.5 million people who die annually in the United States.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.3.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.4    2 months ago

There is immunity for flu strands, and a shot available to protect many people from catching it. 

There is nothing for this virus, except people keeping themselves "isolated". 

If no steps were taken to prevent it, every single person in America would contract it, which would mean millions of deaths, not 100,000. 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
5.3.6  Larry Hampton  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.4    2 months ago
 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.3.7  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.4    2 months ago
the annual flu

Do tell the last time when the 'annual' flu shut down schools, non-essential businesses, travel between countries, the enactment of mandatory self-distancing and quarantines, and has crippled our economy. 

'Please be specific.'

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
5.3.8  Larry Hampton  replied to  Larry Hampton @5.3.6    2 months ago

Also....from 2018

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.3.9  r.t..b...  replied to    2 months ago
What would president Hillary and Democrats have done, or do now? How about old Joe Biden? 

Good gawd, man. We are dealing with the present...not some specious hypothetical to deflect from the facts at hand and the inadequacies that land squarely at the feet of the current administration. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.10  XDm9mm  replied to  Larry Hampton @5.3.6    2 months ago
WRONG

[deleted] Try READING my post and then responding.

Oh, here's a link for YOUR personal edification.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

So, come back with the apology after you check it out. [deleted]

 
 
 
MUVA
5.3.11  MUVA  replied to  r.t..b... @5.3.7    2 months ago

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/26/health/flu-schools-shut-down/index.html

and there are many more but I'm going to work to paint a boat will post more later.

 
 
 
Ender
5.3.12  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.4    2 months ago
Also, on average, there are approximately 2.5 million people who die annually in the United States.

So what is several thousand more aye?

Very cavalier....

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.13  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @5.3.7    2 months ago
'Please be specific.'

[deleted]

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.15  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @5.3.12    2 months ago
Very cavalier....

Hardly.  Maybe you missed this:  "on average,".  that means some years more and some years less died.  Hell, if it was based on only two years, one year no one died and the next 5 million.  See how those averages work?

 
 
 
MUVA
5.3.16  MUVA  replied to  Ender @5.3.12    2 months ago

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r.t..b...
5.3.17  r.t..b...  replied to  MUVA @5.3.11    2 months ago
and there are many more but I'm going to work to paint a boat will post more later.

Anecdotal. Any to cite at this level?

...and "we're going to need a bigger boat"...

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.3.18  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.13    2 months ago
Still dodging and weaving.

Indeed. So no answer then?

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
5.3.19  Larry Hampton  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.10    2 months ago

My apologies XDm9mm, I misread and thought that you are saying that 2.5 million people die annually from influenza. 

 
 
 
MUVA
5.3.20  MUVA  replied to  r.t..b... @5.3.17    2 months ago

There are many many more.

 
 
 
Ender
5.3.22  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.15    2 months ago

Whether you know or would even admit it you are still trying to diminish true impact.

People are dying from a new virus that is now running rampant.

What purpose is there to say, well people die everyday? It is dismissive of people facing actual life and death situations if not out right disregard for their lives.

If someone in your family died would you want someone telling you, well people die of the flu....

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.3.23  r.t..b...  replied to    2 months ago
What about the inadequacies of state and local governments in preparing for something like this?

Is this a state or local issue?  Of course not. It is and always has been a national issue.

Obviously, no one can be expected to have been totally prepared for this unprecedented disaster. That being said, it is now incumbent upon the Federal government to coordinate the response between states and local jurisdictions...to date they seem able to only talk about it rather than act to it.

 
 
 
lib50
5.3.24  lib50  replied to    2 months ago

The world has guidelines.  The federal government has guidelines. Take a look at Bush's national strategy from 2006, I posted the first page of the table of contents, national responsibilities.  Instead of 50 states competing for medical supplies driving prices UP, the feds should be procuring them.  And should have been for the last 2-3 MONTHS.  This is the UNITED States of America.  If republicans can't handle the responsibilities, get the hell OUT and let real leaders take charge.  And you should ask yourself why you don't care that Trump's response to this worldwide pandemic has been so slow and so bad.  Note all times 'National Strategy' and US Gov't planning are mentioned.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143067/

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/pandemic-influenza-implementation.pdf

36014p1_08 4/29/06 3:53 PM Page v Table of Cont ent s PREF A CE ............................................................................................................................... .................................................................. vii CHAPTER 1 - EXECUTIVE SUMMAR Y ............................................................................................................................... ................. 1 THE P ANDEMIC THREA T ............................................................................................................ ................................................ 1 CHAPTER 2 - U .S. GO VERNMENT PLANNING FOR A P ANDEMIC ............................................................................. ........ 1 CHAPTER 3 - FEDERAL GO VERNMENT RESPONSE T O A P ANDEMIC .......................................................................... .... 2 CHAPTER 4 - INTERN ATION AL EFFOR TS .............................................................................................. .................................. 4 CHAPTER 5 - TRANSPOR TATION AND B ORDERS ......................................................................................... ......................... 6 CHAPTER 6 - PR OTECTING HUMAN HEAL TH ............................................................................................ ........................... 8 CHAPTER 7 - PR OTECTING ANIMAL HEAL TH ........................................................................................... .......................... 10 CHAPTER 8 - LA W ENFOR CEMENT , PUBLIC SAFETY , AND SECURITY ......................................................................... .. 12 CHAPTER 9 - INSTITUTIONS: PR OTECTING P ERSONNEL AND ENSURING CONTINUITY OF OP ERA TIONS ...... 13 CHAPTER 2 - U .S. GO VERNMENT PLANNING FOR A P ANDEMIC ............................................................................................. 15 THE P ANDEMIC THREA T ............................................................................................................ .............................................. 15 THE N ATION AL STRA TEGY FOR P ANDEMIC INFL UENZ A ................................................................................... .............. 16 IMPLEMENT ATION OF THE N ATION AL STRA TEGY ........................................................................................ .................... 17 NECESSAR Y EN ABLERS OF P ANDEMIC PREP AREDNESS .................................................................................... ................ 18 AD VANCING P ANDEMIC PREP AREDNESS ................................................................................................ ............................. 21 PLANNING ASSUMPTIONS ........................................................................................................... ............................................ 25 CHAPTER 3 - FEDERAL GO VERNMENT RESPONSE T O A P ANDEMIC ..................................................................................... 27 COMMAND , CONTR OL, AND CO ORDIN ATION OF THE FEDERAL RESPONSE ............................................................ 27 ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ..................................................................................................... ........................................... 29 FEDERAL GO VERNMENT A CTIONS DURING A PANDEMIC ................................................................................... .......... 30 SUMMAR Y OF FEDERAL GO VERNMENT ACTIONS DURING A P ANDEMIC .................................................................. 33 CHAPTER 4 - INTERN ATION AL EFFOR TS ............................................................................................................................... ........ 43 INTR ODUCTION ................................................................................................................... ...................................................... 43 KE Y CONSIDERA TIONS ............................................................................................................. ................................................. 43 ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ..................................................................................................... ........................................... 50 ACTIONS AND EXP ECT ATIONS ....................................................................................................... ......................................... 54 CHAPTER 5 - TRANSPOR TATION AND B ORDERS ........................................................................................................................ 71 INTR ODUCTION ................................................................................................................... ...................................................... 71 KE Y CONSIDERA TIONS ............................................................................................................. ................................................. 71 ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ..................................................................................................... ........................................... 82 ACTIONS AND EXP ECT ATIONS ....................................................................................................... ......................................... 85 CHAPTER 6 - PR OTECTING HUMAN HEAL TH .............................................................................................................................. 99 INTR ODUCTION ................................................................................................................... ...................................................... 99 KE Y CONSIDERA TIONS ............................................................................................................. ............................................... 100 ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ..................................................................................................... ......................................... 114 ACTIONS AND EXP ECT ATIONS ....................................................................................................... ....................................... 116
 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.3.25  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @5.3.22    2 months ago

I dont blame Trump for the virus coming to the US.  I do blame him for not responding in a timely way. And I most certainly do blame him for his abominable behavior in his comments about people, other political leaders, etc.  He is still disgracing America pretty much every day, even in the middle of a national crisis. He needs to keep his mouth shut. 

We need to shut down most out of the home activity in the U.S.  For as long as it takes. If it had been done six weeks ago we would be closer to the end. 

If no one goes to work for two months the economy will not be destroyed.  The bailout is essentially paying people to stay home. Yes, it will add a lot to the national debt, but the lives of Americans is more important. 

 
 
 
lib50
5.3.26  lib50  replied to  MUVA @5.3.16    2 months ago

What about the flu?  What about abortion?  What about Obama?  What about  what about what about what about

What about you deal with TRUMP, you know, the one who calls himself the leader of the country.  Can't do it, can you?  None of you can.  Deflect deflect deflect. 

 
 
 
loki12
5.3.27  loki12  replied to  Larry Hampton @5.3.19    2 months ago
My apologies XDm9mm,

Good on You!

 
 
 
Heartland American
5.3.29  Heartland American  replied to    2 months ago

You expect the left to be honest and helpful?  I don’t.  Not even in moments like these. No confidence in them at all

 
 
 
Heartland American
5.3.30  Heartland American  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.13    2 months ago

nice post or it would have been if fellow conservatives were allowed to read it

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.3.31  dennis smith  replied to  r.t..b... @5.3.2    2 months ago

Had the prior admin required the contractor to honor its contract to build ventilators there would not be a shortage of them. How conveniently you overlooked that in order to deflect blame to Trump. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.3.32  dennis smith  replied to  r.t..b... @5.3    2 months ago

We do have the exceptional leadership in place, unfortunately it takes more than 3 years to overcome the failings of the last admin. That sound as familiar as when the Obama supporters said it would take many years to overcome failings of the admin before his.  

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.3.33  dennis smith  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.1    2 months ago

You will get no answer, just deflection as usual

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.3.34  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.25    2 months ago

Many governors did not take action until it affected their states and even them most have refused to order stay at home. Them there are ones like Cuomo who only begs for federal help when he realized the problem was bigger than he could handle.

Any reason why he did not ask for help much earlier like in January or early February.? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.35  XDm9mm  replied to  Larry Hampton @5.3.19    2 months ago
My apologies XDm9mm, I misread and thought that you are saying that 2.5 million people die annually from influenza

Apology accepted.   I actually voted you up for the admission!!  Unlike so many others, at least you admit to a mistake.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.36  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @5.3.22    2 months ago
Whether you know or would even admit it you are still trying to diminish true impact.

I'm hardly trying to diminish anything.  

People are dying from a new virus that is now running rampant.

Yes they are unfortunately.  But, that does not negate the fact that people die.  Period.  It is the one fact of life that you can tell a child immediately at birth that will be validated.  At some point in time in the future you will die.  We all die and there is no escape from that.

What purpose is there to say, well people die everyday? It is dismissive of people facing actual life and death situations if not out right disregard for their lives.

Oh how wrong you are.  I revere life and am hardly dismissive of people or disregarding of any death.  But I'm a realist and accept that regardless of how powerful we like to think we are, we, as a species are subject to the very same forces of nature that every other species on the face of the planet are subjected to.  We just invariably put up more fight before we go down, but in the end, we will go down.  Remember, we didn't populate this planet since it's "birth" and will very likely not populate it at it's "death".

If someone in your family died would you want someone telling you, well people die of the flu....

They wouldn't need to.  Those that know me already know me well enough to know I accept death.  It's a simple fact of life that is always proved billions of times over to be quite true.  People die.   That doesn't mean it would not emotionally hurt, it would.  But as any that have suffered the loss of a loved one will tell you, life goes on but the memories will always remain.

.  

 
 
 
bccrane
5.3.37  bccrane  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.36    2 months ago

Yep, this planet has been here for billions of years and man for say 100,000 of those and with the exception of the last 100 years, no one has survived.

 
 
 
lib50
5.3.38  lib50  replied to    2 months ago
What do you mean so slow and so bad ? You're just politicizing the crisis. Trump's team is doing superb job of getting on top of this

That is a lie, he lied about the severity from the beginning.  It was in Washington in January and we watched him fuck it up  He was sending equipment to China right then when we were beginning to need it.  Don't you dare try to pretend differently.  He didn't plan for it, he ignored it, he lied about it, he is lying right this second as I'm typing about it.  Never responsible for anything, what the hell is a leader for?  You can be fine with the job hes done and the speed, but don't lie about the timeline.  He is going to be responsible for deaths that happen exactly because he didn't believe it.

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.3.39  dennis smith  replied to  lib50 @5.3.38    2 months ago
Your lies about Trump are well known based on your posts.
 
 
 
cjcold
5.3.40  cjcold  replied to    2 months ago
Trump's task force is doing an excellent job.

So Trump keeps telling us every time someone points a camera at him.

I stopped believing anything Trump says or tweets years ago.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.5  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    2 months ago
two hundred thousand fatalities is not bad

Nothing like the cleansing relief of culling the herd, right?  Do I even need to ask if there is a financial angle in your assessment?

 
 
 
Heartland American
5.6  Heartland American  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    2 months ago

removed for context 

 
 
 
Krishna
5.7  Krishna  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    2 months ago
two hundred thousand fatalities is not bad.

True. 

In fact its a blessing-- a worthy goal that hopefully the U.S. can emulate!

 
 
 
bugsy
6  bugsy    2 months ago

I remember during one of the task force briefs about a week or so ago, Dr Brix said that the US death toll could be tens of thousands, but those numbers were spread out over this year, next year and 2121, which may be referencing a hundred year virus.

This could be the numbers Fauci was referring to, not deaths this year alone.

My personal opinion?

The media is hyping this to make it look as if this virus is far worse than anything we have ever seen. However, as Larry so nicely pointed out, we had about 80, 000 flu deaths in a year not long ago, far more than anything we have seen from this virus.

To put this in contrast, as of March 20 there are 125,000 confirmed cases of COVID 19 in the entire US. In comparison, there were 156,000 confirmed cases of the common flu in New York alone, both covering the same time frame (Mid december to March 20). Common sense says to take the same measures as the flu and be aware of your surroundings, but the media is making this look far worse than anything. 

 Yes, we MAY see these numbers Fauci was describing, but it could be that those numbers are spread over many years.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.1  Krishna  replied to  bugsy @6    2 months ago
The media is hyping this to make it look as if this virus is far worse than anything we have ever seen

A very wise comment indeed! And unfortunately, very few Americans are wise enough to know that!

But fortunately there are a few-- wise folks who won't let the "Fake News" media stop them!

Louisiana Church Hosts Over 1,800 People Despite Social Distance Warning During Coronavirus Pandemic

Pastor Tony Spell said the healing hand of Jesus is how the pandemic should be handled.

 
 
 
Dignitatem Societatis
7  Dignitatem Societatis    2 months ago
He said he thought there would be between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths, and "millions" of people who will get the virus.

Well, that's way down from the estimates before all of the stay at home orders and social distancing efforts. It's still pretty damn bad, though.

With hindsight being 20/20, we probably could have prevented most of the hospitalizations and deaths we've already had, along with the many we're still going to have, if we'd locked the entire country down for 2 or 3 weeks back in late January or early February.

A national 'staycation' if you will, for the entire population, with only essential services like hospitals, police, fire, and food delivery services left in operation (along with TV stations and streaming services, of course), and a requirement that people working in those services (or anyone else going out in public, for that matter) wear full-face respirators whenever they leave the house, to make it really, really hard for the virus to get into anyone's eyes, nose, or mouth.

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This virus could have possibly been nipped in the bud, at least within our own borders. Community spread could have been stopped, and anyone exposed prior to the lockdown would've had enough time for quarantine and treatment if necessary. Viral particles in public spaces everywhere would have been 'dead' and harmless by the end of the first week, probably.

The economy could have essentially been placed on pause, and then started back up again after the national Netflix binge fest. Perishables in stores and restaurants would probably have gone to waste, but surely we wouldn't have lost quite so many jobs, or needed to spend trillions in relief packages, not to mention that most of the people who have already died would still be alive.

Just think, it could have all been over by now. At least the worst of it. A few flare ups here and there might have required another localized shutdown or two, but still.

I know, I know. It might have been practically impossible to pull off, because hardly anybody was taking it seriously at the time. Hopefully we've learned something for the future, though.

Anyone planning on asking Santa for one of those full-face respirators this Christmas? If any are available by then, that is? Every last one that I've looked at online so far has been sold out.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1  Tacos!  replied to  Dignitatem Societatis @7    2 months ago
if we'd locked the entire country down for 2 or 3 weeks back in late January or early February

As you indicate, there would have been zero political support for that at the time. Maybe if we had had some sense that it could be spread so easily by asymptomatic people, then we might have acted sooner. Maybe. 

Hopefully we've learned something for the future, though.

I think it's hard to know. No one wants to shut down normal life unnecessarily, and it's been pointed out many times (and to much criticism) that other diseases, like the flu, kill thousands of people every year. Even though it's a lower percentage, the flu has still killed way more people - so far - than Covid-19 has. And that happens every year.

 
 
 
Dignitatem Societatis
7.1.1  Dignitatem Societatis  replied to  Tacos! @7.1    2 months ago
Even though it's a lower percentage, the flu has still killed way more people - so far - than Covid-19 has. And that happens every year.

Give it time. It's still on the march. It's moving into rural areas now, and rural areas are even less prepared to handle it than urban areas are, medically speaking. Large, well-equipped hospitals being fewer and farther between, I mean.

Speaking of the flu, the trauma from all of this might actually change things a bit going forward. People may become more concerned with vaccines every year, and may pay more attention to things like frequent hand washing and social distancing during the normal flu season.

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @7.1    2 months ago
As you indicate, there would have been zero political support for that at the time

Not surprising, as at the time, KellyAnne Conway said "We have it contained". Sean Hannity  informed his viewers that the whole thing was a hoax. And Rush Limbaugh let us know that it was really just "The Common Cold".

And people believed them....

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @7.1.2    2 months ago

And what were Democrats and their media saying? Impeachment Impeachment Impeachment.

Meanwhile, Trump and his administration were taking what limited action they reasonably could.

 
 
 
Cathar
8  Cathar    2 months ago

Hoover had his " Hoovervilles" tRump will have his "tRumpvilles" which are the makeshift Hospitals in New York and elsewhere. He dithered and we pay for his fear, ignorance and above all incompetence. As tRump says now that losing 100,000 lives is not so bad.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1  Texan1211  replied to  Cathar @8    2 months ago

Yeah, Trump should have built a bunch of hospitals 3 years ago on the chance of a little-known virus sweeping the globe.

I could just hear all the financial hawks bitterly complaining about the "unnecessary" expenditures.

 
 
 
It Is ME
9  It Is ME    2 months ago

"Theories" …… can be so ….. UPLIFTING ? jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
9.1  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @9    2 months ago
"Theories" …… can be so ….. UPLIFTING ?

Yup.

Trump’s Easter Restart Undone by His Experts’ Dire Virus Models

March 30, 2020

  • Fauci, Birx made Oval Office plea to maintain strict measures
  • Fresh data showed relaxing restrictions could be disastrous
 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @9.1    2 months ago

jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

A "Wish" … isn't a "Theory" !

jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif ?

 
 
 
Krishna
9.1.2  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.1    2 months ago
A "Wish" … isn't a "Theory" !

Ah...but here's the question that has haunted mankind since time immemorial... jrSmiley_27_smiley_image.gif

while a wish (or should I say "wish:"?) jrSmiley_101_smiley_image.gif

isn't a "Theory"... is a "Theory" actually a "Wish"? jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg ;

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It Is ME
9.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @9.1.2    2 months ago

The "Doc" is wishing for 200 Grand jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif ?

 
 
 
Krishna
9.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @9.1    2 months ago

Okay Dr, Fauci, the time has come.

Under the bus you go...!!!

 
 
 
Krishna
9.1.5  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.3    2 months ago
The "Doc" is wishing for 200 Grand ?

Guess you're not hangin' out with The Family enuf . . .?

(Don't ya know its supposed to be "200 Large ".. not "200 Grand "?)

jrSmiley_54_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @9.1.5    2 months ago

"Large" is just for "Back Alley Braggarts" . "Grand" is more "opulent sounding", and more "sophisticated" ! jrSmiley_43_smiley_image.gif

jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif ?

 
 
 
Krishna
9.1.7  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.6    2 months ago
"Large" is just for "Back Alley Braggarts" . "Grand" is more "opulent sounding", and more "sophisticated" ! ?

Now that you've read the book...

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doncha think its time to actually see the movie? jrSmiley_94_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.8  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @9.1.7    2 months ago
doncha think its time to actually see the movie?

You're doing just fine. You've "Sold" one Ticket ……. To YOURSELF ! jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

Great Job. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
10  Krishna    2 months ago

How could a Governor who requested ventilators fail to realize that they had been delivered to a warehouse?  How could a hospital in NY, which is always busy, go from using & disposing about 20,000 masks a day suddenly start ordering 300,000 masks a day?  Has there been medical hoarding?  Has there been profiteering by medical sub contractors?

Fake Fucking News !

 
 
 
Kathleen
11  Kathleen    2 months ago

I hope that it will never be that many, but it has not come to a peak yet.  

 
 
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