Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC

  

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Via:  sister-mary-agnes-ample-bottom  •  3 weeks ago  •  157 comments

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Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC
Hospital data on coronavirus patients will now be rerouted to the Trump administration instead of first being sent to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed to CNN on Tuesday.

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Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC

Hospital data on coronavirus patients will now be rerouted to the Trump administration instead of first being sent to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed to CNN on Tuesday.

The move could make data less transparent to the public at a time when the administration is downplaying the spread of the pandemic, and threatens to undermine public confidence that medical data is being presented free of political interference.

Michael Caputo, the assistant secretary for public affairs at the department, confirmed the change first reported by The New York Times earlier in the day, saying in a statement that the "new faster and complete data system is what our nation needs to defeat the coronavirus and the CDC, an operating division of HHS, will certainly participate in this streamlined all-of-government response. They will simply no longer control it."

"The CDC's old hospital data gathering operation once worked well monitoring hospital information across the country, but it's an inadequate system today," Caputo said in the statement.

The Times said hospitals are to begin reporting the data to HHS on Wednesday, noting also that the "database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions."

CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta said the change is "going to lead to more opaqueness" about coronavirus data.

"What logic does this have, other than to take away the data from the epidemiologists that are the best in the world at looking at this data, making sense of it, translating it for people, versus giving it to HHS," he asked on CNN's "New Day" Wednesday morning.

The Trump administration continues to grapple with the coronavirus pandemic -- which has already claimed the lives of more than 136,000 Americans -- in moves that are increasingly being seen as political.

On Tuesday, four former CDC directors blasted the administration's efforts to disregard and politicize guidelines from the agency in a scathing Washington Post op-ed.

The four former CDC officials warned against what they called a "tragic indictment" of the CDC's efforts as President Donald Trump and top coronavirus task force officials seek to reopen the nation's schools.

Trump has said he will "pressure" governors to reopen schools, despite internal documents from the CDC separately obtained by the Times warning that reopening K-12 schools and universities would be the "highest risk" for the spread of the deadly virus.

"Unfortunately, their sound science is being challenged with partisan potshots, sowing confusion and mistrust at a time when the American people need leadership, expertise and clarity. These efforts have even fueled a backlash against public health officials across the country: Public servants have been harassed, threatened and forced to resign when we need them most. This is unconscionable and dangerous," the former CDC officials wrote.

Public health experts, they said: "Face two opponents: covid-19, but also political leaders and others attempting to undermine" the CDC.


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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    3 weeks ago

I can't wait to see who defends this appalling move.  Hospitals are being ordered to bypass CDC when reporting virus updates.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.1  devangelical  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    3 weeks ago

well POS/POTUS did say covid-19 would just magically disappear....

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.1.1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  devangelical @1.1    3 weeks ago
well POS/POTUS did say covid-19 would just magically disappear....

Boom Shakalaka.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  devangelical @1.1    3 weeks ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were fudged to reflect that. Or that some people might actually buy that.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    3 weeks ago

Nothing coming from the CDC or Dr. Fauci can be trusted since the covid-19 epidemic has been politicized by the left wingers and their supporters.

 
 
 
Gsquared
1.2.1  Gsquared  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    3 weeks ago

More reactionary projection.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

attempting to control the narrative is second only to breathing for some. we see it here every day.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    3 weeks ago
Nothing coming from the CDC or Dr. Fauci can be trusted since the covid-19 epidemic has been politicized by the left wingers and their supporters.

Do you believe anything about COVID from Trump?  Remember, the CDC is a government department, so Trump controlled.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.3    3 weeks ago

He is a Trumper so of course he will take the word of Hair Hitler over the experts.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.4    3 weeks ago

He is a Trumper so of course he will take the word of Hair Hitler over the experts.

He'll have to let us know how those UV light injections went.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.2.6  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.4    3 weeks ago
Hair Hitler

Ha!!!

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2.7  Gordy327  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.5    3 weeks ago
He'll have to let us know how those UV light injections went.

What about the bleach ingestions? jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.2.8  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.5    3 weeks ago
He'll have to let us know how those UV light injections went

Well, it's an oldie, but a goodie.

Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time Forgot”?

Ultraviolet blood irradiation (UBI) was extensively used in the 1940s and 1950s to treat many diseases including septicemia, pneumonia, tuberculosis, arthritis, asthma and even poliomyelitis. The early studies were carried out by several physicians in USA and published in the American Journal of Surgery. However with the development of antibiotics, UBI use declined and it has now been called “the cure that time forgot”.

. . .

We would like to propose that UBI be reconsidered and re-investigated as a treatment for systemic infections caused by multi-drug resistant Gram-positive and Gram-negative bacteria in patients who are running out of (or who have already run out) of options. Patients at risk of death from sepsis could also be considered as candidates for UBI. 

Here is more on the treatment along with a list of medical practitioners reportedly using the therapy .

More on it here

David Brenner, PhD, director of the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia University, says there is a narrow band of UV light called “far-UVC” that can kill viruses without getting through living skin cells.

So, it's an old idea and if people are investigating ways to use it to treat coronavirus patients, why should anyone object or mock the idea? Just because Trump liked it?

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.2.9  Tacos!  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.7    3 weeks ago
What about the bleach ingestions?

What about them?

Here is what Trump actually said:

Then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. Is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside? Or almost a cleaning, ‘cause you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that.

When did Trump say anything about bleach, much less ingesting it or anything else? He used the words "disinfectant" and "injection."

Disinfectant≠Bleach and Injection≠Ingestion.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @1.2.9    3 weeks ago
When did Trump say anything about bleach, much less ingesting it or anything else? He used the words "disinfectant" and "injection."

Come on, you know it doesn't jibe with their narrative if they actually told the truth!

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2.11  Gordy327  replied to  Tacos! @1.2.9    3 weeks ago

I guess you didn't realize I was being sarcastic. My bad, I forgot to put the 'sarc' tag in.

As if "disinfectant" & "injection" is any better!

 
 
 
MAGA
1.2.13  MAGA  replied to  Tacos! @1.2.8    2 weeks ago

Yes, because because Trump likes or mentioned it!  Just look at how many have died because of the resistance to hydrochloroquiene just because the President mentioned it?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  MAGA @1.2.13    2 weeks ago

"Just look at how many have died because of the resistance to hydrochloroquiene just because the President mentioned it?"

How many have died?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.15  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @1.2.8    2 weeks ago
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Nerm_L
1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    3 weeks ago
I can't wait to see who defends this appalling move.  Hospitals are being ordered to bypass CDC when reporting virus updates.

NEWS FLASH:  The CDC is part of the Trump administration.  The hospital data has been sent to the Trump administration all along.  

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.3.1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3    3 weeks ago
NEWS FLASH:  The CDC is part of the Trump administration.  The hospital data has been sent to the Trump administration all along.

NEWS FLASH:

Bypass:

VERB
  1. go past or around.
    "bypass the farm and continue to the road"
    synonyms:
    go around   ·   go past   ·   make a detour around   ·   pass around   ·   avoid   ·   keep out of   ·   don't go near
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

Anyone care to grade the CDC on their preparation for and handling of the coronavirus?

Let's see: test kits that were rare and malfunctioned. CDC originally told us that the virus spread through “droplets” from coughs and sneezes. But then it later warned about catching the virus from people with no symptoms, or even from surfaces. The CDC originally said Americans don’t need masks. It later reversed the recommendation saying Americans should be wearing cloth masks. The CDC signed off on releasing a projection model warning of coronavirus daily deaths doubling by June.  The model's creator said it wasn't finished!

 
 
 
devangelical
2.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    3 weeks ago

the buck stops where?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @2.1    3 weeks ago

With the CDC

 
 
 
devangelical
2.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

the agency that POS/POTUS knee-capped before the pandemic started...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

The President followed their advice.

They failed. Pure and simple.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

Wrong again there Vic..... The CDC doesn't have the bully pulpit that Trump does and Trump and Co have undermined the CDC's guidelines since the day they came out.

Nearly 140,000 dead and climbing Vic.   Is that your idea of "winning"?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.4    3 weeks ago
Nearly 140,000 dead and climbing Vic.   Is that your idea of "winning"?

Should we go to war with China?  They are directly responsible for those deaths

Should we prosecute progressive governors like Cuomo who put infected people into nursing homes?


Odd how progressives seek to place blame

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  devangelical @2.1.2    3 weeks ago
the agency that POS/POTUS knee-capped before the pandemic started...

That didn't happen. Please explain your reasoning and give evidence and how it affected the problem.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.7  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

The virus may have originated from China Vic, but this administration's poor response only added to the death count.

Why is it that every EU country has managed to drive their infection and death rates down while ours rates are climbing?  Are you going to say that  the EU countries are better than we are Vic?

The lack of leadership in the WH is why this virus is out of control in the United States.  And you continuing to not hold Trump accountable for it just proves you don't give a shit about America or her people.    

 

 
 
 
Gsquared
2.1.8  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

Through the looking glass, again...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.4    3 weeks ago
Is that your idea of "winning"?

If this is the "winning" Trump spoke of then he's right, Americans are tired of it.

Could you imagine if it were Obama as President in the middle of a pandemic with over 2 million Americans infected and 136,000 dead with record job losses and a tanked economy? Do you think conservative Republicans would have given him a pass for claiming at the outset of the pandemic:

  “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”

“when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”

“Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,”

The pandemic is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.”

The pandemic is “getting under control.”

“99%” of COVID-19 cases are “totally harmless.”

“We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.” (We actually have the world’s ninth-worst mortality rate, with 41.33 deaths per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University.)

Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. We—they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful ” and   “If somebody wants to be tested right now, they’ll be able to be tested.” (both statements demonstrably false)

I can't imagine there being an honest conservative Republican willing to admit they would be losing their shit right now if that was a Democrat President in charge making those statements. Perhaps there simply are no honest conservative Republicans left after we saw the flood of prominent Republicans leave the party once Trump captured and defiled it.

https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-who-left-gop-because-trump-1447767

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/07/02/cracks-in-the-republican-party-establishment-are-getting-bigger/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/upshot/poll-trump-defectors-2020-election.html

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.9    3 weeks ago

yes, I can imagine if Obama was President during this pandemic. the left would be praising him nonstop

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.1.11  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    3 weeks ago
Odd how progressives seek to place blame

And equally, how the apologists seek to deflect any responsibility.

The fact that the CDC is part of the Federal government and the necessary information they collate is now being circumvented by the ostensible head of the government simply because the facts do not match the narrative is evidence enough that this is purely another political re-election obfuscation of an inconvenient truth.

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.12  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.10    3 weeks ago

You must have a wild imagination to think Barack Obama would ever screw anything up as badly as Trump has the federal response to this Covid-19 Crisis. Two thirds of all Americans believe Trump has failed!

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/506718-two-thirds-of-americans-disapprove-of-trumps-handling-of-coronavirus

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
2.1.13  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.10    3 weeks ago
yes, I can imagine if Obama was President during this pandemic. the left would be praising him nonstop

If Obama behaved the same way Trump is behaving, praising him nonstop is the last thing anyone would be doing.

Quick question:  Do you know anyone who has had Covid-19 or has died from it?  I seriously want to know.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  JBB @2.1.12    3 weeks ago
You must have a wild imagination to think Barack Obama would ever screw anything up as badly as Trump

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/05/even-joe-bidens-top-adviser-admits-obama-biden-botched-the-h1n1-response-n388144

Top Adviser to Joe Biden Admitted Obama and Biden Botched the H1N1 Response

“It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history,” Klain said of H1N1 in 2019.  “It had nothing to do with us doing anything right.  It just had to do with luck. 

The true fatality rate for the coronavirus is not known yet, but here’s what the death count would have looked like for H1N1 if it had the same lethality as the coronavirus based  on various estimates  of its case fatality rate:

  • World Health Organization (3.4%):  2.0 million deaths
  • Dr. Fauci (2.0%):  1.2 million deaths
  • The New York Antibody Study (.72%):  439,200 deaths
  • Lancet Study (.66%):  402,600 deaths
  • Santa Clara Antibody Study (.09% to .14%):  54,900 – 85,400 deaths

So, Mr. Klain was absolutely right that the Obama-Biden administration was essentially lucky that H1N1 wasn’t more lethal. It had only a .02 percent case fatality rate, so despite their inability to contain the virus (they didn’t close travel with other countries or implement social distancing) the widespread infection resulted in the deaths of 12,649 Americans over the course of the year. Klain points to the failure of the Obama-Biden administration to produce enough doses of the vaccine as the primary failure of their response.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.1.15  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.10    3 weeks ago
the left would be praising him nonstop

Nice attempt at deflection. Thanks for providing more evidence that honest Republicans have already left the party and no longer support dishonest Donald.

 
 
 
Ender
2.1.16  Ender  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.13    3 weeks ago
If Obama behaved the same way Trump is behaving, praising him nonstop is the last thing anyone would be doing

It always amazes me when people say Obama was worshiped, when that is exactly what they do with donald.

They worship him, praise his every move (even when obviously asinine) and even go as far as to call him sent by God.

Butt, Butt, Obama !

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.17  JBB  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.14    3 weeks ago

PJ Media is a spoof site. Bad rightwing satire...

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.18  It Is ME  replied to  JBB @2.1.17    3 weeks ago
PJ Media is a spoof site. Bad rightwing satire...

Does this help ?

https://groups.io/g/Hope4America/message/172156

Even Politico couldn’t deny the facts. “An extensive review of the handling of H1N1, including   the examination of public records and congressional testimony, suggests the response was not the panacea portrayed by the Biden camp and its defenders,” they explained. Biden’s role in the response has even been overstated—not just by Biden, but by Barack Obama, who in his endorsement video credited Biden with helping him “manage H1N1” and preventing the Ebola pandemic from spreading.

OR THIS:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/04/joe-biden-contain-h1n1-virus-232992

The snafu was the first of many scrambles and setbacks by the Obama administration in its initial response to the swine flu. POLITICO interviewed almost two dozen people, including administration officials, members of Congress and outsiders who contended with the administration’s response, and they described a litany of sadly familiar obstacles: vaccine shortfalls, fights over funding and sometimes contradictory messaging.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.19  Tacos!  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.7    3 weeks ago
Why is it that every EU country has managed to drive their infection and death rates down while ours rates are climbing?

That's a good question. Why is it?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    3 weeks ago
"The 'president' followed their advice."

WHEN?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    3 weeks ago
"Should we go to war with China?  They are directly responsible for those deaths"

No, tRump is directly responsible for those deaths

"Odd how progressives seek to place blame"

"President Trump on Monday again sought to redirect blame for his           coronavirus               response to the Obama administration.

Trump, who has repeatedly claimed that increased testing has led to a spike in U.S. COVID-19 cases, was asked by a reporter at the White House whether he was concerned about a resurgence of the virus that has           killed more than 135,000 Americans and infected more than 3.3 million       .

“We have one of the lowest mortality rates anywhere,” the president said before pivoting to an attack on Barack Obama and Joe Biden, the presumptive 2020 Democratic nominee.

“Biden and Obama stopped their testing,” Trump said. “They just stopped it. You probably know that. I’m sure you don’t want to report it. But they stopped testing. Right in the middle, they just went, ‘No more testing.’”

What was that you were saying Vic?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.14    3 weeks ago
"PJ Media?"
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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
2.1.23  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Ender @2.1.16    3 weeks ago
It always amazes me when people say Obama was worshiped, when that is exactly what they do with donald.

Too right!

There were a couple of times I wanted to ask Obama for my vote back, and I was stupid vocal about it.  If you want to see me lose my shit in 30 seconds or less, just mention Obama's White House invitation to 'Clock Boy', Ahmed Mohamed.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.24  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.22    3 weeks ago

You missed the others I linked to (Comment No. 2.1.18)...... huh ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

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Suz
2.1.25  Suz  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.13    3 weeks ago
"If Obama behaved the same way Trump is behaving, praising him nonstop is the last thing anyone would be doing."

You and other Obama supporters would defend him and to suggest otherwise is silly.  I know too many Obama supporters who would disagree with you too. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  Suz @2.1.25    3 weeks ago

"You and other Obama supporters would defend him and to suggest otherwise is silly.  I know too many Obama supporters who would disagree with you too."

So you can read people's minds dear?  Didn't she just say SHE DIDN'T DEFEND EVERYTHING HE DID?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.18    3 weeks ago

Isn't Hope4America a blog?

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.28  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.27    3 weeks ago
Isn't Hope4America a blog?

As also seen in comment 2.1.18:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/04/joe-biden-contain-h1n1-virus-232992

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.28    3 weeks ago

So, no answer. . . 

Typical

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
2.1.30  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Suz @2.1.25    3 weeks ago
You and other Obama supporters would defend him and to suggest otherwise is silly.  I know too many Obama supporters who would disagree with you too.

Suggest?  I wasn't suggesting.  I was flat out stating that I had no problem criticizing Obama when it was warranted.  I have no problem criticizing anyone when I think it is warranted.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.31  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.19    3 weeks ago

Just spitballing here but I would posit that leadership made the difference between the EU and the US. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.32  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.29    3 weeks ago
So, no answer. . . 

There was....but in typical fashion.....YOU missed it.....AGAIN ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

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Tacos!
2.1.33  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @2.1.31    3 weeks ago

How so?

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.34  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.33    3 weeks ago

It exists in the EU. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.35  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @2.1.34    3 weeks ago

Explain what you mean.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.36  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.35    3 weeks ago

Which word didn't you understand? 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.37  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @2.1.36    3 weeks ago

It's pretty simple. All you have to do is explain the difference in leadership and how that had the impact you think it did.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1.38  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    3 weeks ago
"Should we go to war with China?"

Only if you've already built your fallout shelter and outfitted it for a VERY long isolation.  China landed a lunar probe on the other side of the moon, so it's likely that they would be able to obliterate NYC, L.A., Washington D.C., Chicago, Boston and Houston, plus at least a dozen or so other major cities. So do you care to go to war with China?

"They are directly responsible for those deaths"

Trump's mismanagement is NOT AT ALL responsible for the ASTRONOMICAL numbers of infections and deaths in America? jrSmiley_40_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.39  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.37    3 weeks ago

I already have. It exists in the EU, 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.40  Dulay  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.23    3 weeks ago

Oh for the days when an incident like 'clock boy' was worthy to be deemed a scandal. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.41  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @2.1.39    3 weeks ago
I already have.

No you haven't. Why are you dodging the request to simply explain your own thoughts? This was a statement you made.

I would posit that leadership made the difference between the EU and the US

But you don't want to say how that leadership is defined or manifested. You don't want to illustrate the cause and effect relationship between that leadership and the results of virus infection. It's looking more and more like you were just shooting your mouth off with a jab at America vs Europe. If that's it, fine. [deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.42  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @2.1.12    3 weeks ago

Y"ou must have a wild imagination to think Barack Obama would ever screw anything up as badly as Trump has the federal response to this Covid-19 Crisis. Two thirds of all Americans believe Trump has failed!"

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/506718-two-thirds-of-americans-disapprove-of-trumps-handling-of-coronavirus

72% of Americans believe that tRump is a complete and total failure at EVERYTHING.

That leaves 28%, tRump's base, which is dwindling daily . . . . 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.43  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @2.1.31    3 weeks ago

"Just spitballing here but I would posit that leadership made the difference between the EU and the US."

Yes, the complete lack of leadership since he became 'president'.  Every state has been left to their own devices in every single matter.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.44  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.41    3 weeks ago
"No you haven't."

Yes, he has.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.45  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.44    3 weeks ago

Oh good. Well since I didn't understand it, maybe you could explain it. You seem like a smart person.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.46  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.41    3 weeks ago
No you haven't. Why are you dodging the request to simply explain your own thoughts?

Again, I did. Why are you refusing to accept my answer? 

Mine was a simple statement that is self-explanatory. 

But you don't want to say how that leadership is defined or manifested. You don't want to illustrate the cause and effect relationship between that leadership and the results of virus infection. It's looking more and more like you were just shooting your mouth off with a jab at America vs Europe. If that's it, fine. Just say so and I'll stop giving you a chance to show you had something interesting to say.

Why would I waste my time getting into an existential discussion with you? I hope it comes as no surprise to you that I feel no compunction to explain anything to you or anyone else here. I could not care less what you may find interesting. 

Oh and BTFW, you have no authority here to give or take anything. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.47  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @2.1.46    3 weeks ago
Mine was a simple statement that is self-explanatory.

Simple indeed. Very well. Your statement was wrong. And I see no reason to explain it because I think it's self-explanatory.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.48  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.47    3 weeks ago

No, his statement was correct.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.49  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.48    3 weeks ago

No his statement was wrong, and so was yours. So very very very very wrong. Wrong statements from both of you.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.50  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.23    3 weeks ago
If you want to see me lose my shit in 30 seconds or less, just mention Obama's White House invitation to 'Clock Boy', Ahmed Mohamed.  

Clock Boy

 
 
 
Ender
2.1.51  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.50    3 weeks ago

I didn't remember that, had to look it up.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.52  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.49    3 weeks ago

No.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.53  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @2.1.51    3 weeks ago

I'm yanking Sister's chain

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1.54  gooseisgone  replied to  Dulay @2.1.46    3 weeks ago
Again, I did. Why are you refusing to accept my answer? 

Well........because you never gave an answer or is "It exists in the EU" an answer. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
2.1.55  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.50    3 weeks ago
Clock Boy

 Oh no you didn't!

Slowly I turn, step by step...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.56  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.55    3 weeks ago

I'll go slink off to my corner and spank myself until you tell me to stop

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.57  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.47    3 weeks ago
Simple indeed. Very well.

Yep. 

Your statement was wrong.

I'm pretty fucking sure that there IS leadership in the EU. 

And I see no reason to explain it because I think it's self-explanatory.

I don't care why you hold that false opinion. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.58  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.49    3 weeks ago

What's next, rolling on the floor and holding your breath? 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.59  Dulay  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.54    3 weeks ago
Well........because you never gave an answer or is "It exists in the EU" an answer. 

Yes. That is an answer. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.60  Tacos!  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.54    3 weeks ago

See? Clear as mud.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
2.1.61  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.56    3 weeks ago
I'll go slink off to my corner and spank myself until you tell me to stop

Pics or it's not true!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.62  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.45    3 weeks ago
[removed]
[(do not use spacing to make a insult)]
 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.63  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.60    3 weeks ago
See? Clear as mud.

Well gee, I gave YOU the chance to cite which word you didn't understand and you took a pass, even though you've admitted that you did NOT understand. That's on you. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.64  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @2.1.63    3 weeks ago

Wrong again. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.65  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.64    3 weeks ago
Wrong again. 

Really? Let's see what you said:

Oh good. Well since I didn't understand it, maybe you could explain it. You seem like a smart person.

The 'it' in that sentence is my comment. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.66  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @2.1.65    3 weeks ago

You keep spinning, but no one's buying your story.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.67  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.66    3 weeks ago
You keep spinning, but no one's buying your story.

Perhaps you can explain how QUOTING you is spinning Tacos!? 

Wouldn't your statement have to have been spinning in the first place? 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.68  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @2.1.67    2 weeks ago

You're not helping yourself. jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.69  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.68    2 weeks ago
You're not helping yourself.

I have no need of help. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.70  igknorantzrulz  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.62    2 weeks ago

butt,  out in space ,  i'm spaced out, so realize the gravity of your exageration, as it will pull ewe and utters, a weigh from the heavy truth lies within watt i herd , out in s p a c e, asz whole hearted Lee Will Disagree, C ?

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1.71  gooseisgone  replied to  Dulay @2.1.59    2 weeks ago
Yes. That is an answer.

Ha Ha that's a good one!!!  Nothing exists in the EU so you have no answer, but thanks for playing and wasting Tacos and my time.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.72  MAGA  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.42    2 weeks ago

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jul21?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.73  Tessylo  replied to  MAGA @2.1.72    2 weeks ago

You are incorrect, as usual.

72% disapprove of tRump's handling/mishandling of everything.

That leaves 28%, his base.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.74  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.66    2 weeks ago

"You keep spinning, but no one's buying your story."

No, no one is buying YOUR story 

Or YOUR spinning

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    3 weeks ago

Just as soon as you acknowledge that the Trump Administration should have adhered to and pushed the CDC guidelines nationally back in March.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2    3 weeks ago

What guidelines and how did the Trump administration fail to push them?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.2.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.1    3 weeks ago

Trump is breaking every rule in the CDC’s 450-page playbook for health crisis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/14/cdc-manual-crisis-coronavirus-trump/

How about Trump supporting Michigan protests against shelter in place orders from the governor.  How about simply pushing the need for wearing a mask Greg?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

Opinions still differ on the efficacy of wearing a mask.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.2.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.3    3 weeks ago

Of course.... Opinions are all that you seem to hang on.....  Please post again when you have something substantive.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2.5  r.t..b...  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.3    3 weeks ago
Opinions still differ on the efficacy of wearing a mask.

There are still some that hold to the opinion that the Earth is flat.

 
 
 
Suz
2.2.6  Suz  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2    3 weeks ago

So, what your saying is it's just the one thing and one thing only that pissed you off about Trump when it came to the pandemic.  Since that is all you're asking for others to admit, I want to be sure before I answer.

 
 
 
Suz
2.2.7  Suz  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.5    3 weeks ago

I'll help you overcome that belief. :-)

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.2.8  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.3    3 weeks ago

Masks themselves have different degrees of efficacy. But masks have been demonstrated to be quite effective, especially when supplemented with other precautionary measuresults like social distancing.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    3 weeks ago

I give the tRump White Trash House an F/failure/incompetent

I'll take the word of scientists/researchers/doctors over the tRump trash administration

 
 
 
PJ
3  PJ    3 weeks ago

I will be interested in seeing how they dismantle the systems that are already in place.  However this data is sent to CDC you can bet there is a complicated system set up.  One that cannot be easily sidelined or quickly copied.  These systems have been in place for decades.  I imagine they can't just be shut down.  I would also want to know what information is transmitted with this data.  People that monitor this information typically have unique training and credentials.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  PJ @3    3 weeks ago

Perhaps now we will be getting the true figures before the CDC can fudge and manipulate the data.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    3 weeks ago

Do you mean to say there may be ideologues over at the CDC?

More than 1,000 employees of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have signed a letter calling on the agency to declare racism a public health crisis and to address “ongoing and recurring acts of racism and discrimination” against the organization’s black employees.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-employees-call-on-agency-to-declare-racism-a-public-health-crisis/ar-BB16Gngh

That gives one a snapshot of the politics of the agency

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.1.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    3 weeks ago

removed

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.1.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    3 weeks ago
What.... racism isn't dangerous to one's heath Vic?  How about poverty Vic, think blacks getting paid 30% less than whites for the same job isn't detrimental to their health.  But enough of the derailment.
Get a grip Vic..... The CDC has never had been political until the asswipe-n-chief and your Qanon antivaxxer buddies said it was.

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.1.4  evilgenius  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Do you have an actual counter argument with data to back up your critique, or are you just dismissing 1000 health professionals out of personal bias?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilgenius @3.1.4    3 weeks ago

I did. I presented it.

How about you?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

deleted for context by charger

 
 
 
devangelical
3.1.7  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    3 weeks ago

[removed.]

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

Isn't the CDC held accountable by audits from the GAO or somebody?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1.9  Greg Jones  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

Provide proof that Trump undermined the so called guidelines.

When you have to resort to name calling and personal insults, you've lost the argument.

If I called someone a liar, I would get a demerit.

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.1.10  evilgenius  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    3 weeks ago
I did. I presented it.

No, you really didn't.

How about you?

I did not take sides. I asked to see an actual counter argument. Do you have one?

 
 
 
devangelical
3.1.11  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.9    3 weeks ago
Provide proof

pointless. keep looking for that birth certificate....

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.1.12  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    3 weeks ago

Figures..... you post and unsubstantiated lie, and when called on that lie, rather than backing it up, you want to cry for moderation.

The conspiracy types that support this corrupt administration need to have the lights turned on them so they can be seen for what they are..... 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.1.13  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.9    3 weeks ago

Still can't provide proof of any of your statements eh Greg..... 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  evilgenius @3.1.4    3 weeks ago

"Do you have an actual counter argument with data to back up your critique, or are you just dismissing 1000 health professionals out of personal bias?"

No, he does not.  

He said something about herd immunity on another seed and when I posted the data about how herd immunity does not work that way in regards to Co-Vid19,  that was completely ignored.  Just cherry picked one comment from the information I provided and ignored the rest.

So good luck with that.  

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.9    3 weeks ago
Provide proof that Trump undermined the so called guidelines.

First of all, they aren't 'so called guidlines', they're documented on the CDC website. 

Secondly, you'd have to have been living under a rock not to have heard of this:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/trump-doesnt-wear-coronavirus-mask-to-ford-plant.html

 
 
 
Suz
3.1.16  Suz  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

Vic, are you an antivaxxer?  Whatever that is?  Are you one?

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.17  Gordy327  replied to  Suz @3.1.16    3 weeks ago

An antivaxxer is someone who irrationally refuses to have vaccines and/or rejects the use of vaccines for diseases for whatever (and often absurd) reasons. The most common are those who reject vaccines because they actually believe vaccines cause autism. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.18  Gordy327  replied to  Suz @3.1.16    3 weeks ago

An antivaxxer is someone who irrationally refuses to have vaccines and/or rejects the use of vaccines for diseases for whatever (and often absurd) reasons. The most common are those who reject vaccines because they actually believe vaccines cause autism. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.19  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.13    3 weeks ago

He never will.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.20  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.8    3 weeks ago
"Isn't the CDC held accountable by audits from the GAO or somebody?"

But Trump will not be accountable to any auditing authority, so watch the numbers start to decrease when he starts announcing them.  He said the virus will just disappear, like a miracle, so watch him provide the miracle with the numbers (while the hospitals run out of beds and the cemeteries run out of space).

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.20    3 weeks ago
He said the virus will just disappear, like a miracle, so watch him provide the miracle

That's funny, Buzz.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4  The Magic Eight Ball    3 weeks ago

ya simply can not believe anything anymore.

test positive for covid and then get in a car wreck....     your now counted as a covid death

 
 
 
loki12
4.1  loki12  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    3 weeks ago
test positive for covid and then get in a car wreck....     your now counted as a covid death

I'm waiting for DeBlasio to figure this out, His murder rate will drop back to near zero.  

Obviously Covid related,

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/nyregion/dismembered-body-houston-street-manhattan.html

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.2  Greg Jones  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    3 weeks ago

It's likely they are counting all deaths from the seasonal flu as a covid death...to fudge the data of course.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.2.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2    3 weeks ago

It's likely they are counting all deaths from the seasonal flu as a covid death...to fudge the data of course.

Proof Greg?

Remember, back in school you were required to show your work.....

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
4.2.2  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2    3 weeks ago
It's likely they are counting all deaths from the seasonal flu as a covid death...to fudge the data of course.

Prove it with a verifiable link, or stop saying it.

 
 
 
Suz
4.2.3  Suz  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.2.1    3 weeks ago

That never worked for me in math. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.2.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Suz @4.2.3    3 weeks ago

It's been close to 35 years since my last math class, and I still show my work......     

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.2.4    3 weeks ago

It's the only way I still do complicated equations today...you know...like 2 + 2....

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.2.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.5    2 weeks ago

watt for

 
 
 
cjcold
4.2.7  cjcold  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.2.4    2 weeks ago

That's what my TI-85 is for.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    3 weeks ago
ya simply can not believe anything anymore

That is exactly what dishonest Donald hopes his followers keep thinking. That way none of his incompetence will matter because none of them will believe anything the media is telling them even if there is incontrovertible video evidence, they'll just dismiss it as a "deep fake" from the "deep state". So now their Dear Leader can literally do anything he wants, like some infallible Emperor, he can lie and piss on their faces and they'll convince themselves it's just raining and lap it up.

The numbers don't lie, at least they haven't been. With Trump trying to control the data that won't last long.

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
5  Adam_Selene    3 weeks ago

I think Johns Hopkins may give us a work around. Looks like they get a lot of data direct from the hospitals and states - not just the CDC.

It is interesting that a President with imaginary friends and imaginary countries will now be able to have a nation with many of thousands of people who are experiencing only imaginary death. Perhaps he is counting on their imaginary votes?

 
 
 
Ender
6  Ender    3 weeks ago
database that will receive new information is not open to the public

So now the true numbers will be held in the shadows.

How people can know donald lies, about everything, and think they will ever get a clear picture going forward...

It is his way of controlling the data and the narrative.

The people be damned. An after thought.

Sad to me that supposed freedom loving people keep cheering on a more and more centralized government.

Just shows me that all their 'freedom' bluster was bullshit. They will follow blindly, if not militantly, what ever dear leader says.

Sickening.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Ender @6    3 weeks ago
Sad to me that supposed freedom loving people keep cheering on a more and more centralized government.

The irony is palpable. The only positive thing to say about this Presidency is the transparency. Every single move is made to replicate his 2016 election success. That so many accept this self-serving agenda is less a paean to the transparency, but more a cautionary tale of the danger of opaque obsequiousness to a personality rather than fealty to an ideal.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ender @6    3 weeks ago
"database that will receive new information is not open to the public"

"So now the true numbers will be held in the shadows.

How people can know donald lies, about everything, and think they will ever get a clear picture going forward...

It is his way of controlling the data and the narrative."

Now Trump will be able to create the miracle he predicted - you are now bound to see the numbers that will be announced by him to be decreasing, rather than increasing.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    3 weeks ago

I don't know what the result of this will be, but I do know that what has been coming out of the CDC has not exactly inspired confidence. I see no justification for acting like all has been well and only now will it be ruined.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

I would rather take the word of the CDC and doctors and scientists and researchers than the tRump White Trash House.

Thanks!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9  Paula Bartholomew    3 weeks ago

Trump won't read anything sent to him and he will just make up bs and make this all about him....as usual.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9    3 weeks ago

If the trends with respect to the virus keep trending the way they are...... the election most certainty will become a referendum on his poor of response to it. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1    3 weeks ago

But that's why Trump has taken control of the numbers - you will now see him start to announce reductions in all numbers so that he can make his "miracle" come true.

 
 
 
Tessylo
10  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

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They're using the same plan to re-open schools. . .

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
10.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tessylo @10    3 weeks ago

That can't be the plan Tess....... It's too organized.  Right now there is NO PLAN and NO LEADERSHIP coming from the WH.

In reality..... based on what I'm hearing from rabid Trump supporters..... this lack of Covid response is another facet of Trump's need to keep his base energized for the election.  In poll after poll related to Covid, there is a solid 32% or so that will not budge from the president no matter how lacking his leadership is.  The brainwashing with them is complete.

Be sure of this.... Unless Trump ends up in prison after being voted out of office, he will still be in control of what was the GOP.  His base within the GOP will still be calling the shots.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
10.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @10.1    3 weeks ago
In poll after poll related to Covid, there is a solid 32% or so that will not budge from the president no matter how lacking his leadership is. 

I don't know if it's brain washing but I'm pretty certain the rabid supporters just want to piss off liberal and moderate Americans. I really do believe that none of them actually think he's doing a great job they just hype him up and appear to worship every lie that drips out of his puckered up mouth just so they can scream "fuck you" at people who won't vote for trmp.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
11  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 weeks ago

Not like the information being provided by the state is accurate.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/florida-coronavirus-tests-hospital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200610094112.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/commercial-lab-surveys.html

Has anybody noticed the lack of Flu information being published?  Every year we hear of people dying from the flu but for some reason that number seems to be at zero for 2020.

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11    2 weeks ago

Well, HELLO, it's NOT FLU SEASON YET.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
11.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @11.1    2 weeks ago

Maybe not where you are.  Here they start reporting Flu Deaths as early as March some years.

 
 
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