Florida, hard hit by coronavirus this summer, will reopen bars and restaurants with no restrictions
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis announced on Friday that Florida, hard hit by coronavirus pandemic this summer, was moving into Phase 3 of reopening, lifting all restrictions on restaurants and businesses.
DeSantis, a Republican, said restaurants, hotels and bars across the state can immediately reopen at full capacity. A staunch supporter of President Donald Trump, DeSantis has been widely criticized in the past for reopening Florida early in the pandemic — a move that came after the governor met with the president."
The order would also prohibit local governments from restricting business operations unless they can justify the economic cost of such actions.
"There will not be limitations," DeSantis said at a press conference in St. Petersburg. "They can operate at a minimum of 50 percent regardless of local rule and then, if a local restricts between 50 and 100 [percent], they've got to provide the justification and they've got to identify what the costs involved with doing that are."
Florida governor announces restaurants, bars can reopen at full capacity
Bars are able to decide how to handle capacity at their establishments. Bars were allowed to reopen at 50 percent capacity on Sep. 10.
"If you want to go beyond the 50, you can authorize and do it," DeSantis said. "We're not telling you you have to, but we're not going to stand in the way of that, so that'll be a local decision if they want to try to do more capacity in some of the bars and pubs."
Gyms, hair salons and amusement parks were not addressed during the governor's announcement on Friday, but most gyms and businesses have already been operating at full capacity.
The Sunshine State suffered devastatinglossesthispastsummer after it reopened in May just as the coronavirus was starting to crest. Covid-19 infections clustered in South Florida, where municipal officials reinstated restrictions on bars and eateries in an effort to curb the spread of the coronavirus.
The uptick in cases during the months of July and August prompted the governor to close bars and restrict restaurants to take out only, but he has since slowly reopened the state for business even as the virus continues to decimate the U.S.
On Friday, Florida reported 2,541 new Covid-19 infections, bringing the state total to nearly 700,000 total confirmed cases. 177 deaths were recorded on Friday, bringing the cumulative state total to 13,914.
The state currently ranks third in most confirmed cases and fifth in deaths in the country since the pandemic began.
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Trying for record numbers? Is it a competition?
It's still upside downed with far right wing fascists
Well mini me didn't learn from the last major fuck up of his, which led to Florida being devastated by the virus. Now it's full steam ahead, again.
The testing for the virus in Florida is averaging in the mid 20K per day. We have a population of 21 million. The 7 day average of positivity rate is 11%.
The number of kids testing positive is moving up.
As both Trump and DeSantis have said, it mostly affects seniors...Well, dumb asses 26% of the population of Florida is over 60 years old.
Some restaurant owners seem to have much better sense than DeSantis.
I would urge all non-trump supporters to continue using the safety protocols until a vaccine is readily available.
The stupid that don't want to wear a mask and social distance will cull themselves out of the herd.....
I'm a big fan of natural selection. it's evident that patronizing morons leads to moron presidents.
Idiocracy in action.
That's what I was thinking.
I am shocked that this is a partisan thing. It just blows my mind.
That will be in about 30 days or so...
I'm confident trump will figure out a way to F everything up, like he has during the entire pandemic.
Look, people say Florida is the dumbest state in the union, you don't ACTUALLY have to sacrifice people to prove it.
with the help of trump sycophants, covid morphs into goober pox ...
I see hysterical fear mongering continues unabated.
How many elderly and ill people patronize restaurants and bars?
What is the death rate in Florida?
Economic and job losses have been devastating to small businesses and their employees.
Common sense restrictions like masking and distancing seem to work.
Florida has the highest population of senior citizens in the US at 20%. But what kind of question is that, anyway? It looks like you are saying people of age don't count because they don't (or shouldn't?) patronize restaurants and bars as much.
And this:
Common sense restrictions like masking and distancing seem to work.
...is interesting, considering DeSantis just discontinued mask penalties and gave bars and restaurants the chance to open 100% right now if they chose to do so. source
And on a somewhat related note, Trump has been encouraging voters in Florida to vote by mail. Why the serious about-face? Could it be because he knew he would lose votes if Florida seniors had to wait in long lines at polling stations? (The answer to that is yes.)
26% of Florida residents are over 60 years old. That should give you some idea of their impact on the Florida economy.
2.02% If that death rate is applied to the population of Florida that would be in the neighborhood of 400,000 deaths.
Did you actually read the article? It doesn't seem that you did.
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Did you note that DeSantis removed all penalties for refusal to wear masks? Do you remember the lack of compliance before those penalties went into effect?
The economy isn't coming back until we get control of the spread of the virus. PERIOD, full stop.
The economy is coming back in states that are re opening and not in those that are not. The unemployment rates in Fla. and Tex. compared to NY and Ca. are evidence of that.
FL and TX unemployment is going UP.
NY and CA unemployment is going DOWN.
You should probably actually read your sources to make sure they support your theory.
Take a real look at Texas numbers and then try to tell me that unemployment is increasing in Texas.
In FACT, Texas has lower unemployment (which is DECREASING, not INcreasing, btw) than California OR New York.
And preliminary numbers for Florida show a lower preliminary rate than either California OR New York.
Best try something else to bamboozle me with.
Don't fall for that crap.
Read his link, it will tell THE TRUTH.
As a matter of fact, if states like New York, California, New Jersey, Illinois, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Nevada, and New Mexico could get their unemployment rates down, the national average would go down considerably.
Maybe the data will be revised by the Dept. of Labor but Texas internal data estimates shows that unemployment claims more than doubled this last week.
Might have to wait a week to see which direction the State is going in.
At this point in time, I don't believe that we have a true reading of the unemployment situation.
Last week there were 870,000 new unemployment claims and 630,000 for gig workers, self-employed etc.
I believe it's the end of October that the government funding to corporations ends and some have said that without more support from the government there will be a large number of layoffs.
We shall see at the end of October what happens.
Here are the numbers from the source the poster provided:
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The airline industry is about to shed hundreds of thousands of jobs if the government doesn't resume emergency funding.
Both United and AA have said there will be thousands of layoff/terminations after OCT 1st if the feds don't pony up billions more. I suspect that many of the other airlines will be following suit.
They don’t want their numbers to go down before the election.
Nancy and Chuck are determined to make us all suffer in their attempt to inflict enough pain upon us in the hope we will then vote our President Trump. Well we won’t. We will bear whatever pain they inflict upon us to be able to inflict President Trump upon you all for four more years....
The chart #s for TX don't reflect the August shutdown. Bars are still shut down, right Tex? Your newspapers are freaking out about businesses closing permanently after the second shut down.
Whether TX's unemployment is higher or lower that CA or NY is irrelevant to my point.
Wow, revelatory! /s
What gets me is young people somehow thinking they will be fine and it is nothing.
Young people are dying, not to mention spreading it to others or any unknown about long term health implications.
It's ironic really. Yes of course, we all want to, "go back to normal", but people like DeSantis who promote no masks and no social distancing fail to realize that they are the biggest obstacle to "getting back to normal".
If we had a nation wide mask mandate for 2 weeks, it would likely drop the infection rates to the point where we could start, "getting back to normal".
Trump said in his campaign ad, that Biden will give in to covid and let it run wild. This, after trump has still to even endorse something as easy as wearing a fucking mask. Trump doesn't want covid to go away because endorsing measures to get rid of covid would blow a hole right through his, "it's a hoax" bullshit.
I appreciate the position that the state should not impose unilateral restrictions, but this is going to introduce problems. By stating phase III and removing restrictions, the governor is implicitly stating that the threat of infection is now down to the point where the state need not be so involved.
That message needs to be corrected. The governor should at the very least maintain a program, starting with him stating this directly, of reminding the people that COVID-19 infections are as potent now as they ever were. That social distancing and masks are every bit as important now as before. That people and businesses need to continue to be on their guard and be responsible.
Sure, I can see moving the decisions to local jurisdictions and even to the businesses and the consumers themselves. But not without a program of keeping the public informed of the risks so that they do not rationalize 'it is okay, the governor just moved us to phase III'.
Hey... I'm done with trying to talk stupid out of being stupid. Go to Trump rallies, don't wear a mask, don't social distance, continue to disregard science.... I don't care any more.
Stupid is on the ballot in November, and it's identified by the names with the "R" next to it. Vote for the other guy.
We know what to do.... Just vote blue!
Okay for bars and restaurants which people can avoid. Not okay for grocery stores, etc.
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In some places opposing or contrary viewpoints simply aren’t tolerated. We won’t let the blue city and blue state attitude spread to the rest of us.
I only put on my mask in a grocery store or other such place when or where ever I can’t socially distance. Sometimes I’ll go to Food Max instead of Walmart for groceries because it’s far less crowded and I’ll never be where I can’t socially distance while there. I wear one to church and to work but otherwise make a point of not wearing one anywhere else if I can socially distance outside of my home or car. I love making a point of being seen in public without one whenever I can just to spite blue politicians and their supporters everywhere. Reading the lamentations of our progressive on line news publication A news cafe here on matters such as this, as well as re opening, in person education, Trump parades, back the blue rallies, and religious gatherings is quite entertaining.
That is childish behavior; irresponsible too.
Well that is how a child would act.
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Why? How is it irresponsible to wear one at indoor church and work and other places where social distancing isn’t possible? I take responsible steps to keep myself and others safe. Does it bother you that I choose to spite blue state political leaders and their supporters by publicly not wearing one elsewhere outside my car and home where I can safely do so and make a political point? I say and do whatever I can where ever I can to safely support the police blue and re opening and Trump rallies and religious gatherings outdoors while opposing mandatory one size fits all plans everywhere. I feel I can keep myself and those I go close to safe while actively opposing blue state regime schemes and promote our local reopening in my red city and county.
Did you say that to 8.1.1 which I directly responded to or are you singling me out for the same thing your friend said?
Singling you out...There is that persecution complex again.
Here is what you wrote:
It is irresponsible and childish to purposely make a point of going maskless simply to spite others.
MAGA OPTICS: Look at me not wearing a mask ... those on the left are trying to control you by making you wear masks.
As opposed to:
GOOD OPTICS: This pandemic is serious shit and we should all do what we can to keep the infection rate down.
Irresponsible and childish.
Ignore science at your own peril...... I don't give a crap. Go to a Trump rally where nobody wants to social distance or wear a mask... Let them cull themselves out for being part of the Trump cult. Might just be the best contribution to America that Trump has participated in
Again I wear one of the instruments of external control at work and indoor church and in places I can’t socially distance. The fact that you don’t like it that I make a point of not wearing one where I can socially distance is music to my ears and all the more reason to continue as I’m doing.
Nice death wishing there!
Irresponsible and childish.
What's worse C4P:
A. Me allowing Trump supporters to do what they want..... (that liberty thingy....you're supposed to be big on.)
or
B. Trump holding the rally in the first place knowingly putting Americans lives at risk all while telling them it's a hoax?
American deaths from Covid: 36,000
American deaths from Trump's shit response to covid: 169,000 and counting....
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South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem 'schooling' Rachel Maddow? I'm sure you have a plausible reason for seeding an unrelated article within Perrie's seed about Florida and Ron DeSantis, but I can't seem to put my finger on it.
The 7 day moving average of positive COVID cases in SD is 24.2%.
Do you ever actually research anything?
Because the governors of both states share the same attitudes and outlook on the issue as I do so I thought they were related because to a conservative they are!
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So you are all good with deaths that could be prevented..... Who's death wishing now?
I also have to wonder how that squares with claiming to be "pro-life". Seems inconsistent to me. As if those "pro-life" views depend on who is being inconvenienced - the carrier of an unwanted pregnancy for 9 months, with discomfort, pain, and possible risk to health and life involved, versus a person who just doesn't wanna wear a mask for 20 minutes.
Exactly Sandy..... They are pro-life out of convenience not critical thinking.
Well, the government can't do the thinking for people. Just because a bar is open doesn't mean anyone has to go. Eating at restaurants isn't mandated by the government, you know.
See the problem with indoctrinating a population to simply do as they are told? See the problem with the idea that if something is legal it can't be wrong?
Nerm,
Again, it just doesn't work that way. You are counting on people being responsible and yet we have seen time and time again, they are not.
And worse than that, he is encouraging college kids to go out and party.
That is not being responsible. That is being a partisan hack at the cost of other's lives.
It’s definitely not responsible according to the nanny state advocates to count on the American people to be individually responsible and make good choices for their and their families lives. Individual liberty and personal responsibility are such immoral and un American concepts. Who could have dared to pollute the rabble with such thoughts is the question bi coastal progressive elitists ask themselves every day.
Yeah, there are people who lick ice cream. There are people who drive around the gates at railroad crossings. There are people who point lasers at aircraft.
Those who act irresponsibly aren't forcing anyone to go to a bar or restaurant. Just because someone is allowed to do something stupid doesn't mean everyone else is being deprived.
The government can't do the thinking for those who are simply stupid. And it's impossible to eliminate stupidity with government mandates. Shutting down bars and restaurants only means stupid people will be stupid somewhere else. We've seen too many news reports to deny that reality, too. Opening bars and restaurants really isn't any different than allowing a red light district; the irresponsible behavior is somewhat contained and easier to trace.
Are we prepared to imprison people for acting stupidly? Are we prepared to follow the Chinese model of Reeducation Through Labor and build detention camps? How far are we willing to go to stop irresponsible behavior?
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OK this is how it goes, Nerm.
Since there will be no mandatory social distancing or mask wearing all those idiots who want to go into a bar, can get the virus. The masks only work, if both parties wear them. If only one does, the likelihood of the virus spreading increases. So I could pick up the virus, even if I am social distancing but the smuck ahead of me is not wearing a mask.
So I become a victim of the stupid.
When someone kills someone with a car because they were being reckless, they are charged with Vehicular manslaughter. What do you charge someone for not wearing a mask?
And nowhere in the US are we following what they did in China. Now that is fear-mongering.
If you are breaking the law, then that is the law.
That is correct. But you could also pick up the virus if the schmuck ahead of you is wearing a mask.
Masks reduce transmission of COVID by 30 pct. Masks won't stop spread of COVID.
If proper procedure is followed and the mask is well fitted, the mask can reduce chance of being infected by 65 pct. The proper procedure requires washing hands thoroughly before putting on the mask, washing hands thoroughly before removing the mask, and washing hands thoroughly after removing the mask. Splashing hand sanitizer isn't enough.
Only if you go to a bar, restaurant, or anywhere there is a crowd. The choice is yours.
People have been arrested and charged for spreading HIV. I'm surprised contact tracing hasn't been used for civil litigation.
That is correct. So, what do we do with the schmuck ahead of you that's not wearing a mask? Throw them in prison? Beat them senseless? Doxing? What is the alternative to following China's example?
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Whose law? Was it passed by a legislature and signed by a governor?
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“That is correct. So, what do we do with the schmuck ahead of you that's not wearing a mask? Throw them in prison? Beat them senseless? Doxing? What is the alternative to following China's example?”
Bingo! You said it well and are right on. The battle between the red state and the blue on this issue will persist no matter who wins the Presidency in November.
No. Ask them to put on a mask. If they don't get the store manager.
Not if they are not wearing a mask, because they could be carriers and my mask alone will not do it if I am in a grocery store with said moron. I lose my choice.
Tell me how well that idea would go over. Oh yeah you did here:
Normal people ask the moron to put on a mask and when they don't they get the store manager.
We live in a society and as such, we have a social contract. If mask-wearing protects against this disease, it is a small inconvenience.
Good point. But she wrote 'ask', not 'demand'. And certainly if the store has no policy of masks and/or there are no governmental requirements then going to the store manager would be pointless. In this case I suspect Perrie would not say anything and instead choose to no longer be a patron of the store.
But if a store has a mask policy (which is the norm nowadays), what Perrie suggested is perfectly reasonable.
Again, part of the social contract. The science is there that shows mutual mask wearing is the safest way to go. And btw, that person without a mask, is spreading their germs on surfaces everywhere. So even after they leave, people can bring that into their homes without even knowing.
Look, I am sick and tired of your insults.
We are in the middle of a national disaster. In the good old days, people worked together on this. This virus is a major killer. As far as I remember, no one has ever asked for this before other than 1918.
Here is a concept. We have to follow loads of rules both on the books and part of our social contract. If you get in your car drunk and kill someone, you go to jail. There have been people who knew they were sick and went out in public and that is just messed up. At least a mask might have mitigated their spreading of the disease.
And I did that at a local beverage store over the summer and a Carvel. And they have lost me as a customer and my family. And for the record, I could have reported them to NYS, but I didn't.
Where did I say that? Please show me.
With some, I spend more time correcting inexplicable misrepresentation of my words than making comments. It is as if there is some unseen force that drives some to simply presume notions rather than pay attention to what was actually written.
Masks and social distancing are not perfect protection. But it is far safer to go to a store where everyone is wearing a mask and social distancing than a store where some are not.
It is beyond maddening. I own my words. I don't need someone inventing new ones that I never said. It is purposeful misrepresentation.
What are you talking about? In NY, they get a ticket. That's what happens.
No the choice is not mine. Someone else made my choice for me, and that is wrong.
Insults get flagged. I flagged it. Next time don't insult me in a civil discussion.
What question? This one?
I didn't answer it because it was it is obvious. We have been living under those conditions forever and obviously, we never did anything about it. So really your question is just a reflection from a national emergency.
OK, then I guess they are free to drive drunk, too, because they have they are basing their choice on knowledge and experience.
Talk about cherry-picking the content of my comment. Another person after that comment might have actually insulted you, but I won't.
Why would you assume anything else?
Because I do the shopping for my family. And I said a beverage store, not a liquor store, so again, you are misrepresenting what I said.
I have direct experience with this. My 92 father-in-law lives with us. My wife and I are extremely careful to protect him. However, we necessarily must go to stores to buy groceries and supplies. We have been largely housebound this year and have been making use of delivery services where possible.
But, it is virtually impossible to avoid people entirely so I appreciate the considerate people who wear masks and maintain a social distance.
No, you do not lose your choice. Social distancing isn't dependent upon whether or not another person is wearing a mask. And the other person wearing a mask only lessens spread of the virus, assuming they are shedding the virus.
What you lose is convenience. It's necessary to be aware of your surroundings and adjust your behavior accordingly. It's necessary to pay attention to other people and exercise patience. The schmuck ahead of you wearing a mask doesn't eliminate the need to maintain distance.
The virus is small enough that it can pass through a mask. The mask is intended to stop droplets from coughing, sneezing, and talking but won't be as effective at stopping aerosols. People wearing masks doesn't eliminate the need to maintain distance. Yes, it's a pain in the ass but those are the guidelines. It's necessary to stand and wait for people to move on. And someone that invades my space just because I am wearing a mask is a threat. If I didn't wear a mask I would be safer from idiots who won't maintain distance. The guidelines are for a mask AND distance.
When I go shopping, I find a cart that has been left outside and take that into the store. If I can, I take one that is at the front of the rack since it has been there longer.
I only shop at stores with restrooms. When I'm finished shopping and take my items to the car, I have to go back into the store and thoroughly wash my hands with soap and water before I can remove my mask. I cannot remove my mask without washing my hands first. If the store doesn't have a restroom then I have to drive somewhere else to wash my hands before removing my mask.
In NYS, we call shops that carry large quantities of both soda and beer "beverage" stores. Liquor and wine are sold in liquor stores. And where I live there is no online service for pick up or delivery for any food goods, as if I couldn't figure that out myself.
Perrie never claimed social distancing is a function of wearing a mask.
Where did she say it did?
Is your entire post going to be strawman claims??
So now here is how I interpreted Perrie's comment.
Imagine Perrie in a grocery store. She is standing in line to check out and someone behind her is not wearing a mask and/or is not practicing social distancing. Her 'choice' is to ask the person to step back and wear a mask or she can leave her groceries at the counter and leave the store.
How about people just wear masks and social distance and thus engage in basic human decency?
Her choice is to stay in an environment that is at least baseline safe. If someone is maskless and not social distancing her choice is violated.
What is with this seemingly gratuitous nit-picking? It is not as if Perrie's comments are difficult to understand.
So you operate pretty much the same way we do.
You avoid people where possible. That is what Perrie does too. Now, certainly, if she is operating this way and has an additional concern for her elderly father-in-law and her parents, do you really not understand her concern when shopping for groceries in a store that requests masks and social distancing and yet be in proximity with patrons who violate the request?
No I don't have that choice since I am the person who does the food shopping. There is no delivery in my area.
Calling me comrade is an insult since I am not a communist and you know I am not.
No, I don't go on belief. I go by the CDC guidelines. You can find them online. Btw, I meant to write deflection, but my autocorrect kicked in.
So here you are agreeing with drunk driving laws and calling it carnage. Well in 2018, 10,511 people died in the US from drunk driving. We have over 200,000 dead and counting and you think that this worthy enough to make mask wearing necessary during a pandemic?
I chose those words because nothing is 100%
Again, I never said the word fear, did I? I don't want to get a nasty disease and then bring it home to my 92 year old FIL. That is called having a conscience and consideration.
As for others, yeah, this mask wearing thing only works if everyone does it. I can not remove myself from every situation, because some asshat is inconsiderate and finds wearing a mask a HUGE inconvenience, spraying their droplets everywhere on everything. How utterly inconsiderate to the people who have to work at these stores for a living and risk putting their families in danger.
Here is a great video that shows what mask wearing does just by talking:
That is correct. That's the choice. It isn't convenient but the choice is entirely hers.
When I am in the checkout line, I stand in front of the cart. I can maintain distance from the person ahead and the person behind cannot get closer. That also means I cannot place items on the conveyor until the person ahead has moved on. That's my choice. I am responsible for behaving in a way that enhances by safety and the safety of others. I am not responsible for anyone else feeling inconvenienced; that's their problem.
I use a shopping cart as a barrier. When some idiot invades my space, I walk around the cart to force distance and have to wait until the idiot moves on. I could make some rude comment but that would accomplish absolutely nothing. There isn't anything I can do to change an idiot's behavior.
No you stop:
Read what they carry.
So you choose to not comprehend Perrie's point and instead play juvenile word games. Pretty much what I figured.
Strawman
Real simple: Her choice is to stay in an environment that is at least baseline safe and purchase her groceries. If someone is maskless and not social distancing her choice is violated.
I never said charged. XDm did. And I know the difference between getting a ticket and being charged and arrested.
There is NO delivery service where I live. I don't need you to explain what I already know.
Which is an excellent question.
I do not either, I just avoid them when possible. I suspect that is what most people do.
I will then reiterate that there are times when it is necessary to be around others. You go to the store, you go to work. If you were sick or hurt, you would go to get medical attention. If you need new driver's tags or license you would get them. You buy fuel for your vehicles, parts for your equipment, supplies for your home. You run to Home Depot, etc. to get tools, materials, paint, etc. You are an adult living life in the USA, I need not remind you of these things.
Given I wrote that we minimize our encounters with people, there was no point that I can see for you to reiterate as you did. We were already in agreement on that point. And, notably, so is Perrie as illustrated by her collective comments.
Why not do both?
Okay, just reacting to what you wrote; I understand your clarification. And I know you do not feel the need to tell others what to do. As noted, I think most of us avoid such encounters in public largely because we know it is likely futile to ask someone to be more considerate of others when clearly, by their actions, they do not care.
Doesn't the argument Perrie makes require forcing people to wear masks for her protection? I have asked Perrie how far we would be willing to go to enforce mask wearing.
Why are you deliberately choosing to avoid the obvious questions? If we want to make people wear masks then how do we do that? Fine them into bankruptcy? Imprison them? Beat them senseless? Dox them? Public shaming? What is the kinder, gentler way to make people do what we want people to do?
And what do we do about people who do not wear masks properly? What do we do about people who have bought some cheap, worthless mask dumped on the market to make exorbitant profits? What do we do about people who wear masks but don't social distance? What do we do about people who know they are sick and go out in public anyway?
Perrie is arguing that she doesn't have a choice. And the remedy being proffered is to ensure no one has a choice. How do we accomplish that? How far are we willing to go to take away everyone's choice?
I understand the point Perrie is making. I disagree. And I am not resorting to disparaging Perrie or accusing her of strawman arguments to belittle her point of view.
Maybe start at the top? Maybe tell people it is dangerous instead of calling it nothing?
Maybe lead by example? Maybe tell people they should do it not only for their safety but for the safety of others?
Oh yeah, it is better to cause division and throw a rally.
Yes it does. As to how far, asked and answered many times here.
Again, asked and answered already. Please take the time to read the whole thread.
Well, that explains why birth control fails so often. The answer is nothing. They are trying.
It's not that hard to make a mask for a dime-store bandana.
I have asked people to back up while on line and I haven't had anyone say no when I ask nicely.
Hence why masks are so important. Do I need to post that video again?
No, what Perrie is saying is that she is going by the science and the CDC guidelines. We are in a national crisis, Nerm. Over 200,000 dead and climbing daily. The only way to ensure that we can keep things open is by following the CDC guidelines.
No I actually don't think you understand otherwise you would not be asking me the same thing over and over. As for disagreeing about what to do in a national disaster, here are your choices. You can become part of the solution or part of the problem. But since we live in a society, there is a social contract, like many other that we have.
What is the point of spinning what people say? You make it sound as though Perrie is being narcissistic. What is served by being so obnoxious?
This should be obvious. Given we continue to be dealing with a pandemic:
On top of that, I am greatly in favor of government proactively working to keep the people informed of the dangers and the basic ways to mitigate same. And that includes providing a good example. Certainly that implies that government officials should never downplay the danger (or exaggerate it).
Would it really make a difference if Trump wore a mask onto the stage and then removed the mask to speak? That's the example set by reporters, politicians, and health administrators giving testimony in crowded hearing rooms. I speculate that those who remove their masks to speak would point out they are social distancing. Trump does practice social distancing but that doesn't seem to receive any attention.
Everyone is placing a great deal of emphasis on wearing a mask while ignoring the importance of social distancing. Which is more important, wearing a mask or social distancing? What does the example set by public figures suggest?
The answer you provided is to depend upon voluntary compliance with your wishes. You ask and expect the other person to comply.
But people not wearing masks have already been asked and have refused to comply. The answer you provided does not address the reality of people refusing to comply. Hence my questions. And, no, you have not answered those questions.
The CDC guidelines are to wear a mask, to social distance, to use antiseptics and disinfectants, to ventilate enclosed spaces, and to avoid crowds. The CDC guidelines do not differentiate between essential and non-essential activities in public spaces. The CDC guidelines recommend to avoid shopping in poorly ventilated, crowded grocery stores, too.
The CDC guidelines depend upon voluntary compliance. People have made a choice to not comply with the CDC guidelines. Isn't that what you are talking about? My question to you is what do we do for people who have chosen not to comply?
Early on I received a postcard distributed by the CDC that says ' President Trump's Coronavirus Guidelines for America '. I still have the postcard and, if desired, I can scan it and post it here. The postcard I received has a little more info than the web page. The President has requested my compliance with the CDC guidelines. I assumed the postcard was sent to every household but I have no way to know if that is true.
Everyone in the United States has already been asked nicely to follow the CDC guidelines. So, how do we address the problem of those who have chosen voluntary non-compliance?
Yes, I do ask and have been asked when I am absent-minded and everyone complies out of necessity.
I have answered that. In NY it is mandatory to wear a mask. Those that don't comply are refused service and have been ticketed. Shops not complying can be reported although I have not. And yes I have answered these questions Nerm.
As for the CDC guidelines, in NY they are mandatory.
I never received a postcard distributed by the CDC that says ' President Trump's Coronavirus Guidelines for America '
And that is the point of this article. The goveners are supposed to make the state guidelines based on cases/ deaths etc. Almost every gov has adjusted their guidelines according to this. The only one who does not, is DeSantis.
Be a Karen?
Very good points well made. Each and every single one of them.
I don’t shop in stores that compel mask wearing as part of their policy. Sprouts, Costco. I voluntarily wear one in a store if or when I can’t socially distance within it. I do wear one at work and at church indoors where we can at 25% capacity in my part of California meet indoors. If I go inside a convenience mart where it’s me and the cashier behind the shield I never wear it. I keep me and others in proximity to me safe but otherwise make a point of being seen in public settings with social distancing and hand washing without a mask. So far no Karen has invaded my personal space to demand I put it on as its often visible in my hand in case I need to put it on for lack of distancing.
That's not the answer that has been provided on this thread. So, you are advocating involuntary compliance with the CDC guidelines. And increasing noncompliance requires more forceful enforcement of mandated compliance with CDC guidelines.
New York did not establish new guidelines. New York adopted the CDC guidelines as a regulation requiring enforcement. That was a choice made by New York. The issue isn't the CDC guidelines; the real issue is being able to call the law on those who do not follow the guidelines.
But that is not what you are advocating. The governors are not making state guidelines; the CDC has already issued guidelines. The governors are establishing an enforcement mechanism to punish those who do not voluntarily comply with the CDC guidelines.
Gov. DeSantis did not remove or invalidate the CDC guidelines. Gov. DeSantis removed the enforcement mechanism. The Florida regulations became guidelines. The mandates have not been successful in forcing compliance with CDC guidelines. The choice is whether or not to use more harsh means of enforcement. That leads back to my question of how far are we willing to go to force compliance with guidelines.
Our conversation has gone around the circle and we are back at the beginning. The government can't do the thinking for people.
See the problem with indoctrinating a population to simply do as they are told? See the problem with the idea that if something is legal it can't be wrong?
Why not? Do you think they are imposing masks as a show of power rather than trying to help protect their patrons?
I appreciate stores who are doing their part to protect their customers.
That is the entire bottom line here. Well stated. Some feel a desperate need to be in control not only of their own actions but of those around who would presume to dare to disagree.
Aren't you afraid God will smite you for lying?
Why is this a problem? Don't you like the idea that this policy lessens the chance that you, your employees, your customers will be infected inside your property? Especially since you can blame authorities for the inconvenience for those select customers who do not comprehend the value of the restrictions.
Amazing that you do not comprehend the need for these precautions and inexplicably jump to a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Do you honestly think the leader of the country could not make a difference with what he says or doesn't say?
I have actually heard people say that donald said it is nothing and they will not wear a mask.
There was one person I laughed about on twitter saying she refused to wear a mask, then the first time donald wore one she showed herself wearing a mask.
Maybe because he keeps the peons at a distance yet could care less when they are all crowded together for him.
Pardon my butting in here, but what's irresponsible about people licking ice cream?
"Maybe because he keeps the peons at a distance yet could care less when they are all crowded together for him."
Yup, he said so - at his superspreader 'rallies' that he wasn't concerned about himself because the suckers and losers were so far away from him.
Do you mean they would open an ice cream package, lick the ice cream, then close the package and put it back in the fridge? Wow, that's incredible. But maybe not. My son once had a girl friend who, when with him, bought some cookies at a bakery, and while walking away took a bite out of one of them, didn't like it and put it back in the bag and took it back to the store telling them she changed her mind in order to get her money back. My son was horrified, and that experience ended their relationship.
What fucking drivel C4P......
How about patriotism for a change? Doing something that helps America and her people.... Wear a damn mask for your fellow American because they just might have put their asses on the line for you!
Here is another of mini me's dictates and many school districts have told him to ''shove it''.
Florida schools defy DeSantis order to keep virus stats under wraps
Read my mind on that one.
Here is more. Since Trump and mini me don't seem to be concerned with seniors and say kids get it and it's not a problem. Here are the stats for Marion County FL.only.
Pediatric cases 701, with 33 this week. 48 taken to ER and 8 hospitalized. That is just one county with a population of 365,000.
This is Miami, Dade county.
Pediatric Cases: 12,275
New cases this week: 320
Admitted to ER: 1,060
Hospitalized: 160
Deaths: 2
This is Duval county (Jacksonville)
Pediatric Cases: 2,428
New cases this week: 86
Admitted to ER: 113
Hospitalized: 21
Deaths: 0
This is Orange County, (Orlando)
Pediatric Cases: 2,775
New cases this week: 105
Admitted to ER: 142
Hospitalized: 23
Deaths: 0
The U.S. had 55,054 new COVID cases yesterday and 952 deaths.
We are doing really well. /s
Well, that makes all those who died, and their families feel so much better.
No, what you are doing is deflecting from the fact, that over 200,000 people are dead. That's really bad and you want to talk about those who recovered. So I guess the 200.000 dead is not enough for you? Don't worry. More are on the way.
Btw, a disease is not political.
Reading is essential. It shows how many died so that means that to date a number have survived. What it doesn't show at this point is who they spread it to and any long term effects they will have.
BTW, that are the stats from four counties in Florida. There are 63 more counties in Florida.
Unnecessary death is to be avoided, no? Heck if not, let's not put fences around pools, no drunk driving laws, get rid of seat belts, let people talk on the phones while driving, etc.
Again, a disease is not political. Please prove otherwise. If not, stop with the strawman.
Thanks for confirming that blaming Trump for corona virus deaths is a political straw man.
trumpturd is responsible for over 200,000 deaths here in the US due to Co-Vid 19.
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