Lost and confused!!!!
7.2.3 Randy replied to Randy @ 7.2.2 yesterday
It's getting easier by the day to violate the new CoC. I don't think the moderators have really got used to it themselves yet and decided on what the bumpers are, so some are deleting some things that others are not. Right now I think some of them are over moderating out of an abundance of caution. Sort of like an attitude of when in doubt, delete. It'll take awhile for them to settle down and confer with each other about who is too touchy and who is not hard enough and loosen the hell up some, but they will. Give it a few months.
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Well I agree with you there Heartland American (for a shock). Personally what I think is for Perrie is to take all of the Moderators to a private forum on the site and take them to "New CoC School" and tell them all what the new rules mean because half of them don't (and I mean this as polity as I can) don't know their bottoms from a hole in the ground on what they are supposed to delete or not! It's obvious because I constantly see things going by that some moderators delete that others do not and I post somethings that gets deleted that are real gentle while other things I post really rough sail right on through, so it's certain that if the moderators don't know what they are doing and what to delete and not to delete, then how can the rest of us know what is OK to post?
Then after Perrie teaches the Moderators what the new CoC rules are then MAYBE she or someone can come back and explain them to the rest of us so we don't keep seeing some stuff getting deleted by some moderators that sails through by others.
Perrie, I love you to death! Really! You know that! I have for years and years! But your Moderators do not know what in the HELL they are doing and therefore neither do we with the new rules!!! (I would like to start a petition to go back to the old rules!)
Perrie take your moderators to school so we know which ones will be sensitive to what type of stuff we can post without getting deleted and then tell us so we can avoid that type of stuff because some of us are getting deleted for stuff we never got deleted for under the old rules and stuff we didn't think we'd get deleted for under the new rules and we don't know why and and sometimes we get deleted for something under the new rules but sometimes we post the same thing and we do not get deleted even though we just got deleted for the very same thing under the new rules so why did get deleted for posting the same thing under the new rules and now we just just posted the same thing under the new rules and did not get deleted? And then got deleted!
And NO. The new rules are not perfectly clear and easily understood.
I think this forum should go by the Newsvine Rules, which seemed to work fairly well. Unless a comment is extremely offensive, threatening, abusive, or personal, simply delete it, with a reference as to why it was deleted. The aforementioned violations should be dealt with by immediate suspensions lasting from a day to a week. Really egregious violations should result in a permanent ban.
Also...the moderators should not be allowed to post comments. This wearing of two hats ensures that their moderating will NOT be fair and unbiased. Sally and Tyler and whoever else moderated on NV did a decent job in keeping that forum in order. I come here mainly to banter with and annoy liberals and try to make them see the error of their ways and views. It's a hopeless task and I doubt if I'll make a difference, but the time I spend here is simply for entertainment and comic relief...rarely have I seen anything deep, or profound, learned anything worthwhile, or worth knowing on this web site. I think a few members take themselves and their opinions far too seriously, but the fun comes in poking holes in their arguments.
I thought it was funny, when they first brought in the thumbs up/thumbs down selectors here. One of the Moderators complained about how he was getting too many thumbs down without what he saw as sufficient explanation (sometimes a comment is so bad it doesn't deserve a narrative as to why it got a thuimbs down), so that feature was removed, now we can only 'thumbs up'.
In many ways i agree with you, though I think we want this site to be more civil then NV. I have a slightly different take on the idea of if a comment of it is extremely offense, threatening, offensive, abusive or personal. I think they should be allowed to stand unless the person they are are directed at specifically objects. I think a Moderator should exercise a hands off policy unless that person registers a complaint. If the person being insulted does not register a complaint, then it is not the moderators nor the sites business to intervene. This is not a site for children. We are all adults and should be all able, as adults, to decides what level of insults we are willing to endure. If we are Lilly flowers then we are free to complain and are free to be protected. However if we are leather, then let us be allowed to be treated and treat other who wish to be treated the same as leather as leather and not be protected as Lily flowers. We do not have to have one compromised standard for all the satisfies none completely.
I think that if we are to have a successful site that encompasses as many people as possible, then it really can not have one strict CoC that covers all members. It must have a flexible CoC the covers separate members that are willing to be covered under different rules of membership depending on the type of membership of the site they are willing to be a part of. Of course there must be an understanding that the members who want to be a part of the leather part of the site will in no way treat the lily part of the site as they would the leather members or if they did that would be a violation that, if repeated a certain number of times, would get them permanently banned from the site. We must divide ourselves into the types of members we are willing to be. Into the types of level of conversation we are willing to participate in. It is already obvious that there are already two groups, so lets make it formal.
I realize that what I am proposing here is a radical and complete change to the site itself. However I believe that the site has grown to the point to where it has become necessary for this change, but where it will be beneficial for it. I also believe that most members of the site will be able to blend in with it seamlessly.
Skirting the CoC [ph] The idea that you come here to be amused by all your liberal inferiors is a hoot though.
Second, Newstalkers is not a large enough site to afford having 5 or 6 moderators refrain from commenting. Plus they don't get paid. Keeping them from commenting (which is the reason they come to a discussion forum in the first place) would be nothing but a punishment to people who are in the end volunteers.
Randy, that leather and lillys stuff is way off track.
First of all Greg, you are one of the most incompetent commenters I have seen on this forum, or others, including Newsvine. The idea that you come here to be amused by all your liberal inferiors is a hoot though
Thanks for your input JR. This comes from one of worst offenders here when it comes to personal insults, name calling, rudeness, and trying to bully other members into submission. You comment above is just another example. It's not working for you, so you might try other tactics. You may have around here forever, but that does not make you smarter or wiser than anyone else. So please try to act like an adult, since this playground doesn't belong to you.
John, as a Serial Offender of the CoC, No one actually believes you are in a postion to evaluate others here. You might have missed the part about attacking others on a personal level.
Randy, that leather and lillys stuff is way off track.
I usually agree with you, but you comment was about 4 paragraphs short on ideas of your own.
Really egregious violations should result in a permanent ban.
Those don't work. Forgive the blurriness, it's the best I could do.
I know...since a person can re-reg quickly and easily.
I knew I could count on you to present a flow chart for the CoC
Couldn't agree more. I like that there is some new Sheriff's in town and they are moderating, though I did call one out on one of my articles-someoen was asking personal questions, for less than honorable purposes (that had nothing to do with the article). I told that person it was none of their goddamned business.....and I got purple penned with a cut and paste about taunting/buillying and civility.
I'm glad they are trying, but that was overkill. There's a fine line between moderating and overkill, this time it was exceeded.
I agree that the application of the "Naw CoC" seems spotty... and I don't understand why.
The "New CoC" is not really new at all. The operational content is pretty much unchanged from the old CoC. (I think that's a pity, but that's a different subject.)
The "New CoC" only changed in presentation . In format . Not in content. The "New CoC" is far more legible than the old one.
Content is unchanged . The same behavior is allowed / not-allowed today as yesterday.
So why has application become worse?
So why has application become worse?
I do not know except that other than Perrie there is mostly only two faces seen being the enforcer...
Nobody wants to butt heads with the enforcers but apparently some of NV is leaking over onto NT...
There are private groups on NT but not nations so let us hope that NT does not become balkanized.
Cryptic Enough? My only week suspension on NV was for a mere implication and that was surly fishy.
My point being that anyone unable to operate within the lines of a CoC isn't smart enough to play...
I agree. It's not so much as the rules changed, as much as the severity of the application of them. Yes there were some rules changes and they were applied (IMHO) very severely, but it it seemed more like some of the application of some of the old rules were just suddenly applied much more intensely and severely. The rules used to be looser or so it seemed. It was like all of a sudden everything was clamped down on. Or at least that's how it seems to me, but as Dennis Leary says that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.
You're in for another kicker as Perrie no longer allows us to put meta on the front page and makes members put it in the meta group. Only management is allowed to post it on the FP these days. That's how ridiculous it has gotten.
Oh well
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I don't believe there were any substantial changes brought on by the recent vote, but if anyone would like to try and explain what they are, I am listening.
The recent coc debate and vote just seemed to me to be the point where members brought in during the past year got their chance to weigh in about the rules. I don't believe many or any of the rules actually changed.
The definition of what constitutes a personal attack has become more ambiguous. Extremely Rude. Seriously?
Yeah! Now if you say the sligest thing wrong about another person it's a personal attack and it's either a CoC Violation or the ever dreaded "skirting the CoC'. I swear if I say that I thought (even if I don't know) that the person I am addressing wears their hair funny I would be deleted for skirted the CoC.
The Moderators have become hypersensitive since the new rules. Or I could be wrong.
IF YOU THINK THAT I AM WRONG THEN HERE IS THE PERFECT META ARTICLE TO TELL ME THAT I AM WRONG AND THAT YOU THINK THE NEW RULES ARE WORKING OUT JUST GREAT AND THEN I WILL JUST JUST SHUT UP AND GO AWAY, BUT IF YOU THINK THAT LIKE I DO THAT THEY ARE SCREWED UP AND NEED SOME SERIOUS WORK THEN SAY SO NOW! MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER NOW!
That's it's EXACTLY the what I was looking for when I was looking for a way to trying to describe it! Skirting the CoC is EXACTLTY like two kids in the backseat of car on a long cross country trip poking their fingers close to each other and still saying "But I'm not touching you!" just to be irritating little brats! That is exactly what the skirting the Coc rule is!!!
I'd rather they try too hard than not at all.
It’s been all downhill since we lost Mike L as a Mod. He was the voice of freedom that protected us from the butthurt crybabies their censorship and safe spaces.
But here's the thing: The new CoC rules have been in effect for what...6 or 7 days? Shouldn't a learning curve be expected?
For this crowd?
It's not very crowded here. 
Now Bourbon Street, that's a CROWD !
What are the new COC rules?
Oh great the hand picked select few that were allowed to vote on the COC have created something so complicated that it requires a learning curve.
Why is this article on my Front Page and not in "Metafied"?
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It's getting easier by the day to violate the new CoC. I don't think the moderators have really got used to it themselves yet and decided on what the bumpers are, so some are deleting some things that others are not. It'll take awhile for them to settle down and confer with each other about who is too touchy and who is not hard enough. Give it a few months.
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