Impeachment Witness Alexander Vindman Fired From the White House
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Via: sister-mary-agnes-ample-bottom • 6 years ago • 304 commentsBy: Maggie Haberman and Peter Baker
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The White House on Friday dismissed Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, whose testimony in the House impeachment hearings infuriated President Trump and his allies, escorting him out of the complex just days after the Senate trial ended in acquittal, his lawyer said.
“There is no question in the mind of any American why this man’s job is over, why this country now has one less soldier serving it at the White House,” David Pressman, the lawyer, said in a statement. “Lt. Col. Vindman was asked to leave for telling the truth. His honor, his commitment to right, frightened the powerful.”
A person familiar with the situation said that Colonel Vindman’s twin brother, Yevgeny Vindman, also an Army lieutenant colonel who worked at the White House, was fired, as well.
The dismissal was foreshadowed earlier in the day when Mr. Trump essentially confirmed to reporters before leaving on a trip to North Carolina that Colonel Alexander Vindman would be pushed out. “Well, I’m not happy with him,” the president said of Colonel Vindman. “You think I’m supposed to be happy with him? I’m not.”
The president then reposted a Twitter message from a supporter advocating the colonel’s dismissal: “Vindman’s behavior is a scandal. He should be removed from the @RealDonaldTrump White House ASAP to protect our foreign policy from his machinations.”
Colonel Vindman retains his rank in the Army, and it was not immediately clear what his next assignment will be.
The action comes just two days after Mr. Trump was acquitted in a Senate impeachment trial that turned in part on the testimony of Colonel Vindman and other administration officials who described a campaign to pressure Ukraine into announcing corruption investigations into former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and other Democrats.
Mr. Trump has made clear his personal antipathy for Colonel Vindman, who oversaw American policy toward Ukraine on the National Security Council staff and whose twin brother, Lt. Col. Yevgeny Vindman, works as a lawyer for the N.S.C. “Lieutenant Colonel Vindman and his twin brother, right?” the president said at one point during a rambling hourlong venting session at the White House on Thursday, his voice dripping with disdain. “We had some people that — really amazing.”
The decision to move Colonel Vindman out of the White House complex, reported previously by Bloomberg News and The Washington Post, came as Mr. Trump and his allies have made clear that they will seek to exact payback against those he blames for triggering his impeachment and trial. During his White House event, Mr. Trump denounced the “evil” and “corrupt” people who investigated him, and his spokeswoman went on television to declare that anyone who hurt the president “should pay for” it.
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Trump also fired Alex Vindman's twin brother.
Let's see, going around the chain of command and leaking! How many think Vindman should be Court Martialed?
Oh, ya, that's Lt Colonel Vindman, isn't it?
Oh goodie, another one spewing unfounded allegations.
WHAT are you alleging that Vindman leaked and WHAT evidence do you have that he did so.
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He did more than that, but fear not, he may still be able to take the defense minister position in the Ukraine that he was offered a few times.
A few excepts from the House Schiff show:
Vindman should be facing a Court Martial!
If you had one iota of PROOF for your allegations you would have posted it.
Since you didn't it begs the question: Why post that bullshit here on NT?
I think the reader should have the chance to look at the facts and reach their own conclusions, despite the objections of Adam Schiff and a few others here.
Another bend the knee comment in homage to tRump. I am sure the next comment will be a question never a defense. Please provide information that LTC Vindman leaked confidential information. Prove it.
It's an open question for the reader to decide. (Gee, I hate repeating myself). It's kind of like the teacher trying to decide who took her apple. There is nobody admitting to it, but there is that obese boy standing by the teachers desk with wet drool running from his lips.
Obviously, it really bothers some here.
Wow Vic, you posted the smoking gun! 2 pages of a 340 page deposition which do NOT contain ONE WORD spoken by Lt. Col. Vindman. Great find! /s
What a load of utter crap!
You know, I kind of knew you were going to say that!
I think the reader here on NT shouldn't have to wade the muck of innuendo and false allegations from those whose only goal is to gaslight.
You post an allegation and then post bullshit that doesn't support it. In fact, it doesn't even support the headline in the link.
You stated your allegations as fact Vic. You doubled down and stated that he did even more than leak. Yet as has become your MO, you post not one iota of PROOF for anything that you allege and then try to pretend that your just trying to give the reader a 'chance to reach their own conclusions'.
NT readers deserve better. Mr. Schiff isn't here to object but I am.
What a load of blather.
You didn't ask an open question Vic. You've made 2 'unequivocal' statements that you can't support. Hell you even posted a part of Vindman's transcript that is evidence of NOTHING in a sad attempt to infer that there is documentary proof of your 'facts'.
Every member here should be bothered when disinformation and false allegations are posted here on NT for the sole purpose of gaslighting it's members.
It's fairly simple for people to see. Vindman was asked by Devin Nunes if he told anyone else about the call:
“Lietenant Colonel Vindman, did you discuss the July 25 phone call with anyone outside the White House on July 25 or the 26 and if so, with whom?”
“Yes. I did,” Vindman answered in the affirmative.
When pressed on who Vindman spoke with about the call, Vindman said he spoke with two individuals not in the White House, including Deputy Assistant Secretary George Kent and another individual in the intelligence community that Vindman refused to name before being cut off by Democratic Chairman Adam Schiff.
thefederalist.com/2019/11/19/vindman-just-admitted-to-leaking-to-the-anti-trump-whistleblower/
NT readers deserve better.
And that is why I'm here.
Yes Vic, you can always count on me to call out your comments that try to disseminate crap here on NT. Just like I can always count on you to post false comments and BS links and then hide behind a gibe rather than taking ownership for dumping crap here on NT.
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The link doesn't work so, no, you're not "golden".
Did you mean "olden" ?
Since the beginning of all this Vic has tried to reduce all the issues to process about how the investigation unfolded.
That is all you can do when your "client" is guilty.
Vindman admitted it in his testimony. This is the first you heard of that? Never read the testimony? Can't use the link or type in the words?
That's so sad.
Did you mean "olden" ?
That would be GOLDEN as in winner by a KO in round # 1.2.14
And by the way when the ref counts you out - the fight is over!
Actually, John, Iv'e dealt with motive & actions on this one
That is all they ever do, deflect to the 'process'. Or something else. Never address the actions of IMPOTUS, never the gop, its always someone else.
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Your link doesn't [work Deleted]
Funny how you QUOTE tidbits of transcripts or videos of the hearing that you think bolster your false statements and then fill in your agenda with statements from elsewhere.
Vindman did NOT refuse to name the individual from the intelligence community, he was PRECLUDED from naming anyone in the intelligence community. THAT fact is made clear in the video at your link. From the C-Span transcript:
That had been the STANDING rule throughout the depositions AND the open hearings.
Moments later Vindman's lawyer said:
Nunes asked a question that he KNEW Vindman was PRECLUDED from answering based on the Committee's rule. Vindman's didn't answer that question because of that rule, NOT, despite your inference, for any nefarious reason.
So yes Vic, it is fairly simple for people to see that your comments are intentionally misleading and do NOT prove any of the allegations you have made against Lt. Col. Vindman.
But hey, you be you and keep trying to gaslight the others, it doesn't work with me.
I'm so sorry for your troubles. The testimony is widely available online.
Removed for context
I wouldn't go that far, Just doing my job.
That has nothing to do with his leaking to someone outside, which he admitted to!
Nice try at diversion.
You were counted out long ago. Time for the shower.
The delusion in that comment is galactic.
You mean the comment that I easily refuted?
Now you're shooting for Universal size delusion. Carry on.
You've 'dealt' with nothing Vic. You've posted a bunch of crap that does NOT support your allegations against Vindman.
How does that skirt the code? Especially when you dive right in like you did.
Lol, I know when I see 'weak women' someone has lost it. Meantime Trumpers are totally deflecting. Always tweak the answer to something not even asked, trying to make it 'their' fault (just like Trump, never answer to own words and actions). Weak men can't handle strong women and their opinions.
That is a lie.
Therein lies the rub Vic. Reading it or hearing it from RW media is proof of NOTHING.
Reading the excerpts posted in the RW media and then swilling their BS interpretations doesn't qualify one as informed Vic.
Posting THREE WORDS from hours of testimony, out of context, merely proves how weak your sad little argument really is.
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There are people that are very much afraid others will in fact look at said facts independently and draw their own conclusions.
There are people HERE that are very much afraid that other members will call out the misleading BS that they post. They are the same people that refuse to admit that their BS is BS and would rather double down on it.
The NSC is OUTSIDE of the WH Vic. Vindman briefing his counterparts in the NSC is not LEAKING, it's his fucking JOB.
The only diversions have been by you in a sad and failed attempt to pretend that you can support your unfounded allegations against Vindman.
Right, that's why you keep trying and failing to argue something that you know is baseless.
If only that would wash the stench of the BS you've been slinging from this seed.
But yet you do it day after day after day after day...……………….
You wouldn't.
Unsurprising. Trump sycophants never do seem to care about the truth, any more than they care about our Constitution.
Facing a court martial for telling the truth and responding to a subpoena? I shudder to think what you think should to happen to trump for blocking legal subpoenas or trying to extort a foreign country to help him win an election...
Oh wait, nothing.
Sometimes I think these people would be happier in Russia.
What kind of person agrees with a vindictive President punishing someone for responding to a subpoena and telling the truth? Someone who hates our Constitution.
I am sure they would be...
I'd rather be dead than red
Trump is a skank of an individual. He's learned his lesson? What a load of baloney.
The only lesson Trump ever learns is that his supporters have no standards they need him to conform to.
Now that he has gotten away with being held accountable, you can bet he will go full on tilt loose cannon.
He's getting a new assignment................It's theoretically a "transfer" so to speak. The White House isn't the place for him. His boss has now made that quite clear. Best of luck Mr. Vindman. You're probably going to need it.
Do you agree with the decision? What are your thoughts about his twin brother being fired?
If it was any Democrat instead of Trump in the White House the left would be screaming for Vindman's head. The only reassignment they would accept for him would be Leavenworth for the rest of his life.
Trump has the same right as any other president to have people around he can trust. Vindman and his brother have both proven they can't be trusted being in any position of power or responsibility.
Nothing to do with 'trusted'. The twin didn't do squat. Vindman testified honestly. Trump expects a loyalty akin to autocrats and dictators. Like Kim, Putin, Erdogan, and MBS. He is retaliating against people who told the truth under oath (or has the same surname). How exactly does a liar and his supporters know anything about trust, which springs from truth?
The Joint Chiefs of Staff disagree with YOU and Trump.
matters not what their personal opinions are.
trump does not answer to them... they answer to trump.
So where are the charges against them 8? I mean it's clear that in the very near future, Alexander will be assigned to train our future fighting men and women. If what you said is true, why hasn't Trump instructed the JCS to bring them up on charges for whatever the fuck he has issues with? Why would Trump allow Alexander to get a plum position in July? Come on 8, explain why the Commander in Chief is allowing this travesty.
But it is okay when it is Trump who can't be trusted being in any position of power or responsibility to his minions.
One isn't 'escorted' out of the WH when the are 'theoretically' transferred.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff disagreed.
His 'boss' is a vindictive prick.
That's Lieutenant Coronel Vindman.
Threats, classy.
They were both in the Army? Is a Coronel an ordinary colonel who provokes heart attacks?
Prove it.
Why yes, YES they ARE.
Yes, along with the spelling police.
When one is transferred, one merely packs up and reports to his next post. At least that's what my buddy in Naval Intelligence told me.
Alexander will be TAD to the Pentagon until his scheduled PCS to the National War College in July.
Eugene will be TAD to the Army General Counsel for the foreseeable future.
I saw it. He was flanked by security personnel on both sides, and put into a cab. That is not proper treatment of a man on his way to his next assignment.
Is it safe to assume you have never served in the military?
SMAAB - that's standard protocol for folks "leaving the White House".
I was the SCO in one of my units and when my reassignment came up, I was "escorted" out of the area by guards also. Just standard operation procedure.
I must have missed it when the escorted Bolton and McMaster and Coates and Huckabee and and and.
Don't take this wrong, but there are a lot of things you've missed, along with the rest of the general public.
I didn't realize that, but it certainly makes sense.
Just for clarity, my comment to What'sHisNuts about not serving in the military was made because Lt. Col. Vindman is a decorated war hero with an impeccable record. It was clear that someone (translation: Trump) wanted to make a humiliating spectacle out of his departure. No past or present military-affiliated person in good standing would exhibit such glee when commenting about such a spectacle.
I was being sarcastic. I didn't miss it, it didn't happen.
he did his duty as a patriotic American in full accordance with established gov't procedure, US law, and the strength of character a decorated veteran possesses, and this is what he gets from POS/POTUS.
Yep....it clearly shows which one has the real class, and true Patriotism for our country. Cadet Burn Spurs would crap his pants if he had to be under fire like so many of our men and women in uniform do every day of their lives while serving our country in foreign lands where our fearless POTUS so happily sends them.
I wonder how pleased he would be if he came home from battle in a foreign land with parts of his body missing, crippled for life, and/or mentally and emotionally cursed with PTSD for the rest of his life.
The only thing he cares about when it comes to the average citizens of our country is making sure there is enough men and women to send over seas somewhere at his whim. And those do who make it home alive can kick rocks if they are in need of medical help.
Those who have PTSD just have over active imaginations or headaches. Right? /s
trump suffers from both, yet never served or shed a drop of blood. ???
We do know for a fact that Reagan served his second term while suffering from mental illness, but, assured to be fit for the job of POTUS. The same appears to be the case with Trump's doctor.
No one wants to officially declare that Trump is mentally ill, even though his overall actions indicate he is, for fear of retaliation by Trump. Just like the two y/o actions we have seen with his firing of the Vindmans as well as the many others that have fallen from 'his majesty's' grace.
That’s hogwash. Here’s what ex fbi director Comey said.
“I often hear people talk about it. I don’t buy this stuff about him being mentally incompetent or early stages of dementia,” Comey said in the Sunday interview. “He strikes me as a person of above average intelligence who’s tracking conversations and knows what’s going on. I don’t think he’s medically unfit to be president.”
You forgot something in that quote:
"I think he's morally unfit to be president."
And yet the Evangelical supporters all adore him, and claim he is the second coming of God. If he is in any way related to God, I am so very glad that I believe in the Creator.
However, I truly wonder what God himself thinks about being so closely compared to Trump.
And how many true Christians think about a person as morally corrupt, an immense liar, and a multi-criminal as Trump being associated with himself. I don't think that God would think highly of those who feel that way.
And that true Christians would consider Trump to be an abomination. Those who support Trump are simply CINOs, who obviously don't really believe in their God if they think he is no better than Trump.
that religious cult will be next into the political sewer after the trump clog is cleared
I knew you weren't just another pretty face.
It will be a great day for America when that day comes.
In over 20 years, I was never once escorted to the door, the parking lot, or my car.
Nor my son in the USMC or my O5 daughter USAF. Never.
"Go fish".
Coronel?
Me, neither. Nor my husband. When it came time to PSC we waved to our friends and co-workers and hit the road.
He was under oath to testify. Where is tRumps testimony? Or those he denied testifying? Forgot the GOP Senate failed to do so. Only Senator Romney stood for honor, morals and the Constitution. The others for tRump.
True, there is no place for an honest man who puts his country first and supports his Constitution in today's White House.
A person familiar with the situation said that Colonel Vindman’s twin brother, Yevgeny Vindman, also an Army lieutenant colonel who worked at the White House, was fired, as well.
And some people argue that Trump is not a dick. ROFL.
Let's just have a civil war of words for the next year and get it over with.
I am not interested in any sort of compromise or reconciliation with Trump supporters. They are ruining our country.
Sounds like a "Relief for Cause" OER. His military career is over. But that's what you get when you alter official documents.
The only thing Vindman did wrong was tell the truth. Thats a mortal sin in Trumpland.
His brother? Collateral damage.
Let Trump keep this shit up for the next 10 months. It will bury him.
If that were the case then the military would not have permitted his removal from the position. Like I said, a "Relief For Cause" OER and his career is over.
I don't think the President has anything to worry about. He's overcome hoax after hoax from the Democrats. They have done very little to nothing for the country in the past 3 1/2 years except stomp their feet and cry over a lost election.
I dont pay any attention to people whose political views are based on conspiracy theories.
BS. Vindman will report to the Pentagon until his regular tour ends in July when he will report to the War College as planned.
His brother Eugene who seemed genuinely surprised by his dismissal, will report to the office of the Army general counsel.
WTF is it with you and posting facts SP? You know that you may be causing irreparable damage to some cult members right?
Unlike Trump who has lied 10,000 or 15,000 times since the election. He's a busy boy.
Yes YOU said that yet have yet to post any proof of it.
Of course you have NO evidence but making the mere accusation achieves your goal doesn't it Jeremy?
Disgusting.
So the story is a complete crock of shit is what you are saying?
Another piece of anti Trump BS.
That's a ridiculous question. Vindman was assigned by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to his post as the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council and was fired from his post before his tour was scheduled to be over. As a VALUABLE member of the US ARMY, he will be temporarily assigned at the Pentagon and then move on to the War College to train future war fighters.
Nope, it accurately documents Trump's vile and vindictive actions.
So his career isn't over- he and his brother are being removed from his position in the White House for violating the chain of command, leaking, and altering the transcript on the phone conversation.
Again, if this were a Democratic president he did this under the left would be calling for his head, period.
Nor should it be since he did NOTHING wrong.
That is a lie.
And yet here you are pushing the conspiracy theories.
Do you intend to just spew out unfounded allegations or do you have evidence to support that bullshit?
Evidence to a Trumper?
Did he release the official transcript of the Ukraine call? No. But he did testify that he was trying to alter it. But, I imagine you were all cheering him along missed that little bit.
Is that what they told you in Trump country? Do you seriously believe that bullshit?
Oh and BTFW, I asked you for evidence Jeremy. Got any?
I'm starting to think that their MAGA hats come with decoder rings so only they get the 'real' facts.
How do you "alter" something that is in your job description to make the document as accurate as possible?
He fought to have the "transcript" more accurately reflect what he heard.
Anyone that has been paying attention in the last few months should know that. But it isn't convenient and doesn't fit into their ideology or further their agenda.
Jeremy - this is the part of the discussion that so, so many ignore.
The Times reported that Vindman tried to change the reconstructed transcript made by the White House staff to reflect the omissions. But while some of his edits appeared to have been successful, he said, those two corrections were not made.
Vindman did not testify to a motive behind the editing process, and it is not clear why some of his changes were not made, while others he recommended were, the newspaper reported.
Now, if this person had been in my chain of command, I would have placed him on immediate administrative leave and had the JAG office draw up articles of violation of the USMJ for Court Martial.
He "tried to change the reconstructed transcript". He is/was not authorized to make any such "corrections". "it (was)is not clear why some of his changes were not made." - quite simply - he wasn't authorized to make changes and violated a lot of security issues/concerns.
If anyone thinks that the transcript from the call wasn't redacted by Trump, I have a bridge to sell them. I will throw in the swamp for free.
Really? DO tell me exactly WHAT articles of the USMJ are you alleging that Vindman violated.
I would hope that you would investigate the events and understand what his responsibilities and authorities are before taking any adverse action against a direct report.
Sadly, it's obvious that you didn't
Lt Col. Vindman is/was the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council and Ukraine is under HIS directorate. It sure as hell is/was his job to make corrections to the call record. IF you would have READ or listened to Vindman's testimony, you would know that.
Really 1st, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about right now but hey, it's not the first time.
Vindman is/was one of the few ELITE staff members in the NSC that is responsible for reviewing those call records for accuracy and making changes to that end.
BTW, it's clear NOW why the changes weren't made. Trump and his cult didn't want the word 'Burisma' in the record. Both Vindman and Williams testified that Burisma was cited during the call.
Sorry - but a response to you would be way above your pay grade and argumentative style.
Quite simply - you don't have the need to know.
Pretty fucking sure that the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council is way above YOUR pay grade too 1st. Your bloviating about charging him with a violation of the UCMJ is laughable.
Why not just admit that you didn't have a clue about Lt. Col. Vindman's duties, authorities or responsibilities?
You don't have the desire to.
Or you don't have the facts to back up your bullshit.
I notice you DIDNT answer my question.
What question is that Jeremy? Do you mean this one:
I sure as hell looks to me like you answered that question yourself.
That was you right?
It does need a paint job.
You have a choice: Post a verifiable link to back it up, or retract. And yes, I'm serious.
He and others will make the third choice, bailing and coming back another day spewing that same brand of unfounded bullshit.
Ohhhhyour serious. There is an option you left out. And I'll take that option. YOU do the research and prove me wrong.
You've been here long enough to know that isn't how this shit works. YOU made the assertion, YOU have the burden of proof. Please proceed.
I have refuted what he DID say Tex. Do try to keep up. Let's review Jeremy's comment:
I have refuted that allegation multiple times in this seed and proven it to be wrong. No one, including YOU have posted anything to contradict that.
The allegations that Vindman leaked anything to anyone or altered anything is a LIE. Repeating it, ad nauseum [which BTW has nothing to do with being ill] doesn't make it any less a LIE.
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I'm sorry you find facts so boring. But it explains a lot.
Jeremy,
If you make an assertion of fact, you must provide the link(s) of that assertation. If you can't, please let us know and this thread will be deleted.
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Is that how this works now?
SO many threads need to be deleted...
Sean,
Read the CoC. The person who seeded the article has the right to do this.
Clearly not. What a shame.
Thanks for the links KD. Of course they don't prove a fucking thing but hey, thanks anyway.
Vindman did NOT alter any official documents. PERIOD full stop.
Apparently, in an effort to do his sworn duty to the utmost of his ability, LC Vindman thought that creating a transcript with the actual words used, was a good idea. But since this transcript was the result of a political team's interpretation of the phone call, facts appear to have been adverse to the process.
Our NT brethren here are resting their case for altering an official document on Vindman's efforts to make the document more truthful and therefor less false.
Hardly something the White House or any military command would initiate a courts martial over.
There is no petty act of revenge that I would put past this WH.
So he was trying to do his job but was thwarted.
You mean I CAN'T use the same methods as many others here?
And the reference I use in regards to the "Relief for Cause" OER is DA Pam 632-3. The position shithead held is an assignment. Not a "for hire" position. He's being removed from the position, either by reassignment or being fired - which brings on the end of his career as a US Army Officer.
This is a sad and scary situation. We all need to be prepared for worse things to happen to our democracy. This president does the opposite of what a president of the free world would do. I'm actually very worried what will happen next.
We already know what happened next. Trump recalled Ambassador Sondland. I wonder if he thinks he got his million dollars worth?
The firing of the Vindman brothers and the recall of Sondland is nothing compared to the investigations he and Barr are going to launch against Americans that he deems his enemies. What this president and his administration are going to do behind the scenes we won't be privy to until it has happened or years later. In other words, until after the damage is done. This is the most anti american president and following that I've witnessed in my lifetime or my parent's lifetime and probably my grandparent's lifetime. These are dangerous times because there are so many voters who don't seem to understand that this isn't a football game where the objective is to win the game and then everything resets until the next game. What this president and his administration are doing will have many negative affects against the nation for generations.
You mean the grifters in the White House who charge our Government $600.00 for Secret Service protection while tRump vacations at his dilapidated resorts. You can bet he will charge U.S. taxpayers for"fixing" his properties before this grifter King leaves the stage and is dumped in the dust bin of History.
Barr isn't the USAG, he is Trump's personal AG, and has done everything to protect Trump and not the country. Protecting the crime family who is sucking up our tax dollars directly into their wallets every time they go to a Trump property (who jacks up the price WE PAY for the rooms for the Secret Service. Socialism for the rich. Corruption at the highest.
Learn your facts before you post -
"William Pelham Barr (born May 23, 1950) is an American lawyer and government official serving as the 85th United States Attorney General, "
HE IS ACTING LIKE A PERSONAL AG, NOT THE USAG. Nothing you said refutes a thing I said.
You said - "Barr isn't the USAG, he is Trump's personal AG"
Please show us where you said he was ACTING.
Like you did before you pontificated on bringing Vindman up for Court Martial?
Pffft.
Really? Good lord, I guess I expected more from you. My bad.
Yawn. Whatever. These people serve at the pleasure of the president and this particular president has been famous for decades as someone who fires people easily. Naturally, the media will try to make a scandal of this, but exactly 0.002% of the population cares about these guys getting fired. You won't hear any more about this - probably by tomorrow, but definitely by Monday.
2% of what populations? 70 plus percent of all Americans wanted witnesses and testimony. The GOP Senators other than the Honorable Senator Romney bent the knee to a dictator wannabe who struts like Mussolini and governs like the Keystone Kops.
According to you. I could care less about what you think about my comments on Mussolini and Hitler. I am a Historian by education you are lost in the wilderness of tRump.
Students of history know the comparisons too. All I see from Trumpers are attempts to equate socialism to nazis, always leaving out the most important parts of Hitler's manipulations of German fears using socialism and racism to do it. So don't bother with the tired comparisons, historians and informed folk don't fall for that crap. Fascism is a far right ideology that uses fear and hate to divide and conquer.
I didn't say 2%. I said 0.002%. that's 2/1000s of 1 percent. So if we're talking the US population, I think that's about 6500 people who might remotely give a shit that this guy won't be working in the White House anymore. Honestly, I think that figure might be a little high. It's probably more like 0.00002%.
Who cares? I wasn't talking about that.
How long have you thought of him as "honorable?" Was he ever honorable enough for you that you actually voted for him? Just wondering.
Then that makes any comparisons you make with Hitler and Mussolini even more ridiculous.
No, as an historian, he is knowledgeable in a subject that not many are.
Okay "Tea Party", where is the "Support Our Troops" bumper sticker crowd? Not standing up for veterans when it counts.
The right-wing hacks supporting this President believe that LTC Vindman deserved what he got for being subpoenaed and honoring the subpoena and testifying under oath to the truth. His comments were corroborated. His Brother was never involved.
No, what tRump is doing is playing payback for the crimes against our National Security and now wants to make examples of those testifying.
All the while he failed to testify under oath and stopped others from doing so. The true patriots are the Vindman Borhers those condemning them Sunshine Patriots at best.
At long last we have our answer. It is, "No". The damn gop has no shame and no honor, no decency at all...
Trump is Emperor of the "dispicables" and we shouldn't be surprised when he does the vindictive shit what we expect him to do. The Vindman brothers and Sondland will be just fine all things considered. Dems need to stop pissing in the wind with their hair on fire and concentrate on organizing around candidates to push through a Presidency and united Congress for 2021.
I guess we don't need to wonder who El Chapo would vote for.
el chapo needs sciff as his prosecutor... LOL
I'll assume you meant Schiff. That being said, there were witnesses in the House, none in the Senate. Also, pretty sure it was trumps team of retards were the ones that insisted on NO witnesses and NO documents. Yes? I remember a vote taking place in the Senate about witnesses and documents, and which party was it again that voted AGAINST them? HINT: It wasn't Democrats.
And lets be honest, all innocent people tell witnesses to not testify...
Because...
Naw, i'm sure he is totally innocent...all the witnesses and documents prove it...
Oh, never mind.
Nothin' but net!!!!!!
Schwiss
cheese
and not a single one was a fact witness. speculation. feelings. and un-named sources. do not work in this country.
if a disgruntled neighbor of yours told the cops they had no direct knowledge but they had a "feeling you were breaking a law. you would tell them all to go pound sand as well
there is no need to defend oneself from fabricated BS in this country
You can say that all you want. When you consider that it wasn't the case, it makes the comment quite silly.
try again, the dems had no actual evidence and therefore no case.
"the resistance" failed. and they will continue to fail.
Let me guess...5? Maybe 6 times?
every time/
it is bigger than that...
Bigger than Vindman: Trump scrubs 70 Obama holdovers from NSC
"the resistance" is having a bad year
While the Russians, Chinese et al cheer.
We are all SO much more safe now aren't we? /s
Take care everyone. Buh Bye..
When did "Transferred" or "Recalled" now become "Fired" ?
Since it had a better ring to it to the permanently offended TDS crowd.
The "Media" is sooooo un-biased these days.
For those who want to show support for Lt. Col. Vindman, here's how:
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