Investigators Find Gaps in White House Logs of Trump’s Jan. 6 Calls

  

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By:   Luke Broadwater, Jonathan Martin, Maggie Haberman and Michael S. Schmidt

Investigators Find Gaps in White House Logs of Trump’s Jan. 6 Calls

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 The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol has discovered gaps in official White House telephone logs from the day of the riot, finding few records of calls by President Donald J. Trump from critical hours when investigators know that he was making them.

Investigators have not uncovered evidence that any official records were tampered with or deleted, and it is well known that Mr. Trump used his personal cellphone, and those of his aides, routinely to talk with aides, congressional allies and outside confidants.

But the sparse call records are the latest major obstacle to the panel’s central mission: recreating what Mr. Trump was doing behind closed doors during crucial moments of the assault on Congress by a mob of his supporters.

The panel is still awaiting additional material from the National Archives and Records Administration, which keeps the official White House logs, and from telecommunications companies that have been subpoenaed for the personal cellphone records of Mr. Trump’s inner circle, like his son, Eric, and Kimberly Guilfoyle, the fiancée of Mr. Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr.

The call logs obtained by the committee document who was calling the White House switchboard, and any calls that were being made from the White House to others. Mr. Trump had a habit throughout his presidency of circumventing that system, making it far more difficult to discern who he was communicating with.

Two people familiar with the phone records discussed the details about them on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to be identified discussing an ongoing congressional investigation. A spokesman for the committee declined to comment.

Since the Jan. 6, 2021 attack, former Trump administration officials have said that investigators would struggle to piece together a complete record of Trump’s conversations that day, because of his habit of using his and other people’s cellphones. At least one person who tried to reach Mr. Trump on his cellphone on Jan. 6 had their call picked up by one of his aides. It is unclear where Mr. Trump was at the time.

Few details of what Mr. Trump did inside the White House as rioters stormed the Capitol are known. He was watching television as the riot played out on cable news, and several aides including his daughter, Ivanka Trump, implored him to say something to try to tell the rioters to stop.

Nevertheless, his first public communication as the melee unfolded was a Twitter post attacking then-Vice President Mike Pence. Mr. Trump also is known to have tried to reach out to one senator as the certification of the Electoral College vote was delayed. And he fielded a call from Representative Kevin McCarthy, the top House Republican, who told Mr. Trump that people were breaking into his office on Capitol Hill.

Early on in his administration, Mr. Trump was known to use the cellphone belonging to Keith Schiller, his personal bodyguard at Trump Tower and later the director of Oval Office operations, for some of his calls. It meant the White House call logs were often an incomplete reflection of his contacts.

After the Supreme Court ruled against Mr. Trump’s efforts to block the release of hundreds of pages of presidential records, the National Archives turned over to the House panel investigating the riot voluminous documents that included daily presidential diaries, schedules, appointment information showing visitors to the White House, activity logs, call logs, and switchboard shift-change checklists showing calls to Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence on Jan. 6.

The committee has learned in recent weeks that Mr. Trump spoke on the phone with Mr. Pence and Republican lawmakers on the morning of Jan. 6 as he pushed to overturn the election. For instance, Mr. Trump mistakenly called the phone of Senator Mike Lee, Republican of Utah, thinking it was the number of Senator Tommy Tuberville, Republican of Alabama. Mr. Lee then passed the phone to Mr. Tuberville, who said he spoke to the former president for less than 10 minutes as rioters were breaking into the building.

But many of the calls the committee is aware of did not show up in the official logs.

The revelations about incomplete call logs comes as Mr. Trump is under increasing scrutiny for apparently violating the Presidential Records Act by ripping up some White House documents and taking others with him when he left office. The House Oversight committee on Thursday announced an investigation into what it called “potential serious violations” of the law, including that Mr. Trump took 15 boxes of White House documents to his Palm Beach, Fla., compound and attempted to destroy presidential records.

Mr. Trump’s conduct, said Representative Carolyn Maloney, Democrat of New York and chairwoman of the oversight committee, “involves a former president potentially violating a criminal law by intentionally removing records, including communications with a foreign leader, from the White House and reportedly attempting to destroy records by tearing them up.”

The National Archives and Records Administration discovered what it believed was classified information in documents Mr. Trump had taken with him. The Washington Post reported on Wednesday that the National Archives had asked the Justice Department to examine Mr. Trump’s handling of White House records.


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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    6 months ago

The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol has discovered gaps in official White House telephone logs from the day of the riot, finding few records of calls by President Donald J. Trump from critical hours when investigators know that he was making them.

Investigators have not uncovered evidence that any official records were tampered with or deleted, and it is well known that Mr. Trump used his personal cellphone, and those of his aides, routinely to talk with aides, congressional allies and outside confidants.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    6 months ago

I'm convinced the DOJ will make some historical examples out of the last administrations criminal acts that will be remembered by those with corrupt tendencies for centuries.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1    6 months ago

You were probably sure Trump would be in jail now, too.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.1    6 months ago

nah, but I was hoping for more.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    6 months ago

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Tessylo
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1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1    6 months ago

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Carol Foyler, who lives in Akron, Ohio, said that, after she accidentally tore open the duvet, a trove of shredded documents came spilling out.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.5  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    6 months ago

A damn shame that liberals don't tend to be assassins. So many worthwhile targets.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.6  devangelical  replied to  cjcold @1.1.5    6 months ago

it'll be an inside job.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.7  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.3    6 months ago
white conservative Christian

trump's the ideal representative for the cult of misinformed that don't require any proof.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1.7    6 months ago
trump's the ideal representative for the cult of misinformed that don't require any proof.

Oh, that must mean Trump has reverted back to being a Democrat then.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.9  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.8    6 months ago

what an ignorant comment.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1.9    6 months ago

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Krishna
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1.1.11  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.8    6 months ago
reverted

???

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.12  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  devangelical @1.1    6 months ago

As long as Merrick remains as the head of the DOJ, I have my doubts.  Trump and his kids have committed so many crimes which could keep them behind bars until the big ones send them away for decades, yet the DOJ does NOTHING!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.12    6 months ago
Trump and his kids have committed so many crimes which could keep them behind bars until the big ones send them away for decades, yet the DOJ does NOTHING!

Can you name the crimes?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    6 months ago

Where ya been sister?  Dev's got to give you the key to the handcuffs.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1.2.1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    6 months ago
Dev's got to give you the key to the handcuffs.

A loveable scoundrel, he is.  Just don't ever let him handcuff you to anything non-portable.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2  Sparty On    6 months ago

Maybe they are with Hillary’s missing emails .....

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @2    6 months ago

but, but, but ...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @2.1    6 months ago

Yep, learned that from a liberal here ..... figured you’d recognize it.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.1    6 months ago

they do it too / they did it first / they did it worse. blah, blah, blah...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @2.1.2    6 months ago

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devangelical
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2.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.3    6 months ago

trumpsters revert to alleged scandals from the past when presented with their own scandals in the present.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @2.1.4    6 months ago

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devangelical
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2.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.5    6 months ago

sorry, I realized that concept might be too difficult for some to comprehend when I posted it...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @2.1.6    6 months ago

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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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2.1.8  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.5    6 months ago
Name calling .... a very real indicator of a low intellect.

Name calling?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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2.1.9  cobaltblue  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.5    6 months ago
a very real indicator of a low intellect.

List of disparaging names used by your feckless leader.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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2.1.10  cobaltblue  replied to  devangelical @2.1.2    6 months ago
/ they did it worse. blah, blah, blah..

Trump's a pussy.

256

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.11  Sparty On  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.8    6 months ago

Name calling?

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.12  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @2.1.4    6 months ago
trumpsters revert to alleged scandals from the past when presented with their own scandals in the present.

Seems that that's become an increasingly popular style of derail from those who want to get away from the true facts (as opposed to the  Alternative Facts). ...its become a meme now referred to as a "Whattaboudism":

Kellyanne Conway: Press Secretary Sean Spicer Gave 'Alternative Facts'

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @2.1.4    6 months ago
trumpsters revert to alleged scandals

would that be like liberals seeding hit pieces and chirping endlessly about "criminal acts" even after an extensive 4 year investigation?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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2.2  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Sparty On @2    6 months ago
Maybe they are with Hillary’s missing emails .

Oh.  Brother.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.2    6 months ago

Can you spare a dime?

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2.2  Krishna  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.2    6 months ago

Maybe they are with Hillary’s missing emails .

Oh.  Brother.  

Hillary's "missing emails"?

Can't help but wonder-- do some people actually believe that Hillary won the 2016 election (and maybe that... that Election was "STOLEN BY TRUMP"...)...and that Hillary was the actually winner?

And.. perhaps they actually believe that what this nation desperately needs is a recount of the 2016 ballots?

("Rigged voting machines" anyone???)

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.2    6 months ago

I sick to death about the email bs.  What about stolen and destroyed WH records by Trump or is a certain poster going to let Trump slide on it merely because he is Trump.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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2.3  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Sparty On @2    3 weeks ago

Yes, I believe that is an insightful observation. Or, look in Trump's private toilet.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3  Thomas    6 months ago

The man who would be king.... 

Just more of how he has obfuscated ... err ...operated for years. 

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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3.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Thomas @3    3 weeks ago

Thank, Thomas. I did that once, but thank God, she withdrew the charges.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4  Kavika     6 months ago

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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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4.1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Kavika @4    6 months ago

Too funny!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5  Ed-NavDoc    6 months ago

Either the committee is grasping at straws for lack of any concrete evidence or Trump might possibly just be a bit smarter than the committee and liberal left in general is giving him credit for, or both.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5    6 months ago

No need for him to help them with this political witch hunt

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5    6 months ago

You are hopeless. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.2.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2    6 months ago

Why thank you John. When it comes to politics, that means so much coming from you..../sarc

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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5.3  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5    6 months ago
Trump might possibly just be a bit smarter than the committee and liberal left in general is giving him credit for

No way you typed that with a straight face.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.3.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.3    6 months ago

You'll never know...jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.4  Krishna  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5    6 months ago

Trump might possibly just be a bit smarter than the committee and liberal left in general is giving him credit for, or both.

AHA!!!

In fact perhaps Trump is actually "A Very Stabile Genius" ...and has been fooling us all along!

/sarc

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.4.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @5.4    6 months ago

Now I have to admit that's funny! My only problem was I forgot to put the sarc tag on mine and some people took me seriously.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5    6 months ago
Either the committee is grasping at straws for lack of any concrete evidence or Trump might possibly just be a bit smarter than the committee and liberal left in general is giving him credit for, or both.

Are you claiming that Trump is a criminal mastermind?  Does he have previous experience hiding his criminal actions?

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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5.6  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5    3 weeks ago

Or, Trump is the most corrupt POTUS in the history of our country and the DOJ wants to nail "Dirty Diaper Donnie" to the Sticking Post for good.

Trump is many things:  A Liar, Crook, MYC Mob Associates, Rapist, Racist, Putin Pal, Epstein Pal, North Korea President Pen Pal, Three Times Married Christian Saint, Tax Cheat, holds the record for the largest numbers of Lawsuits brought against him, primarily for non-payment for services rendered, and the Winner of the Most Incompetent POSTUS that Putin has ever installed.

Ex-navy:  What is your opinion about the swarm of UAPs flying over naval carriers and recorded by naval pilots?

Are they surveillance planes tracking "Dirty Diaper Donnie's" criminal, illegal diaper dumps?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.6.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @5.6    3 weeks ago

That's retired former Navy not ex-Navy. There is a big difference. You should educate yourself on that.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6  Trout Giggles    6 months ago

I would be shocked if they found NO gaps in his call logs

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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6.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @6    6 months ago

Same here actually.

 
 
 
Krishna
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6.2  Krishna  replied to  Trout Giggles @6    6 months ago

I would be shocked if they found NO gaps in his call logs

Many would agree with you:

While President Trump was in office, staff in the Whitehouse residence periodically discovered wads of printed paper clogging a toilet in the Whitehouse residence.. Staff believed that the President had been flushing documents.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7  Gsquared    6 months ago

The biggest gap is the vast empty space between Trump's ears.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Gsquared @7    6 months ago

He's outsmarted your team every step of the way.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1    6 months ago

That's why he got re-elected, right?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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7.1.2  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.1    6 months ago
That's why he got re-elected, right?

Nothin' but net!!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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7.1.3  cobaltblue  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7.1.2    6 months ago
Nothin' but net!!

Whoosh!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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7.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Gsquared @7    6 months ago

And his brain dead traitorous [followers,deleted]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8  JohnRussell    6 months ago

The Jan 6 committee will PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that Donald Trump acted immorally and unethically, and probably illegally, on Jan 6 and the surrounding period. This has been clear for some time. The question is, what will the American people demand be done about it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @8    6 months ago

www.wsj.com /articles/january-6-committee-electoral-votes-college-mike-pence-certify-2020-presidential-election-trump-liz-cheney-riot-protest-insurrection-11644510638

Opinion | The Jan. 6 Committee Won’t Be Intimidated

Liz Cheney 6-7 minutes


I keep on my desk a copy of the oath my great-great-grandfather signed when he re-enlisted in the Union Army in 1863. Like the oath given by all those who serve in government and every member of our armed forces, Samuel Fletcher Cheney swore to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.” Generations of Americans have sworn that same oath and given their lives to defend the Constitution and our nation.

Last week, former Vice President Mike Pence spoke about the events of Jan. 6, 2021. President Trump was “wrong,” he said, to insist that Mr. Pence or any vice president could “overturn” the election by refusing to count certified slates of electoral votes. That notion was, as Mr. Pence said, “un-American.” What Mr. Trump had insisted that Mr. Pence do on Jan. 6 was not only un-American, it was unconstitutional and illegal.

Article II and the 12th Amendment govern how the nation selects the president. Congress doesn’t select the president; the states do. Every state in the union now selects a presidential candidate through a popular vote. And every state identifies the manner in which disputes regarding the election are addressed under state law. Those laws set forth a process for challenging an election when concerns arise, including potential recounts or audits and an opportunity to litigate disputed issues in court. When courts have resolved any election challenges, and the election result has been certified by the governor of a state, the election is over. That is the rule of law.

The 12th Amendment also leaves little doubt that Congress must count the certified electoral votes it receives from the states: “The president of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes for president, shall be the president.” This provision doesn’t say, for example, Congress must count certified electoral votes  unless  it has concerns about fraud allegations, or  unless  it disagrees with the outcome of state or federal court litigation. And the vice president, as president of the Senate presiding over the count, can’t simply refuse to count a state’s certified slate of electoral votes—either under the Constitution or under the Electoral Count Act of 1887.

Republicans used to advocate fidelity to the rule of law and the plain text of the Constitution. In 2020, Mr. Trump convinced many to abandon those principles. He falsely claimed that the election was stolen from him because of widespread fraud. While some degree of fraud occurs in every election, there was no evidence of fraud on a scale that could have changed this one. As the Select Committee will demonstrate in hearings later this year, no foreign power corrupted America’s voting machines, and no massive secret fraud changed the election outcome.

Almost all members of Congress know this—although many lack the courage to say it out loud. Mr. Trump knew it too, from his own campaign officials, from his own appointees at the Justice Department, and from the dozens of lawsuits he lost. Yet, Mr. Trump ignored the rulings of the courts and launched a massive campaign to mislead the public. Our hearings will show that these falsehoods provoked the violence on Jan. 6. Mr. Trump’s lawyers have begun to pay the price for spreading these lies. For example Rudy Giuliani’s license to practice law has been suspended because he “communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump, ” in the words of a New York appellate court.

The Jan. 6 investigation isn’t only about the inexcusable violence of that day: It is also about fidelity to the Constitution and the rule of law, and whether elected representatives believe in those things or not. One member of the House Freedom Caucus warned the White House in the days before Jan. 6 that the president’s plans would drive “a stake in the heart of the federal republic.” That was exactly right.

Those who do not wish the truth of Jan. 6 to come out have predictably resorted to attacking the process—claiming it is tainted and political. Our hearings will show this charge to be wrong. We are focused on facts, not rhetoric, and we will present those facts without exaggeration, no matter what criticism we face. My friend the late Charles Krauthammer once said: “The lesson of our history is that the task of merely maintaining strong and sturdy the structures of a constitutional order is unending, the continuing and ceaseless work of every generation.” Every generation of Americans has fulfilled its duty to support and defend the Constitution. That responsibility now falls to us.

Ms. Cheney, a Wyoming Republican, is a U.S. representative and vice chair of the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    6 months ago

www.cnn.com /2022/02/10/politics/capitol-insurrection-donald-trump-republicans-congress/index.html

Analysis: New revelations betray depth of Trump's post-election schemes

Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN 8-10 minutes   2/9/2022


(CNN) A stunning daily stream of  revelations  is shedding new light on the depraved effort by  Donald Trump , his  aides  and extremist Republicans to cover up the former President's constitutional arson and desperate  bid to steal power  after the 2020 election.

It is extraordinary that more than 13 months after the US Capitol insurrection, the depth of Trump's lawlessness and abuses of power is still coming into view. It will be for the  House committee  probing the attack to paint the complete picture and to weigh in on whether they think there was a criminal conspiracy and the extent to which Trump knew about it and directed it.

But new evidence and reporting already strongly suggests Trump's team presided over multiple  schemes to discredit the election ; sought to steal President Joe Biden's win in the states with  rogue lawyers encouraged fake electors;  and sought to block its  certification in Congress.

Wednesday's revelations alone underscored the vast scope of the committee's investigation, the troubling breadth of the subversion effort and what increasingly looks like a Trump world cover-up.

  • The National Archives  asked the Justice Department to investigate Trump's handling of presidential records, all of which should have been turned over when his administration ended. The request followed multiple reports that  Trump tore up documents  and that Archives staff had to  tape back together  some that were handed over to the House committee.
  • In another staggering development,  The Washington Post  reported that Trump's onetime lawyer Rudy Giuliani asked a Republican prosecutor in Michigan to hand over county voting machines, based on a false cheating conspiracy theory.
  • The committee has now subpoenaed yet another key former White House official, Trump's trade adviser  Peter Navarro,  who played a major role in elevating false conspiracy theories about a stolen election.
  • And late on Wednesday,  The New York Times  reported that some of the documents improperly taken to Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort were believed to have been classified. While a President can declassify any material at any time, the story suggests Trump is guilty of gross hypocrisy given his criticism of Hillary Clinton over classified material on her email server that may have cost her the 2016 election.

New details defy Trump's cover-up effort

Wednesday's torrent of disclosures only hints at the size of the election-stealing effort operated out of the Trump White House and of the House committee's investigation of events that culminated in one of the darkest days in US political history.

If there is any comfort for those who believe in American democracy, it is that all of the schemes failed -- often due to the courage of local and state officials, many of them Republicans. But it became ever more clear Wednesday that an ex-President and a corps of fellow believers were willing to attempt to defy the will of voters with authoritarian measures.

That reality underscores the grave danger facing future elections in the US. Trump is seeking to insert like-minded activists and candidates in key positions overseeing elections in what looks like an attempt to destroy safeguards that prevented him from stealing the last election. It is also alarming that while US foes like Russia and China are escalating efforts to discredit democracy in the US and worldwide, their goals are shared by Americans working to destroy it from the inside.

The latest details about the insurrection emerged despite incessant efforts by Trump and those around him to obstruct the January 6 investigation. The President waged a failed campaign right up to the  Supreme Court  to stop West Wing documents making it to the House committee. Some of his aides have made spurious claims of executive privilege to frustrate the panel, which said Wednesday it had nevertheless conducted 500 interviews. Republicans in the House had tried to stop the investigation even starting and are sure to close it down if they win the majority in November's midterm elections.

Committee's progress prompts extreme reactions

The closer the committee appears to discovering the truth, the more unhinged is the reaction from the Trump camp.

Over weekend, in a resolution censuring two Republicans serving on the January 6 panel, the Republican National Committee described the insurrection as  "legitimate political discourse."  That was followed on Wednesday by Navarro unleashing an unmoored outburst after he was subpoenaed by the panel to explain alleged efforts to delay the certification of 2020 election results. He accused the committee, which is investigating an unprecedented insurrection designed to overturn a US election, of being "domestic terrorists."

The request by the National Archives to the Justice Department to look into Trump's handling of White House records escalates controversy over one of the more recent streams of investigation pursued by the committee.

A source told CNN that the Archives wants a review of whether Trump violated the Presidential Records Act, which requires all paper and other documents to be turned over the National Archives at the end of an administration, and other possible violations, including the handling of classified information. CNN has reported the former President routinely ripped up documents and took some with him to Mar-a-Lago after leaving office. The National Archives retrieved 15 boxes from the Florida resort just last month. And a person familiar with the matter previously told CNN that Archives general counsel Gary Stern had contacted Trump's team last fall to ask about records apparently taken there.

It was not clear on Wednesday whether the Justice Department would launch an investigation. Even if it did, it seems a long shot that the ex-President could face formal consequences since the Presidential Records Act contains no enforcement mechanism. The request by the Archives, first reported by  The Washington Post , follows days of reports about Trump's habit of ripping up documents. Sources have said that archivists have been forced to try to tape ripped papers back together before turning them over to the House select committee. The question now is whether Trump will face another legal front -- on top of  a criminal probe in Georgia  into his attempt to steal votes and investigations in New York into his firm's accounting.

All through his personal, business and personal life, Trump has shown an incredible capacity to escape consequences of his actions -- often because his transgressions are so vast and unprecedented they defy any previous expectations of how presidents behave.

On the question of the torn and missing documents, Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor, suggested that Trump may again escape legal jeopardy.

"It is clearly unlawful," he said on CNN's "Newsroom" on Wednesday. "The question of whether it is a crime is a little more complicated. If the intent was, for example, to obstruct justice, to hide wrongdoing, and or other unlawful activity, that would be a crime. Otherwise, it is very wrong, unlawful, but there is no enforcement mechanism and no obvious criminal penalty there."

The presidency as personal entitlement

The fact that the President appears to have openly flouted laws on record keeping was the latest example of his contempt for the traditions and laws that have long defined the office he held for four wild and damaging years.

Every presidents' records are kept, providing historians with intimately detailed primary sources that can be used to reconstruct presidencies decades later.

But Trump always appeared to view the presidency as a personal entitlement with which he could do what he liked rather than a sacred trust meant to advance and defend the national interest. That he appears to be attempting to regain the presidency in 2024 -- even with all this fresh evidence of his misconduct emerging -- only underscores that the coming years could be even more dangerous to US democratic governance and respect for presidential guardrails than the previous five.

Evan Perez, Ryan Nobles, Zachary Cohen, Annie Grayer and Marshall Cohen contributed to this story.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
8.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @8    6 months ago
This has been clear for some time.

Which makes one wonder why the Democrats think obsessviely focusing on this will matter to anyone.  Trump Trump Trump isn't helping people struggling with inflation, or who wonder why their streets are crime ridden. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2    6 months ago

Streets aren't crime-ridden any more than they have been at other periods in our history.  The idea that the Biden administration is to blame for something like that is absurd. Conservatives and Republicans just want to take the heat off all of Trumps misdeeds

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.1    6 months ago

The crime stats tell a different story John, much different.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @8.2.2    6 months ago
Despite the increase in violent crime, particularly murders, between 2020 and 2021, the quantity of overall crime is still  far below  the peak of crime seen in   during the late 1980s and early 1990s, as other crimes such as rape, property crime and robbery continued to decline.
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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @8.2.2    6 months ago

Sounds like you're wrong to me

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
8.2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.4    6 months ago

So is trusting Wikipedia as a reliable source.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.2.6  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.3    6 months ago

Let’s try to keep current, at least within a decade.    

So, it’s not far below pre 2020.    Not even close

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.2.7  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.4    6 months ago

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Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
8.2.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.1    6 months ago

Actually, crimes against Asians have risen more than any other period thanks to Trump.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8.2.8    6 months ago
Actually, crimes against Asians have risen more than any other period thanks to Trump.

Just yet one more thing progressives manage to blame all on Trump. 

Well, one more thing they blame on Trump without evidence, of course.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
8.2.10  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.9    6 months ago

So you are denying that Trump actually called Covid "The China Virus"? And then started referring to it as "The Kung Flu".

And since then the number of violent hate crimes against Asian-Americans suddenly spiked..

"Coincidence"...

???

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
8.2.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  Krishna @8.2.10    6 months ago

Are you denying that ice cream sales go up in the summer and so murders?

You and the other members of the Trump is too blame for everything cult should look up the difference between correlation and causation.  

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
8.2.12  bugsy  replied to  Krishna @8.2.10    6 months ago
And since then the number of violent hate crimes against Asian-Americans suddenly spiked..

Didn't know there were so many blacks that were Trump supporters.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @8.2.10    6 months ago
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Krishna
Professor Principal
8.2.14  Krishna  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8.2.8    6 months ago
Actually, crimes against Asians have risen more than any other period thanks to Trump.

And while many of the MAGA-cultists are in denial, Asian Americans are quite aware of that-- and they are quite aware of why.

I have Chinese-American friends-- many say that for the first time in their lives they are afraid to go out in areas that were once quite safe.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
8.2.15  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2.11    6 months ago
Are you denying that ice cream sales go up in the summer and so murders?

Violent attacks against Asian-Americans have suddenly spiked-- and stayed up--- as soon as Trump used the words "China Virus" and "Kung Flu".

I am well aware of the relationship between correlation and correlation. In fact I use these sorts of statistics in my work every day!

And Yes I know that correlation doesn't always imply correlation.

But if you were aware of how that operates you would know that while it doesn't always imply causation-- its also false and misleading to claim that when two variable are correlated there's never causation.

Because sometimes there is causation, and sometimes there isn't.

 In this case there is.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
8.2.16  Krishna  replied to  bugsy @8.2.12    6 months ago
Didn't know there were so many blacks that were Trump supporters.

And while we're trying to derail the conversation-- what about the Jews with their space lazers-- up against the evil Nazi Gazpacho?

/sarc

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
8.2.17  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @8.2.16    6 months ago

And don't forget the bigoted anti-Semitic comedy team of Omar & Tlaib.

/sarc

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
8.2.18  bugsy  replied to  Krishna @8.2.16    6 months ago

How was my post a deflection?

YOU said Trump was a direct reason why there is an uptick to Asians in this country, basing it on him using the terms Wuhan flu, or China flu or whatever it is you posted.

I directly responded by asking if there are that many blacks that are Trump supporters, BECAUSE, pretty much every video of an Asian getting attacked is by a black

Get it now?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
8.2.19  bugsy  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @8.2.17    6 months ago

No need for a sarcasm tag on that.

This team is absolutely real.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
8.2.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  bugsy @8.2.18    6 months ago

Another one.  

Trump's fault, I'm sure.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
8.2.21  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @8.2.14    6 months ago

Gun sales have skyrocketed since the violence began against Asians.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
8.2.22  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  bugsy @8.2.19    6 months ago

I know.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.23  Tessylo  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8.2.8    6 months ago
"Actually, crimes against Asians have risen more than any other period thanks to Trump."

Yup, thanks to whatshisname himself calling it the China virus and the Kung flu along with many of his supporters/enablers.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
Senior Expert
8.2.24  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2    3 weeks ago

This attempted coup and Trump total lack of competence created every issue this nation and this administration faces today.

Tyranny is not a NOBLE ACCOMPLISHMENT.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9  JBB    6 months ago

Again with the obstruction of justice by Trump...

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
Senior Expert
9.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  JBB @9    3 weeks ago

Trump and all of his collaborators will be punished to the full extent of the law. It took years, decades to bring down the MOB.  Trump is a mobster without pants.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
10  Buzz of the Orient    6 months ago

Why did it take a whole year to determine that Trump stole the White House records?   Anyone who doubts that he will have destroyed whatever could incriminate him has to be the biggest fool in the world deserving to be recorded in the Guiness Book of Records.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Masters Guide
10.1  Snuffy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10    6 months ago
Anyone who doubts that he will have destroyed whatever could incriminate him has to be the biggest fool in the world deserving to be recorded in the Guiness Book of Records.

And it looks like he didn't destroy records like some thought he might.  It's been referred to the DOJ as they found some of the documents in those boxes were classified documents that should never have left the WH in the first place. 

As for the "holes" in the call logs, I don't worry too much over that.  Every president since the invention of cell phones has had their personal cell phone as well as the official cell phone. They promise to not perform official duties on their personal devices, but does anybody really believe that the politicians holding any high office is truly honest, forth-coming and transparent?  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @10.1    6 months ago

Oh FFS - he should have never taken all those documents out of the White House in the first place - what the fuck were they doing at Mar-A-Lardo??????????

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
10.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.1    6 months ago

Maybe Trump seeked advice from Hillary. After all, she is a pro at "finding"  lost papers, ie Whitewater

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @10.1.2    6 months ago

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Whitewater did not occur IN the White House.

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 and Hillary was never the President.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.3    6 months ago

Since he never once said it did or that she was President, what are you arguing exactly here?

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cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.1.5  cobaltblue  replied to  bugsy @10.1.2    6 months ago
seeked

Sought. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
10.1.6  bugsy  replied to  cobaltblue @10.1.5    6 months ago
Sought.

Who cares?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
10.1.7  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.4    6 months ago
Since he never once said it did or that she was President, what are you arguing exactly here?

Nothing more than a failed attempt at a hoped for "gotcha" moment.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @10.1.6    6 months ago

English speaking people.

Seeked vs Sought | Meaning, How To Use, Examples?

January 25, 2022   by   Prasanna

Seeked vs Sought:   Sought is the correct English word that is the past tense of ‘Seek’. Seeked is an incorrect word and not present in the English dictionary. “Seeked” is a misspelling word of sought.  For example, “Ken sought for doctor’s help for his mental illness” is the correct sentence but “Ken seeked for doctor’s help for his mental illness” is the incorrect sentence.

  • Present tense = Seek
  • Simple present tense = Sought
  • Past participle tense = Sought

Seeked vs Sought | Meaning, How To Use, Examples? - A Plus Topper

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @10.1.7    6 months ago
Nothing more than a failed attempt at a hoped for "gotcha" moment.

If you have to defend it that lamely, it didn't fail.

It's a simple fact that the President, ANY POTUS from ANY party

is legally held to a higher standard while they occupy the White House by the PRA of 1978,

including all papers, phone logs, phones, or other communications devices.

Laws the former President Trump appears to have ignored daily and bigly.

What on earth will they put in his Presidential library?

Chances are nothing.

Will There Be a Trump Presidential Library? Don’t Count On It.

If you understand how presidential libraries are created, it’s hard to see how Trump ever gets it done.

Will There Be a Trump Presidential Library? Don’t Count On It.- POLITICO

Hillary, never elected POTUS, is not and will never be held to the same standard as a sitting President.

Whitewater was just a typical American political witch hunt to discredit both Clintons from

real estate investments in the 1970s but neither were ever charged.  

The Clinton's lost $46,000 in the investment prior to Bill's election as Governor in 1978.

That means that the suggested requirement for retaining records for tax purposes would have expired

some time around 1985 or 1986.

In other words four or five years prior to Bill Clinton's first election as POTUS they had no legal reason to keep

those records.

But, but Hillary's emails... 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
10.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.3    6 months ago
Whitewater did not occur IN the White House.

Lol...

Raising suspicions that Whitewater documents were deliberately withheld from investigators, a personal aide to First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton testified Thursday that she found the missing papers when they suddenly appeared in a room accessible only to the Clinton family, their guests and personal and custodial staff.

The aide, Carolyn Huber, said that she found the papers five months ago lying on a table in the “book room” of the White House living quarters--an area where access is closely guarded by uniformed Secret Service personnel. It is off-limits to the general White House staff.

and Hillary was never the President.

You do know she lived in the White House? 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.1.10    6 months ago

The original investigation was called Grande Castle and focused on the McDougal's bank failure which cost

the taxpayers $73 million when Madison Guaranty failed in the late 80's.

The records the Clintons kept and forgot about could have been shredded legally in the late 80's.

There was no legal reason to keep them.

In the end they had no consequences to the Clintons.  Right?

You do know she lived in the White House? 

It's a simple question Sean

When was Hillary Clinton obligated to save documents per the PRA of 1978?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.1.12  cobaltblue  replied to  bugsy @10.1.6    6 months ago
Who cares?

You  should care, but c'est la vie.

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cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.1.13  cobaltblue  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.9    6 months ago
But, but Hillary's emails... 

Brilliant reply, but do not expect comprehension by some. What astounds me is these same people who were up in arms about Hillary's emails don't think there's a thing wrong with Trump's irresponsibility with WH documents. What they considered illegalities by the democrats just ain't no thang with Trump. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  cobaltblue @10.1.12    6 months ago

Your little picture explains Biden in a most brilliant way.

Thanks for providing it!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  cobaltblue @10.1.13    6 months ago
What astounds me is these same people who were up in arms about Hillary's emails don't think there's a thing wrong with Trump's irresponsibility with WH documents

Does it astound you that the same people who gave Hillary a pass are up in arms now over Trump?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.1.16  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.14    6 months ago

It explains Trump even better...

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.1.17  Split Personality  replied to  cobaltblue @10.1.13    6 months ago
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Alan Bromwell
Comedian (2013-present)

Yep. At a certain point, Carlin got sick of our tendency to blame our problems on our politicians, pointing out that these politicians are the product of American culture and institutions. Name a politician and I will name you an egomaniac.

Ultimately, we have to decide why it is we need leaders in the first place. Are they just symbols, or are we really entrusting them to protect us? Seems to me humanity is in the process of realizing that the whole thing is a sham. Do you need someone to lead you? To protect you from the backlash of dead people’s sins? Most people, in their heart, need community but not authority.

Do you agree with the great American comedian George Carlin that 'Selfish, ignorant citizens elect selfish, ignorant politicians'? - Quora

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.1.18  cobaltblue  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.14    6 months ago
Your little picture explains Biden in a most brilliant way.

You mean meme? Or my little picture avatar that says 'get out and vote' which helps to explain why Biden walked away with 306 electoral votes and over 7 million more popular votes than Trumplethinskin?

Interaction with you always makes me smile. It always reminds me of my favorite M*A*S*H episode:

Hawkeye: Frank, stop acting like a sniveling idiot!
Maj. Frank Burns: I'm not acting!

PS: You're not Hawkeye.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.1.19  cobaltblue  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.15    6 months ago
Hillary a pass are up in arms now over Trump?

Hillary passed muster. Despite the republicans having both houses. Four years in the WH and Trump did shit about it. What happened to lock her up? What happened to special prosecutor? There was nothing to prosecute. If you say there was something to prosecute, then you're admitting you backed and continue to back the most inept, incompetent, amateurish administration ever. They had the shit to put Hillary away, and they blew it. Right? Isn't that what it infers? Now we just wait to see if the grifter in chief passes muster.

I proud of your resolve. You will go down with the shit. I know you know, and we all know you know, that Trump is a liar, a cheater, a grifter, an opportunist, a manipulator (he doesn't even try to set straight those idiots waiting in Dealey Plaza for JFK to show up and run with their feckless leader), but it's worth selling your soul to 'own the libbies.' Good for you, Tex. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
10.1.20  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.9    6 months ago
What on earth will they put in his Presidential library?

A set of golf clubs and an honourary degree from Trump University.  And hopefully, his parole papers.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
10.1.21  Krishna  replied to  bugsy @10.1.6    6 months ago
Sought.
Who cares?

You do.

At least enough to bother to comment!

(Ha! I bet that wasn't the answer that you Soughted! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png )

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
10.1.22  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.1.10    6 months ago
You do know she lived in the White House? 

Good point!

Everyone nose that everywon who livs in the Whyte Huse is president.

(Although many people are saying that Hillary, while not a president, did indeed set a precedent).

Yup-- hears a lizt of a fyu uv thos who livd in the Whyte house at won Thyme or anuther:

  • Commander
  • Major
  • Vicky
  • Pasha
  • King Timahoe
  • Grits
  • Tabby
  • Dixie

(Actually Dixie surprized me).

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
10.1.23  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.8    6 months ago

English is so much fun.  Now if the past tense of seek is sought, why isn't the past tense of peek pought or reek rought?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.1.24  cobaltblue  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.9    6 months ago
What on earth will they put in his Presidential library?

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Greg Jones
Professor Guide
10.1.25  Greg Jones  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.3    6 months ago
 "and Hillary was never the President."

Thankfully!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
10.1.26  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  cobaltblue @10.1.19    6 months ago

You just described the majority of elected officials of both parties in DC. Contrary to popular opinion, it is not exclusive to just Trump!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.16    6 months ago
It explains Trump even better...

But not as well as it explains some hypocritical partisan progressive liberals!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  cobaltblue @10.1.19    6 months ago
Hillary passed muster.

Sure she did. Pretend she never did a thing wrong all you wish, I know the truth.

"Owning libbies" must be something disgruntled and defeated-in-debates some progressive liberals say when they keep having their asses handed to them.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
10.1.29  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.1    6 months ago

What he did violated federal law but I doubt Merrick will do anything about it.  Biden needs to replace that chump.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
10.1.30  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.1.10    6 months ago

For eight years no less!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.1.31  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @10.1.30    6 months ago

and the Presidential Records Act of 1978 applied to her husband Bill,

first and foremost for those 8 years, there's no argument there.

Hillary's receipts and tax returns from 1979, not at all an issue.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.1.32  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.27    6 months ago

or many hypocritical partisan regressive conservatives.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.33  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.32    6 months ago

But not as well as it explains some hypocritical partisan progressive liberals!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.1.34  cobaltblue  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.28    6 months ago
I know the truth.

So why didn't she get prosecuted? Was the Chump administration too stupid to do anything about it? If you know it to be true, why don't you call the FBI and share what you know to be true. 

"Owning libbies" must be something disgruntled and defeated-in-debates some progressive liberals say when they keep having their asses handed to them.

Defeated-in-debates is ridiculous. There is nothing to debate. Sit back and be schooled at to where "owning libbies" came from. 

For a political party whose membership skews older, it might be surprising that the spirit that most animates Republican politics today is best described with a phrase from the world of video games: “Owning the libs.” Gamers borrowed the term from the nascent world of 1990s   computer hacking, using it to describe their conquered opponents: “owned.” To “own the libs” does not require victory so much as a commitment to infuriating, flummoxing or otherwise distressing liberals with one’s awesomely uncompromising conservatism. And its pop-cultural roots and clipped snarkiness are perfectly aligned with a party that sees pouring fuel on the culture wars’ fire as its best shot at surviving an era of Democratic control.

Cite

" Owning the libs " is a political strategy used by some  conservatives in the United States  that focuses on upsetting  political liberals . Users of the strategy emphasize and expand upon  culture war  issues intended to be divisive to provoke a reaction in others.

Cite

  • "Owning the libs" is a tongue-in-cheek expression to either describe rattling Democrats and progressives or conservatives making their own missteps in the attempt to do so.
  • The phrase has accelerated among online trolls, campus activists, and much of the conservative right.
  • The deeper meaning behind the strategy and tactics being carried out to "own the libs" is a major point of contention among traditional conservatives in the new Trump era of the GOP. [Underscore mine.]

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So, Tex, you're wrong. Again. It's a term coined by conservatives as their way of saying the end justifies the means. It means you are willing to overlook the thievery, the traitorous behavior and the grifting from the POS you called President for four years. Would you please take the time to research before formulating what you believe is a "gotcha" moment and think before posting. You appear uninformed, ill-prepared, short-sighted and unprincipled when you don't think before committing to commentary that is there for all to see. 

Did I mention you were wrong? Again? 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.1.35  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.33    6 months ago

Yes, definitely as well as it explains some partisan regressive conservatives.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
10.1.36  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.11    6 months ago
The original investigation was called Grande Castle and focused on the McDougal's bank failure which cost

Deflect Deflect Deflect.

I know what it Whitewater was. Obviously, better than you since you didn't think it involved the White House.

There was no legal reason to keep them.

So what? They still magically appeared in the White House two years after they'd been subpoenaed, and after the White House claimed they didn't have them.

t's a simple question Sean

It is. Do you know she lived in the White House, or not?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.37  Texan1211  replied to  cobaltblue @10.1.34    6 months ago
So why didn't she get prosecuted?

Probably for the same reasons Trump wasn't indicted after the Great Mueller Report which we were told would really, really get him.

Defeated-in-debates is ridiculous. There is nothing to debate. Sit back and be schooled at to where "owning libbies" came from. 

Prattling on doesn't hold any interest to me.

The only people I hear droning on about "owning libs" are whiny progressive liberals, usually right after losing debates. That is my experience, and you are free to describe YOUR own experiences if you wish, but you don't get to tell me what mine are.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.38  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.35    6 months ago

But STILL not as well as it explains some hypocritical partisan progressive liberals!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.1.39  cobaltblue  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.37    6 months ago
Probably for the same reasons Trump wasn't indicted after the Great Mueller Report which we were told would really, really get him.

So you're either saying they were both guilty and got away with it or they were both innocent. Which is it?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.1.40  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.38    6 months ago

Sorry, thanks for wasting my time.

If I want to ague like a 6 year old, I'll call my grand daughter, at least  she has a sense of humor.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.41  Texan1211  replied to  cobaltblue @10.1.39    6 months ago
So you're either saying they were both guilty and got away with it or they were both innocent.

Interesting that is what you "think" you read in my post.

Very interesting.

What else do you imagine I have stated that I haven't?

What else do you wish to debate after putting words in my mouth?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.42  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.40    6 months ago
Sorry, thanks for wasting my time.

Thank you for your time and comments.

If I want to ague like a 6 year old, I'll call my grand daughter, at least  she has a sense of humor.

Suit yourself.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.1.43  cobaltblue  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.37    6 months ago
after losing debates.

But Tex. You DON'T debate. I'm thoroughly convinced you don't know what the term 'debate' means. What you call debate is you merely dissolving into grade school tirades, weak and watered down insults, and your infantile insistence at having the last word. You speak in circles without making a counter-point simply because you're not equipped. But keep talkin', Tex. Amuse me. 

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.44  Texan1211  replied to  cobaltblue @10.1.43    6 months ago
You DON'T debate.

Then you don't understand the word properly.

I'm thoroughly convinced you don't know what the term 'debate' means.

Further proof of Reagan being right.

“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

And with that, you may take the final words.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.1.45  cobaltblue  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.41    6 months ago
What else do you wish to debate after putting words in my mouth?

How can it be a debate if you don't explain what appears as the obvious inference by that sentence and you claim I'm putting words in your mouth?

Hillary did not get prosecuted. You say you know there was wrongdoing. So the implication is she got away with it. You then said she wasn't indicted "Probably for the same reasons Trump wasn't indicted after the Great Mueller Report which we were told would really, really get him." The meaning of that is obvious (you don't have to say it, which is your 'out'). Either Trump was guilty and got away with it too, or they're both innocent of all wrongdoings. 

I don't need to put words in your mouth, Tex. You made a telling statement and won't admit it, and you'll try to save face by saying something totally absurd and sophomoric like "What else do you wish to debate after putting words in my mouth?" That's not debating, Tex. Not even close. You claim to make a point and when someone asks you explain what exactly it means, you dissolve into obvious attempts to retreat thus avoiding having to clarify what you meant. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.46  Texan1211  replied to  cobaltblue @10.1.45    6 months ago

And with that, you may take the final words.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.1.47  cobaltblue  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.46    6 months ago
final words.

How many do I get?

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
Freshman Silent
10.1.48  Duck Hawk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10.1.23    3 weeks ago

Lmao TY, my wife was an English major, we tidbits like that!

 
 
 
gooseisback
Freshman Silent
10.2  gooseisback  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10    6 months ago

A better question is why was our Vice President Elect in the DNC building on Jan 6th, the same place a supposed pipe bomb was located and no one has mentioned it.   Why wasn't the pipe bomb found by the typical sweep of the premises by the secret service since it was exactly hidden. Why hasn't the FBI located this supposed bomber when they had the bombs, they have video footage, they can see him or her on their cell phone at a location.  But they can trace the cell phones of the people inside the capital and run and arrest them.      

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
10.2.1  Dulay  replied to  gooseisback @10.2    6 months ago
A better question is why was our Vice President Elect in the DNC building on Jan 6th, the same place a supposed pipe bomb was located and no one has mentioned it.   

If 'no one has mentioned it' how the fuck do YOU know about it?

BTFW goose, if you think that is a 'better question', rather than trying to derail this seed, post your own. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  gooseisback @10.2    6 months ago
The FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms are still offering a $100,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the suspect.

Call 1-800-CALL-FBI(225-5324)

or use tips.fbi.gov;

Be part of the solution, stop whining.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
10.2.3  Krishna  replied to  gooseisback @10.2    6 months ago
A better question is why was our Vice President Elect in the DNC building on Jan 6th, the same place a supposed pipe bomb was located and no one has mentioned it.   Why wasn't the pipe bomb found by the typical sweep of the premises by the secret service since it was exactly hidden. Why hasn't the FBI located this supposed bomber when they had the bombs, they have video footage, they can see him or her on their cell phone at a location.  But they can trace the cell phones of the people inside the capital and run and arrest them. 

An even better question: Did you know that no plane ever hit The Pentagon on 9/11?

That the Moon landing was faked?

That Sandy Hook was a hoax-- no one actually died?

/sarc

 
 
 
gooseisback
Freshman Silent
10.2.4  gooseisback  replied to  Krishna @10.2.3    6 months ago
An even better question: Did you know that no plane ever hit The Pentagon on 9/11?

That the Moon landing was faked?

That Sandy Hook was a hoax-- no one actually died?

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Kamala Harris was at DNC on Jan. 6 when pipe bomb was found outside (nbcnews.com)

 
 
 
gooseisback
Freshman Silent
10.2.5  gooseisback  replied to  Dulay @10.2.1    6 months ago
If 'no one has mentioned it' how the fuck do YOU know about it?

Ha Ha Ha, I guess I am a fucking genius because I can put, "Kamala Harris at DNC on Jan 6th" in a search ! 

Kamala Harris was at DNC on Jan. 6 when pipe bomb was found outside (nbcnews.com)

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
10.2.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dulay @10.2.1    6 months ago

I heard about them finding a pipe bomb about 3 weeks after the insurrection.  I guess it was mentioned after all.

 
 
 
gooseisback
Freshman Silent
10.2.7  gooseisback  replied to  Split Personality @10.2.2    6 months ago
Be part of the solution, stop whining.

WTF am I going to do, I don't have access to the cell phone tower traffic, or all of the security cameras this person showed up on, or the pipe bombs that he planted to check for DNA or trace the parts. Hey, I guess Kamala the first black, female, Vice President is only worth $100k.  Just find it funny that they can track down some old Grandma out of 10,000 people who did nothing more than walk into a building but can't find this clown (or maybe they don't want to). 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
10.2.8  Split Personality  replied to  gooseisback @10.2.7    6 months ago

Well you have proven that you are good at complaining, so call the FBI and give them a piece of your mind.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.2.9  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @10.2.8    6 months ago

along with a microscope...

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
10.2.10  Dulay  replied to  gooseisback @10.2.5    6 months ago
Ha Ha Ha, I guess I am a fucking genius because I can put, "Kamala Harris at DNC on Jan 6th" in a search ! 

Wow goose, it's seriously sad that you don't seem to realize that posting a LINK to a major media story about a topic PROVES that someone DID 'mention it'. 

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gooseisback
Freshman Silent
10.2.11  gooseisback  replied to  Dulay @10.2.10    6 months ago
it's seriously sad that you don't seem to realize that posting a LINK

You mean you're seriously sad that there was a link. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
10.2.12  Dulay  replied to  gooseisback @10.2.11    6 months ago
You mean you're seriously sad that there was a link. 

Reading is fundamental goose. 

I said, 'it's sad', NOT I'm sad. 

BTW goose, it's also sad that you need to truncate my comment in a sad attempt at snark. 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
10.3  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10    6 months ago
Trump stole the White House records?

Stole... or flushed?

While President Trump was in office, staff in the Whitehouse residence periodically discovered wads of printed paper clogging a toilet in the Whitehouse residence.. Staff believed that the President had been flushing documents.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
10.3.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Krishna @10.3    6 months ago

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cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
10.3.2  cobaltblue  replied to  sandy-2021492 @10.3.1    6 months ago

Oh, this is hilarious!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
10.3.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  cobaltblue @10.3.2    6 months ago

I have smart, funny friends on Facebook.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.3.4  Sparty On  replied to  Krishna @10.3    6 months ago

Lol .... there is so much unproven and potentially false in that comment it might set a new record [deleted]

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
10.3.5  Krishna  replied to  Sparty On @10.3.4    6 months ago
Lol .... there is so much unproven and potentially false in that comment it might set a new record [deleted]

Nope.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
10.3.6  Krishna  replied to  sandy-2021492 @10.3.3    6 months ago
I have smart, funny friends on Facebook.

I started reading comments on fb (also Twitter) lately.

A lot of it the same incredibly stupid garbage that's present on most Social media sites.

But there some people on both those sites that are brilliant. 

And really nice people.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
10.3.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @10.3.6    6 months ago

I've found a lot of good people on NV and NT myself.  In fact my first friend on NV was (and still is) not only brilliant, but extremely witty. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
10.3.8  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  sandy-2021492 @10.3.1    6 months ago

What a ding-dong!  Then the fool tried to cover his ass in advance by initiating a discussion on the lack of single-flush satisfaction from toilets across the US. 

The President claimed Americans are flushing their toilets “10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once” and argued that they are having difficulty with washing their hands in what appeared to be a tangent about low-flow sinks and toilets.  source

At least the recent revelations explain that ridiculous line of thought.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
10.3.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @10.3    6 months ago

It would appear that he did both.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  sandy-2021492 @10.3.1    6 months ago
Staff had to follow the fucking moron around with scotch tape because he was constantly tearing up documents.  

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Sophomore Expert
10.3.11  al Jizzerror  replied to  sandy-2021492 @10.3.1    6 months ago

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Eat The Press Do Not Read It
Senior Expert
10.4  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10    3 weeks ago

Trump has committed crimes every day he was in office and because his Republican administration had the backbone of mush, the voluminous violations are coming out every day.

Conservative Republican Criminals have been hiding their deeds for decades, in time they will we dealt JUSTICE.  This is not an hour-long TV show.

Trump, his father, Frederich, and his grandfather are all criminals.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
11  Jeremy Retired in NC    6 months ago

What was the phrase used?  Oh that's right "At this point, what difference does it make?"

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
Senior Expert
11.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11    3 weeks ago

When your country was attacked it matters for the rest of this country's existence.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
12  Greg Jones    6 months ago

Trump will never be prosecuted for any alleged crimes.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
12.1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Greg Jones @12    6 months ago
Trump will never be prosecuted for any alleged crimes.

Charles Manson thought he was clever, too.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
12.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @12.1    6 months ago
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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
12.1.2  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.1    6 months ago
5 years investigating and there is still zero evidence against Trump.

Exactly how much evidence did you think Trump's justice department was going to find against him? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @12.1.2    6 months ago
Exactly how much evidence did you think Trump's justice department was going to find against him? 

At least as much as Obama's Justice Dept. found on Hillary!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
12.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @12.1.2    6 months ago

Let me guess, this is where you make the claim of obstruction and go crying into the night isn't it.  

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
12.1.5  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.3    6 months ago

I'll break this to you as gently as I can:  Hillary Clinton was never President of the United States.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
12.1.6  Jack_TX  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @12.1.5    6 months ago
Hillary Clinton was never President of the United States.

Thank God for that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @12.1.5    6 months ago
I'll break this to you as gently as I can:  Hillary Clinton was never President of the United States.

Okay, I'll bite once. What have you actually read that leads you in any way to think you are breaking this "news" to me?

Many people are blissfully aware of and ecstatic about Hillary never grabbing the brass ring despite it being her turn.

Helpful hint--if you want to "break" things to me, please in the future make it worth reading and actually BE "breaking".

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
12.1.8  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.4    6 months ago
Let me guess, this is where you make the claim of obstruction and go crying into the night isn't it.

Obstruction?  I don't see any obstruction going on.  I'll admit to being somewhat cranky about the timetable, but patience is not my middle name.  And the only person I've seen 'crying into the night' (and then some) regarding Trump and his troubles, is you. 

Hankie?     

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
12.1.9  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.7    6 months ago
Helpful hint--if you want to "break" things to me, please in the future make it worth reading and actually BE "breaking".

What do you call that thing when people are unable to spot in-your-face tomfoolery?  Relax, Heloise. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @12.1.9    6 months ago
What do you call that thing when people are unable to spot in-your-face tomfoolery?  Relax, Heloise. 

I don't call "it" anything, but I usually call the people perpetrating things like this progressive liberals.

Because in my experience, it looks to be a thing for them to do.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
12.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @12.1.8    6 months ago

Crying?  Nope.  Not in the least.  Laughing at you all?  Oh hell yes.  You all fear him so much that you keep tabs on every little thing he does.  It's hilarious.  Why do you fear him so much?  

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.12  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.11    6 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
12.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.12    6 months ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @12.1.2    6 months ago
"5 years investigating and there is still zero evidence against Trump."

"Exactly how much evidence did you think Trump's justice department was going to find against him?" 

Barr was his consigliere after all.  People scoff but his Mueller summary was his resume.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @12.1.14    6 months ago
  People scoff but his Mueller summary was his resume.  

Are you aware of the simple fact that Barr was already AG BEFORE he released his summary--which was perfectly fine for him to do, btw?

Claiming that is his resume is ridiculous and childishly wrong, wrong, wrong.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.13    6 months ago

[deleted meta.]

[NT provides two areas  for meta conversations,]

[Metafied with limited moderation]

[and Heated Debate with very, very limited moderation.]

[Please feel free to visit those groups.]

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
12.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.16    6 months ago

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Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.18  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.17    6 months ago

Removed for context

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.17    6 months ago
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Eat The Press Do Not Read It
Senior Expert
12.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Greg Jones @12    3 weeks ago

Wishful thinking. Inch by inch, day by day the noose is tightening around the neck of the vilest man in our nation's history.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Sophomore Expert
14  al Jizzerror    6 months ago

Remember Richard Nixon?  Yes, he was a Dick.

Nixon was forced to resign because in the 1970s Republican Senators believed in the Constitution.

Back then the majority of Republican Senators also believed 

Nixon's crime was NOT the Watergate break-in.  Nixon's crime was the COVER-UP.  It's illegal to cover-up a crime.

The turning point in the case was when SCOTUS ruled that Congress could have Nixon's White House tapes.

There was a (gasp!) 18 1/2 minute gap on one of the tapes.  The erasure proved there was a cover-up.

The funny thing is the tapes proved Nixon's involvement despite the gap.

Now we have a former president who has destroyed documents, circumvented the PDA and hauled documents (including secret information) to his gilded hideout.  Those actions are considerably more significant than anything Nixon ever did.

The were some Republicans (a minority) who worshipped Nixon and embraced his methods.  One of them even had Nixon's likeness tattooed on his back.  That loyal  member of Nixon's team was Roger Stone (who is now being investigated by the Jan 6th Committee).  Stone was a young "dirty Ticks" facilitator for Nixon.  Stone was also participating in Trump's conspiracy on Jan 6th.  Stone was in the Willard Hotel with his Oathkeeper guards.

256  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
14.1  Tessylo  replied to  al Jizzerror @14    6 months ago

I can't imagine the dirt Stone has on whatshisname.  Stone and his wife used to, and probably still do, go to sex clubs and were involved in all kinds of kinky freaky shit.  

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
Senior Expert
14.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  al Jizzerror @14    3 weeks ago

Amen, Al Jizzerror, one of the best writers on theNewsTalkers.com!

 
 

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