18 Children , 2 Teachers Dead In Texas Elementary School Shooting - The New York Times

  

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By:   Jesus Jimenez (nytimes)

18 Children , 2 Teachers Dead In  Texas Elementary School Shooting - The New York Times
The Uvalde Police Department said just after 1 p.m. that the assailant was in police custody.

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This story has been updated by the Texas State Police -  18 elementary school children , and 2 of their teachers, are dead in a mass shooting.

The Uvalde Police Department said just after 1 p.m. that the assailant was in police custody.

VideoMore than 12 people were injured in a shooting at a Texas elementary school. The assailant is in police custody, according to the Uvalde Police Department.CreditCredit...Marco Bello/Reuters

By Jesus Jimenez

May 24, 2022, 4:17 p.m. ET

More than a dozen children were injured in a shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday afternoon, and at least two people were dead, Uvalde Memorial Hospital said.

The two people who were killed had died by the time they arrived at the hospital, the hospital said on Facebook. Their ages were not immediately released. The conditions of those who were injured were unclear. The Uvalde Police Department said just after 1 p.m. that the assailant was in police custody.

In an earlier update, the hospital said several students from the school, Robb Elementary, were being treated in the emergency room.

Another hospital, University Health in San Antonio, said that it had received two patients, a child and an adult, from the shooting.

Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District said on Twitter that there was an "active shooter" at the school around noon.

The school district said it had designated the DeLeon Civic Center, about a mile and a half from the school, as a reunification site for parents to pick up their children.

Uvalde is a city of about 16,000 people about 84 miles west of San Antonio.

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

Evidently no good guys wth guns were available for duty.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

Are you really going to politicize this too?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    one month ago

Were there good guys with guns available to prevent this , or not? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
1.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago

It was an inappropriate and sick comment on your part.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago

It was an elementary school!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago

it was an elementary school without security,

your compassion is underwhelming.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago
Evidently no good guys wth guns were available for duty.

Federal Gun-Free School Zones Act: Originally enacted in 1990, the Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) is a federal law that requires states to restrict firearms on school property.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    one month ago

That is not even worth dignifying with a response. Bad form JR.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.7  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    one month ago

So what? Sandy Hook Elementary resolved nothing about guns in conservative circles, but generated standard rhetoric. Sandy Hook Elementary School razed to the ground: So What?!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @1.1.7    one month ago

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1stwarrior
Professor Guide
1.1.9  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago

Yes,  there was, and a CBP officer shot and killed the shooter.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @1.1.7    one month ago
So What?!

Where were this kids parents? They must have known something was wrong. 

I'd love to see them interviewed.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
1.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    one month ago

Do you expect anything less?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.12  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.10    one month ago

Why must they have known something was wrong? (Ramos lived with his grandmother I am to understand the news accounting.) She is shot This is not a 'disciplinary matter,' Vic.  Persons who lack discipline don't go out and kill other people and themselves.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.1.7    one month ago
Sandy Hook Elementary resolved nothing about guns in conservative circles

What do you think it resolved in liberal circles?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @1.1.12    one month ago
Ramos lived with his grandmother

After his drug user Mom kicked him out several months ago.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.14    one month ago
"Ramos lived with his grandmother"

"After his drug user Mom kicked him out several months ago."

It's admirable how you defend women!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.16  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.14    one month ago

I don't need to involve his mom in this just so as render judgement on her. I don't know where you 'divined' this info, or read it but in any case, if Ramos was not in the 'parents' home or dwelling why diss her for her choices in life?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
1.1.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  CB @1.1.16    one month ago

Right here.................

The Post also wrote that Flores and other people who knew the family said Ramos' mother used drugs. The situation in the household resulted in Ramos moving in with his grandmother, who also owns the Hood Street house. Flores told the newspaper that the grandmother told him she was trying to evict Ramos' mother because of her drug use.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
1.1.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.15    one month ago

See1.1.17

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.19  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.15    one month ago
It's admirable how you defend women!

Help me out and defend Mom.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.19    one month ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.18    one month ago

And?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.22  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.20    one month ago
Very manly of you

I thought gender neutral.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.23  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.17    one month ago

Okay, now that is reporting and acceptable. Now do you know how it fits into the narrative that Ramos shoots Grandma and enters an elementary school to maim and kill?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
1.1.24  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  CB @1.1.23    one month ago

She more than likely tried to stop him. You don't go unnoticed leaving a home with a couple of guns and wearing body armor.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
1.1.25  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.21    one month ago

And........... she was a druggie as said. Didn't need defending.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    one month ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.25    one month ago

She wasn't a druggie.  She was a human being

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
1.1.28  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.27    one month ago

A druggie human being. Even her own mother was disowning her and going to put her out of the house the mother owned.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.28    one month ago

Our fellow human beings

I see how easily you dismiss someone because she has an addiction

I guess her mother gave up on her and maybe her mother gave up on her - and the cycle goes on 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
1.1.30  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.29    one month ago

Virtue signaling aside, she is her own worst enemy. Perhaps Dr. Phil can help her out.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.31  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.30    one month ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.32  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.30    one month ago

Nice edit [Deleted]

[Whatever dude]

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
1.1.33  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.31    one month ago

It isn't lack of empathy. Ever hear the phrase "Tough Love"?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.34  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.33    one month ago

That's so profound.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.35  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.24    one month ago

Not that, this:

@1.1.14  After his drug user Mom kicked him out several months ago.
 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.36  CB   replied to  Tessylo @1.1.31    one month ago
After his drug user Mom kicked him out several months ago.

Tessylo, have you observed that a certain commenter leads the 'background' search on who has some diminishing aspect in these crises? Yes, that one does. It is a distraction from the gun debate, the shooting, and indirectly the children, teachers, and law enforcers who are dead or traumatized.

It's a ("smelly") red herring to chase those not directly affiliated with what dumb ass Ramos with a set of guns has wrought on society, to search out and destroy everybody, anybody else reputation farther.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.37  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @1.1.36    one month ago
some diminishing aspect in these crises?

Exactly, Salvador grew up:

- without a father in his life

- speech impediments

- experienced severe bullying

- fractured home life

- increasingly angry and isolated

- sliced his own face 'for fun'

- subject of homophobic slurs

- mocked for how he dressed

Why would anyone think that he needed a healthy relationship with his mother?

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
1.1.38  Gulliver  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.26    one month ago

Or, as in some cases, imposed by a minority.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.39  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.37    one month ago

Still does not lead into any open discussion about the mother's drug life as causal to his state of mind in this shooting, does it? Two things can be true and incidental. You have no reason to remark on the mother (at this point), beyond putting him away from her.

After all, you can't connect a background narrative to how depraved Trump is on any given day where you have reams of evidence and a life that is held up to the light on a daily basis, but here you are 'aptly' digging out the life of a poor woman standing in the shadows. There is something definitely wrong going on here.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.40  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @1.1.39    one month ago
Still does not lead into any open discussion about the mother's drug life as causal to his state of mind in this shooting, does it?

Ok, let's avoid any open discussion.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
1.1.41  Gulliver  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago

According to HuffPo:

Texas Shooting Onlookers Say Police Were 'Unprepared,' Didn't Go Into School

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.42  Tessylo  replied to  Gulliver @1.1.38    one month ago
"Or, as in some cases, imposed by a minority."

So true, like with today's republicans who are completely against any regulations whatsoever.  

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
1.1.43  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.42    one month ago
like with today's republicans who are completely against any regulations whatsoever. 

Name one republican and quote this person saying exactly what you accuse them of.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Freshman Guide
1.1.44  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gulliver @1.1.41    one month ago

So the huff po wants more trained good guys with more guns.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.45  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.13    one month ago

Well, there was the 73 million dollar lawsuit against Remington that got settled in February of this year. I'm sure a huge number of anti gun leftist liberals were positively thrilled over that.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.46  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.45    one month ago
I'm sure a huge number of anti gun leftist liberals were positively thrilled over that.

They don't like our manufacturing sector any more than our energy one.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.47  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  bugsy @1.1.43    one month ago

Don't expect a reasonable answer.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
1.1.48  bugsy  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.47    one month ago

Oh, I don't.

At best I'll get......"I don't answer to you"

If anything at all.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.49  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  bugsy @1.1.48    one month ago

Yep, that would de standard.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
1.1.50  Gulliver  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.44    one month ago

Or perhaps it is a lot to ask even trained police to follow a guy wearing body armor and carrying two assault rifles down a hallway.

So maybe something we should be looking into making it harder for civilians to buy AR15s?  Because even the good guys with the guns didn't sign up for certain suicide. It's not the first time the armed security guards were slow to engage during an active shooter situation. We can shame them all we want but it is what it is.

Is your solution to dress the fourth grade teachers in body armor and issue them AR15s? Good gals with guns and chalkboards?

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
1.1.51  Gulliver  replied to  bugsy @1.1.43    one month ago
Name one republican and quote this person saying exactly what you accuse them of.

The Senate.

The anti-democratic features of the US senate give disproportionate representation to a rural minority of Americans.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.52  Texan1211  replied to  Gulliver @1.1.51    one month ago
The anti-democratic features of the US senate give disproportionate representation to a rural minority of Americans.

Those damn Founding Fathers, eh?

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
1.1.53  Gulliver  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.52    one month ago

They didn't get everything right.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.54  Texan1211  replied to  Gulliver @1.1.53    one month ago
They didn't get everything right.

Heard a whole lot about what they got all wrong lately.

One thing for sure they got right, though.

A way to amend the Constitution.

A way to correct what later generations would deem wrong.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
1.1.55  Gulliver  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.54    one month ago
One thing for sure they got right, though. A way to amend the Constitution.

I think they blew it when they worded the Second Amendment and we would do ourselves a favor to give it a decent rewrite.

In the space of a single sentence they tried to strike a balance between between the militia being "well regulated" and people having "uninfringed" rights. It was just too cute and it has left us with a mess. People shouldn't have to feel like banning assault rifles is the camel's nose in the tent that leaves them unable to defend their property from intruders or themselves from wild animals or serial killers. Counties with vastly different realities should be able to have different ownership and carry standards.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.56  Texan1211  replied to  Gulliver @1.1.55    one month ago
I think they blew it when they worded the Second Amendment and we would do ourselves a favor to give it a decent rewrite.

Amend away!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.57  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gulliver @1.1.51    one month ago
The anti-democratic features of the US senate give disproportionate representation to a rural minority of Americans.

Damn that Connecticut Compromise.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.58  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gulliver @1.1.55    one month ago
I thinkI think they blew it when they worded the Second Amendment and we would do ourselves a favor to give it a decent rewrite. they blew it when they worded the Second Amendment and we would do ourselves a favor to give it a decent rewrite.

Please share with us the draft of your rewrite.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

The Uvalde Police Department said just after 1 p.m. that the assailant was in police custody.

Typical of the Times.  Don't even know what happened.

A Border Patrol agent who was working nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman , who was behind a barricade, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2    one month ago

Oh please, stuff it. Breaking news stories reported in real time often have to be corrected a little afterwards. Big fucking deal. They got the basic story correct. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
1.2.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.1    one month ago

I know - if we don't read "your" story, the others are wrong - got it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.2    one month ago

I said no such thing. You are complaining about the NYT story. All I want to know is why. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
1.2.4  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.3    one month ago

Didn't need to say it - your "thoughts" are in bold print - "I'M RIGHT - YOU'RE WRONG". 

Read 1.3 - truly - read 1.3.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.2    one month ago

Why ruin a good story with things like truth, facts, and logic that boggle the liberal mindset?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
1.3  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

Read the real news story John - you might actually learn something.

Gunman kills 18 children, 3 adults in Texas grade school

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
1.4  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago
Evidently no good guys wth guns were available for duty.

Evidently, yes

If there had been, the shooter likely would have been stopped much sooner. 

I think you were trying to be politically clever with your comment, but I don’t think you thought it through.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

Evidently your gun laws failed again.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

The headline is wrong.  He is not in custody and never was.  He was killed.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
1.6.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.6    one month ago

Did he just disappear after he got killed? If not, then he is in custody. Just dead in custody.

Just messing with ya

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
2  afrayedknot    one month ago

Another…another…another.

When does the time come, and how many children need die, before we hold every candidate for elected office to account? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  afrayedknot @2    one month ago

Your comment makes no sense

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
2.1.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    one month ago

It means, greg, that until we hold our elected officials accountable to address the carnage, we as an electorate are also accountable.

Just what is so hard to comprehend?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
2.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.1    one month ago

So your answer is even stricter gun laws which don't work, because killers and criminals ignore such laws and background checks

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
2.1.3  Snuffy  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.1    one month ago

What about holding accountable judges and district attorney's who release violent criminals on bail or in some cases with no bail only to have them kill somebody else?  

How about holding accountable district attorney's who allow plea deals to remove gun crimes, or who refuse to prosecute those who lie on their ATF form 4473?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
2.1.4  afrayedknot  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.3    one month ago

“What about…”

Fuck that whole line of reasoning…for it is not reasoning, it is but self-serving platitudinous pandering. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.1    one month ago
Just what is so hard to comprehend?

What law would have prevented this while remaining constitutional?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.4    one month ago
Fuck that whole line of reasoning

Replace it.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.1.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.6    one month ago

He cannot.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @2    one month ago
before we hold every candidate for elected office to account? 

What laws do you want to see passed?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.3  CB   replied to  afrayedknot @2    one month ago

I am numb to this. That is, I will keep my tears to myself. This IS who this country is. In 'Dodge City'  I and everyone I love is a 597Duck-with-Target.jpg Now on with the "collecting of the dead, the funerals, and the long winding speeches.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

15 dead, 14 kids and a teacher. 

 
 
 
shona1
Junior Participates
3.1  shona1  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one month ago

Heart breaking...🥀🥀🥀

It's just gone 7am here and that dreadful news is headlines once again...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.1  CB   replied to  shona1 @3.1    one month ago

Wow! You all see us . . . for the stupid and weak shmucks we are. I won't ask you and you need not share what Australia says about us and this.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  shona1 @3.1    one month ago

It's the headline news in both Canada and China as well.  The whole world is watching, and  I don't think the whole world can understand that nothing of any consequence is being done about mass shootings and gun violence in general in the world's "EXCEPTIONAL" NUMBER ONE NATION. 

 
 
 
shona1
Junior Participates
3.1.3  shona1  replied to  CB @3.1.1    one month ago

Anoon CB..shock, sadness, sympathy, it's happened again, loss on how anyone can try and stop it... devastation for the families of the lost souls who have been taken before their time...🥀🥀🥀

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.4  CB   replied to  shona1 @3.1.3    one month ago

Oh this nation is smart enough to stop it. It just won't. You see how opportunity presented itself in the death of Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Justice of SCOTUS and with a majority, conservatives are setting themselves a course of female freedoms, liberties, and privileges just as soon as the abortion opinion striking down abortion federally is lifted! They can start/stop a great deal. . .with democratic party numbers in assent if they want to- they don't want to fix a dang gun thing. We're just "peachy." Don't waste tears over us.

I am done shedding tears over any more gun deaths in my stupid country. It's our just desserts! And, the whole country is now guilty for the murder of its innocents (once again). Wonder how this will look in print and how conservatives plan to hide it from school text books! :)

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
3.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.2    one month ago
The whole world is watching

At least, since it happened in America, the whole world can watch.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.1.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.5    one month ago

Since that's so, then maybe America should try a little harder to be more of a good example for the rest of the world.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
3.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.6    one month ago

We should all try to set good examples - not just because anyone is watching, but because it’s the right thing to do.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
3.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @3.1.4    one month ago
It's our just desserts!

Chickens come home to roost.  

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
3.1.9  Gulliver  replied to  CB @3.1.4    one month ago
Oh this nation is smart enough to stop it. It just won't.

Don't lump us all together.

The people who get off on guns and the death and fear we all must endure for their 2nd Amendment boners have the rest of us at their mercy.

The people who would not get vaccinated and won't wear masks have us all at their mercy as Covid continues to kill.

These assholes have the upper hand and they are ascendant.

We are not all equally culpable.

And I can only be so polite about it.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
3.1.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gulliver @3.1.9    one month ago
The people who get off on guns and the death and fear

Like Salvador?

we all must endure for their 2nd Amendment boners have the rest of us at their mercy.

2nd Amendment boners?

The people who would not get vaccinated and won't wear masks have us all at their mercy as Covid continues to kill.

A Latino, macho thing?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.1.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gulliver @3.1.9    one month ago

But freedom and personal rights....are not to be restrained no matter what the consequences.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
3.1.12  Gulliver  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.11    one month ago

I'm not familiar enough with you to know whether you are being serious or sarcastic.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
3.1.13  Gulliver  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.10    one month ago
Like Salvador?

Yeah, like Salvador.

Make America Salvador Again.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.1.4    one month ago
I am done shedding tears over any more gun deaths in my stupid country. It's our just desserts! And, the whole country is now guilty for the murder of its innocents (once again). Wonder how this will look in print and how conservatives plan to hide it from school text books!

Was that supposed to be a Kumbaya moment?

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
3.1.15  Gulliver  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.14    one month ago

People are angry and not in the mood to hold hands with people who facilitate mass death.

MAGA with a not so quiet dash of Q is the movement of pandemic death, Ukraine genocide, mass shootings, and violent insurrection.

To hell with Kumbaya.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Gulliver @3.1.15    one month ago
MAGA with a not so quiet dash of Q is the movement of pandemic death, Ukraine genocide, mass shootings, and violent insurrection.

Interesting fantasy, should we explore it further?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.1.17  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gulliver @3.1.12    one month ago

Read my member profile page. 

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
3.1.18  Gulliver  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.17    one month ago

I did but I could easily project a conservative onto that profile as I could a progressive or liberal.

OTOH, you are Canadian and gun nuts tend to be Americans.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
3.1.19  Gulliver  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.17    one month ago

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Gulliver
Freshman Guide
3.1.20  Gulliver  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.16    one month ago

You mean Q?

I had suspected you were a fan.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.1.21  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gulliver @3.1.19    one month ago
"I could easily project a conservative onto that profile as I could a progressive or liberal."

There is a reason for that. Think of me as being more centrist and independent than most members here.  I can lean in any direction depending on my own personal feelings and beliefs and have made enemies here both liberal and conservative because of it. 

And, for the record, it was sarcastic.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  Gulliver @3.1.20    one month ago
You mean Q?

No, your whole post.

I had suspected you were a fan.

Your suspicions are baseless and wrong then.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.23  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.16    one month ago

It would be a waste of time.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
3.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one month ago

Two dead teachers and that little pos also shot his grandmother in the face.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
3.2.1  Gulliver  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.2    one month ago

And 19 children.

He didn't even have the guts to shoot up his HS. I mean it was his HS where he experienced bullying and then he goes and slaughters second graders at an elementary school..

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
3.2.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gulliver @3.2.1    one month ago
then he goes and slaughters second graders at an elementary school..

Fourth graders.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
3.2.4  Gulliver  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.3    one month ago

That changes everything.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
3.2.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gulliver @3.2.4    one month ago

Thought that you would want to be accurate.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
3.2.6  Gulliver  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.5    one month ago

Yes, actually. Thanks. Someone I was talking to IRL said" a room full of second graders. do you know how small a second grader is?" and it stuck with me.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

All gun lovers need to look in the mirror. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one month ago

Why is that John?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    one month ago

7, 8 and 9 year olds in that school. None older. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    one month ago
Why is that John?

The love of guns is what causes these things. Most mass shooters are fascinated by guns. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    one month ago

Is that part of the FBI profile?

Most mass shooters are make, and either single at the time of shooting, or divorced or separated.  [Deleted.  Completely uncalled for.]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.1.3    one month ago

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Drakkonis
PhD Guide
4.1.6  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    one month ago
The love of guns is what causes these things. Most mass shooters are fascinated by guns.

False narratives such as this is what perpetuates these things, John. When progressives take away the solid ground no society can exist without you're going to see things like this. How, exactly, is anyone supposed to know what's right or wrong when progressives say there is no right or wrong but, rather, one's own truth? Welcome to diversity, John. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.6    one month ago

Someone just said on tv that America has 4 % of the world's population and 42% of its privately owned guns. 

Does that sound like a good idea to you? 

More guns do NOT make the society more safe. America has proven that over and over and over again. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.7    one month ago

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1stwarrior
Professor Guide
4.1.9  1stwarrior  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.1.8    one month ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.10  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @4.1.9    one month ago

get lost

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
4.1.11  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.10    one month ago

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Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.1.12  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @4.1.9    one month ago

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CB
Professor Principal
4.1.13  CB   replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.6    one month ago

You won't respond to me and in this case I am glad of that. Diversity is what this country wrought. Only a bunch of stupid people would demonize diversity and choose to 'prefer' guns over godly, good, and innocent men, women, and children. Some of those dead children littering our nation's tragic gun catalog are highly likely god's 'own' seeing that Texas, Florida, and Alabama, and Mississippi are on the long list.

But do not bother with a response to a liberal Christian, because as you have told me often enough I am part of the problem with this country.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.1.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @4.1.13    one month ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.1.8    one month ago

Here's a thought. Answer your own questions. 

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Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.1.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.15    one month ago
Answer your own questions. 

I did, a week ago after Buffalo,

My modest proposal was:

I don't have the quick, short, single solutions like you do.  I wouldn't overstate the problem either.  Mass shootings as compared to US shootings are still rare, accounting for maybe 1% of deaths from firearm violence.  What can be done might include:
  • Improved, comprehensive background checks prior to firearm sales
  • Restraining orders with court ordered firearm confiscation for a defined period of time 
  • Better mental health services with court ordered intervention in some cases
  • Improved firearm security to prevent children from access and prosecution of careless firearm owners

The one that asked me for this never replied.

I know that your proposal is to shame shooters.  How?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.1.16    one month ago

To all involved: Thread clean up again. I'm going to start giving out big points

 
 
 
Drakkonis
PhD Guide
4.1.18  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.7    one month ago

John. Suppose we eliminate every last privately owned gun in America. And, instead of shooting people, people started stabbing people to death with knives. So, we eliminate all the knives. Now they switch to hammers and beat people to death. Eliminate hammers. Mow down a bunch of people with your car? Eliminate cars. At what point are you going to stop and wonder, maybe it's people and not the tools they use, that just might be the problem? 

At what point are you going to say, "maybe diversity isn't the best idea?" That teaching kids in school that their "feelings" aren't the arbiter of what is true and what isn't? That promoting racist ideas like 'reparations' and that a given portion of society is defined by their skin color aren't conductive to a healthy society? 

At what point are you going to wonder that maybe there's a standard that applies to everyone and that perhaps the best idea is to raise society on those principles? Nah. That's crazy. 
 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.19  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.18    one month ago
Suppose we eliminate every last privately owned gun in America. And, instead of shooting people, people started stabbing people to death with knives.

It would be monumentally rare for someone to kill 20 people by stabbing them to death. It's kind of difficult, just from the fact that while you were stabbing one the others would run away. Most can outrun a knife. No one can out run a bullet. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.1.20  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.17    one month ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.21  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.19    one month ago

Yeah, knives are bad examples.   A better example is a bomb or a vehicle.   An even better example (but horrible) is biological contamination.   As time progresses, effective methods (even better than guns) become more accessible to ordinary nutcases.

The problem, ultimately, are the nutcases.   Nutcases who seek to mass murder will find a method to do so.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.22  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.21    one month ago
  As time progresses, effective methods (even better than guns) become more accessible to ordinary nutcases.

There is no better method than guns in a gun love culture. 

Do you seriously believe this 18 year old would have planted a bomb in a 4th grade class ? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.1.23  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.22    one month ago
There is no better method than guns in a gun love culture. 

We have gun lovers and ammophobes.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.24  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.18    one month ago
At what point are you going to say, "maybe diversity isn't the best idea?" That teaching kids in school that their "feelings" aren't the arbiter of what is true and what isn't? That promoting racist ideas like 'reparations' and that a given portion of society is defined by their skin color aren't conductive to a healthy society? 

People of color did not define themselves by their skin color, the dominant white society did. If you dont understand that it calls your whole perspective into question. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.1.25  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.24    one month ago
People of color did not define themselves by their skin color,

How do most self-identify?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.26  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.22    one month ago
Do you seriously believe this 18 year old would have planted a bomb in a 4th grade class ? 

I have no evidence that would lead me to believe what this nutcase would have done if he did not have access to guns.   But I do have evidence that leads me to believe that this nutcase intended to murder kids.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.27  CB   replied to  TᵢG @4.1.21    one month ago

But Congress. Busy busting each others 'chops' and having internal 'squirmishes' and 'wars.'

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.28  CB   replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.18    one month ago
At what point are you going to say, "maybe diversity isn't the best idea?" That teaching kids in school that their "feelings" aren't the arbiter of what is true and what isn't? That promoting racist ideas like 'reparations' and that a given portion of society is defined by their skin color aren't conductive to a healthy society?

I condemn this comment on its face.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
PhD Guide
4.1.29  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.19    one month ago
It would be monumentally rare for someone to kill 20 people by stabbing them to death. It's kind of difficult, just from the fact that while you were stabbing one the others would run away. Most can outrun a knife. No one can out run a bullet.

I see. Then, it isn't the deaths, per se, that bothers you but, rather, the method. You're okay with just a few deaths as long as it isn't by guns? What, exactly, would be the threshold for you, John? Let's see. Mass shootings are categorized as four or more victims, if I recall correctly. So, if someone manages only three with a knife, no problem? 

You see, or more likely, you don't, taking away the guns doesn't do a damn thing for the problem. What is making people do these things? But you don't seem to care. Just take the guns and, problem solved. Right? 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
PhD Guide
4.1.30  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.24    one month ago
People of color did not define themselves by their skin color, the dominant white society did. If you dont understand that it calls your whole perspective into question.

You're speaking in past tense, John. How about speaking in present tense? If you do that, your argument fails miserably. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
PhD Guide
4.1.31  Drakkonis  replied to  CB @4.1.28    one month ago
I condemn this comment on its face.

Of course you do. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
4.1.32  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.22    one month ago

Ever heard of a pipe bomb. They don't need to be planted- just lite the fuse and it will explode. 

More creative people can come up with even better bombs. Internet is a great thing, even for wackos, to find out new and fascinating things- like how to build a better bomb.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
4.1.33  Snuffy  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.32    one month ago

Yep - still the record I think for school killings

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.34  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.29    one month ago

You are talking complete nonsense. Mass killers dont want to use knives. If they wanted to use knives they would use knives. There is a thrill they find in spraying high velocity bullets into a group of people. 

Guess who's on your side in all this Drakkonis?  Does this make you proud?

Marjorie Taylor Greene takes pro-gun stance following Texas school shooting: 'We don't need more gun control. We need to return to God.'

Thats pretty much exactly what you said elsewhere on this seed. 

She added that she thought the US is "failing our youngest generations from decades of rejecting good moral values and teachings."  "We don't need more gun control," Greene wrote. "We need to return to God." 

You are aligned with Marjorie Taylor Greene. Congratulations. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.35  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.30    one month ago
You're speaking in past tense, John.

LOL. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.36  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.32    one month ago

These killers dont want to use pipe bombs on schools. Keep your imagination flowing though. 

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
4.1.37  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.21    one month ago

Well, if nutcases are the ultimate problem, why do we seem to have a disproportionate share of nutcases here in the US?

Is it the water? Too much sugar? Not enough corporal punishment? 

If all it takes is a nutcase and not a nutcase with a gun, why do the nutcases with guns seem to keep popping up in my newsfeed? They Kill people...

Murderous intent without a means to complete the crime is simply wishful thinking on a madman's part.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
4.1.38  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.18    one month ago

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Standing O

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.39  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.38    one month ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
4.1.40  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.39    one month ago

Did you read it? Or just stalking and trolling me...................again?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
4.1.41  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.40    one month ago

OOH OOH OOH I know the answer!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.42  TᵢG  replied to  Thomas @4.1.37    one month ago
Well, if nutcases are the ultimate problem, why do we seem to have a disproportionate share of nutcases here in the US?

Good question.   What causes someone to decide to mass murder others?   Do they find a gun and decide that it should not be wasted?  

Murderous intent without a means to complete the crime is simply wishful thinking on a madman's part.

As I noted earlier, someone with murderous intent could easily produce a small bomb.   The could alternatively run their car into the playground, set fire to the building or poison the water.    If someone wants to kill a bunch of kids (as an example) there are plenty of ways of doing it other than using guns.

Maybe guns are more satisfying?    Hard to say since I am not a nutcase.

Who knows, maybe if modern games were not focused on guns we would see fewer people who are apparently desensitized to murdering people with guns.

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
4.1.43  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.42    one month ago

Thanks for replying!

What causes someone to decide to mass murder others?

I don't know. I think that part of the reason is muzzle flash. Maybe it's just the act of doing something physically makes them feel (somewhat paradoxically) powerful. 

I think that we need to look at society and what is being taught by (or, it might be better stated, learned from) the examples set by parents and cultural role models.

  • How does one resolve a conflict?
  • How do the people around one resolve conflicts?
  • How does one talk to someone who does not agree with them? Calmly? Brusquely? Not at all?
  • How does one relate to authority figures? 

But really, I think that the answer that nobody wants to propose is restricting the availability of guns in general. Yes, someone can build a bomb, but I really do not think it as likely or as easy as getting a gun. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.44  TᵢG  replied to  Thomas @4.1.43    one month ago
But really, I think that the answer that nobody wants to propose is restricting the availability of guns in general. Yes, someone can build a bomb, but I really do not think it as likely or as easy as getting a gun. 

There are too many guns in circulation.   So the problem of someone illegally getting a gun is rather big.   In this case, however, the guns were legally purchased.   That is something we can address.   And, as I have suggested, I think mandatory certification by a licensed organization (whose license is affected by the behavior of those they certify) and personal sponsorship by a licensed gun-owner (to systemically involve real human beings who know the candidate) are examples of measures we could indeed implement.

Thanks for replying!

If I have not replied to prior comments from you that is simply an oversight on my part ... absolutely NOT intentional.   jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Drakkonis
PhD Guide
4.1.45  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.34    one month ago
You are aligned with Marjorie Taylor Greene. Congratulations. 

Actually, considering the quote, I do agree with her on this particular subject. We've already got gun control up the wazoo. What we need to do is enforce the laws we've already got, stop letting people out on bond who violate them and prosecute them instead. Also, it's hardly a secret that I think that, as a society, we'd do well to return to God. I think nothing would do more to stop these shootings than returning to God.

As to being aligned with her, what you're actually attempting to do is rather infantile. Essentially, "You don't want to be associated with her, do you? So you'd better change your tune to one more acceptable to me or I'm going to smear you with that association." 

Another way in which this is infantile is that it sets up Greene as some sort of ultimate boogyman, or woman in this case. Greene said it so whatever it was she said must be wrong because we all know she's a nut case. Responding to anything someone you don't like in such a fashion is the practice of small children, not adults, so pardon me if I'm not bothered by your comment about alignment.   

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.1.46  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    one month ago

I think he was trying to sound profound. It did not work.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.47  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.44    one month ago

I like your ideas. I've thought that mandatory insurance would be a good thing for gun owners.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.48  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.40    one month ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.49  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @4.1.43    one month ago

Why the hell would someone build a goddamned bomb when guns are so readily available thanks to republicans?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.1.50  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.49    one month ago
Why the hell would someone build a goddamned bomb 

  • Harder to get caught
  • Postal delivery 
  • Kill more at same time
 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
4.1.51  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.49    one month ago
when guns are so readily available thanks to republicans?

Democrats For Guns – Responsible Safe Firearms Laws

We believe...

  1. We believe in the 2nd amendment.
  2. We believe criminals and psychologically impaired should not have weapons.
  3. We believe in thorough background checks and psychological evaluations prior to purchase.
  4. We believe in our right to defend ourselves and families in the face of imminent danger.
  5. We believe and hope that we’ll never have to use them against another human being.
  6. We believe guns are a necessary tool, not a source of politicization or bravado.
  7. We believe guns should never be banned, confiscated, mandatory buy-backed, or their purchase prevented to good American citizens who have passed background and psychological checks.

We do not believe...

  1. We do not believe in “assault weapons ban” legislation since Class III assault weapons are already regulated.
  2. We do not believe in legislation that attempts to regulate semi-automatic weapon cosmetics or ammunition capacity.
  3. We do not believe in NFA tax stamp increases that further divide poor and wealthy qualified Americans from owning firearms.
 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
4.1.52  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.48    one month ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.53  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.47    one month ago

What is your idea ... what does the insurance cover?

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
4.1.54  charger 383  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @4.1.51    one month ago

I can support that but not sure of  psychological checks. What does that mean? 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.1.55  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.49    one month ago

Nothing like going for the sweeping generalization.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
4.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one month ago
All gun lovers need to look in the mirror. 

Something like 100 million gun owners managed to not commit murder today. They have nothing to be ashamed of.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.3.1  JBB  replied to  Tacos! @4.3    one month ago

Who is responsible for blocking responsible gun laws? Why don't we taking guns away from all the mental patients and drug addicts and domestic abusers who should not have the guns they do? Can't we do anything?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @4.3.1    one month ago
"Who is responsible for blocking responsible gun laws? Why don't we taking guns away from all the mental patients and drug addicts and domestic abusers who should not have the guns they do?"

It's always the 'right' and it is mostly those influenced by them that carry out these mass shootings.  Just look at Buffalo as one example of many.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.2    one month ago
It's always the 'right' and it is mostly those influenced by them that carry out these mass shootings.

Is that in the FBI profile of mass shooters?  Was Salvador Ramos part of the 'right'?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.3    one month ago
"Is that in the FBI profile of mass shooters?"

Yes

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.4    one month ago

Please cite your source.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
4.3.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.5    one month ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.2    one month ago
It's always the 'right' and it is mostly those influenced by them that carry out these mass shootings.

What does the 'right' have to do with a Hispanic kid shooting Hispanic kids in school? 

It is more likely that Salvador Ramos was socially isolated, may have had a mental illness, and experienced  trauma growing up.

His motives was likely nonpolitical. He probably didn't describe himself as having a particular political motivation.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
4.3.8  Snuffy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.7    one month ago

Too many people confuse partisanship with logic.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.3.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.2    one month ago

Steve Kerr, who last night demanded new gun laws to keep kids safe, protested to demand the removal of all armed police from schools two years go.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
4.3.10  Tacos!  replied to  JBB @4.3.1    one month ago
Who is responsible for blocking responsible gun laws?

Politicians and lobbyists, not regular people. You can say they should vote for different people, but voters cast a ballot for many reasons, and they can’t control every little thing a politician does once they’re in office.

Responsible gun laws actually have wide, bipartisan support among regular people (even gun owners), but most proposed gun laws are not responsible and don’t address actual problems. They tend to be high on posturing, but low on real-life impact.

Why don't we taking guns away from all the mental patients and drug addicts and domestic abusers who should not have the guns they do?

We actually have laws that do a lot of this. For example, we have had the Lautenberg Amendment for 25 years. Under that federal law, a person convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence (though weirdly only misdemeanors) loses their gun ownership rights for life - and that includes just transporting a gun. Many state and local jurisdictions have similar or more severe laws like this.

Lunatics often manage to find weapons in spite of existing law.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.3.11  CB   replied to  Tacos! @4.3.10    one month ago

So since lunatics are clever and devious and able to exploit loopholes like mouse and snakes can squeeze into the narrowest of places, eventually it becomes the power of the gun that needs control. But, I digress, because it ain't going to happen yet. This nation still has an insufferable paranoid component of people who think that the Other is winning and it must be ready to use overwhelming power accordingly. Thus, our country is "gun ready.'

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.12  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.3.9    one month ago

So?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

Gun rights advocates have offered their thoughts and prayers. /s.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
5.1  afrayedknot  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one month ago

Time to holster that and pull the trigger on finally addressing our national disgrace. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  afrayedknot @5.1    one month ago

You mean Joe Biden and the Democrat Party?

All for it. 

Leave it to those jackasses to politicize this tragedy w/o having any facts.

Midterms can't get here quick enough to start the process.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.2  JBB  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.1    one month ago

original

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @5.1.2    one month ago

The author knows little about the American voter or wolves.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
5.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.3    one month ago

Not to mention the left using it in reaction to a what if scenario.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.5  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.4    one month ago

Yeah, what if the woman and educators and the decent people left in America have finally had enough of mass murders in America?

original

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.7  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.3    one month ago

original

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @5.1.5    one month ago
what if the woman and educators and the decent people left in America have finally had enough of mass murders in America?

Why see woman and educators as separate from decent people?  I think that they had enough years ago.  The harder question is what to do about it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
5.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @5.1.5    one month ago
what if the woman and educators and the decent people left in America have finally had enough of mass murders in America?

Then they should step up and do something about it aside from blaming an inanimate object.  Stop going bat shit stupid over what if scenarios.   

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1.10  bugsy  replied to  JBB @5.1.5    one month ago
what if the woman and educators and the decent people left in America have finally had enough of mass murders in America?

Then maybe they need to direct their attention to democrat run cities and states where most of them occur.....mostly black on black.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @5.1.10    one month ago
"what if the woman and educators and the decent people left in America have finally had enough of mass murders in America?"
"Then maybe they need to direct their attention to democrat run cities and states where most of them occur.....mostly black on black."

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Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.1.12  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.11    one month ago

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bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1.13  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.11    one month ago
What took so long for the dog whistle?

Once again....

You being the only one that can hear it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.12    one month ago

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CB
Professor Principal
5.1.15  CB   replied to  bugsy @5.1.10    one month ago

Black on Black crime did not occur in Texas. So what is your point for bringing it up?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.1.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.14    one month ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  CB @5.1.15    one month ago

The usual dog whistle.  I'm just wondering what took him so long.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.16    one month ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.1.19  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.18    one month ago

How do you confuse an insult with a defense?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one month ago

Are we going to have to listen to the craven Republican politicians again say that this is not the right time to discuss what needs to be done to remedy this terrible problem?

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
5.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Gsquared @5.2    one month ago

How is that any different that Democrat politicians who spout off with ideas that won't make much difference in how the world works?  I agree that something needs to be done but it's always the same actions from each side, the Democrats want to ban "assault" rifles and the Republicans don't want to infringe on the rights of the millions of lawful citizens who also own guns.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.2  Gsquared  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.1    one month ago
How is that any different

The Democratic politicians want to find solutions.   The Republican politicians send thoughts and prayers.

It's a huge difference.

it's always the same actions from each side

No, one side believe in taking no action.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
5.2.3  Snuffy  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.2    one month ago

What solutions have Democrat politicians presented outside of banning "assault" rifles or the expansion from a few to ban all guns?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.3    one month ago

What you just said is utter nonsense. Democrats and others have offered many proposals that do not involve banning all guns. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
5.2.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.2    one month ago
he Democratic politicians want to find solutions.   The Republican politicians send thoughts and prayers.

And with that I'll be logging off. 

The immediate politicizing of a tragedy is sickening.  

When your fist instinct when finding about the murder of kids is to get online and attack Republicans......

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
5.2.6  afrayedknot  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.1    one month ago

“…it's always the same…”

So families will bury their children, lives forever shattered, and the apologists will have their say thinking nothing of the human costs, for if they had an ounce of compassion, they would at the very least acknowledge those that suffer in their tone deaf polemics. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.7  Gsquared  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.3    one month ago

Universal background checks and limiting magazine capacity, to list two.

Name one Democratic politician who has called for banning all guns.

Name one Republican politician who has proposed any solution at all.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.8  Gsquared  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.5    one month ago

My first instinct is set forth in my Comment 7, below, which is the first comment I wrote on this seed.

Your first instinct was to engage in an unfounded personal attack.  How typical of you.

Bye

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.5    one month ago
And with that I'll be logging off. 

Leave your thoughts and prayers behind as you leave. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
5.2.10  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.4    one month ago

Bullshit.  Democrats continue to push for banning assault weapons so as to give the appearance of doing something, but that ban didn't do much the first time it was enacted.  

If Democrats want to do something, then it's high time they actually come up with some bi-partisan legislation that will have traction from both sides of the aisle or it's the usual partisan deflection.  You want to do something, put some teeth behind the reporting requirements to the NICS system to help reduce the possibility of someone buying a gun who should not have one.  You want to do something, help stop judges and district attorneys from plea bargaining away gun crime and to stop releasing violent criminals to the streets.  You want to do something, let's work on fixing the laws around mental health so that those who need the help can get the help, and stop hiding it all behind HIPPA rules.

Hell, the only suggestion that came out of the Democrats after the Buffalo shooting was to re-pass the assault weapons ban bill.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
5.2.11  Snuffy  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.7    one month ago
Universal background checks and limiting magazine capacity, to list two.

Universal background checks allow the federal government to get involved in intra-state commerce, something they are forbidden to do.  Concern about typical government creep should cause concern for all people here, once the feds are involved in intra-state commerce what do they take on next?  Magazine capacity has been banned in some states, hasn't make that big of a difference.

Name one Democratic politician who has called for banning all guns.

Maxine Waters 

Name one Republican politician who has proposed any solution at all.

Steve Scalise

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
5.2.12  Greg Jones  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.2    one month ago

"The Democratic politicians want to find solutions."  

The gun grabber Dems want registration followed by confiscation

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.4    one month ago

That's their go to nonsense.  I'm so sick of the both siders nonsense when this is so much a problem on the right

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.9    one month ago
Leave your thoughts and prayers behind as you leave. 

does that apply to biden. too?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.15  Gsquared  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.11    one month ago
Maxine Waters 

Link?

Steve Scalise

Link?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.13    one month ago
when this is so much a problem on the right

Salvador Ramos, right wing, white supremacist.   

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.17  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gsquared @5.2    one month ago
Are we going to have to listen to the craven Republican politicians again say that this is not the right time to discuss what needs to be done to remedy this terrible problem?

What remedy will Joe Biden propose?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.18  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.4    one month ago
Democrats and others have offered many proposals that do not involve banning all guns.

What do you propose?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.19  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.18    one month ago
What do you propose?

Banning trolls. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.20  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.19    one month ago

So nothing constructive, no surprise there.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.21  Gsquared  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.17    one month ago

I don't answer for Biden.   He has made proposals in the past, and he will probably have some in the future.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
5.2.22  Greg Jones  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.16    one month ago

Also killed his grandmother.

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Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.23  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.21    one month ago

He should send a draft bill to the Hill.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Freshman Guide
5.2.24  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.13    one month ago

Name one problem on the left.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2.25  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.3    one month ago

Said Democrat politicians do not even know the difference between a assault weapon and a assault rifle. To them, any semi automatic rifle constitutes a assault rifle.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.26  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.2.25    one month ago

How many other first world countries have a couple mass shootings in schools or churchs or grocery stores or restaurants every month? 

All "conservatives" can do is whine about their gun rights. It is here on this very seed.  It's disgusting. 

There are 400 million guns in this country, and there is no way they can all be taken out of circulation even if we wanted to. Either the gun love culture changes or we will have these massacres over and over again. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.27  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.26    one month ago
All "conservatives" can do is whine about their gun rights. It is here on this very seed.  It's disgusting. 

All you can do is whine about conservatives whining.  It’s disgusting.  Man up and make a proposal.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.28  CB   replied to  Gsquared @5.2    one month ago

Yes. Listen up: Mitch McConnell is somewhere right now busy 'warbling.'  And Kevin McCarthy is ducking a question somewheres as he dials in a Trump 'response.'

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.29  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @5.2.28    one month ago

What is Joe Biden proposing?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.30  CB   replied to  Gsquared @5.2.2    one month ago

He is doing a whataboutism in an attempt to dilute the discussion. It's a specious argument, meant to redirect the discussion away from outrage, despair, and how blatantly ridiculous we are as a country that wants to dominate the world but can't rule over gun power. Can't stop shooting itself in the ass. And now guns kill children and not enough people give a damn apparently.

'Tons' of talking heads on television talking about. . .guns.'

Maybe, somebody could write a hit song about it:

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
5.2.31  1stwarrior  replied to  CB @5.2.28    one month ago

Why are you even posting?  None of your "sentence" deals with the subject.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.32  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.4    one month ago

It's a waste of time. All meant to take your attention away from the sorrow of loss. It all goes like some morbid 'recipe for mass murder disaster.' Here is what you do: (1.) ....

Don't give them the satisfaction, please.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
5.2.33  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.26    one month ago

Alright John - you do a lot of bitch'n/moan'n but you NEVER - repeat - NEVER offer any type of positive solution.

Quit complaining and start doing something.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.34  CB   replied to  1stwarrior @5.2.31    one month ago

Don't worry about it. Take your emotion and attention off me. Look around somewhere else as usual.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.35  CB   replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.5    one month ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif Bye. See you later.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.36  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @5.2.30    one month ago
He is doing a whataboutism in an attempt to dilute the discussion

What are you doing to strengthen the conversation?

One week ago you asked:

What do you think that we should do?

I answered:

I don't have the quick, short, single solutions like you do.  I wouldn't overstate the problem either.  Mass shootings as compared to US shootings are still rare, accounting for maybe 1% of deaths from firearm violence.  What can be done might include:

  • Improved, comprehensive background checks prior to firearm sales
  • Restraining orders with court ordered firearm confiscation for a defined period of time 
  • Better mental health services with court ordered intervention in some cases
  • Improved firearm security to prevent children from access and prosecution of careless firearm owners

You never replied or provided your own thoughts.  Are you unable to have a discussion on this topic?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.37  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @5.2.33    one month ago

I have already said what my solution is. We have a culture of gun love in this country. That gun love culture is why people like this 18 year old kid think it is a good idea to shoot up a school. We as a people need to destroy this gun love culture. No other country on earth that is a first world democracy has this sort of random gun violence. 

Why does it happen here , and so often?  Because we have a culture that encourages people to think that guns will solve their problems. The horrible truth is there is no legislation that can stop this now. We have let it go too far. There are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation, and they are not going out of circulation anytime soon. 

My solution , which I heard Michael Moore say a few minutes ago and I agree with, is that we treat guns like the "cigarettes " of the 21st century. Cigarettes are not illegal and yet we were able to lower cigarette use drastically through societal condemnation. Gun love should meet the same fate. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Freshman Guide
5.2.38  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @5.2    one month ago

Are we going to have to listen to the craven Republican politicians.

If you change the batteries in your remote you can turn your TV off and not listen to anything you don't want to.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.39  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.37    one month ago
I have already said what my solution is.

I'm sure that it is worth repeating.

We as a people need to destroy this gun love culture.

Do you have a proposal or just a shout for them to get off of your lawn?

Cigarettes are not illegal and yet we were able to lower cigarette use drastically through societal condemnation.

Exactly, I quit, many quit but today's smokers didn't.  Do you think that shooters give a shit about your condemnation?

 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
5.2.40  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.37    one month ago
Why does it happen here , and so often? 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.41  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.37    one month ago

I heard the same comment by Michael.Moore about making guns the cigarettes of the 21st century.  He is so right.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.42  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.39    one month ago

It would not be done overnight, but we could make the use of guns other than for hunting and competitive shooting socially verboten. 

In the meantime we have to suffer through your snark and trolling on an article about the death of 18 children. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.43  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.42    one month ago
but we could make the use of guns other than for hunting and competitive shooting socially verboten.

I never used a gun for anything else except when I was in Kuwait.

In the meantime we have to suffer through your snark and trolling on an article about the death of 18 children. 

If that's true, you have no idea what real suffering is.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.44  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.41    one month ago
He is so right.

Michael is a man before his time.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.45  Gsquared  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.11    one month ago
Universal background checks allow the federal government to get involved in intra-state commerce

More guns sales likely result from inter-state commerce rather than intra-state commerce.  If somehow intra-state commerce becomes an issue, which I don't believe it is, state laws could provide a work around.

Magazine capacity has been banned in some states, hasn't make that big of a difference.

I don't accept that limiting magazine capacity isn't beneficial.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.46  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.36    one month ago

When you get something passable in the states and congress (you know those obstructors on the right you plow here daily) let me in on that please. Otherwise, I am unmoved by your 'displays.'

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.47  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.44    one month ago

Do you ever think before you type or do you just insist on inflicting everyone with your stream of consciousness ? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.48  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.45    one month ago
More guns sales likely result from inter-state commerce rather than intra-state commerce.  If somehow intra-state commerce becomes an issue, state laws could provide a work around.

Huh?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.49  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.47    one month ago
Do you ever think before you type or do you just insist on inflicting everyone with your stream of consciousness ? 

I'm sorry that you feel inflicted.  I know that you are angry and frustrated by this, but I don't know what specifically you want the President and Congress to do.

 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
5.2.50  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.42    one month ago

Says the seeder that applied partisan politics to this story before even politicians did……

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.51  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @5.2.46    one month ago
When you get something passable in the states and congress

When I?  Are you remaining a bystander?

(you know those obstructors on the right you plow here daily)

I plow?

Otherwise, I am unmoved by your 'displays.'

I provided a few proposals, sorry that they didn't move you.  I'm unmoved by your lack of any proposals.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.52  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @5.2.50    one month ago

Were there any good guys with guns there when the shooting started and why couldnt they prevent it? 

Why do you call that a political statement? 

The rationale, or one of them , for so many guns is that they are needed to prevent things like what happened today. has that plan worked? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.53  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.52    one month ago
Were there any good guys with guns there when the shooting started and why couldnt they prevent it? 

Many schools don't want cops or teachers armed on campus.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.54  Gsquared  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.48    one month ago
Huh?

This is just part of the story:

Aside from the illegal market, guns are often manufactured in one state and legally transported across state lines for sale in another state.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.55  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.54    one month ago

So what do you want the federal government to do?

 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
5.2.56  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.52    one month ago
Why do you call that a political statement? 

Your comments speak for themselves.

The rationale, or one of them , for so many guns is that they are needed to prevent things like what happened today. has that plan worked?

I’m not sure why they didn’t participate, perhaps because it’s such a small town and they didn’t anticipate anything like that ever happening.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2.57  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.27    one month ago

Bingo!

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.58  Gsquared  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.55    one month ago
what do you want the federal government to do?

Everything possible.

Universal background checks, limiting magazine capacity and reinstating the assault weapons ban would be a good start. 

Does an 18 year old, or for that matter any civilian, who isn't in the military need a weapon of war?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.59  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.58    one month ago
Universal background checks,

Don’t most mass shooters pass these?

limiting magazine capacity

Our war on drugs failed, why wouldn’t a war on magazines fail as well?

reinstating the assault weapons ban

What criteria do you propose?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.60  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.51    one month ago

This is an old 'saw,' Drinker. Don't expect me to solve gun violence in this country and I won't expect you to either-since its meaningless to a conservative congress.  Have a nice evening. Yawn. Gun violence is 'regular' news now. Conservatives have left that 'door' open in the country.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
5.2.61  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.42    one month ago
"In the meantime we have to suffer through your snark and trolling on an article about the death of 18 children."

Your very first comment was sick joke about it

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.62  Gsquared  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.59    one month ago
Don't most mass shooters pass these?

Some do, but not all.  Is that a valid reason not to have background checks?  Of course not.  Experts state they are beneficial.

Our war on drugs failed, why wouldn't a war on magazines fail as well?

Those are two completely different things.  Why would limiting magazine capacity fail to provide protection from gun violence?

What criteria do you propose?

I don't.  I will leave it to people more knowledgeable than me to provide the specifics.  I do know that when we had an assault weapons ban, we had less gun violence, and since the ban expired, we have had more.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.63  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  CB @5.2.60    one month ago

Thread 5.3 was removed for constant trolling and irrelevant comments. Any further behavior like this will be treated severely. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.64  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.59    one month ago
Universal background checks, Don’t most mass shooters pass these?

You are contradicting your own proposal. 

limiting magazine capacity

Our war on drugs failed, why wouldn’t a war on magazines fail as well?

reinstating the assault weapons ban

What criteria do you propose?

Who died and made you district attorney? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.65  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.62    one month ago
Some do, but not all.  Is that a valid reason not to have background checks?  Of course not.  Experts state they are beneficial.

I have no issue with background checks, which mass shootings would they have prevented?

Why would limiting magazine capacity fail to provide protection from gun violence?

If you can’t stop illegal, dangerous drugs from being sold, how do you stop magazines?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.66  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.64    one month ago
You are contradicting your own proposal.

No, I just don’t think that it will be very effective.

Who died and made you district attorney? 

Beats me. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.67  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @5.2.61    one month ago

what makes you think i was joking? 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.68  CB   replied to  Gsquared @5.2.45    one month ago

But of course, it escapes notice that Congress are the professionals detailed in the constitution to look out for the welfare and safety of the U.S. citizenry. It is all of their elected and collective responsibilities. And what do those pathetic folks do: look out for the funding from gun lobbyists-men and women who are not elected at all to look out for ordinary rank and file citizens.

Though it is ridiculous on its face to realize that gun lobbyists and gun manufacturers live in this country too right beside us. One would think they would worry about what could happen in a random shootout in their areas of the country. But, to be clear, I do not wish anything bad or wrong to anybody!

That said, didn't I read once several years ago that conservatives in congress voted to not allow for something like a lawful class action suit against gun manufacturers and gun lobbyists (related to gun violence)?

If yes, then it speaks volumes about how off-base constitutionally congress as a sitting body is in performance of its constitutional duties. The people are exposed to the tyranny of the people's representative bodies.

 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
5.2.69  GregTx  replied to  CB @5.2.68    one month ago

Who controls Congress again?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.70  CB   replied to  GregTx @5.2.69    one month ago

Who do you think, Greg? Give it a 'shot.'

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.71  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.37    one month ago
"Why does it happen here , and so often?  Because we have a culture that encourages people to think that guns will solve their problems. The horrible truth is there is no legislation that can stop this now. We have let it go too far. There are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation, and they are not going out of circulation anytime soon." 
So true - and the answer to the senseless deaths of innocents to some is more guns.
 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.72  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.42    one month ago
"In the meantime we have to suffer through your snark and trolling on an article about the death of 18 children." 

Here and everywhere else.  He believes he is endearing.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.73  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.72    one month ago

What do you believe?

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
5.2.74  Snuffy  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.45    one month ago
Universal background checks allow the federal government to get involved in intra-state commerce
More guns sales likely result from inter-state commerce rather than intra-state commerce.  If somehow intra-state commerce becomes an issue, which I don't believe it is, state laws could provide a work around.

But federal law already covers inter-state commerce.  If you purchase a gun from another state, by law that gun must be shipped to a licensed dealer in your state and you must meet all laws and undergo the NICS background check before  you can purchase and take the gun.  

That's why I would rather see some teeth put into the reporting requirements.  We've had high-profile shootings that when traced back it was discovered that the person should not have been allowed to purchase the gun but the reporting agency did not forward the information to NICS so the background check when thru clear.  

Magazine capacity has been banned in some states, hasn't make that big of a difference.
I don't accept that limiting magazine capacity isn't beneficial.

Didn't say it may not be beneficial, but it hasn't made that much of a difference as it doesn't take all that long to swap out a magazine.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
5.2.75  Snuffy  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.54    one month ago

Except a straw purchase of a gun is not a legal sale.  When you as a private person goes to sell a gun to another person in state there are requirements that you are to follow.

A person who purchases guns in one state, transports them to another state and then just sells them to anybody is not performing a legal sale.  Hell, they broke the law when they first purchased the guns because one of the questions on the ATF 4473 is are you purchasing this gun for someone else.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2.76  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.26    one month ago

John, there are huge numbers of law abiding lawfully carrying gun owners in this country, myself included, who have never harmed anyone. Your comment above sounds like you are trying to lump all gun owners into the same heap and tar them all with the same brush then take them all away. Legal and responsible gun ownership and the reasons for said ownership are all across the political and social spectrum. This is not just a conservative right Republican issue as you seem to be implying and a lot of liberal Democrats are gun owners as well. This country needs to enforce existing laws instead of continuously trying to make new laws.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.77  Gsquared  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.74    one month ago
I would rather see some teeth put into the reporting requirements

I agree with you that there should be stronger enforcement.

Didn't say it may not be beneficial

No, you didn't.  Any benefit provided could save lives.

it doesn't take all that long to swap out a magazine 

That may be the case in certain instances, but I don't think that is a reason not to limit magazine capacity. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.78  Gsquared  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.75    one month ago
a straw purchase of a gun is not a legal sale

That is absolutely correct.  Is the enforcement mechanism sufficient?

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
5.2.79  Snuffy  replied to  Gsquared @5.2.78    one month ago

Nope, not when  you have DA's who refuse to prosecute or who refuse to prosecute because they feel forcing a felon to answer the question is entrapment.  IMO there are insufficient prosecutions for those who lie on the form.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
5.2.80  Gsquared  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.79    one month ago
insufficient prosecutions

That needs to change, doesn't it?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.81  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.43    one month ago
"If that's true, you have no idea what real suffering is."

Do tell.  How many of your loved ones have been murdered?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.82  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.73    one month ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.83  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.82    one month ago

Good copy/paste

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.84  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.81    one month ago

One, a sister-in-law.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
5.4  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one month ago
Gun rights advocates have offered their thoughts and prayers. /s.

I think that’s better than offering blame at people who had nothing to do with it.

 
 
 
shona1
Junior Participates
6  shona1    one month ago

How often have I just woken to hear the news headlines...

There has been yet another mass school shooting in the States..

To many....to many..

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
7  Gsquared    one month ago

This is sad beyond belief.

The true American Carnage.  

What kind of a future is our country facing?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
7.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gsquared @7    one month ago
"What kind of a future is our country facing?"

You know as well as I that your country's future is predictable.  The Second Amendment will never be reversed because it is the backbone of the gun-lovers.  The NRA and its powerful lobbyists supported by the gun manufacturers and its powerful lobbyists are powers not to be trifled with.   You have seen the "pooh-poohs" of the gun supporters in their comments on this very article.

The best argument that the gun-lovers use is that guns are needed by law-abiding citizens for protection against criminals, so with tongue-in-cheek I suggested more than once that guns and ammunition should be distributed to every American over the age of 12, along with required training in their use, after they pass a stringent mental health examination.   Then let's see how many mass gun murders there can be.  I just heard that there have already been 212 mass gun murders in the USA this year (2022),

I just heard that American children are safer in schools than they are on the street or even in their own homes.  So I ask everyone to close their eyes, and picture their child or grandchild in school, when a crazed shooter enters and kills a bunch of children INCLUDING YOUR CHILD OR GRANDCHILD.  Try to picture your grief.   Now, how does THAT make you feel about "the right to bear arms"?  Is that more important than the lives of your children or grandchildren?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
8  Just Jim NC TttH    one month ago

18 year old shot his grandmother then shot in the school. High school kid. How can people not recognize troubled kids. They don't pay attention that's how. And we will never know the motive as the coward is dead.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8.1  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8    one month ago

One thing no one wants to address is mental health.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.1.1  CB   replied to  Ender @8.1    one month ago

What they don't want to address is the addiction to guns. Of course, if you are coming to a realization that there is something mentally wrong with you that shooting people resolves you are going to use what limited intelligence you have to throw people off until you are ready to 'come out.'  However, long or short-lived that lasts.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
8.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @8.1.1    one month ago
What they don't want to address is the addiction to guns.

Maybe some treatment clinics or groups like AA  would help.

you are going to use what limited intelligence you have to throw people off until you are reading to 'come out.' 

Apparently, Salvador Ramos wasn't "reading to come out".

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
8.1.3  charger 383  replied to  Ender @8.1    one month ago

       "One thing no one wants to address is mental health."

      Or poor raising of kids by parents who don't have time, resources, too busy or don't know what they are doing 

      Or parents who should not have had kids in the first place

      Or effects of overpopulation 

      And the kid that just gets left behind 

 
 
 
shona1
Junior Participates
8.2  shona1  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8    one month ago

It just staggers me they even think to go and do this..what is their supposed reasoning??

What on earth have these little kids ever done to them...I just don't grasp it and to be honest I just feel plain sick this morning..🥀🥀🥀

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.2.1  CB   replied to  shona1 @8.2    one month ago

Shona1, I am sorry for your experiences with our national stupidity. We're. . .fine over here being dumb asses who have the best and most exceptional guns the world has ever seen and we may get better after a while in how to care for people—or not. Try to feel better okay?

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
9  Hallux    one month ago

Any sense of shock at America's ongoing tragedy has left the building along with the vapidity of 'thoughts and prayers'.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
10  Kavika     one month ago

I suspect that there will be a lot of thoughts and prayers and nothing will be done, again.

 
 
 
shona1
Junior Participates
10.1  shona1  replied to  Kavika @10    one month ago

It just seems to go on and on...has it now turned into some sick and ghastly competition, to go down in history with the most numbers of students murdered??

I was just watching a video last night of a Student Protection Officer dancing with high school students as he was leaving.

It was great to see and then I thought how bloody sad you basically need cops at the schools now to protect students??

Hope we never go down that path...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
10.1.1  Kavika   replied to  shona1 @10.1    one month ago

In the US we have failed our children, we are unable to keep them safe. 

 
 
 
shona1
Junior Participates
10.1.2  shona1  replied to  Kavika @10.1.1    one month ago

And that is truly heart breaking...💔💔

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.3  CB   replied to  Kavika @10.1.1    one month ago

We are not safe, but that's nothing new. We're socially and politically a stunted nation.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
10.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @10.1.3    one month ago
We are not safe

When have we ever been safer?

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Participates
11  Freefaller    one month ago

As a small silver lining I just read on another article that the shooter died

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
12  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

I do have a theory as to why guns are SO important to America and Americans.  America is the "Policeman of the World", a nation with a history of starting or joining or defending against wars around the world for years.  In order for its ability to build its armed forces to take part in such wars and to threaten its ability and/or intention to do so and be believable as a credible threat, Americans, from childhood on, must learn to love and cherish guns and their right to own and use them in order to build the mentality of loving using guns, of considering them to be a necessity in order to champion The American Way.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @12    one month ago

I think that is part of it. I think there is a better explanation though. America has always seen itself as a "frontier" country, and individualism is paramount on the frontier. We dont have the faith in collective security that other countries have. 

The Colt 45 tamed the wild west after all. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
12.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1    one month ago

It appears that the "Wild West" has not yet been tamed.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1.2  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @12.1    one month ago

And conservatives 'swear' that the time will come when they have to 'take the country back' from the Other. It's dominant culture think: "You will not replace us." Understood as: 'We got these here big ole guns stacked up the 'wazoo'! Just the imagery of that buys 'mileage.'  (At least the thinking goes.)

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
13  charger 383    one month ago

Any shooter who survives should get a quick trial, review and then be publicly hung at the site of the crime.  Make it happen in 6 weeks or less.  No exceptions,  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
13.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  charger 383 @13    one month ago

Most states ended Capital Punishment years ago, where have you been?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
13.1.1  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @13.1    one month ago

Twenty seven states allow capital punishment.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/death-penalty.aspx#:~:text=Capital%20punishment%20is%20currently%20authorized,government%20and%20the%20U.S.%20military.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
13.1.2  charger 383  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @13.1    one month ago

and that is a big part of the problem,  Did not have much of these shootings when  they knew what they would get. 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
13.1.3  charger 383  replied to  JBB @13.1.1    one month ago

make it a federal crime and the execution certain, swift and public

 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
13.1.4  JBB  replied to  charger 383 @13.1.3    one month ago

If that were true why did it not work in Texas?

The perp was killed BTW. That is swift justice.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
13.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @13.1.1    one month ago

Only 18 have carried out executions in the last 20 years.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
13.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  charger 383 @13.1.3    one month ago

Make what a federal crime?  

BTW, the federal government has executed about 15 folks in 50 years.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
13.1.7  charger 383  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @13.1.6    one month ago

I think there are more that deserve it.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
13.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  charger 383 @13.1.7    one month ago

Have you written your Congressperson, Senator and President?

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
13.1.9  charger 383  replied to  JBB @13.1.4    one month ago

Maybe it would have prevented it if that had been done to previous shooters and it was known that was the penalty with no exceptions.  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
13.1.10  charger 383  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @13.1.8    one month ago

I will do that but the President we have now and my 2 Senators are useless 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
13.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  charger 383 @13    one month ago

It should also be televised.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
13.2.1  charger 383  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @13.2    one month ago

I agree, 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
13.2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @13.2    one month ago

Make it a pay per view event. Tune in Friday night, execution at 6:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. I'd pay money for that.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
14  charger 383    one month ago

I also wonder if the one who did the shooting was really wanted by his parents?   Did they have the time, resources, desire and ability to properly raise him?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
14.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  charger 383 @14    one month ago

I wonder what Grandma did to the boy.

 
 
 
shona1
Junior Participates
14.1.1  shona1  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @14.1    one month ago

Evening Drinker..maybe she was trying to stop him when she realised what he was going to do...or he told her.

Guess we will never know now..

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
14.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  shona1 @14.1.1    one month ago

Good evening shona. We roll under another unthinkable tragedy.  We remain a paralyzed, ineffectual, and divided country.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
14.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  charger 383 @14    one month ago

Apparently, Grandma didn’t love Salvador enough.

 
 
 
shona1
Junior Participates
16  shona1    one month ago

Makes it so much worse when you start seeing photos....and putting names to faces of the little lost souls...🥀🥀🥀🥀

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
16.1  JBB  replied to  shona1 @16    one month ago

This tragedy does put things into some perspective.

original  

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
17  magicschoolbusdropout    one month ago

(so as to not single any one person or persons out and to be All Inclusive, Diverse, Woke, In Toto, Catch All, Blanketing, and any other word you can come up with, as to not Leave ANYONE OUT of the Process)

PROPOSAL to STOP Gun Violence:

A Federal Mandate must be enacted by congress and the President of these United States to Stop Gun Violence.

Ages                                     Federal Mandate                                                                  Time Frame

6 to 25                                 Complete Physical and Psychological Evaluation                 Once Every 1 Year

25 to 45                               Complete Physical and Psychological Evaluation                 Once Every 2 Years

45 to 65                               Complete Physical and Psychological Evaluation                 Once Every 5 Years

65 to 85                               Complete Physical and Psychological Evaluation                 Once Every 10 Years

All Information From these Mandated Requirements on EVERYONE in this Country, Along with ALL other Information the NICS uses to do it's background checks and ALL OTHER PERSONAL INFORMATION WILL BE SENT to the Federal Government and Kept in one Facility, in order for the NCIS to be able to do a Comprehensive and complete background check on ANYONE that MAY or WILL purchase a firearm.

This can even be used by The FBI, ATF, The States, The DHS, The CDC (for any reason) and also Employers during the Hiring Process.

My Reasoning ?

EVERYONE GET'S INVOLVED and NO ONE IS LEFT OUT of the Process THIS WAY !

The NICS, The ATF, The FBI, and other agencies, Lack Other Important Information that they should have in weeding out those that should not have a gun. This would also cover any one that May not have a gun, but MAY Purchase one at a later date and time. 

It's called Putting the Horse Before the Cart, and to Make required Background Checks to Actually work !

THE END !

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
17.1  Snuffy  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @17    one month ago

Will be interesting to see commentary from the two political sides on this.  I don't have any real problem with it, would need to  modify HIPPA law for it to happen.  A potential downside would be would it further stigmatize the mentally ill and impact the desire to get help?  I don't know..

But I would definitely promote putting teeth into the reporting requirements for NICS.  There have been some recent shootings where the person should not have been able to purchase the gun but the information that would have prevented it was not forwarded to the NICS system so they purchased their gun legally.  The NICS system can only be as good as the quality of data in it.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
17.1.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Snuffy @17.1    one month ago
The NICS system can only be as good as the quality of data in it.

Exactly !

My Proposal would at least INVOLVE EVERYONE....so NO ONE is left out. Even the Anti-gun Folks can say, THEY DID THEIR PART when they submit to a Mandated Physical and Psychological Evaluation whose records will be kept in a government file too.

Put in effort where their mouths are as it were.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
17.2  charger 383  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @17    one month ago

If that is the path we have take; then, also apply it to: voting, getting into schools, for jobs, entering into contracts,  make info available for people to  check  out prospective dates,  for renting, buying alcohol,  make the information required in any court cases and public info for anybody seeking public offfice or employment.   

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
17.2.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  charger 383 @17.2    one month ago
then, also apply it to:

Heck ya. jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
17.2.2  CB   replied to  charger 383 @17.2    one month ago

That is not freedom and some conservatives will hate it immediately after a first psyche evaluation is filed. End of effort. Besides it's a 'privacy' issue. But, . . .oh that's right! Conservatives now say that privacy is not in the constitution.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Participates
18  Dismayed Patriot    one month ago

I support the 2nd amendment.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

But apparently I have a different interpretation of "well regulated" than many conservatives who seem to reject any regulation and want to hand out guns as door prizes or when you open a new checking account at the bank.

Anyone with more than half a brain should have no problem with universal gun registration and sensible gun regulation. And I know the conservative excuse of "well that won't stop criminals from getting guns" is often used to counter sensible gun regulation, if a universal background check stopped even one school shooting or saved even one life, it would be worth any supposed "hassle" of universal registration that law abiding gun owners would have to go through when buying guns.

The only folk I can think of, other than criminals and psychos, that would oppose such sensible gun regulation are those who are stockpiling their own bunker with weapons of war for what they see as some civil war they believe they'll have to fight to "take back their nation". They're nothing but Rambo wannabe ammosexuals who clearly get off thinking about all the people they could shoot with their military style assault rifles. This love of guns mentality is far beyond simple home protection, sport and hunting.

Simple sensible gun regulations will not destroy the 2nd amendment. Requiring universal gun registration, safety courses, background checks, mental health checks, limits on assault rifles, magazine sizes and bump stocks is not to much to ask for if it saves even one grade school child from being gunned down in another senseless act of gun violence.

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
18.1  squiggy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @18    one month ago

"... different interpretation of "well regulated"..."

supplied, issued, provisioned, furnished, stocked, kitted, provided, brought, equipped

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
18.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @18    one month ago
But apparently I have a different interpretation of "well regulated"

The adjective “well-regulated” implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training. See Johnson 1619 (“Regulate”: “To adjust by rule or method”); Rawle 121–122; cf. Va. Declaration of Rights §13 (1776), in 7 Thorpe 3812, 3814 (referring to “a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms".

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Participates
18.2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @18.2    one month ago
implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training

Sadly there is obviously no proper discipline and training needed to buy weapons of war in this country. Even justice Scalia admitted that the 2nd amendment is not unlimited, we do already ban, limit and/or regulate the sale of military weapons, explosives, chemical weapons, biological weapons and WMD's. So regardless of the definition of "well regulated", supporting sensible gun laws like universal background checks clearly does not violate the 2nd amendment as anyone with more than half a brain understands.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.2.2  CB   replied to  Dismayed Patriot @18.2.1    one month ago

These conservatives here are obstructionists fanning out on the internet to obfuscate and dumb down discussion. How do I know this? I applaud your @18.

These conservatives will not keep liberals safe, they want us subjugated (in one manner or another). They will not protect their 'own' safe from gun violence. Rather tell them to 'carry' everywhere they go at home and in public. ("Dodge City.") Conservatives in congress (little "c") won't keep the citizenry safe even as they take our tax dollars to spend on 'luxury' items and foreign extremes. We are not safe.

And a funny thing happened in Texas yesterday, 19 children were in school doing what the adult "leadership" of Texas and their parents told them to do - to be safe in school. They were not safe. They are in the morgue. Their teachers are there with them. Why? Because Texas is not safe!  Here is the funny part, Texas has for all intends and purposes a "ban" on abortion. . . more kids born in Texas? Won't they be unsafe too?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
18.2.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @18.2.2    one month ago
And a funny thing happened in Texas yesterday,

You have an odd sense of humor.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
18.2.4  Gulliver  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @18.2.3    one month ago

There are moments we laugh to keep from crying. 

Or screaming.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
18.2.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gulliver @18.2.4    one month ago

I see that you’re doubling your fun.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.2.7  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @18.2.3    one month ago

And you have a passion for understatement, but who's counting?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
18.2.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @18.2.7    one month ago
but who's counting?

I've noticed that you rarely care for metrics.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
18.2.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @18.2.8    one month ago
you rarely care for metrics.

I so

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
20  charger 383    one month ago

Wonder where he got the money to buy the guns?