Supreme Court keeps immigration limits in place indefinitely | AP News
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court is keeping pandemic-era limits on asylum in place for now, dashing hopes of migrants who have been fleeing violence and inequality in Latin America and elsewhere to reach the United States.
Tuesday's ruling preserves a major Trump-era policy that was scheduled to expire under a judge's order on Dec. 21. The case will be argued in February and a stay imposed last week by Chief Justice John Roberts will remain in place until the justices make a decision.
The limits, often known as Title 42 in reference to a 1944 public health law, were put in place under then-President Donald Trump at the beginning of the pandemic, but unwinding it has taken a torturous route through the courts. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention attempted to end the policy in April 2022, but a federal judge in Louisiana sided with 19 Republican-led states in May to order it kept in place. Another federal judge in Washington said in November that Title 42 must end, sending the dispute to the Supreme Court. Officials have expelled asylum-seekers inside the United States 2.5 million times on grounds of preventing the spread of COVID-19.
Immigration advocates sued to end the policy, saying it goes against American and international obligations to people fleeing to the U.S. to escape persecution. They've also argued that the policy is outdated as coronavirus treatments improve.
The Supreme Court's 5-4 decision comes as thousands of migrants have gathered on the Mexican side of the border, filling shelters and worrying advocates who are scrambling to figure out how to care for them.
"We are deeply disappointed for all the desperate asylum seekers who will continue to suffer because of Title 42, but we will continue fighting to eventually end the policy," said Lee Gelernt, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, which had been arguing to end Title 42′s use.
Andrea Rudnik, co-founder of non-profit immigration aid organization Team Brownsville in South Texas, said the situation at the border is a humanitarian crisis. She said there are thousands of migrants camped on cardboard boxes and in makeshift tents near the entrance of the Gateway International Bridge in Matamoros, Mexico, opposite Brownsville, without food, water, clothing or bathrooms.
"It is very readily becoming a dangerous situation because there's no toilets," Rudnik said. "Get that many people together with no bathrooms and you know what you have got."
States that wanted Title 42 kept in place hailed the outcome. In a press release Tuesday, Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds praised the court's decision while saying it's not a permanent solution to the country's immigration woes.
"I'm grateful that Title 42 remains in place to help deter illegal entry at the US southern border. But make no mistake — this is only a temporary fix to a crisis that President Biden and his administration have ignored for two years," she said.
The Supreme Court's decision said that the court will review the issue of whether the states have the right to intervene in the legal fight over Title 42. Both the federal government and immigration advocates have argued that the states waited too long to intervene and — even if they hadn't waited so long — that they don't have sufficient standing to intervene.
In the dissent, Justices Neil Gorsuch and Ketanji Brown Jackson wrote that even if the court were to find the states have the right to intervene and Title 42 was lawfully adopted "... the emergency on which those orders were premised has long since lapsed."
The justices said the "current border crisis is not a COVID crisis."
"And courts should not be in the business of perpetuating administrative edicts designed for one emergency only because elected officials have failed to address a different emergency. We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort," the justices wrote.
Justices Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor also voted to deny the stay but did not sign a dissent.
White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Tuesday that President Joe Biden's administration "will, of course, comply with the order and prepare for the Court's review."
"At the same time, we are advancing our preparations to manage the border in a secure, orderly, and humane way when Title 42 eventually lifts and will continue expanding legal pathways for immigration," Jean-Pierre added. "Title 42 is a public health measure, not an immigration enforcement measure, and it should not be extended indefinitely."
In November, a federal judge sided with advocates and set a Dec. 21 deadline to end the policy. Conservative-leaning states appealed to the Supreme Court, warning that an increase in migration would take a toll on public services and cause an "unprecedented calamity" that they said the federal government had no plan to deal with.
Roberts, who handles emergency matters that come from federal courts in the nation's capital, issued a stay to give the court time to more fully consider both sides' arguments.
The federal government asked the Supreme Court to reject the states' effort while also acknowledging that ending the restrictions abruptly would likely lead to "disruption and a temporary increase in unlawful border crossings."
The precise issue before the court is a complicated, largely procedural question of whether the states should be allowed to intervene in the lawsuit. A similar group of states won a lower court order in a different court district preventing the end of the restrictions after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced in April that it was ending use of the policy.
Until the judge's November order in the advocates' lawsuit, the states had not sought to take part in that case. But they say that the administration has essentially abandoned its defense of the Title 42 policy and they should be able to step in. The administration has appealed the ruling, though it has not tried to keep Title 42 in place while the legal case plays out.
The Biden administration still has considerable leeway to enforce Title 42 as aggressively or as leniently as it chooses. For example, when a judge ordered last year that Trump's "Remain in Mexico" policy to make asylum-seekers wait in Mexico for hearings in U.S. immigration court be reinstated, it did so with such limited scope that it had little impact. That policy ended in August after the administration prevailed in the Supreme Court.
The Biden administration's use of Title 42 includes an opaque, bewildering patchwork of exemptions that are supposed to be for migrants deemed most vulnerable in Mexico, perhaps for gender identity or sexual orientation, or for being specifically threatened with violence. U.S. Customs and Border Protection works with partners it doesn't publicly identify and doesn't say how many slots are made available to each.
Mexico is another wild card. The use of Title 42 to quickly expel migrants depends largely on Mexico's willingness to accept them. Right now Mexico takes expelled migrants from Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and Venezuela, in addition to Mexico, but not other countries, such as Cuba. Most asylum seekers who cannot be sent to Mexico are not expelled.
Biden is scheduled meet with Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador in Mexico City next month.
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Spagat contributed from San Diego. Associated Press journalist Acacia Coronado contributed from Austin, Texas.
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It's sad that there is no way to test migrants for COVID.
Oh, wait... there's a test (and vaccines and treatments).
Butt, we all know, the immigration policy is what really needs to be cured.
Yes, the current administration can start by enforcing existing rules and laws.
Yes, Trump set the "Gold Standard" for so many of America's finest policies. We should praise "Dirty Diaper Donnie", not indict him as a "Traitor", Con Artist, Grifter, Crook, and Russian compromised businessman with extensive financial connections to Putin's Russia.
, don't you think?
That would be so non-republicans
A platitude off a statue is not an immigration law.
We have immigration laws. We have borders. Neither are being enforced.
Talk to Brandon. He has been in charge for the last two years. Still no mandatory testing and forced vaccinations in place for illegal immigrants. He only deems that necessary for the military; federal workers; and federal contractors. He doesn't want to violate any illegal immigrants' rights.
Been there done that with Reagan and the Democrats. Democrats got the general amnesty they wanted. Border is still wide open. Immigration law enforcement is still a joke whenever a Democrat is in the White House.
Brandon and the Democrats have to prove they are willing to enforce our borders and immigration laws as is. Before there is any talk of immigration reform.
So, what are all the border guards doing, inviting immigrants to come into our country illegally, so they might be shipped humanely to democrat states and dumped off like cattle?
The crisis on the border was not created by Biden. It has been a problem since Texas stole Mexico's territory, and called it Tex-Ass!
Sam Houston quite adroitly, asked the US to fight the Mexicans to keep the stolen land safe, so Texas might always be a free country of its own and a sometimes state for the "bennies".
Thank you for your keen advice. What is your view on China? More of the same?
“…Brandon [sic] and the Democrats have to prove they are willing to enforce our borders and immigration laws as is…”
Telling how some are only so willing to hold a new administration suddenly accountable when this has been an issue going all the way back to the ‘wet back’ Eisenhower daze.
Almost as telling as when people who held the last President accountable for everything suddenly forget all about it under Old Joe.
Only a problem to them when a Democrat is President
Hey, sorry, we can't all be Democrats and go on pretending the border is secure!
Perhaps, just perhaps that is because it gets magnified when a Democrat is President. Look at today? Look at the Obama days and his touting of the DACA program which many invariably interpreted it the same way they do today.
"Hey Trump the hardass is out of office and they quit building the wall so I guess it's okay to head North..
Definitely in the Top 10 of "stupid comments".
Tell us you don't what's going on without actually saying you don't know what's going on.
Uhhh - that "taking" began in the 1500's and Sam had nothing to do with it.
Just good ol' greedy Europeans.
There would be a US-Mexican border regardless of Texas, the line would just be north of Texas.
The Spanish first stole this land then various Mexican attempts at governing attempted to keep up but had trouble controlling the local Comanche, so they invited Anglo settles to the region.
When Santa Anna sought to suspended the constitution and placed all federal power in his hands, a Mexican civil war started. Three new governments declared independence: the Republic if Texas, the Republic of Yucatan and the Republic of Rio Grande.
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Stop confusing BP with Democrats. The BP are following Brandon's orders. The majority have been pulled off the border, and their jobs protecting it, to process the massive influx of illegals caused by Brandon and the Democrats rescinding Trump EO's, and stopping wall construction, that were working keeping the border closed.
Again, talk to Brandon. He is letting border states and cities deal with the overwhelming influx of illegals that he is doing nothing about. Republican border state governors are just sharing the pain. Brandon isn't helping Democrat bastion of stupidity sanctuary cities either. He doesn't give a shit about illegal immigrants. His job is get them into the US and not allow them to be deported. What happens to them is on the states and cities where they reside.
Not sure which part to handle first. Your complete lack of awareness of when the current crisis on the border started; or lack of knowledge of geography. There are other border states that are suffering from a massive influx of illegals. Arizona, New Mexico, and California also border Mexico as well.
Please tell us all when the border was this bad before? When there was two years straight of record breaking illegal immigrant crossings with no end in sight? With 2023 promising to set a new record already.
"So what are all the border guards doing..."
Trying to do their jobs as best they can while hamstrung with one arm tied behind their back by severely restrictive policies put in place by Mayorkas and the Biden administration.
"The crisis on the border was not created by Biden."
No it was not, but it has had been severely exacerbated by the Biden administration's lack of coherent border policies.
That is a good slogan for a scrapyard or recycling center
or even legal immigration.
That heartwarming comment is in dick ative of enormous respect for immigrants and refugees (and an immense admiration for the Statue of Liberty).
Why do some people think I belong in a fucking scrapyard?
The message is outdated and should be changed to reflect current times not what we needed over 100 years ago.
Why do some people think other statues belong in a fucking scrapyard?
why do some people that revere unamerican traitors, totally deserving to have their heads blown off during and after the civil war, choose to finance and place their statuary in a vain attempt to perpetuate their white supremacist heritage.
al Jizzerror:
Never take it personally. There are so many deep thinkers here on "The News Talkers.com" that it is lending more and more to the right.
What do you care? They're all feral cats to you
ignorance, sheer complete and utter ignorance
our fellow human beings are feral cats to some here
Don't want any feral cats
Statues that honor fucking racist traitors belong in crap yards.
Would have been hard-pressed to convince some Democrats of that from about 1880 until 1970 or so.
They just took down a statue of U. S. GRANT from West Point. Was he a racist traitor?
Maybe to save future generations from craziness, we should start only using numbers to name things.
No more statues, ever. Some future generations may find them offensive by their standards.
That should please the woke folk.
Amen, got enough of them in my neck of the border.
Why do leftists pervert everything they read?
Nice picture. Looks like BLM and Antifa gave the statue their mark of disapproval.
No where in that message does it state anything about taking in those that would willingly violate US immigration laws.
Come here legally or not at all.
You are right. Better remove any trace of FDR. No street names, statues, or buildings. It is offensive to Asian Americans (especially Japanese Americans).
Easy, because they are perverts.
That's the only way they can make them selves NOT look like the nimrods we've all come to know them as.
We need to delete anything that has to do with Obama too. His moothers ancestors were slave owners.
Yeah. I’m surprised Obama didn’t donate the millions he got from Netflix to help the descendants of those his family enslaved. He’s a white supremacist I guess.
Right wingers do have strange obsessions.
There are so many deep thinkers here on "The News Talkers.com" that it is trending more and more to the wrong.
Fixed it.
Yes.
Now you can't convince the Retrumplicans that people who led the Confederacy are racist traitors.
Some of us are perverts (like me).
bullshit
Then why do people like want to keep the Statues that honor the racist traitors who fought for the Confederacy?
Please let me pretend you know better than to be silly enough to think that all Republicans support those silly statues Democrats put up and revered for decades.
I never said ALL Republicans.
Don't presume to put your fucking words in my mouth.
And you know damn well that SOME Democrats never "revered" Confederate statues. The racist Democrats left after The Dixiecrats fled the Democratic in 1948 and the remaining racists left the party when the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 and the Voting Rights Act passed in 1965.
Guess what?
Those racist Democrats became Republicans over 50 yrs. ago.
That’s the lie democrats tell themselves to cover for the fact they have racist members and policies.
Byrd democrat
clinton democrat
Biden democrat
wallace democrat
Democrats are the party of the Klan and nothing has changed other than the transparency of their lies.
As most folks already know, that simply isn't true.
Democrats kept getting elected in the South up until the 90s
Enough Democrats revered those statues enough to erect them.
Never seemed to be a real problem for them until the last 10 years or so.
Strom Thurmond 1960 Democrat
Strom Thurmond 1964 Dixiecrat
Strom Thurmond 1968 George Wallace's American Party
Strom Thurmond 1972 Republican
Really?
That he past.
Here's the present.
The KKK endorsed Donald Trump!
1923 - 1963 Democrat
1964 - 2003 Republican
Strom Thurmond was a fucking racist. He was also a molestor and committed statutory rape.
Thurmond was a member of the Democratic Party until 1964, when he joined the Republican Party for the remainder of his legislative career. He also ran for president in 1948 as the Dixiecrat candidate, receiving over a million votes and winning four states.
A staunch opponent of civil rights legislation in the 1950s and 1960s, Thurmond conducted the longest speaking filibuster ever by a lone senator, at 24 hours and 18 minutes in length, in opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1957 . [2] In the 1960s, he voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
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First daughter with Carrie Butler
Six months after Thurmond's death in 2003, Essie Mae Washington-Williams (1925–2013) publicly revealed she was his daughter. She was born on October 12, 1925, to Carrie "Tunch" Butler (1909 or 1910 – 1948), who had worked for Thurmond's parents and was 15 or 16 years old when she gave birth
Sexual misconduct allegations [ edit ]
According to NBC News in 2017, it was widely acknowledged around Congress that Thurmond inappropriately touched women throughout his career. [313] Thurmond's colleague, Senator Patty Murray , stated that in early 1994, Thurmond, then 91, tried to fondle her breast in an elevator. [314] According to The New York Times , Thurmond had been known for fondling women in Senate elevators, and did not realize Murray was a fellow senator. [3] The alleged incident prompted a statement from Thurmond's office, saying that he had not engaged in any inappropriate behavior, and that he was showing gentlemanly courtesy by assisting Murray into the elevator. [314] Female Senate staffers from the late 1980s and early 1990s recalled that Thurmond was on an informal list of male senators who were known for harassing women regularly, such as while alone in elevators. [315]
Political reporter Cokie Roberts said in 2017 that Thurmond kissed her on the mouth, while she was live on the air at a political convention. Roberts stated that Thurmond "was in the category of his own" when it came to politicians and sexual harassment.
You found one! Congrats. Biden and Clinton are still democrats and alive, and Biden is also a child molestor, his own daughter says he is.
Democrats are the party of the klan.
The KKK endorsed Trump.
And? He was a democrat for more years than a republican, Maybe they didn’t like Biden because he’s a pedophile?
And as they used to say, the rest of the story.
Trump campaign denounces KKK's official newspaper's support
unlike Biden who embraces them as brothers.
The current KKK is not one organization; it is around 100, small independent chapters. Maybe this was more the endorsement of this rag’s editor.
And honestly the klan is a vile evil organization, and they know the media hates them. They are going to endorse the opponent of the person they want. That’s why democrats send white supremacy actors to republicans rallies.
First check the date of the KKK endorsement.
Ku Klux Klan newspaper declares support for Trump
By Reuters Staff
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Ku Klux Klan newspaper has declared support for Donald Trump’s Republican run for U.S. president , saying America became great because it was a white, Christian republic.
The Crusader, one of the white supremacist group’s most prominent publications, published a lengthy endorsement and defence of Trump’s message on the front page of its current issue under the headline: “Make America Great Again.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Afghanistan_(2020–2021)
Hillary ran against Trump in 2016. Trump is a fucking Republican.
That's fucking hilarious! That "rag's editor" was, obviously, the only member of the fucking KKK who supported The Donald.
The KKK’s official newspaper is gushing about Donald Trump’s message
This should be more shocking than it is.
The Ku Klux Klan’s official newspaper, the Crusader, has written a gushing front-page article about the importance of Donald Trump’s campaign slogan, “Make America Great Again.”
The importance to white supremacists, that is.
Reached by phone, Robb told The Washington Post that while the Crusader wasn’t officially endorsing Trump, his article signaled the publication's enthusiastic support for the Republican billionaire's candidacy. "Overall, we do like his nationalist views and his words about shutting down the border to illegal aliens," Robb said. "It’s not an endorsement because, like anybody, there's things you disagree with. But he kind of reflects what’s happening throughout the world. There seems to be a surge of nationalism worldwide as nationals reclaim their borders."
this seems like a big deal for you.
why do you give a damn who the kkk endorses, especially when the candidate renounced the backing?
do Democrats actually have control over who endorses them?
Because lots of ignorant people on this thread claim that Democrats still have ties to the fucking KKK.
I'm just posting EVIDENCE that those claims are fucking bullshit.
Historically, the Democrats were a conservative white supremacist party.
Since the 1964 Vivil Rights Act, Democrats have evolved Into a liberal party that is opposed to the fucking KKK.
In 1860 the Republicans, led by Abraham Lincoln, were the liberal party.
Unfortunately the Retrumplian party has evolved into the party that embraces the KKK (on the down-low).
that is a load of crap.
wow just like yours!
Trump was once a democrat and anyone with any sense at all would not endorse Hillary. In 2016 she was found to be even less trustworthy than Trump. In any case, no candidate can stop any organization from endorsing them.
What a maga nificent fucking comeback!
Trump now owns the fucking Retrumplican Party.
Please try to keep up.
If he was still a democrat he would probably be a klan member.
Plus a vote for Hillary was a vote for the klan.
I have some time, do you need me to explain my comment?
Your usual projection
Hey, I'm a retired sailor. I earned it from visits to Vietnam and the Olongopo City/Subic Bay in the Philippines!
If he was still a democrat he would probably be a klan member.
DERP!
Sure.
That's why the fucking Klan endorsed Trump in 2016.
DERP!!
How did the Klan determine their endorsement, a national poll?
Thank you for your service.
I grew up in the Navy.
My father was a highly decorated WWII Naval fighter pilot. I lived on or near Navy bases when I was growing up.
My brother and I followed in the family tradition. We both joined the Navy during the Vietnam War.
I was a member of VF-102 on the USS Independence.
In case you haven't noticed, I cuss like a fucking sailor.
They vote on endorsements at their weenie roasts.
Thank you for your service as well. I was squadron Corpsman for VA-95 (A-6E Intruder outfit out of Whidbey Island). Did a WESTPAC on the USS (LPH-3) Okinawa and the USS Belleau Wood (LHA-3) Both gator freighters and ironic that both had Hull number 3.
They SO LOVE to LIVE IN THEIR PAST
Damn! Is that Robert Byrd leading?
Leading what?
Fact check: Photograph does not show Robert Byrd; Byrd was not the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan
By Reuters Staff
Social media users have been sharing a photograph online and claiming that it shows Senator Robert Byrd as the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). The photograph does not portray Byrd. Byrd was never the Grand Wizard of the KKK.
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At the time of his death, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a leading civil rights organization formed in 1909 for the advancement of racial equality and elimination of racial discrimination, issued a statement mourning his passing. The NAACP’s President and CEO remarked: “Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation. Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country”.
Wel, it looks like a whole bunch of southern Democratic racists performing a cross burning!
I know Byrd was never a Grand Wizard, but he was an Exalted Cyclops of his local KKK unit.
I thought it was a Biden rally, then I realized there were too many people there.
democrats are the party of the klan.
Hillary like her husband is a racist piece of crap.
DERP!
The KKK endorsed TRUMP when he ran against Hillary in 2016.
DERP!!
Which is strange because the Clintons are both members of the klan!
Derp!!!!
THAT'S TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
trumpster pretzel logic...
oh look, it's the house freedom caucus...
Here's their fucking queen:
he could use a new hobby. he should learn to juggle chainsaws...
That's fucking easy.
... while they're running full speed.
Yep, it should be cured, but the Biden administration doesn't want it to change. The Dems refuse to work with the Republicans to create a common sense immigration policy.
Not all that long ago, immigrants came through Ellis Island, and gaining admittance to the land of the free was not a sure thing, many were rejected.
The problem is with those such as yourself who don't want the current immigration laws enforced.
A lie.
Prove me wrong John. Tell us when Biden has gone to the Republicans seeking cooperation and compromise on the issue of immigration.
The answer is never. In fact, he acts as if the daily deluge of people reaching border towns who don't have the resources to meet the demand isn't happening
The cricket chirping is deafening.
Greg Jones, what commonsense policies have this new brand of MAGA REPUBLICAN put into place?
Electing Donald J. Trump because he was a fake billionaire and a Reality Cable TV Star?
Pulling out of the Iranian Nuclear deal arbitrarily?
Threatening to NOT fund the government due to their stringent policy of balancing the budget, but not when Republicans are in the White House.
Locking children up, and removing them from their parents?
Losing 2000 immigrant children?
Unilaterally pulling all Americans Troops out of Afghanistan.
Demanding that 5000 Taliban butchers be immediately released from prison.
Hiring Cabinet members that had close ties to Putin.
Appointing D'Joy who is one of the largest investors in commercial mail as Post Master General.
Appointing 4 Attorney Generals in four years.
Denying the severity of COVID-19, interfering with the CDC, and vilifying the World Health Organization (WHO) by claiming he had an uncle that knew more about medicine that Dr. Fauci, or, those health organizations, resulting in 1,100,000 American dying?
Or, helping to organize and launch the deadliest assault on the Capital building since the War of 1812?
What Republican policies are you referencing?
It's the exact opposite, as usual
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That was biden's doing.
First it was not an organized assault but a protest that got out of hand and there was only one person killed and that was an unarmed woman who was threatening nobody.
Better yet, when is Biden going to visit the Southern border? Oh wait, he already said there are more important things than that to do!
When the Democrats (and a few Republicans) supported the McCain/Kennedy comprehensive immigration law, the Republicans filibustered it.
That was an agreement that Trump signed on to.
How 'bout explaining why - or is that too far fetched for some?
Ignorance!
Biden did not have to follow those agreements and certainly did not and should not left American citizens, green card holding immigrants and others loyal to the us behind to the "tender mercies" if the Taliban.
And in typical leftist fashion when things go wrong, blame the guy before. I am sure that if things went smoothly you would be giving Biden all the praise for ending things in Afghanistan and not said a word about Trump. That's what they all did in Iraq. Praised Obama up and down and never said nothing about Bush while thing we're good. As soon as they went south the liberals were coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches to blame Bush and his plan.
He certainly had no problem breaking other agreements Trump signed, and broke this agreement to chose a date of his own.
You notice there is nothing said about Obama sending US forces BACK into Iraq and increasing the battle field to include Syria.
Notice no lefty bothered to comment on post #1.4.8 above. Kind of hard to argue or refute that one.
I don’t think that you can go any further south in US territory than the US Virgin Islands.
Guam is further south than the virgin islands and is a US territory.
American Samoa is the southernmost U.S. territory.
Biden did extend the Trump timeline in an attempt to extract as many people as possible
Withdrawal of United States troops from Afghanistan (2020–2021)
The United States Armed Forces completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan on 30 August 2021, marking the end of the 2001–2021 war . In February 2020, the Trump administration and the Taliban , without the participation of the then Afghan government , signed the US–Taliban deal in Doha , Qatar , [7] which stipulated fighting restrictions for both the US and the Taliban, and provided for the withdrawal of all NATO forces from Afghanistan in return for the Taliban's counter-terrorism commitments. The Trump administration's US–Taliban deal, and then the Biden administration ’s decision in April 2021 to pull out all US troops by September 2021 without leaving a residual force, were the two critical events that caused the collapse of the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF). [8] Following the deal, the US dramatically reduced the number of air attacks and deprived the ANSF of a critical edge in fighting the Taliban insurgency , leading to the Taliban takeover of Kabul on 15 August 2021. [9]
As part of the US–Taliban deal, the Trump administration agreed to an initial reduction of US forces from 13,000 to 8,600 troops by July 2020, followed by a complete withdrawal by 1 May 2021 , if the Taliban kept its commitments. [10] At the start of the Biden administration, there were 2,500 US soldiers in Afghanistan and, in April 2021, Biden said the US would not begin withdrawing these soldiers before 1 May, but would complete the withdrawal by 11 September. The Taliban began a final offensive on 1 May and, on 8 July, Biden specified a new completion date of 31 August.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Afghanistan_(2020–2021)
Then there was no reason for him to finally leave so quickly and strand so many citizens and others there. There was no reason for him to leave military equipment there.
Don't say anymore about Trump's agreement with the Taliban. We seen just how well they have been keeping up their end of the bargain.
Is that Biden's fault or maybe the fucking Taliban's fault?
Do you want a new fucking war in Afghanistan?
DERP!
This is the problem with this country. People get to make ridiculous comments like yours without anyone getting in their face.
Ashley Babbit was climbing through a broken door that had been locked and barricaded . What about "locked and barricaded" makes you think she had a right to go in there. The spot where Babbit was shot was literally a few steps from the floor of the US House of Representatives. The cop that shot her had a duty to protect any members who may have been in that chamber as the mob tried to batter down the door and Babbitt took point.
The door to that hallway was locked and barricaded. When a mob breaches a door that they were clearly NOT allowed to enter it can be presumed they mean violence. Babbitt was a traitor to her country , who unfortunately met her demise through her own violent actions.
Except for the fact that he extended the time frame from May through August and starting in April told "everyone" to get out "now" and expect no help from the State Department?
Except for the fact that the Taliban said all co-operation and their hand's off Americans policy would end at midnight 08/83/21?
All American equipment not donated to the Afghan military by Trump, Obama & Bush was brought to other American or NATO bases. In a few rare cases some equipment including those donated items were deliberately rendered inoperable.
So your official opinion is that the US word as a signatory to a treaty, even the retarded
Dohan Agreement 2020 which failed to include the Afghan government, is meaningless
and dependent on your feeling?
Sounds rather like something out of someone else's playbook, like not the USA playbook.
Rather immaterial don't you think?
You're probably just as riled that the Dohan Agreement calls for us to pay the government or Afghanistan one more $4Billion payment in 2023 which was agreed to and signed off on by Trump, the UN and 26 NATO countries.
They all assumed the Afghan government would still be around, including the greatest negotiator on earth one DJTrump, and failed to include such a disclaimer.
but Biden....
You forgot to mention she was in armed.
They hope it just goes away. My hope is that Biden just goes away.
Immaterial.
When a burglar breaks the door glass and reaches inside to unlock the door
is it required that you ask them if they are armed?
Were the officer's warnings not enough for a prudent person to understand and
stand down?
She was an Air Force veteran with "high security" clearance and worked in
corporate security. Do you think she was some sort of defenseless woman?
She may have gambled her own life away believing that she was disobeying an
unlawful order, that always seems to happen in a mutiny.
The winners get to write history and decide who was wrong.
It is nice you think that way. Those sneaking across our southern border are in effect burglars and invaders. Since you think it is just ok to shoot burglars I guess you won't have any issue if we start using lethal force to keep them out of the country.
Trump's Dohan Agreement wasn't "retarded". Because of the deadline, it was designed to fuck Biden (Trump's real goal).
Biden pushed back the deadline, Butt it still fucked him. Biden got blamed for the "failure" in Afghanistan that was planned by Trump.
Historically, most US presidents honor treaties (unless they involved Native Americans). The glaring exception is, of course, Donald Trump. Trump tore up the Iran nuclear deal in 2018.
The Iran nuclear agreement, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), is a landmark accord reached between Iran and several world powers, including the United States, in July 2015. Under its terms, Iran agreed to dismantle much of its nuclear program and open its facilities to more extensive international inspections in exchange for billions of dollars’ worth of sanctions relief.
Can you point out which one of those were actually treaties? If not? Then your entire comment is irrelevant.
Thanks
If they sneak yes. What do you see on the news? Thousands a day crossing the river in plain view of the news people and seeking to turn themselves in asap to the CBP.
The same thousands being turned away or sent back every day. 1.7 million in 2021.
Sure, lets shoot women and children, that will send a great message about the USA./s
and the Paris Accord, and the Global Compact on Migration, and the
Intermediate Range Nuclear Arms Treaty, WHO, UNESCO,
Treaty on Open Skies.
Optional Protocol of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations
.
Trump also indicated withdrawal from New Start, Universal Postal Union,
Korea - US Free Trade Agreement
WTO
NATO
.
Trump announced "signature withdrawn"
Arms Trade Treaty, TPP and abandoned the TIPP.
and of course the Iran thing again
They are not all women and children. Most of those I see crossing are adult men besides I thought is was a liberal idea that men and women be treated equally.
YOU see crossing? Why not film and report them?
I don't believe you
Of course not. I didn't say that they were.
Then you must have some sort of special news station that filters out the women & children?
Actually it is a Constitutional guarantee. Give that some thought.
Other people can see them too, provided they keep abreast of current events and read links and watch the news.
DERP!
Isn't it better to make no point instead of trying to post pointless photos which do not support any argument made here?
The first "stock" picture is from January 2013 in an article about Illinois granting illegals drivers licenses.
Illinois Approves Driver's Licenses for Illegal Immigrants | Z3 News
The second picture is date December 29 2014 shows Honduran police collecting Hondurans in Honduras after being expelled by the US.
Hondurans fled to the US because their lives were in danger. The US sent them back. - Vox
The third picture dated 06/29/2019 shows immigrants being detained in Chiappas Mexico by Mexican police about 1,700 miles from the US southern border.
Train raided in Mexico; migrants held (arkansasonline.com)
Now that's an ironic comment...
Starting in April of 2020 the surge of women and children has continued to rise.
The facts behind the high number of migrants arriving at the border under Biden - CBS News
Look, I get totally how you think Biden is a freaking genius because of his mishandling of the border 'situation'.
I won't bother to pretend that illegal aliens don't enter the US every single day. I won't pretend I haven't seen countless times on the news about how illegal aliens enter the US.
I won't pretend there isn't a crisis on the border, or believe the Biden lies that the border is secure.
Far too many nut cases already doing all of that.
I have never said that Biden is a genius for any reason.
Good, then we agree on some small thing at least.
Again, we agree that there hasn't been good news about the border since what, 1836?
There is always a "crisis on the border", haven't you been paying attention?
It's as secure as it's never been. Want a secure border?
Confiscate all of the private property along the Texas border where there were 1.5 million apprehensions last fiscal year under Biden the boogeyman, and extend the Roosevelt Reservation to the Gulf, then militarize it. I don't care, but please stop pretending that anything is different in our daily lives.
Sure, by posting decades old photos to try to prove a point about today's border. That was very "nutty".
Uh, huh, sure it is.
“…please stop pretending that anything is different in our daily lives.”
The inconvenient truth uttered in our convenience.
Thank you for the mature adult response. /s
Now read it again and tell me when the border was ever secure.
Thanks for the inanity.
... mentally disarmed.
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... a victim of the congressional welcome wagon for insurrectionists.
You are interacting with one of the most mature adults on NewsTalkers.
/S
You think Brandon unilaterally extended the withdrawal timeline to get US citizens, Green Card holders, and Special VISA holders out? Then why the hell are so many of them still stuck in Afghanistan? Why the hell is Brandon bragging about how many he air lifted out? The vast majority of them were unvetted. If they were lucky enough to make it into the Kabul airport; Brandon had them loaded onto a plane and sent out.
Oh, and Wikipedia is not an accurate source- any moron can update it.
Try some more accurate sources- even if they are still leftist loons.
"Whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture" That statement in a nutshell describes Brandon and the Democrats.
Brandon picked a theatrical deadline 9/11 so it would coincide with 9/11 terrorist attacks. He didn't listen to military advisors. He ignored Taliban and Al Qaeda upping their attacks on US troops and out allies. He even ignored all evidence that the Afghan government and military would fall as soon as we departed. He wanted out, and he got out. He has already "turned the page" on those we promised to get out of Afghanistan.
more trumpster bullshit...
Yes, because facts matter. They were told to leave on April 27, 2021. and the warning was repeated monthly.
,
If any are still stuck why isn't it a daily news story? Because those who chose to stay
did so willingly, not believing that their own government would take the money and run?
The Taliban changed the deadline to 09/01/2021 the same day as your two links.
Estimates from June of 2022 put the number of dual citizen Americans between 100
and 200. The same number State announced on Sept 27. 2021.
No shit, really? /s Left loons say 200, right loons say 9,000. Where are those people today?
Regurgitated partisan rhetoric. We had a flawed international treaty to comply with and a new hostile government that was ending it's "don't shoot Americans on sight policy".
It wasn't Dunkirk or the fall of Saigon. It wasn't perfect but your outrage seems to be a personal issue.
gee, it's so difficult to determine who the FOX TV audience is here... /s
one of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong.
they should swap a nazi flag for the stars and stripes, before I can finish this song.
apologies to sesame street.
... a perpetual buffet for trump republicans?
... they like lapping up shit.
The Trump traitors enjoyed smearing feces in the Capitol because they are coprophagists.
Eating shit is a Republican activity.
thereby validating the saying "you are what you eat"...
Which is fine. But it is a problem and Title 42, while not a complete fix, is fix. The Human Fuck Up Machine Administration needs to step up and do their jobs and secure the border. Then a complete fix can be worked out and implemented.
One of the few true original missions of our Federal Government. Border security.
At which they are failing miserably.
Failing miserably is putting a good spin on it.
Just like the Reagen, Nixon, Ford, both Bushes, and "Dirty Diaper Donnie" did?
And you expect to be taken seriously and treated like an adult?
At any rate, they've done more than the current administration.
Drool bucket Biden needs a change.
Can you please help? Susan Rice would appreciate the assistance.
So because past president, including Obama and Clinton who you failed to name, were not successful means that Biden doesn't have to do anything. Oh and Reagan wanted to secure the border but the democrats, contrary to their agreement with Reagan fought him and denied him.
yeah, republican unwillingness to standardize document verification and a complete lack of criminal penalties for those that hired undocumented workers had nothing to do with it... /s
Of course, there are already laws and penalties for hiring illegal aliens here in the REAL world.
... riddled with loopholes for the rich and powerful, as per usual for the GOP.
What loopholes?
Got any links at all to support such craziness?
Or is it just the usual "Uh-huh" nonsense?
Did you just repeat what someone told you there?
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Yeah, I had no idea my simple request would turn out to be difficult to process.
I guess when you make stuff up, it MIGHT be hard to find proof!
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Flags removed.
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And the blame game starts.
I'd love to hear the logic behind that line of bullshit.
The Republicans are powerless to do anything about the open border.
The Dems are in charge of the whole mess, but as usual they must cast blame.
God forbid they actually take responsibility for something they caused.
Your usual projection
I believe it's two-fold. The lie told by the Biden Administration about how they received a completely broken and unrepairable system from the Trump Administration and the lie being told about how Republicans currently are refusing to work with Democrats to fix current immigration law. It's an expansion of the old "blame the prior administration" piece where they are just adding partisan bullshit on top like a cherry.
Ah, what a government we have...
For shits and giggles, lets say their lie (that the border was irreparable) is accurate. They still have an obligation to fix it. To date they haven't done anything. They've even gone as far as telling border states that are doing something to stop and dismantle what they have done.
Now, back to reality. The Biden Administration had everything already laid out for them to secure the border. All they had to do was sit back and let it run. But, because of their hissy fit, they stopped it all. Now we have a disaster at the border and they refuse to do anything about it. Even their beloved sanctuary cites are failing in their promises. And they expect everybody to think they will do the right thing.
Trump told his followers that Mexico would PAY for the border wall. Did they, under Donald's chaos rampaging through his four years in the White House make it up as he tore everything down and weakened America in the eyes of its allies, and the world solve any problems or made things worse?
Armchair quarterbacking is easy for anyone to it from home, or, a bar. Where do you do it?
And Biden claims the border IS secure. What's your point?
There is no point! He's just another individual who lives nowhere near the border but thinks he knows better than people who live on the border and see tings with their own eyes.
I don't live anywhere near the border and know it's not secure. I guess that's the difference between me paying attention to what's going on and somebody with their head in their 4th Point Of Contact.
Politicians promise a lot of shit when they are campaigning.
Remember this one from Brandon The Human Fuck Up Machine?
He ended Covid all right! More people have died under his watch from Covid than Trump. That is with three "vaccines" and drugs to cure it if caught early enough that Trump didn't have at his disposal.
But that hasn't stopped Brandon from taking credit for a reduction in Covid 19 death rates. Which are dropping world wide.
Don't worry. There is a new variant of Covid decimating China right now. Think Brandon has any plan for preventing it's spread to the US. Even if he restricts travel from anyone that originates in China. They will just head to South or Central America- pass through Mexico; and enter the US like everyone else that doesn't want to wait in line across our wide open southern border. It may take them a few tries; but it isn't like Brandon is doing anything to really stop them.
In the first 25 seconds of that video, Biden lays out HIS standards for resignation.
Don't know about him, but I don't need to armchair quarterback as I live right on the AZ/Mexico border and see conditions here with my own eyes on a daily basis rather than believe the crap spewed by the Biden supporting leftist liberal MSM. How about telling us where you live and where you get your info. I'm willing to bet it's nowhere near the Southern border.
The Supreme Court just gave the country a reprive for another few months when the Supreme Court will decide the case on the merits. Border states have argued that they have unfairly had to carry the burden of protecting their own borders from waves of illegal migrants. In the meantime the Biden administration fought to end Title 42. Clearly, Biden's handlers want the southern border as wide open as possible. The drug Cartels have made money on it via Fentanyl and sex trafficing. The leftist media is not covering this major story and the left feels they are replacing voters as well as a race of people. We have laws that actually punish people for entering the country illegally. When is the last time anyone ever heard of an illegal migrant being punished for violating American law?
Title 42 was a pandemic era policy. One could argue that it's purpose no longer exists, but by not having it in place would mean that the southern border would be even more out of control than it now is. The real solution will come when Republicans have full power and they can enact Asylum reform in which people are not allowed asylum simply because they say "I'm fearful."
what a woefully misinformed comment. my son and his wife have financially sponsored 3 asylum seekers since last halloween night. the father was a gov't employee in a south american country. his choice was to participate in corruption under threat, escape, or likely end up face down in a ditch. they were granted asylum (process) at the border by DHS because of his former job. I eagerly invite any lowlife unamerican xenophobes that want them to leave so badly to try and collect my extended family members from me, personally.
So you think if someone says "I am fearful" they should be granted asylum?
Sounds like a dumb-as-fuck invitation.
it is, to lowlife unamerican xenophobes...
it's funny, it seems the loudest voices crying about an influx alleged undesirables now, are the descendants of those immigrants that should've been considered as least desirable for entry then...
Or to any thinking person.
Yup - 1492 would be the perfect date to get the Illegal Aliens started on their deportments.
They were DEFINITELY "least desirable".
He's a wonderful human being.
I am shocked to learn that you have a son.
Glad to hear it.
And you still don't know the difference between legal and illegal immigration.
Nations get to control who and how many get to enter or become citizens.
I have 2 sons, be double shocked.
funny how there's a shortage of republican preferred immigrants that wish to enter...
You mean LEGAL IMMIGRANTS!
no, I mean white people...
Democrats are often confused by that word "legal" and like to pretend that Republicans are against immigration.
nice scam y'all got going on that!
People from advanced nations don't migrate. It's the third world looking to migrate.
Don't worry, we all know what you meant.
Don't worry, we all know what YOU meant
I'm not sure you know.
Sure they do. They come for family, work and school every year.
not to mention all the irish and italians that disappear into the woodwork on visitor visas...
I guess we have to have Vic define what he considers advanced nations.
Are we comparing countries by how many nukes they have or
by how of many those countries' citizens
don't have indoor plumbing yet?
Those results are actually shitty...
but favor the USA.
there's probably a color chart, kind of like what dentists have...
oops sorry, too off white...
Asylum policy should give more weight to the needs of the country they are trying to get into than the ones wanting in
Thank you! When I am in D.C. again, I shall give your suggestion to my contacts living in the basement of the Washington Monument to pass on to POTUS.
Nah - you can't do that. Biden lives in the basement and is only let out when his handlers think he's manageable. Boy, has he got them fooled.
What would Susan Rice do?
We’ve been witnessing it since Jan 2020.
Just feral cats right?
no, unwanted illegal invaders.
Exactamundo! Funny that the great majority of US citizens of Mexican American heritage and legal residents here on the border do not want the illegals here!
I honestly think they are actually talking about cats.
Yep!
That's what I call them
Yet you claim you don't dehuminize them?
the US needs access to new gene pools. look at what red state inbreeding has done to our nation and gov't. /s
Why is there a "/s" at the end of your comment?
oops, LOL...
uh oh, she's a hopin' her sisters don't get jealous...
The posts here, centered on sex, remind me of pubescent boys trying to one-up each other in the schoolyard.
Hopefully the conversation will mature faster than the posters have.
oops, sorry. I didn't know she was a family friend...
Yeah, I know.
She isn't but it is interesting you could produce a photo of her pretty damn fast! And thanks for continuing to prove this right:
“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”
― Ronald Reagan
I didn't post that picture. raygun has had satan's dick down his throat in hell since he croaked.
Please stop advertising in the comments section.
Are you buying, selling or trading sex?
All advertising on NewStalkers should be paid for .
Maybe you can market SEX NFTs with Trump's NFT distributor.
Trump Trading Cards Account Also Used To Buy Erotic Art
The online profile that sold Donald Trump 's non-fungible token (NFT) collection has also been trading in sexually explicit art.
The TrumpDeployer account, which housed the former president's "digital trading cards" on the NFT trading platform OpenSea, is also being used to purchase other online collectables that are pornographic in nature.
As well as more traditional NFTs, such as those from the popular Bored Ape Club, the TrumpDeployer account has traded several NFTs with an account called Freiburg, which sells "erotical art" featuring naked women and penetrative sex.
According to data available on the OpenSea website, the TrumpDeployer account has traded 14 erotic NFTs since it was set up nearly three weeks ago.
It is unclear who is behind the TrumpDeployer account, and there is nothing stopping them trading other NFTs while selling those from the former president.
A Q&A section on the Collect Trump Cards website states that money raised from the sale of the online tokens, drawn by illustrator Clark Mitchell, will not be used for Trump's 2024 presidential campaign.
The Collect Trump Cards website adds that the company behind the cards, NFT INT LLC, is "not owned, managed or controlled by Donald J. Trump or The Trump Organization" and they were created using Trump's name, likeness and image under a paid license.
Trump was widely mocked for teasing a "major announcement" which later turned out to be NFTs of him dressed in a number of guises such as a cowboy and astronaut.
LOL
Well, i was totally grossed out.
I was enjoying surfing the net looking for "erotical art".
I was innocently searching for some "girl on girl on goat" pornographic art.
Then, I was suddenly confronted with revolting fucking Donald Trump NFTs.
It was nauseating.
What a fucking soft-on!
I'm amazed!
You have once again demonstrated your proficiency with magic.
Your comments magically disappear before I read them.
Sorry, butt you're going to have to play with yourself.
Please stop hitting on me.
>yawn<
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LOL