DRAFT DODGERS Do Not Deserve A MILITARY PARADE!

  
By:  eat-the-press-do-not-read-it  •  2 weeks ago  •  551 comments

DRAFT DODGERS Do Not Deserve A MILITARY PARADE!
"He's a good man. We should let him do his job. His job is golfing!" Jonathan Simpleton

What is it going to take for Americans to realize that Trump wants to be our dictator? Why is the Military too timid to stand up to this imposter in the Whitehouse? 

Please, for the sake of our country, boycott Trump's hijacking of our nation's celebration of INDEPENDENCE by turning it into a TAXPAYERS funded "Re-Election" for America's first FAKE POTUS, real POS!

July 4th is a day of Celebration for the People of this Nation, not a Russian styled display of Tanks, Missiles, and Planes to promote the "WANNA BE DICTATOR" IN THE WHITEHOUSE!


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It Is ME
1  It Is ME    2 weeks ago

"July 4th is a day of Celebration for the People of this Nation, not a Russian styled display of Tanks, Missiles, and Planes to promote the "WANNA BE DICTATOR" IN THE WHITEHOUSE!"

France Sucks !

The United Kingdom Sucks !

Just sayin'. jrSmiley_34_smiley_image.gif

BUUUUUUTT ….…. Bowe Bergdahl was GREAT ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1  Sparty On  replied to  It Is ME @1    2 weeks ago
Bowe Bergdahl was GREAT

So is their American Talibabba John Walker Lindh, who walks free today as well

Those two go together like peas and carrots

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Sparty On @1.1    2 weeks ago
So is their American Talibabba John Walker Lindh, who walks free today. They go together like peas and carrots

And the "Left" bitches about "Money" for this Trump idea, yet doesn't say ANYTHING about the "Lives" cost by those two !

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.1.2  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

The discussion is about the use of federal funds to promote a "so-called" president who dodged the draft five times. It is not about the crimes of other traitors, only this one.800

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1.2    2 weeks ago
The discussion is about the use of federal funds to promote a "so-called" president who dodged the draft five times.

No !

it's about "Independents day", which folks will shell out numerous bucks , even their HARD EARNED TAKE HOME PAY, to celebrate !

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1.4  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.3    2 weeks ago
it's about "Independents day"

We have no day...only our forlorn hopes and dreams. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.4    2 weeks ago
We have no day...only our forlorn hopes and dreams. 

I've been LIVING my hopes and dreams.

What have you been doing ?

Forlorning still ?

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.4    2 weeks ago

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cjcold
1.1.7  cjcold  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.4    2 weeks ago

Never had a political party. Likely never will. Most times lean liberal, sometimes don't.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1.8  cjcold  replied to  Sparty On @1.1    2 weeks ago

Sometimes children don't acclimate well to war.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.2  WallyW  replied to  It Is ME @1    2 weeks ago

The [deleted] forgets that the parades, fireworks, and the other celebrations of our independence are for the people, not the powers that be.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.2.1  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  WallyW @1.2    2 weeks ago

Not this July 4th PARADE.

It is all about promoting TRUMP'S re-election campaign by illegally using government funds to promote this LIFETIME Career Criminal.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.2.2  r.t..b...  replied to  WallyW @1.2    2 weeks ago
parades, fireworks, and the other celebrations are for the people,

Any public groundswell for tanks? Though there may be now, as the toadies croak in unflinching devotion.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  WallyW @1.2    2 weeks ago
The unpatriotic author forgets that the parades, fireworks, and the other celebrations of our independence are for the people, not the powers that be.

The Towns and Cities use the "Peoples" tax monies to pay for those costs !

That's okay though. It's not Trump !

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.1    2 weeks ago
It is all about promoting TRUMP'S re-election campaign by illegally using government funds to promote this LIFETIME Career Criminal.

Bullshit .... that's just a steaming pile of BS served up by the TDS ridden.

But hey ..... Happy 4th to you and all Americans!

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.2.5  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.3    2 weeks ago

I served three years in the United States Army. From 1965 -1966, I was stationed in Vietnam in PhuBia, 12 clicks from Hue, which was attacked by the
Viet Cong.

I served with the 8th RRU. If you served your country in the military, then, you will know what that means.

I do not have to prove my patriotism to anyone.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.6  It Is ME  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.5    2 weeks ago
I do not have to prove my patriotism to anyone.

"Independence Day" isn't about "Proving" anything. It's to "celebrate" PATRIOTS like you !

Is it that you're Shy, and don't want praise for your service ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  WallyW @1.2    2 weeks ago
'The [deleted] forgets that the parades, fireworks, and the other celebrations of our independence are for the people, not the powers that be.'

The unpatriotic turd of a 'president' forgets that the parades, fireworks, and the other celebrations of our independence are for the people,  not the turd 'president'

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.2.8  livefreeordie  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.5    2 weeks ago

Kerry served in Nam and then came home and became a traitor working with North Vietnam to defeat the US

so we honor service but they are separate from civilian actions for or against our country

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.3    2 weeks ago

The Towns and Cities use the "Peoples" tax monies to pay for those costs !

Ours doesn't.  Our parade and fireworks are financed from money generated from our high school being used for filming.  We did make enough this year to cover the fireworks, just the parade.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.10  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.9    2 weeks ago
We did make enough this year to cover the fireworks, just the parade.

Did,,,, or did not ?

 
 
 
CB
1.2.11  CB   replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

This is ridiculous! Some 'whiny' conservatives cried foul over nearly every effort by former President Obama activities to heal the land. Now, throw some hand-outs in the form of subsidies and President Trump can 'blow' millions on a thrill-seeking mission while some conservatives 'hit' the internet forums defending the absurd.

Newstalkers, I warned you at the start of the Trump presidency. What this lying president giveth with one hand, he will taketh away with the other hand. Ouch!

Where are some good republicans the nation can count on in real-time?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.12  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.10    2 weeks ago

Make that "did not".  Nice catch.

 
 
 
PJ
1.2.13  PJ  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.6    2 weeks ago

Independence day isn't about the military.  That's just one small part of the country asserting it's independence.  

Why am I not surprised how easily manipulated the base is.....tell them they get to see a couple tanks and all the sudden the 4th of July is only about the military. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.2.14  dennis smith  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.5    2 weeks ago

I served just under 2 yers in the US Army 1966-1968, 8 months in country including during the TET offensive in Cu CHI with the 25th Inf, was sent home wounded Being in country so I know what serving means.

It is NOT all about TRUMP's reelection campaign any more than any other POTUS on the 4th of July.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
1.2.15  XXJefferson#51  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.3    2 weeks ago

Well said and right on, both of you! jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.5    2 weeks ago
I served with the 8th RRU. If you served your country in the military, then, you will know what that means.

I served but was in the Air Force from 1987 to 1996 so I don't know what that means.

 
 
 
Snuffy
1.2.17  Snuffy  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.5    2 weeks ago
I served with the 8th RRU. If you served your country in the military, then, you will know what that means.

Damn,  hats off sir.  How many times did Radio Hanoi have you killed?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.18  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @1.2.14    2 weeks ago
It is NOT all about TRUMP's reelection campaign any more than any other POTUS on the 4th of July. 

Name another POTUS that gave a speech on the Mall during the Official 4th of July.

Name another POTUS that handed out tickets to donors and political appointees for VIP access to the Official 4th of July celebration on the Mall. 

Name another POTUS that forced the Interior Department or the DOD to spend millions to exhibit Military might to stroke his ego. 

You can't because NO other POTUS has EVER been so overtly narcissistic as to make America's Official 4th of July celebration about them. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.19  JohnRussell  replied to  Dulay @1.2.18    2 weeks ago

It's hard to imagine Trump doing all this and then not mentioning how great he thinks he is. 

If he even mentions his administration in his speech it will be a disgrace. The 4th of July is non partisan. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.20  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.8    2 weeks ago
Kerry served in Nam and then came home

Yes he did. 

and became a traitor working with North Vietnam to defeat the US

Utter bullshit. 

so we honor service but they are separate from civilian actions for or against our country

Those of us who actually honor their service also honor the spoken witness of their service. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.21  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.12    2 weeks ago
Make that "did not".  Nice catch.

Most (99%) Towns, Cities, and even States don't worry about "Contributions" . They just do !

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.22  It Is ME  replied to  PJ @1.2.13    2 weeks ago
Independence day isn't about the military.

Really ?

How did we ACTUALLY gain our independence from England then ?

Tanks are cool. I've always been fascinated with the Mechanized side of the Military.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
1.2.23  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Dulay @1.2.18    2 weeks ago

well a quick search shows that every president since Reagan has given a speech on the 4th of july at some point in their terms , albeit , not on the national mall JFK even gave one in philidelpia in 62 where the DoI was signed.

I can be pretty sure each and every one of them gave away VIP tickets to these speeches , those people are usually known as "guests of the president"

last time I can  think of that the military was requested to put up an exibit of military hardware in DC  for the 4th was in 1991 and that time also included tanks.

I love the internet search functions.

 
 
 
PJ
1.2.24  PJ  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.22    2 weeks ago

So.....no one outside of the military helped forge our Independence. 

  • None of the families of soldiers that died
  • None of the patriots who couldn't fight but helped spread the word
  • None of the patriots who couldn't fight but helped mend the wounded
  • None of the patriots who couldn't fight but helped feed the soldiers
  • None of the patriots who gave their lives as spies

Interesting that you don't think anyone but soldiers contributed to our Independence.

 
 
 
PJ
1.2.25  PJ  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.2.23    2 weeks ago

And I love the excuses by the avid supporters

 
 
 
PJ
1.2.26  PJ  replied to  Dulay @1.2.20    2 weeks ago
Those of us who actually honor their service also honor the spoken witness of their service. 

and others honor a man who lied about bone spurs to get out of service. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.27  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.22    2 weeks ago

How did we ACTUALLY gain our independence from England then ?

We gained our independence by declaring it. The war was because the British didnt want to leave. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
1.2.28  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  PJ @1.2.13    2 weeks ago
Independence day isn't about the military.  That's just one small part of the country asserting it's independence.  

I don't know PJ, maybe its a matter of perception.

I grew up just outside of Boston, every 4th parade I went to as a kid had a pretty large military presence. Be it a fife and drum group dressed in garb of the colonial era, or past veterans riding down the street in open cars in the uniforms of the conflicts they had served in from WW1 on up to the present day, there was always a military color guard leading with the national colors, be they active , National guard or supplied by a VFW or American legion group, some times there were more than one , one from each of those groups.

What I always got from those parades was , even though the DoI was a statement of that fact that a free people should always have a choice in how they are governed , that freedom to do so sometimes has to be fought for with force of arms , The DoI was signed long before there was actual independence , it had to be wrested and secured and preserved , not only by the force of will, but with the force of arms when the need arose.

To me the 4th is a celebration of our independace and self governance , and an annual recommitment of a statement that those freedoms  spoke of in that document , this we will defend , militarily if need be.

How I personally observe the 4th now has changed since I was younger , now it is done in quiet contemplation and rememberance of the ideals enshrined and instilled in the DoI, and to uphold those ideals and Ideas , has since its signing has changed the very face of not only this nation, but in some cases the very face of the world we are but a small part of , and those changes have come with a very human cost.

This is just my own humble observations of course ,  I end this  with wishing all a very happy 4th of July.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.29  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.27    2 weeks ago
We gained our independence by declaring it.

It was soooo serene. The sunsets were beautiful ! jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
1.2.30  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  PJ @1.2.25    2 weeks ago

Avid supporter? didn't vote for the man , and still don't like the man, remember our conversations in 16 before the elections , and my deciding to vote 3rd party. or are you just upset I dislike the side opposed to him as well?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.31  Dulay  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.2.23    2 weeks ago
well a quick search shows that every president since Reagan has given a speech on the 4th of july at some point in their terms , albeit , not on the national mall JFK even gave one in philidelpia in 62 where the DoI was signed.

Albeit NOT on the National Mall was the WHOLE POINT of my comment. 

last time I can think of that the military was requested to put up an exibit of military hardware in DC for the 4th was in 1991 and that time also included tanks.

That was on June 8, 1991 and was the victory in the Gulf War celebration. 

Opps...

I love the internet search functions.

Me too...

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.32  It Is ME  replied to  PJ @1.2.24    2 weeks ago

It's one thing to Write something on a piece of paper, or hang around waaaaaaaay behind the "Fighting" lines....It's another thing to put yourself in the actual line of FIRE where one can actually DIE !

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.33  Dulay  replied to  PJ @1.2.26    2 weeks ago

We used to have coming home parties in the late 60's and early 70's. They started out a celebration of survival and all too many ended up with sober testimony of the nightmare they lived while in country. All we could do was show them the respect they deserved and LISTEN to their anger and pain. 

 
 
 
PJ
1.2.34  PJ  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.32    2 weeks ago

I find your perspective lacking and narrow minded. It makes complete sense to me that you are infatuated with trump. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.35  It Is ME  replied to  PJ @1.2.34    2 weeks ago
I find your perspective lacking and narrow minded.

And your "BROAD" perspective drew you to that conclusion..... How ?

" It makes complete sense to me that you are infatuated with trump. "

I only do the "Infatuation" thingy over "Results" !

What "Person" are you still "Infatuated" over ?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
1.2.36  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Dulay @1.2.31    2 weeks ago
Albeit NOT on the National Mall was the WHOLE POINT of my comment

So as long as it was in some OTHER city,there would not have been a problem ? say in Philli where the DoI was signed , or in Boston , where the revolution started for some , or New York where the federal government took up residence before Dc became a thing? or is it just the man himself ? which is what I think it is ,then none of the others should have spoken either anywhere nor should any in the future be able to on that day.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
1.2.37  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.2.28    2 weeks ago

These are the principles and ideals I celebrate on the 4th, the preamble of the DoI. I wonder how long its been since some have actually took the time to read and understand it , and realize , this is what some of us actually celebrate.

In Congress, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.2.38  livefreeordie  replied to  Dulay @1.2.20    2 weeks ago

He certainly was a traitor

https://americanpatriotsagainstkerry.wordpress.com/john-kerry-meeting-north-vietnamese-in-paris/

And anecdotally I met Kerry in 1974 with a Veterans group. He was there meeting with us on behalf of McGovern.   He badmouthed our country and the military throughout the meeting and I’ve despised him ever since. I will never stop calling him the dirty traitor that he is.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.2.39  livefreeordie  replied to  PJ @1.2.24    2 weeks ago

It’s all about the soldier and liberty. It’s not civilians who put their lives on the line for liberty

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.40  Dulay  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.2.36    2 weeks ago
So as long as it was in some OTHER city,there would not have been a problem ?

Exactly. 

or is it just the man himself ?

Yes, it's 'JUST' Trump, making the celebration of our country's independence in our country's capitol, all about HIM...

Trump wanted a military parade, with tanks and planes and jets and troops.

Trump wants to make a speech on the Mall and by god, Trump gets what he wants. 

Trump gave the RNC, his donors and political appointees VIP seats so they can clap and cheer on cue during his 'bone spur patriot' speech. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.41  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.38    2 weeks ago
He certainly was a traitor

You really should review the legal definition of traitor LFOD. 

That you would link a site the cites Jerry Corsi is all I need to know...

I will never stop calling him the dirty traitor that he is.

Then you do so through willful ignorance. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.42  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.39    2 weeks ago
It’s not civilians who put their lives on the line for liberty

So those who signed the DoI don't qualify. Got ya. 

Thousands of people who aren't soldiers put their lives on the line for this country every day. Sheesh. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
1.2.44  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Dulay @1.2.40    2 weeks ago

Welp, the only answer I can possibly have is: the ONLY way trump can make something about him , is if someone LETS him, and lets him change the narrative of what is being celebrated . I cannot imagine anyone letting someone like that live rent free in their mind to the point of actually ignoring what the day is really about for themselves irregardless of whatever he may say or do, but it appears he has done it.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.2.45  r.t..b...  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.39    2 weeks ago
It’s not civilians who put their lives on the line for liberty

Unbelievable. Don't for a second discount the heroes in law enforcement and firefighters who risk their lives with every shift securing our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And you should know that.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.2.46  livefreeordie  replied to  Dulay @1.2.41    2 weeks ago

I know the definition very well and Kerry fits it exactly.  He admitted before Congress in 1971 that he met with the Communist Vietnamese that we were at war with in May 1970 in Paris.  He told them and Congress that he supported the North Vietnamese "peace plan" (for us to surrender Vietnam). 

He failed to mention to Congress that he was still a Naval Reserve Officer at the time he met with and gave aid and comfort to our enemy.

https://americanpatriotsagainstkerry.wordpress.com/john-kerry-meeting-north-vietnamese-in-paris/

He's a traitor who should be tried, convicted [Deleted.]  He's never stopped being a traitor.

Later as a member of Congress he engaged in the same traitorous support of another enemy, the Sandinista of Nicaragua, meeting with Daniel Ortega and supporting the communists there against US efforts to stop the Russian influence and attempt to control Central America

On the eve of a major Senate vote on the issue of aid, John Kerry and Tom Harkin jetted off to Managua for a weekend of intensive talks with Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega. The pair departed after holding a press conference to announce a study which listed dozens of supposed lies that the Reagan administration had told Congress and 15 allegations of law breaking (the study was done by the hard-left Institute for Policy Studies). Kerry and Harkin returned with a three page"peace proposal" given to them by Ortega.

Then-secretary of State George Shultz was outraged."It's presumably not lawful for citizens to appoint themselves as negotiators for the United States," Shultz declared."Members of Congress have every right to travel to Nicaragua to review the situation, but we cannot have a successful policy when they take trips or write 'Dear Commandante' letters with the aim of negotiating as self-appointed emissaries to the communist regime." Shultz called for the censure of the two senators. Charles Krauthammer, writing at the time, accurately observed that"[a]t their arrival home, only the umbrella was missing." Senator Richard Lugar remarked that"[m]ost Republicans were absolutely enraged with the Kerry-Harkin mission. That was absolutely the last straw." The Los Angeles Times reported anger among moderate Democrats as well, who" complained privately that the Harkin-Kerry trip made their party look pro-Sandinista."

 
 
 
PJ
1.2.47  PJ  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.35    2 weeks ago
What "Person" are you still "Infatuated" over

Myself, I'm pretty fabulous and totally exceptional.  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.2.48  livefreeordie  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.45    2 weeks ago

I have families members in law enforcement and also firefighters.  I defend and honor them all the time.  But none of them would make such an idiotic statement to suggest that they put their lives on the line to defend liberty.

 
 
 
PJ
1.2.49  PJ  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.2.30    2 weeks ago

I find it striking that you broadly say you dislike the side opposed to a rapist, misogynist, cheating, corrupt, lying man whose been accused of rape from multiple women.

I find it striking that you broadly say you dislike anyone who opposes this man without stating any policies that you find are more harmful than what this man represents.  In other words you hate anyone who isn't donald trump for no other reason than they don't like a rapist........weird.

Claiming you voted for someone else and you don't like him means nothing when you still defend him.

"yeah, i don't like that he grabs pussies.......but I don't like those who oppose him even more than rape".

"yeah, i don't like that he lies everyday and bullies women........but I don't like those who oppose him even more than his lies and bullying".

"yeah, i don't like that he has ostracized our allies and has put the country as risk.........but I don't like those who oppose him more than I love my country".

It's nothing more than those on this site who "claim" they are independent but their actions and comments show something very different.

I won't be tuning in tomorrow to listen to a rapist divide the country even more but it sounds like you're shitting your pants to get a front row seat.  Wear your kilt.

 
 
 
PJ
1.2.50  PJ  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.39    2 weeks ago

I disagree.  Feel free to skip over my comments going forward.  You have nothing to say that I would find remotely intelligent or worthwhile. 

I've served this country for over 26 years keeping it's citizens safe without a gun so you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.2.51  Raven Wing  replied to  PJ @1.2.50    2 weeks ago

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Raven Wing
1.2.52  Raven Wing  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.39    2 weeks ago
It’s not civilians who put their lives on the line for liberty

You mean those like Trump?

 
 
 
CB
1.2.53  CB   replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.45    2 weeks ago

And don't leave out regular ordinary folks who do the hard work of bringing up a new generation of citizens and those folks doing without much of a dream in this land of milk and honey. against all the utter nonsense, disrespect, and never-ending 'see-sawing' of individual rights and privileges in this county. There are forces at work in our land which make every day a battlefield experience on the psyche and physical body!

 
 
 
CB
1.2.54  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.48    2 weeks ago

Hilarious!

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.55  Dulay  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.2.44    2 weeks ago
I cannot imagine anyone letting someone like that live rent free in their mind to the point of actually ignoring what the day is really about for themselves irregardless of whatever he may say or do, but it appears he has done it.

Who said anything about ignoring what the day is really about? I for one will be spending the day  with family and neighbors in my back yard around the fire pit. I made potato salad.

Once the assholes down the block start with their fireworks [more like bombs], I will be acting as a thunder shirt for my 90 lb. dog. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.56  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.46    2 weeks ago

That's a pretty big jug of koolaid you're swilling...

Perhaps you can tell me when Congress declared war with Vietnam. Because if we were not 'at war', Kerry can't be a traitor. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
1.2.57  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  PJ @1.2.49    2 weeks ago

Ah you assume I dislike the side opposing him because of... well just about everything you stated, when in fact the opposing side has yet to come up with anything I consider my best interests in my view and opinion for me to vote for them,  notice I used of the word "dislike" in both posts not hate .

 everyone is free to speak their mind, as for what I dislike about the current occupant of the Oval office , well the freedom of speech also includes the right NOT to speak,  but I will say I do not think he or the party he represents have come up with anything that I would say are in my best interests either.

 MY actions  have been right in line with pretty much as I have always presented myself , one that is fiscally conservative , with what some would consider liberal social leanings dependent on the issue/ subject.and on some issues I have a conservative take.

to some I am not liberal enough , to some I am not conservative enough , to that I say, DILLIGAF? The degree of conservatism/ liberalism is entirely dependent on the issue, as far as I am concerned. What I find is usually the case is that people don't get upset because of what I think , but get upset because I may disagree with them with what is in MY best interests,, and not theirs.

 As for crapping myself to get that front row seat , I haven't listened to a presidential speech in over 30 years unless it has been about a verified attack on this nation . So I will be joining you in not listening , as for the kilt , they are much cooler in the hot weather , so I cant rule out or in if it will be worn.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.58  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.2.56    2 weeks ago
Perhaps you can tell me when Congress declared war with Vietnam. Because if we were not 'at war', Kerry can't be a traitor.

That is certainly very disrespectful to anyone who served in Viet Nam.

Using your "logic", Kerry couldn't have been a prisoner-of-war and no should have received a Bronze Star, either.

Doesn't that sound the least bit silly?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.59  Dulay  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.19    2 weeks ago

Trump's last two 4th speeches have been short, under 9 minutes. We can only hope that he'll follow his own standards and make it short. 

I doubt it. He's too much of a narcissist and he loves the spotlight too much. If Stephen Miller gets ahold of the speech, Trump is sure to self aggrandize. 

I won't be watching, I can't stomach him. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.60  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.2.59    2 weeks ago
I won't be watching, I can't stomach him.

You'll watch or read about it. You won't be able to help yourself.

Man, I wonder if the nation will survive if you don't watch?

I bet Trump will be so upset when he hears about this!

YES, THAT IS /S

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.2.61  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  dennis smith @1.2.14    2 weeks ago

Dennis:  This 4th of July the Commander - In - Sane demanded that the military bring out the tanks, artillery, missiles and troops marching through Washington, D.C., not as a CELEBRATION of our Independence, rather as a GROSS DISPLAY OF MILITARY might.

That has nothing to do with July 4th, and, everything to do with this DRAFT DODGING, third generation CRIMINAL.

Patriotism is not limited to those who served in combat.


 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.62  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.58    2 weeks ago
That is certainly very disrespectful to anyone who served in Viet Nam.

Please explain how facts can be 'disrespectful'? 

Using your "logic", Kerry couldn't have been a prisoner-of-war

Kerry WASN'T a POW. 

and no should have received a Bronze Star, either.

I'm taking the liberty of interpreting that to mean that Kerry shouldn't have been given the Bronze Star. 

READ the citation for yourself:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bronze_Star_Citation_-_John_Kerry

Doesn't that sound the least bit silly?

Actually, your comment is way more than silly...

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.63  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.60    2 weeks ago
You'll watch or read about it. You won't be able to help yourself.

Oh I will easily 'help myself' on taking a pass on watching Trump's ego play. DC is an hour earlier than we are here and the party lasts till 8. I WILL have PBS's 'A Capitol Fourth' concert on in the house, which starts AFTER Trump's ego play and just before the fireworks in DC. 

Man, I wonder if the nation will survive if you don't watch?

I won't be the only one that won't watch.

I bet Trump will be so upset when he hears about this!

How much? 

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.67  cjcold  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.6    2 weeks ago

And here I thought it was all about kicking the limeys out.

 
 
 
Don Overton
1.2.68  Don Overton  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.32    2 weeks ago

Too many trump lovers know nothing about that

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.69  cjcold  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

Trump's folks shipped him off to military school for a reason. Seems the discipline didn't take.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.2.70  FLYNAVY1  replied to  PJ @1.2.24    2 weeks ago

The scores of women that made saltpeter for gunpowder........

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.71  It Is ME  replied to  cjcold @1.2.67    2 weeks ago
And here I thought it was all about kicking the limeys out.

And who pray tell.....did that ?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.72  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.5    2 weeks ago
I do not have to prove my patriotism to anyone.

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I do enjoy how these "patriots" keep voting for chickenshits like Shitbag who had the unmitigated chutzpah in his yesterday's "Aint I Wonderful" 47 minute drone to urge people to join the military.   Just more evidence of the complete lack of self-awareness of his own staggering cowardice and malignant narcissism.  

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.73  cjcold  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.39    2 weeks ago

Pretty sure that we figured out a long time ago that the military shouldn't rule.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.74  cjcold  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.45    2 weeks ago

Used to be a paramedic and was treated in the ER almost as often as my patients.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.75  cjcold  replied to  PJ @1.2.47    2 weeks ago
Myself, I'm pretty fabulous and totally exceptional.  

I was going to say the same thing. You beat me to it.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.76  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.2.28    2 weeks ago
every 4th parade I went to as a kid had a pretty large military presence.

But, as you went on to point out it was never, EVER, militaristic with tanks on view and a speech that glorifies militarism.  Have you noticed how often Trump refers to "HIS military" and "HIS generals?"  That could be written off to his demented idea that being the C-in-C means the entire military belongs to him and it would follow that he must think he can do whatever he wants with it, whenever and wherever he wants--such as demanding tanks to be at "HIS" July 4th celebration.  Whatever the cause--senility or psychosis--this "man" has a perverted idea of how this country should be run. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.77  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.8    2 weeks ago
Kerry served in Nam and then came home and became a traitor working with North Vietnam to defeat the US

That's false.  He protested an illegal war entirely promoted by lies by both presidents who were in office for most of it.  

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.3  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  It Is ME @1    2 weeks ago

Have you ever been to France, or, the United Kingdom? Both of these countries sacrificed along with our citizens to make the world safer.

IT IS EASY, to sit on the sideline and criticize others than to pick up the torch and light the way for your generation.

Every generation has to re-dedicate itself to the principles of freedom for all, or, lose it to bums like Trump 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.3.1  It Is ME  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.3    2 weeks ago
Have you ever been to France, or, the United Kingdom?

Yep !

Apparently you didn't get the sarcasm in my comment !

Your "Projecter" light shines bright obeewanna-eat the press.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.3    2 weeks ago
IT IS EASY, to sit on the sideline and criticize others than to pick up the torch and light the way for your generation

We saw many pictures of Trump supporters picking up their torches in Charlottesville and none were flying American flags, just swastikas and confederate flags so we know who they really are. They are not patriots, they are not veterans, they are the fat lazy pieces of shit who imagine they are entitled to a privileged position in America simply because they are white and Christian. Much like their dear leader, they always take the easy way out. Let someone else do the work, then jump in when it's time to take credit like Trump is doing with the fourth of July.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.3.3  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.2    2 weeks ago
We saw many pictures of Trump supporters picking up their torches in Charlottesville and none were flying American flags, just swastikas and confederate flags

Reminds me of the Democrat debates I and II. Not an "American Flag" to be seen.

The Picture of the White House in the background was pretty though.

Very Pretty !

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I guess the need for a "White" home, is MOST important ……. for the NEEDY ?

 
 
 
WallyW
1.3.4  WallyW  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.3    2 weeks ago

Trump is trying to find pathways to peace, unlike his predecessors who were master appeasers.

Would you rather we go to war?.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.3.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @1.3.3    2 weeks ago

I'm not clear on why you posted that picture with your comment, but it is a very pretty picture.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.3.6  Raven Wing  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.3    2 weeks ago
IT IS EASY, to sit on the sideline and criticize others than to pick up the torch and light the way for your generation.Every generation has to re-dedicate itself to the principles of freedom for all, or, lose it to bums like Trump 

Very, very well said. jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.3.7  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.3.5    2 weeks ago
I'm not clear on why you posted that picture with your comment, but it is a very pretty picture..

It is....... But 

Just as pretty and clear as this, but just not much meaning to it in the debates:

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Don Overton
1.3.8  Don Overton  replied to  WallyW @1.3.4    2 weeks ago

You are very funny with that first comment

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.3.9  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.3    2 weeks ago

A simple walk through Arlington, Gettysburg, or Antietam should be used to educate every generation of Americans.

Or better yet, the Colleville-sur-Mer cemetary in Normandy, and then visit Auschwitz and Berknou to understand those laid to rest on foreign soil.

Patriotism is nothing more than doing a tough job, that has to get done, that nobody wants to do for the betterment of those you will never know.  By this simple definition, our congress contains very few patriots.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.3.10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @1.3.3    2 weeks ago
Not an "American Flag" to be seen.

Wrapping in (or wrapping around) the flag is in no way a sign of patriotism.  Shitbag's an unmitigated coward and draft-dodger is Exhibit A of that fact.  Just as in everything else he does, it's just a carnival grifter's schtick. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.3.11  It Is ME  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.3.10    2 weeks ago
Wrapping in (or wrapping around) the flag is in no way a sign of patriotism. 

What's this countries flag again ?

Maybe the "Flag" of Iran is more to your liking …..Namibia, maybe Afghanistan or Iraq ?

Maybe the "Palestinian" Flag ?

Weird !

You do live in "THIS COUNTRY" …… right ?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.3.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.3.10    2 weeks ago
Wrapping in (or wrapping around) the flag is in no way a sign of patriotism.

But his followers sure seem to like it when he grabs a flag by its pupupu...pole, and starts dry humping it.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.3.13  cjcold  replied to  It Is ME @1.3.11    2 weeks ago

And some of us don't want to go to war no more.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.3.14  MUVA  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.3.10    2 weeks ago

Does that statement include flag draped coffins of our fallen soldiers and did you serve?  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.3.15  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MUVA @1.3.14    2 weeks ago
Does that statement include flag draped coffins of our fallen soldiers and did you serve? 

That reminds me of the last Republican president's order to NOT ALLOW the press show those those coffins coming back from Iraq in numbers that showed how he and other major R-Shitbags like Rumsfeld and Darth Cheney were telling the American people.  Funny coincidence--Bush was also foisted on the American people by the EC.  Seems like that process leads to disaster every time its employed.  

And although it's none of your fukking business,  yes I served.  What about it? 

 
 
 
Don Overton
1.4  Don Overton  replied to  It Is ME @1    2 weeks ago

I feel sorry for you.  You must really ate America

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Don Overton @1.4    2 weeks ago
I feel sorry for you. You must really ate America

All of it, or just a few states?

LOL!

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.4.2  It Is ME  replied to  Don Overton @1.4    2 weeks ago
You must really ate America

I'll order "America" any day of the week . It's still a "FREE" CHOICE for citizens …… for now anyway !

 
 
 
Don Overton
1.4.3  Don Overton  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.1    2 weeks ago

The entire country

And unlike you I don't keyboard so well any more

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.5  Freedom Warrior  replied to  It Is ME @1    2 weeks ago

You’re afraid of Trump, that’s fucking laugh riot, we already have the rift of a dystopian future here in California aided by folks that think like you and your cohorts 

 
 
 
Sparty On
2  Sparty On    2 weeks ago

I say .... when i see seeds like this i think of how bad the TDS still is for some.

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And that's all i got to say about that .....

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @2    2 weeks ago

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cjcold
2.2  cjcold  replied to  Sparty On @2    2 weeks ago

You say TDS like it's a bad thing. I'm proud to have enough intelligence to be disgusted by him.

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @2.2    2 weeks ago

Never confuse “red ass” with “intelligence.”

 
 
 
cjcold
2.2.2  cjcold  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.1    2 weeks ago

I will never confuse a red state with having intelligence. Yes, I live in a red state.

 
 
 
lady in black
3  lady in black    2 weeks ago

Give him some GI Joes to play with...

Wanna be dictator in action.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1  r.t..b...  replied to  lady in black @3    2 weeks ago
Give him some GI Joes to play with...

GI Janes may be more to his liking. 'ten hut!'

 
 
 
cjcold
3.1.1  cjcold  replied to  r.t..b... @3.1    2 weeks ago

Are we talking nipples now?

 
 
 
cjcold
3.2  cjcold  replied to  lady in black @3    2 weeks ago

Still have the "mission accomplished" Bush doll in his flight suit. I flip it the bird on a regular basis.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.2.1  livefreeordie  replied to  cjcold @3.2    2 weeks ago

Why do you hate defeating evil. That was a proud moment for millions of us.  Bush may have been too liberal like his father, but the facts say that Saddam was militarily defeated and lost power through the Bush led military effort

Mission Accomplished!!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.1    2 weeks ago
'Why do you hate defeating evil. That was a proud moment for millions of us.  Bush may have been too liberal like his father, but the facts say that Saddam was militarily defeated and lost power through the Bush led military effort Mission Accomplished!!!'

BULLSHIT

Speak for yourself.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  cjcold @3.2    2 weeks ago

Hey, I want one of those.  I didn't start collecting in time to buy one.

I have a couple extra Obama Nobel Peace Prize dolls I can trade for it. Of course they have been used as chew toys by the dogs; so some teeth marks, slobber, and deformities are to be expected. Note: If you are a collector of other Nobel Peace Prize action figures or dolls they will give back their awards if you add this doll to your collection. Losing the awards devalues the dolls greatly, so be forewarned.

If those don't work I can offer a mint condition Obama "If you like your insurance you can keep it", and "If you like your doctor you can keep them" dolls. Of course it is defective; when you pull the string all that comes out is "You are sheep". The manufacturer said it is not a defect; and that is what Obama really meant to say. It cut down on production costs having just one line.

I absolutely refuse to part with my Hillary Clinton limited edition deplorables doll (unfortunately I can only take it to the leftist coasts. The manufacturer refuses to let the doll into any flyover state- to make sure it stays limited edition and authentic).

I am not sure any of my Trump dolls will interest you. They seem to offend any registered Democrat, and left leaning independent for no reason. Several of them don't even say anything. 

Let me know if we can work a deal.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.2.4  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.2    2 weeks ago

I did and for many of my fellow Veterans who agree with me on this.

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

Saddam was an evil piece of shit, just like Gaddafi in Libya. I am not shedding a tear for either one of them. However, removing both made their countries much worse; and destabilized the region.

We could have contained Saddam with Clinton's no fly zone and the Bush Sr embargo/sanctions forever. It would have been much cheaper than invading and trying our hand at another failed attempt at nation building. Handing Iraq over to Iran by allowing a Shia government to be installed. We wouldn't have ISIS/ISIL Sunni first trying to retake Iraq; next invading Syria and make that civil war much worse; or franchising out into Lebanon and Libya. 

https://www.france24.com/en/20181201-bitter-iraqis-remember-george-hw-bush-mr-embargo

https://www.historyguy.com/no-fly_zone_war.html

The only "Mission" Bush Jr "Accomplished" was making a never ending money black hole that has lasted long past his presidency; and tied up US troops in the ME for over 17 years.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.4    2 weeks ago

Again, speak for yourself.  Not the so-called proud moment for 'millions of us'

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.5    2 weeks ago
'However, removing both made their countries much worse; and destabilized the region.'

Mark it on the calendar.  I agree with you on this.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.8  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.6    2 weeks ago
Not the so-called proud moment for 'millions of us'

But for the "Multi-Millions", it's great  !

 
 
 
CB
3.2.9  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.4    2 weeks ago

Shameful. I supported the actions of the Bush Administration on going into Iraq, even listened to all the "evidence" on television and some on radio leading up to the start with "Shock and Awe" (fizzled.) Only to discover that Colin Powell was left defenseless and speechless when no WMD or chemical weapons 'piles' were found in Iraq!

We were lied to by VP Dick Cheney. Instead of you 'repenting' (as I did) of your assent to the invasion of Iraq to here you continue to mock truth is just too much! Shame!

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.2.10  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.7    2 weeks ago

I am a fiscal conservative only. 

My hard right friends flinch every time US military action is brought up around me.  They find it hilarious when people call me hard right.

We probably agree on more than you think. I just tend to come off as very conservative online.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.7    2 weeks ago

When it comes to the War in Iraq, I always agree with Ronin.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.12  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.1    2 weeks ago
Why do you hate defeating evil. That was a proud moment for millions of us.  Bush may have been too liberal like his father, but the facts say that Saddam was militarily defeated and lost power through the Bush led military effort Mission Accomplished!!!

So in May of 2003, you and millions were proud when Bush LIED when he said:

Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.

The photo op was great for Bush but NO ONE should have been proud and those still in the 'Sandbox' KNEW better...

Between 2004 and 2008, over 3700 Americans soldiers DIED in Iraq. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.2.13  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @3.2.9    2 weeks ago

You are deceived on Iraq by leftist propaganda. the decisions to go into both Afghanistan and Iraq were two decisions Bush actually got right

The war in Iraq was a legal response and obligation by the US to the material breach of a truce with Saddam Hussein.

In May 2003, two months after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Clinton said that he supported President George W. Bush’s authority “to stand up against weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,” according to The Associated Press. He was also quoted praising Bush’s early handling of the conflict, the AP reported.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/clinton-says-cheney-criticism-obama-iraq-was-unseemly-n139606

 Read the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq’s W.M.D programs. “Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade,” the report reads. The report goes on to say it has “high confidence” that “Iraq possesses proscribed chemical and biological weapons and missiles” and “Iraq could make a nuclear weapon in months to a year once it acquires sufficient weapons-grad fissile material.”

General Tommy Franks, who led the invasion of Iraq in 2003, writes in his book that he was not only told by Egyptian and Jordanian leaders that Iraq possessed W.M.D.s, he was also told that Saddam would use them against invading American troops.

2005’s bipartisan Robb-Silberman Commission.

“[W]e closely examined the possibility that intelligence analysts were pressured by policymakers to change their judgments about Iraq’s nuclear, biological, chemical weapons programs,” the report reads. “The analysts who worked Iraqi weapons issues universally agreed that in no instance did political pressure cause them to skew or alter any of their analytical judgments.”

http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/18/stop-it-liberals-bush-didnt-lie-about-iraq-having-wmds/2/

February 17, 1998: "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." -President Bill Clinton


September 3, 1998: Scott Ritter testifies before the U.S. Senate Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Relations on U.S. policy regarding Iraq weapons inspection and Iraq's capacity to reconstitute weapons of mass destruction in a very short period of time.
Iraq today is not disarmed, and remains an ugly threat to its neighbors and to world peace.  Those American who think that this is important and that something should be done about it have to be deeply disappointed in our leadership.

October 9, 1998: "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Senate Letter to President Clinton - Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others

January 11, 1999: US Secretary of Defense William Cohen responds to the statement of the Iraqi Parliament by noting that the United States had over 24,000 troops within striking distance of Iraq should that nation decide to move against its neighbors.

January 26, 1999 National Security Advisor Sandy Berger announces that President Clinton has changed the rules of engagement for US aircraft operating in Iraq, giving them much more authority to attack any part of the Iraqi air defense network.


 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.2.14  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @3.2.9    2 weeks ago

And this alone was sufficient reason to invade Iraq

Saddam Hussein paid out over 35 million dollars to Arab jihadists for killing Jews and Americans. The following Americans were killed by those who took Saddam's blood money. Leaving aside all other reasons, this alone was sufficient reason for the US to take out Saddam Hussein

According to employees of the Iraqi Central Bank and the Rafidain Bank, the former Iraqi ambassador to Jordan, Sabah Yassen, withdrew money from the accounts to make payments ranging from $15,000 to $25,000 to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, Hyde said.

Palestinians have said Saddam paid more than $35 million to families of Palestinians killed or wounded in the conflict with Israel that began in September 2000.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500257_162-656284.html

November 4, 2001, Jerusalem, Israel. Shoshana Ben-Yishai, 16, of Queens, NY was killed in a shooting at a bus station. U.S. citizen injured: Shlomo Kaye.

December 2, 2001, Jerusalem, Israel. Bombing on Ben-Yehuda Street, Jerusalem. U.S. citizens injured: Ziv Brill, 17, of West Hempstead, Long Island, NY, Temima Spetner, 19, of St. Louis, MI, Jason Kirshenbaum of New Rochelle, NY, Israel Hirschfield, 18, Joseph Leifer, 29, of Borough Park (Brooklyn), NY.

December 18, 2001, shooting on the Jerusalem-Shilo road. U.S. citizens injured: David Rubin, 44, of Brooklyn, NY, Asher "Ruby" Rubin, 3.

January 15, 2002, Bethlehem, West Bank. Avraham Boaz, 71, of New York, a dual Israeli-American citizen, was kidnapped at a PA security checkpoint in Beit Jala and murdered.

January 18, 2002: Shooting in Hadera. U.S. citizen killed: Aaron Elis, 32, son of Chicago family.

January 22, 2002: Shooting in Jerusalem, Israel. U.S. citizen injured: Shayna Gould, 19, of Chicago, IL

January 27, 2002, Jerusalem, Israel. A Palestinian woman triggered a massive explosion in downtown Jerusalem killing one elderly Israeli and injuring more than 150, including American Mark Sokolow, his wife, and 16 and 12-year-old daughters. Sokolow had earlier survived the September 11 attack on the World Trade Center, escaping from his law office on the 38th floor of the South Tower before it collapsed.

February 8, 2002, Jerusalem, Israel. Stabbing in Abu Tor Peace Forest Jerusalem. U.S. citizen killed: Moranne Amit, 25

February 15, 2002, near Ramallah, West Bank. Lee Akunis was shot to death.

February 16, 2002: Bombing in Karnei Shomron. U.S. citizens killed: Keren Shatsky, 14, of Brooklyn, NY and Maine, Rachel Thaler, 16, of Baltimore, MD. U.S. citizens injured: Lior Thaler, 14, of Baltimore, MD, Hillel Trattner of Chicago, IL, Ronit Yucht Trattner of Chicago, IL, Chani Friedman of New York.

February 19, 2002: Shooting near Neve Dekalim. U.S. citizens injured: Moshe Saperstein of New York.

February 25, 2002, Jerusalem, Israel. Moran Amit, 25, was stabbed to death in Abu Tor Peace Forest in Jerusalem.

March 7, 2002, Eshel Hashomron Hotel, Ariel, Israel. A Christian tourist from Arkansas lost her right eye in an attack by a suicide bomber.

March 21, 2002, Jerusalem, Israel. Bombing on a Jerusalem street. U.S. citizens injured: Alan Joseph Bauer, 37, of Chicago, Yonathon Bauer, 7 (dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship).

March 24, 2002, Ofra, Israel. Shooting near Ofra. U.S. citizens killed:    Esther Kleinman, 23, formerly of Chicago, IL.

March 27, 2002, Netanya, Israel. U.S. citizen Hannah Rogen, 90, was killed in a suicide attack at a Passover Seder.

March 31, 2002, Efrat, Israel. Bombing in Efrat. U.S. citizens injured:   An unidentified American citizen.

June 18, 2002, Jerusalem, Israel. Moshe Gottlieb, 70, of Los Angeles, CA was killed in a bus bombing in Jerusalem.

June 19, 2002, Jerusalem, Israel. Gila Sara Kessler, 19, whose family came from New York, was killed in a bombing at a bus stop.

July 31, 2002, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel. Nine people were killed when a bomb exploded in the main cafeteria at the Hebrew University's Mount Scopus campus in Jerusalem. Five were U.S. citizens: Janis Ruth Coulter, 36, of MA; Marla Bennet, 24, of San Diego, CA; David Gritz (also a French citizen), 24, of Peru, MA; Benjamin Blutstein, 25, of Susquehanna Township, PA; and Dina Carter, 37, of NC. Israelis David Ladovsky, 29, and Levina Shapira, 53 also died in the bombing. U.S. citizens injured: Spencer Dew, 26, of Owensboro, Kentucky; Zeev Spencer; Harris Gershon; Jamie Harris. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

March 5, 2003: Bus bombing in Haifa. U.S. citizens killed: Abigail Leitel, 14, who was born in Lebanon, New Hampshire.

March 7, 2003: Shooting in the victims’ home. U.S. citizens killed: Rabbi Eli Horowitz, 52, who grew up in Chicago; Dina Horowitz, 50, who grew up in Florida

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/usvictims.html

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.2.15  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @3.2.9    2 weeks ago

And Saddam confessed to his FBI interrogator that if we had lifted sanctions, he would have resumed all of his WMD programs including Nuclear weapons

FBI Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions

Tells 60 Minutes Former Iraqi Dictator Didn't Expect U.S. Invasion

That June 2000 speech was about weapons of mass destruction. In talking casually about that speech, Saddam began to tell the story of his weapons. It was a breakthrough that had taken five months.

"Oh, you couldn't imagine the excitement that I was feeling at that point," Piro remembers.

"And what did he tell you about how his weapons of mass destruction had been destroyed?" Pelley asks.

"He told me that most of the WMD had been destroyed by the U.N. inspectors in the '90s. And those that hadn't been destroyed by the inspectors were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq," Piro says.

"So why keep the secret? Why put your nation at risk, why put your own life at risk to maintain this charade?" Pelley asks.

"It was very important for him to project that because that was what kept him, in his mind, in power. That capability kept the Iranians away. It kept them from reinvading Iraq," Piro says.

Before his wars with America, Saddam had fought a ruinous eight year war with Iran and it was Iran he still feared the most.

"He believed that he couldn't survive without the perception that he had weapons of mass destruction?" Pelley asks.

"Absolutely," Piro says.

"As the U.S. marched toward war and we began massing troops on his border, why didn't he stop it then? And say, 'Look, I have no weapons of mass destruction.' I mean, how could he have wanted his country to be invaded?" Pelley asks.

"He didn't. But he told me he initially miscalculated President Bush. And President Bush's intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998 under Operation Desert Fox. Which was a four-day aerial attack. So you expected that initially," Piro says.

Piro says Saddam expected some kind of an air campaign and that he could he survive that. "He survived that once. And then he was willing to accept that type of attack. That type of damage," he says.

"Saddam didn't believe that the United States would invade," Pelley remarks.

"Not initially, no," Piro says.

"Once it was clear to him that there was going to be an invasion of the country. I mean, did he actually believe that his armies could win?" Pelley asks.

"No," Piro says. "What he had asked of his military leaders and senior government officials was to give him two weeks. And at that point it would go into what he called the secret war."

"The secret war. What did he mean?" Pelley asks.

"Going from a conventional to an unconventional war," Piro says.

"So the insurgency was part of his plan from the very beginning," Pelley remarks.

"Well, he would like to take credit for the insurgency," Piro says.

In fact, Piro says Saddam intended to produce weapons of mass destruction again, some day. "The folks that he needed to reconstitute his program are still there," Piro says.

"And that was his intention?" Pelley asks.

"Yes," Piro says.

"What weapons of mass destruction did he intend to pursue again once he had the opportunity?" Pelley asks.

"He wanted to pursue all of WMD. So he wanted to reconstitute his entire WMD program," says Piro.

"Chemical, biological, even nuclear," Pelley asks.

"Yes," Piro says.

http://tinyurl.com/245fkaa

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.16  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.13    2 weeks ago

March 2003

"They tried to assassinate my daddy, they have to pay" W. /s

 
 
 
CB
3.2.17  CB   replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.10    2 weeks ago

Interesting. I will try to remember this about you, Ronin. (Smile.)

 
 
 
CB
3.2.18  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.15    2 weeks ago

I am not going to read all that 'noise.'  One question:  Exactly how many WMD's did the United States and its allies bring out  or explode from Iraq during or after the fall of Bagdad, LFOD?

Just answer that one thing for me. Okay, I will be generous. As I do not and will not take time to rummage through your last round of links, point me to the one or several which discuss found WMD in Iraq after war (real or imagined).

 
 
 
CB
3.2.19  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.15    2 weeks ago
In fact, Piro says Saddam intended to produce weapons of mass destruction again, some day. "The folks that he needed to reconstitute his program are still there," Piro says."And that was his intention?" Pelley asks."Yes," Piro says."What weapons of mass destruction did he intend to pursue again once he had the opportunity?" Pelley asks."He wanted to pursue all of WMD. So he wanted to reconstitute his entire WMD program," says Piro. "Chemical, biological, even nuclear," Pelley asks."Yes," Piro says.

"Intended" - "Sinended." Our citizen's children were injuried horribly and killed (grave yard dead) and thousands of Iraq's brutalized and killed over "intentions" sold to the citizens of this country as evidential reality. It was not reality:

Watch the first three minutes of this Larry King interview with Colin Powell (after Iraq blew up in his and Cheney's face):

Then maybe you can stop - whatever it is you are doing.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
3.2.20  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.4    2 weeks ago

Obviously, then, we have different friends. Again, livefreeordie, patriotism is often-confused with the warm cocoon of bigotry, that always demands conformance. Often those who wear their "so-called" patriotism on their sleeves, or, constantly spraying from every drop of saliva from their non-stop yapping about what a GREAT HERO, are not.

Nor, do they respect the RIGHTS OF OTHERS, understand the Constitution or know much about the history and formation of this country.

We do not live in a dictatorship. Donald J. Trump is a criminal under numerous on-going investigations into a LIFETIME OF CRIME.

Russia has its financial claws in Trump since the late 1980s. Putin owns Trump!
He is not a patriot, not a president, not a national hero. He is a VOICE for the angry brigade of wannabe little despots that "bully" their way through life, confusing "intimidation", ignorance, boisterous behavior with bravery.

Always ready for a "fight", never ready to pitch in and help out! We call them "LOUD MOUTH, NO-NOTHINGS".


 
 
 
Don Overton
3.2.21  Don Overton  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.4    2 weeks ago

You must have a way limited Vets that you know

 
 
 
Don Overton
3.2.22  Don Overton  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.4    2 weeks ago

Can't believe a word you utter

 
 
 
cjcold
3.2.23  cjcold  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

[delete]

 
 
 
cjcold
3.2.24  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @3.2.23    2 weeks ago

[Removed

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.2.25  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.5    2 weeks ago

Spot on friggen target R2!  (This has to be a first.... Bit scary)

We destroyed Iraq which slid the balance of power to Iran in the region, and by disbanding the Republican Guard, ISIS was created. 

The no fly zone scenario would have been so much less expensive over time.

That and pulling out of Afghanistan after the job in the Tora Bora caves was over.

Dubya and his administration are responsible for both of those situations, all while adding to the debt at the same time by cutting taxes as you are running head first into war.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.26  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.2.25    2 weeks ago

You forgot the 5 to 8 thousand foreign fighters that were in Iraq we just called them terrorist.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.2.27  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.4    2 weeks ago
I did and for many of my fellow Veterans who agree with me on this.

Many, maybe.  By no means all and maybe not even most.  You assume far too much.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.2.28  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.13    2 weeks ago
You are deceived on Iraq by leftist propaganda.

Says the No. 2 spewer of rightwing disinformation here. 

 
 
 
cjcold
3.2.29  cjcold  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

The mission was far from accomplished and Cheney/Bush were far from being liberal.

Seems troops under Obama had the right to say "mission accomplished"

 

 
 
 
cjcold
3.2.30  cjcold  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.10    2 weeks ago

. I just tend to come off as very conservative online.

That's an understatement.

 
 
 
cjcold
3.2.31  cjcold  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.3    2 weeks ago

 $10,000 for the Bush doll.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It    2 weeks ago

Trump used his father's wealth to get an illegal deferment to avoid going to Vietnam! 
Trump, of course, "lied" claiming that he had "Bone Spurs". 

He has publicly criticized the former Senator and POW, John McCain for getting captured when his jet fighter was shot down.

Recently, his physician exposed that lie by admitting that he was paid by Trump's daddy to file a FALSE diagnosis.

Trump does not deserve a PARADE in his honor. He has none! 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4    2 weeks ago
Trump used his father's wealth to get an illegal deferment to avoid going to Vietnam!
Trump, of course, "lied" claiming that he had "Bone Spurs".

I await your publishing of medical claims proving what you claim. When will you be doing that?

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4.1.1  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    2 weeks ago

Do your own research. Google it! A ton of articles and TV stories have been produced exposing this FRAUD!

You will not find it on FOX TV NUTWORK NOISE!800

 
 
 
WallyW
4.1.2  WallyW  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

By deflecting, you're admitting you're making this up.

 
 
 
lib50
4.1.3  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    2 weeks ago
I await your publishing of medical claims proving what you claim. When will you be doing that?

Why doesn't Trump just release his proof of bone spurs?  You want proof, start with that.  When will you be asking the LIAR for proof of what he says? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @4.1.3    2 weeks ago
Why doesn't Trump just release his proof of bone spurs? You want proof, start with that. When will you be asking the LIAR for proof of what he says?

If you call him a draft dodger, or that he received deferments illegally and improperly, then it is incumbent on you to prove it.

Isn't THAT the way it is SUPPOSED to work?

If I say Joe Biden has wild lovefests with minor children, would you not expect ME to prove it?

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4.1.5  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  WallyW @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

Your accusations, as your unfounded opinions, are irrelevant. This issue is the use of federal funds to promote a re-election bid. Especially, odious is that it is engineered, indeed, demanded by a FIVE-TIME DRAFT DODGER.

Google it, read it and weep, my friend. You are traveling on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY.

Trump is an INTERNATIONAL DISASTER, a self-serving monster under SERIOUS INVESTIGATIONS for criminal wronging while in office.

 
 
 
lib50
4.1.6  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.4    2 weeks ago

If a pathological liar says something self serving, who would believe that at face value?  And why?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

I have no idea why pathological liars are claiming shit about Trump.

You should ask them, not me.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.7    2 weeks ago
I have no idea why pathological liars are claiming shit about Trump.

We all have absolute, definitive evidence that Donald Trump is a pathological liar. Do you have any evidence those questioning Trumps claims of bone spurs are "pathological liars"?

Trump is a serial liar and you know it. Only those with their heads in the sand or firmly implanted up Donald Trumps voluminous ass are seemingly blind to this fact. But even those who refuse to see the truth right in front of their noses have to admit that we have a President who has never served in the military attempting to misappropriate an American tradition of celebrating those who have fought for our freedom and Independence and turning it into a campaign rally. It is shameful to all Americans who have retained even a shred of dignity and respect for our great nation and haven't abandoned all shame to be just another link in Trumps vile human centipede having their mouths and heads filled with his bullshit daily only to regurgitate it at those they come in contact with like those on an internet news comment board. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.8    2 weeks ago

If you have proof that Trump received a deferment he wasn't entitled to, please show it, as everyone else has successfully dodged the question. If you have any proof whatsoever he did anything illegal to gain a deferment like millions others received, simply provide it.

GO!

 
 
 
cjcold
4.1.10  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.7    2 weeks ago

Trump proves himself to be a pathological liar every day. Only Russian bots still like him.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @4.1.10    2 weeks ago
Only Russian bots still like him.

Seems to me some people here like Trump.

Have you reported the "bots" to site management yet, along with your mountain of evidence?

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.12  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.9    2 weeks ago
If you have proof that Trump received a deferment he wasn't entitled to, please show it,

Hilarious.  You only require proof from those you think are liberals. Trump claims he had bone spurs - the burden of proof is on him.  Since we already know he wrote the note from his "doctor" proclaiming that he'd be the healthiest president ever elected, despite his being fat, refusing to exercise, and inhaling McDonalds and sodas, I somehow doubt he'll have an valid evidence including x-rays.  Because his bone spurs were likely fake and just a way for him to dodge the draft.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.13  livefreeordie  replied to  katrix @4.1.12    2 weeks ago

Wrong. Our system says the burden of proof is on accusers, not the accused. It sets us apart from both 3rd world and totalitarian governments 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.14  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.9    2 weeks ago
If you have proof that Trump received a deferment he wasn't entitled to, please show it

"Two daughters of a New York podiatrist say that 50 years ago their father diagnosed President Donald Trump with bone spurs in his heels as a favor to the doctor's landlord, Fred Trump, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

Trump received five deferments from the draft for military service during the Vietnam War. He received four education deferments while he was a college student and a fifth deferment in 1968 for a medical exemption after he graduated. 

Larry Braunstein, who died in 2007, rented a ground floor office in a building owned by Trump in Jamaica, Queens. His daughters, Elysa Braunstein, 56, and Sharon Kessel, 53, told the Times that their father's role in Trump's diagnosis had become "family lore." 

"It was something we would always discuss," Elysa Braunstein told the Times. She and her sister are both Democrats who oppose Trump, according to the newspaper. 

Elysa Braunstein said their father made the diagnosis to gain access to the landlord and that she didn't know if her father even examined the junior Trump.  

"I know it was a favor," Elysa Braunstein said. 

"What he got was access to Fred Trump," she told the Times. "If there was anything wrong in the building, my dad would call and Trump would take care of it immediately. That was the small favor that he got."

The women did not offer any documentation to back up their claims. They said their father's story also involved a second podiatrist, Manny Weinstein, who died in 1995. Weinstein's landlord was also Fred Trump."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/12/27/trump-vietnam-war-bone-spur-diagnosis/2420475002/

The circumstantial evidence is more than enough for reasonable persons to conclude Fred Trump used his influence to keep his sad sack of worthless son out of the draft (probably doing us a favor and saving lives since who knows how many soldiers Donald's stupidity would have cost our military had he been sent to Vietnam), a smoking gun isn't necessary.

 
 
 
WallyW
4.1.16  WallyW  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.14    2 weeks ago

Doctors serving in military are the only ones authorized to grant deferments.

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.1.17  Ronin2  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.14    2 weeks ago
"It was something we would always discuss," Elysa Braunstein told the Times. She and her sister are both Democrats who oppose Trump, according to the newspaper. 
The women did not offer any documentation to back up their claims. They said their father's story also involved a second podiatrist, Manny Weinstein, who died in 1995. Weinstein's landlord was also Fred Trump."

Full stop. Bullshit meter breaking into the red. They couldn't possibly be lying./S

Not saying Trump didn't dodge the draft; but this story doesn't pass the smell test.  All smoke and mirrors again. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.18  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.17    2 weeks ago
but this story doesn't pass the smell test

How so? Do you have any evidence that they aren't who they say they are? All you have is the word of a serial liar, serial adulterer, and serially bankrupt gold painted narcissist who invents his own truth, prefers "alternative facts, and claims making shit up is just the "power of positive thinking". I would trust virtually any random persons word over the word of Donald Trump.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.19  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  WallyW @4.1.16    2 weeks ago
Doctors serving in military are the only ones authorized to grant deferments

You've said this before but I have been unable to verify this. I have found many accounts of other people claiming doctors were used to diagnose false medical issues for the children of those willing and able to pay.

"Finding a doctor who would certify a healthy draft-age person as medically unfit, either willingly or for pay"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_evasion

With two doctors (both of who wanted to get in Fred Trumps good graces) diagnoses Trump went to the draft board and likely received the cursory physical examination. With the diagnoses the draft board doctor likely did what most do with a diagnoses of "bone spurs" which is to feel around the area and ask if the patient experiences pain. If the patient says they feel pain, and has two other doctors verifying the diagnoses, it's HIGHLY unlikely they would have ordered the x-rays necessary to actually confirm this diagnoses, especially when they had hundreds of other draftees to inspect that day.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.20  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.4    2 weeks ago

It is not that he had or didn't have them, it is about using them as an excuse to get out of the draft.  They sure didn't stop him from playing leisure sports when he got his deferments.  I had a bone spur removed while in the Army, went on con leave, went back to duty a week later which sometimes included wearing combat boots.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.21  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.13    2 weeks ago

HILARIOUS! 

Katrix we have met the enemy and it is "us." Some conservatives on this site take these matters to be great 'sport.'  Liberals, arm yourselves with facts and matter-of-factly proceed to cram facts figuratively down the throats of those who come here with "gameness." (Gameness, the seeking of victory through never acknowledging defeat.)

Back to you LFOD: HILARIOUS!

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.1.22  dennis smith  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    2 weeks ago

You will never get the "Proof" asked for. It doesn't exist except in the minds of those with TRR.

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.1.23  dennis smith  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.8    2 weeks ago

"Trump is a serial liar and you know it".

So now you claim to know what someone else knows. 

Trump is doing the same for his reelection bid than past POTUS's have done for 4th of July. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.1.24  dennis smith  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.19    2 weeks ago

With two doctors (both of who wanted to get in Fred Trumps good graces) diagnoses Trump went to the draft board and likely received the cursory physical examination. With the diagnoses the draft board doctor likely did what most do with a diagnoses of "bone spurs" which is to feel around the area and ask if the patient experiences pain. If the patient says they feel pain, and has two other doctors verifying the diagnoses, it's HIGHLY unlikely they would have ordered the x-rays necessary to actually confirm this diagnoses, especially when they had hundreds of other draftees to inspect that day.

Using the terms likely and unlikely as many time as above confirms it may or may not be true. No proof just speculation. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.1.25  Ronin2  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.18    2 weeks ago
The women did not offer any documentation to back up their claims. They said their father's story also involved a second podiatrist, Manny Weinstein, who died in 1995. Weinstein's landlord was also Fred Trump."

It is not my burden to prove. It is theirs. They have no documentation. They have hearsay from their father, who is dead. The other doctor their father referenced is also dead. It is all rather convenient. The only reason they are believed is because they hate Trump.

I also stated Trump probably did avoid the draft. Many rich children did with their parents' money and political connections. Those that didn't used other means to dodge the draft, some legal, some not so legal. Both sides of the political spectrum did it. If dodging the draft were a real issue Clinton and Bush Jr would never have been elected president.

 
 
 
Karri
4.1.26  Karri  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    2 weeks ago
medical claims proving what you claim.

Actually, if it was a part of his medical history, it would have been discussed in his the history portion of his physicals.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  Karri @4.1.26    2 weeks ago

So simply prove it isn't there in his records.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.28  Dulay  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.19    2 weeks ago
Doctors serving in military are the only ones authorized to grant deferments You've said this before but I have been unable to verify this.

Here is proof that Trump did NOT have a 'Doctor serving in the military' authorize his final 4F deferment. 

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Note the Trump only had 2 physical exams by Armed Services Doctors, one in 66, one in 68. Trump was given a 4F PERMANENT deferment in 1972 WITHOUT being examined by a Military physician. 

The sick part of it is that Trump insists that his bone spurs were 'temporary and minor' yet he got a deferment from 1968 and again in 1972. Doesn't sound 'temporary and minor' to me...

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1.29  Don Overton  replied to  WallyW @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

No wally he made nothing up but you certainly did

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1.30  Don Overton  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.13    2 weeks ago

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cjcold
4.1.31  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.11    2 weeks ago

Not yet comrade.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.32  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    2 weeks ago
I await your publishing of medical claims proving what you claim.

You have a 100% of rejecting any proof given to you on any subject.  Your demands of proof are a joke on yourself. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2  It Is ME  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4    2 weeks ago
Trump does not deserve a PARADE in his honor.

Isn't this all supposed to be about "Independence Day" ?

"Independence Day is a national holiday marked by patriotic displays."

The folks that signed up for the military (the most dangerous job in this country) should be represented !

You don't agree ?

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4.2.1  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  It Is ME @4.2    2 weeks ago

Not to HONOR a Draft Dodger, a potential traitor, and, a known INTERNATIONAL THIEF, who, along with his family, is looting the treasury.

Trump praises our enemies and disparages our allies, who fought alongside our military in numerous wars. And, against Russians in Korea and Vietnam.

Trump is NOT what his supporters believe him to be!

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.2  It Is ME  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.2.1    2 weeks ago
Not to HONOR a Draft Dodger

Where did Trump say this was for him ?

Are you just "Projecting" again ?

 
 
 
lib50
4.2.3  lib50  replied to  It Is ME @4.2    2 weeks ago
The folks that signed up for the military (the most dangerous job in this country) should be represented ! You don't agree ?

THEY don't agree!  They don't want this bullshit!  They don't want to spend hours in the heat for a draft dodging lying asshole!   And who the hell is paying for this?  This isn't even American, and it isn't for the military.  Its for Trump's ego. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.4  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @4.2.3    2 weeks ago
THEY don't agree!  They don't want this bullshit! 

"They", the military, sure do "Clap" and "Cheer" LOUDLY when Trump speaks to, and PRAISES them.

2 or 3 decenters does not make a "Military", except in "Liberal land", where the "Few" ALWAYS mean EVERYTHING ! jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4.2.5  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.2    2 weeks ago

800

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.6  It Is ME  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.2.5    2 weeks ago

Still waiting ….. "FOR THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE" ! jrSmiley_32_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.7  livefreeordie  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.2.1    2 weeks ago

Sure he is. We know he’s not an [Deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.6    2 weeks ago

There is no real evidence, or all the folks squawking about legal deferments--which millions received--would have produced it by now.

 
 
 
lib50
4.2.9  lib50  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.4    2 weeks ago
"They", the military, sure do "Clap" and "Cheer" LOUDLY when Trump speaks to, and PRAISES them.

They have to.  Who wants to work on July 4th and be apart from their family in the heat?   Why do Americans want to spend all that money when Trump already blew up the deficit?  Why is this all about Trump?  Its supposed to be about the country. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.10  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @4.2.9    2 weeks ago
Why is this all about Trump?

Because the author of this article made it about Trump ?

Just guessing here. 

Towns, Cities, Counties, and even States celebrate this, on the tax payer dime.

Why is this bothering you now ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.11  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.8    2 weeks ago
There is no real evidence, or all the folks squawking about legal deferments--which millions received--would have produced it by now.

Deferments only count as a bad thing when the Left say they count.

SAD !

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.12  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.6    2 weeks ago

I doubt you will get any because he has none to provide. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.13  It Is ME  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.12    2 weeks ago

Innuendo and conjecture is fun to litigate here. jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

I likes "FUN !

Without "Fun", what is really there to life ?

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.2.14  Sparty On  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.12    2 weeks ago

I'd say, enough "comedy jokes" but unfortunately, i don't think he is joking.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  lib50 @4.2.3    2 weeks ago

If I were still in the military I would take an Article 15 or General Court-Martial before I would march in this asshole's parade

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.16  livefreeordie  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.15    2 weeks ago

I would proudly march to show my support for our country, the military and our wonderful President.

so happy to see him restoring American pride after the terrible 8 years of the Marxist community organizer

 
 
 
cjcold
4.2.17  cjcold  replied to  It Is ME @4.2    2 weeks ago

Many had no choice. Our number came up and we were drafted into a stupid war.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.2.18  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @4.2.17    2 weeks ago

Is anybody here old enough to remember the draft?

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @4.2.18    2 weeks ago

Of course.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.20  It Is ME  replied to  cjcold @4.2.17    2 weeks ago
Many had no choice. Our number came up and we were drafted into a stupid war.

Speak to your congressman/woman then. They are the ones that actually decide ….. FOR YOU !

Maybe stop relying on "Congress" for everything. It comes back to bite you in the ass.....most times !

And at the most inopportune moments too !

 
 
 
cjcold
4.2.21  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @4.2.18    2 weeks ago

Nam had nothing to do with fighting communism. It was all about defense contractors making money.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.22  livefreeordie  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.2.1    2 weeks ago

Europe is not our friend just as Russia is not our friend.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.23  livefreeordie  replied to  cjcold @4.2.18    2 weeks ago

I enlisted in 1966 at age 17. Had to get a pass to go home and register for the draft so I could get a security clearance for my rating.   Had to show my military green card to the woman at the draft board who didn’t believe me when I answered to the occupation question, “US Military Active duty”

id like to see them bring back mandatory military service

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.24  livefreeordie  replied to  cjcold @4.2.21    2 weeks ago

Wrong.   Both Russia and China were overt in their goals of making all of Southeast Asia communist. They vied against each other as to which would dominate and control the region.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.2.25  r.t..b...  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.22    2 weeks ago
Europe is not our friend just as Russia is not our friend.

Is anyone our friend, or is that an antiquated 18th Century notionism?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.26  livefreeordie  replied to  r.t..b... @4.2.25    2 weeks ago

Israel, Japan, South Korea, maybe the UK, Canada (apart from little Trudeau), some other small nations.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.2.27  r.t..b...  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.26    2 weeks ago
maybe the UK, Canada (apart from little Trudeau)

A transitory ally is neither...as so many around the globe are discovering under this administration.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.28  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @4.2.27    2 weeks ago
A transitory ally is neither...as so many around the globe are discovering under this administration.

Are there actually allies in this world, when there is NO WAR ?

Seems to me, without "WAR", everyone looks out for their own selves, until the "Dreaded" comes around again !

When that "Dreaded" comes  again, then everyone will be "super-duper Uber" allies AGAIN !

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.2.29  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.28    2 weeks ago
Are there actually allies in this world, when there is NO WAR ?

"...you couldn't hit water if you fell out of a fucking boat." ~ Crash Davis

                                                                                                          [Deletion warranted.]

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.30  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @4.2.29    2 weeks ago
"...you couldn't hit water if you fell out of a fucking boat."

I noticed you COULDN'T say I was wrong. jrSmiley_32_smiley_image.gif

Are you an advocate of "Staying Ignorant as a "Feeling" of Bliss for ever" ? jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.2.31  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.30    2 weeks ago
Are you an advocate of "Staying Ignorant is "Feeling" Bliss" ?

Let's play two...

"Having a conversation with you is like a Martian talking to a Fungo" ~Crash Davis

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.32  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @4.2.31    2 weeks ago

I noticed you STILL COULDN'T say I was wrong. jrSmiley_32_smiley_image.gif

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.33  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  cjcold @4.2.18    2 weeks ago

My mother sent me my induction notice a week after I was already in Navy Boot Camp. I ceremonially burned it in the barracks the day I received it! My mother had a representative of the selective service show up wanting to know why I had not shown up. He did not believe her when she told him I had already enlisted...

 
 
 
Phaedrus
4.2.34  Phaedrus  replied to  cjcold @4.2.21    2 weeks ago
It was all about defense contractors making money.

Aren't they all?

 
 
 
cjcold
4.2.35  cjcold  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.7    2 weeks ago

Trump is an ignorant [fool.delete]

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.36  livefreeordie  replied to  cjcold @4.2.35    2 weeks ago

I don’t know a single Trump supporter who worships Him.    Cite with a link anyone who does

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.2.37  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.4    2 weeks ago

I don't know if you served or not, but soldiers have to show fake respect when Trump is around.  A soldier can't even voice disdain for any COC in fear of charges being brought against them.  They are in reality, a captive audience.  If I were still in, I don't care if it meant an article 15.  That pit viper in a badly fitted suit would deserve anything I said in regards to him as COC.  Even if he walked past me, there would be no salute.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.38  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.2.37    2 weeks ago
but soldiers have to show fake respect when Trump is around

Probably "Some", as all other Presidents have had over the decades.

"Some' does not make a whole though.

Obama's score with the Military wasn't something to write home about.

Obama had more of a not satisfied "W-Hole" than Trump has.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.39  Trout Giggles  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.2.37    2 weeks ago

You and me, both, Paula. I would gladly take the Article 15 for not saluting that "superior" while in uniform.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.2.40  r.t..b...  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.36    2 weeks ago
I don’t know a single Trump supporter who worships Him.    Cite with a link anyone who does

Cite not required as you are speaking from a purely personal experience. All that is actually needed is a quick perusal of each and every subject put forth for discussion here. If that is not enough, go back and objectively watch any maga rally for confirmation.

 
 
 
CB
4.2.41  CB   replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.2.1    2 weeks ago

My friend, Trump's supporter KNOW what he is. He is there idea of "shock and awe" to this country and Liberals. If and when these conservatives on Newstalkers show you what they are about, believe them.

These conservatives here elected Trump. These conservatives here support Trump. These conservatives come here to make the case daily for Trump. These conservatives front and center ARE more TRUMP or as much TRUMP as TRUMP IS himself!

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.2.42  dennis smith  replied to  lib50 @4.2.3    2 weeks ago

I signed up for the military, served in Vietnam and along with millions of others do agree with what Trump is doing. He was elected as POTUS by us and many others who did not serve.

Provide proof that he is a 5 time draft dodger or admit you can't.

BTW telling others to do find it themselves proves that you cannot .

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.2.43  dennis smith  replied to  cjcold @4.2.18    2 weeks ago
With two doctors (both of who wanted to get in Fred Trumps good graces) diagnoses Trump went to the draft board and likely received the cursory physical examination. With the diagnoses the draft board doctor likely did what most do with a diagnoses of "bone spurs" which is to feel around the area and ask if the patient experiences pain. If the patient says they feel pain, and has two other doctors verifying the diagnoses, it's HIGHLY unlikely they would have ordered the x-rays necessary to actually confirm this diagnoses, especially when they had hundreds of other draftees to inspect that day.

YES

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.2.44  dennis smith  replied to  cjcold @4.2.21    2 weeks ago

The dems loved LBJ when he was warmongering POTUS during the largest build up of manpower in Vietnam.

No POTUS since then including Trump can hold a candle to him for playing politics with millions of American lives.

 
 
 
Karri
4.2.45  Karri  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.11    2 weeks ago
Deferments only count as a bad thing when the Left say they count.

Actually, they only count as a bad thing when it is based on a lie.  My late husband hated a couple of politicians who lied to get out of the draft; however, if they opposed the war and used legal means to get out, he was okay.  (My husband was a career Naval officer.)

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.2.46  Sparty On  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.24    2 weeks ago

And Uncle Ho played them both like a fiddle.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.47  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.22    2 weeks ago

Europe is our friend.  Russia is NOT.  

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4.2.48  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.28    2 weeks ago

Have you heard about the NATO Treaty Alliance that was formed after the Second World War?

Perhaps, you are more familiar with the South Korean Alliance with the USA, or, the Japanese, Vietnam, Philippines, Israel, etc.

Countries have Allies and the smart ones respect theirs. Unfortunately, Trump, the illegally installed POTUS, real POS, has no respect for anyone, anything, only HIMSELF.

Trump is a "wannabe HITLER-STYLED DICTATOR"! He is not who you believe him to be. He is the GREATEST THREAT TO AMERICA since Pearl Harbor.


 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4.2.49  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.23    2 weeks ago

As would I. Serving in the Military is only one way of being a patriot, it is not the EXCLUSIVE RIGHT of those that did. Nor should it be misused as a "SLUG HAMMER" to disrespect one's, fellow citizens.

Hitler used that technique to turn the GERMAN CITIZENS into killing machines that blindly followed a "MAD MAN".

Trump's Ghostwriter for "The Art of the Deal" and his biographer sent years with Trump, and, both, independently stated that Trump never read a book in the entire years that they knew him.

His first wife, Ivana, stated that he kept a copy of Hitler's book by his nightstand, and, that is the only one she knows that he read.

Trump is a "draft-dodging, compulsive liar, and a THIRD GENERATION THEFT, who is robbing this country every minute of the day. He is neither honorable nor, deserving of respect.

800



 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.50  It Is ME  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.2.48    2 weeks ago

Have you heard.....so-called Allies circumvent restrictions on their own behalf ….. all the time !

But I'm sure you knew that, [deleted]

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.51  It Is ME  replied to  Karri @4.2.45    2 weeks ago

And who decides what is a lie ?

The Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher trail comes to mind . jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.2.52  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.51    2 weeks ago
The Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher trail comes to mind .

Seems I remember some fine folks here basically crucifying the Navy Seal hero when the trial started. I wonder what they have to say now that he was found innocent of all charges except for taking a photo?

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.53  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.52    2 weeks ago
I wonder what they have to say now that he was found innocent of all charges except for taking a photo?

We both know the answer to that question.

NOTHING ! 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.54  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.47    2 weeks ago

Europe isn't our friend.  that's laughable.  I said Russia is not our friend

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.55  livefreeordie  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.2.49    2 weeks ago

[deleted] And military service is the pre-eminent means of showing your patriotism and service to country.  My family members have served in our military dating back to the French-Indian Wars.  I have a Musket from a family member used in the Revolutionary War. We have a saber from a family Member who was an officer for the Union in the Civil War.  My grandfather was wounded in France in WWI and decorated by Wilson. My father blinded in WWII in Europe.  I was wounded and disabled during the 60s.  Two sons served in the Marines in the 80s-90s. One decorated by Clinton, one was in the first Marine Unit to cross into Baghdad.

Military service for us is a tradition we take great pride in.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.56  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.15    2 weeks ago

While I feel you genuinely feel that way now, would you honestly consider doing that if you knew you had a family and mouths to feed if your actions resulted in you losing a pay grade and income to prove a political point?

 
 
 
Dulay
4.2.57  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.55    2 weeks ago
And military service is the pre-eminent means of showing your patriotism and service to country.

So no women in America were patriots until 1948? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.2.58  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.2.57    2 weeks ago
So no women in America were patriots until 1948?

Clearly not what he stated.

Why don't you argue what he stated instead of what you THINK he meant?

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.2.59  Don Overton  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.4    2 weeks ago

[deletedr]

 
 
 
Dulay
4.2.60  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.58    2 weeks ago
Clearly not what he stated.

I'm not the one claiming members said shit they didn't say Tex. 

Why don't you argue what he stated instead of what you THINK he meant?

Why don't you try to figure out what a question mark means? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.2.61  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.58    2 weeks ago

Your "question" was nonsensical then. Since he never stated anything of the sort, you would have been just as well off asking him what color his car is, for all the relevance of it in relation to what he did post.

Carry on!!!

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.2.62  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.52    2 weeks ago
he was found innocent of all charges except for taking a photo?

Incorrect. He was found not guilty. And yes, there is a difference. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.2.63  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.62    2 weeks ago
ncorrect. He was found not guilty. And yes, there is a difference.

Okay, he was found not guilty. Happy now?

BTW:

Dictionary

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not guilty
[not guilty]

DEFINITION
innocent, especially of a formal charge.
"he pled not guilty to murder"

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Split Personality
4.2.64  Split Personality  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.55    2 weeks ago

Desmond Doss was one of the few Christian US soldiers who ever did the right thing by your Christ.

The rest of us just fed your Satan by doing un-Christlike things year in and year out, one generation after another,

praising our military prowess, and bragging about hereditary killing implements

and "victories" over our fellow men.

Face it, there is no God that would allow a species to kill most of our previous 101 billion ancestors over religion or politics.

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.2.66  Don Overton  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.4    2 weeks ago

[Removed

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.67  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Don Overton @4.2.66    2 weeks ago

Well I do not know about you, but I spent 20 years in the U.S. Navy and served in Vietnam and the 1st Gulf War so I can honestly say I know a fair amount about military customs. I have not heard anything much from you on this thread that shows you do. It Is Me did not really say anything wrong other than that it was just something you disagreed with because he does not share your political views. Enlist and go to war? Been there done that in two wars and several other FUBAR ops in between. 

 
 
 
cjcold
4.2.68  cjcold  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.6    2 weeks ago

There is plenty of actual evidence. You are just in denial.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.2.69  MUVA  replied to  cjcold @4.2.17    2 weeks ago

I volunteered to go Iraq . 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.70  livefreeordie  replied to  Dulay @4.2.57    2 weeks ago

Of course there have been. Going all the way back to the Revolutionary War

The defense of our nation is a shared responsibility. Women have served in the defense of this land for years before our United States was born. They have contributed their talents, skills and courage to this endeavor for more than two centuries with an astounding record of achievement that stretches from Lexington and Concord to the Persian Gulf and beyond.

Retired Gen. Gordon R. Sullivan

Chief of Staff of the Army, 1991-1995

“A few women fought in the Army in the American Revolutionary War while disguised as men. Deborah Sampson fought until her sex was discovered and she was discharged, and Sally St. Clare died in the war.  Anna Maria Lane joined her husband in the Army, and by the time of the Battle of Germantown, she was wearing men's clothesAccording to the Virginia General Assembly, "in the revolutionary war, in the garb, and with the courage of a soldier, [Lane] performed extraordinary military services, and received a severe wound at the battle of Germantown."

The number of women soldiers in the American Civil War is estimated at between 400 and 750, although an accurate count is impossible because the women again had to disguise themselves as men.

The United States established the Army Nurse Corps as a permanent part of the Army in 1901; the Corps was all-female until 1955.

Sometimes they were flung into the vortex of battle. Such was the case of Mary Ludwig Hays, better known as Molly Pitcher, who earned fame at the Battle of Monmouth in 1778. Hays first brought soldiers water from a local well to quench their thirst on an extremely hot and humid day and then replaced her wounded husband at his artillery piece, firing at the oncoming British. In a similar vein, Margaret Corbin was severely wounded during the British assault on Fort Washington in November 1776 and left for dead alongside her husband, also an artilleryman, until she was attended by a physician. She lived, though her wounds left her permanently disabled. History recalls her as the first American female to receive a soldier’s lifetime pension after the war.

One of the best examples of a woman who disguised herself as a man to fight in the Continental Army was Deborah Sampson from Uxbridge, Massachusetts. Amazingly, she also has a paper trail concerning her combat service in the army, where she fought under the alias of Robert Shurtliff, the name of her deceased brother, in the light infantry company of the Fourth Massachusetts Regiment.  She mustered into service in the spring of 1782 and saw action in Westchester County, New York just north of the City of New York where she was wounded in her thigh and forehead. Not wanting her identity to be revealed during medical care she permitted physicians to treat her head wound and then slipped out of the field hospital unnoticed, where she extracted one of the bullets from her thigh with a penknife and sewing needle. The other bullet was lodged too deep and her leg never fully healed. Her identity was finally revealed during the summer of 1783 when she contracted a fever while on duty in Philadelphia. 

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/women-american-revolution

The Women Who Fought in the Civil War

Hundreds of women concealed their identities so they could battle alongside their Union and Confederate counterparts

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-women-who-fought-in-the-civil-war-1402680/

 
 
 
Dulay
4.2.71  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.70    2 weeks ago
Women have served in the defense of this land for years before our United States was born.

Yet according to you, they lacked the 'pre-eminent means of showing their patriotism and service to country'. Just taking you at YOUR word LFOD. 

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.2.72  Don Overton  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.67    2 weeks ago

Been there done that 3 times WIA 71  CIB  Bronze

You?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4.2.73  1stwarrior  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.2.37    2 weeks ago

You must not have understood your protocol and "rules of the road" in the military.  REGARDLESS of WHO is in office, you are saluting the POSITION of President, not the person - period - whether you like it or not.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.74  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Don Overton @4.2.72    2 weeks ago

As I said above, 20 years USN Fleet Marine Force Hospital Corpsman. In 1974 I flew as medical aircrew on USMC UH-1 Hueys from a LPH off the coast. Primarily did SAR and medevac runs in country. The Army called them "Dustoffs". Had a bird shot out from under me and took a hard landing in a dry rice paddy outside of DaNang courtesy of a RPG round. Took shrapnel to my back sides and legs but I was too busy to notice trying to care for and save the wounded Marine on board. He made it. Pilot and crew chief not so lucky. Still have the nightmares and suffered survivor's guilt for years. Took a hour and a half in the middle of a firefight between Charlie on one side of the paddy and a platoon of Marines on the other side. Finally got picked up by another chopper. Got sent home after after that but stayed in the Navy. My CO wanted to give me a Purple Heart and a Navy Commendation Medal. I told him to give it to my wounded Marine instead. He deserved them more than I did. There were other episodes in 20 years that do not need to be mentioned here, but suffice it to say I have been around the block a time or two. By the way, Happy 4th of July and thank you for your service. have a good evening.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.2.75  MrFrost  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.74    2 weeks ago

And as always, thanks for your service Ed. Our politics don't always mesh well, but I have never doubted your service and devotion to the USA. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.76  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.75    2 weeks ago

Nor I yours Sir. Semper Fi brother!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.2.77  FLYNAVY1  replied to  cjcold @4.2.18    2 weeks ago

Too young for VN but old enough to remember older family members subject to the draft.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.2.78  FLYNAVY1  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.22    2 weeks ago

Then you never spent any time in joint operations with NATO forces then...

You don't want to remember the stationing of cruse missiles in Sicily, or Persing II missiles in West Germany.

You don't want to remember German farmers fields chewed up by armored units during training. 

You don't think that the countless years of British and Italian subs and ASW aircraft tracking Soviet subs in the North Atlantic and Mediterranean.

Hell, our ships and aircraft are still regular visitors on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean which is a British base.

I Have no use for ungrateful and purposely dishonest people.  This is why I want to puke every time a Trump supporter opens their mouth in defense of their shit stain of a savior. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.79  It Is ME  replied to  cjcold @4.2.68    2 weeks ago
There is plenty of actual evidence.

And that would beeeeee …… What ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.80  It Is ME  replied to  Don Overton @4.2.66    2 weeks ago

I don't ?

Are you sure ?

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.2.81  dennis smith  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.2.48    2 weeks ago

 "Unfortunately, Trump, the illegally installed POTUS,"

He was legally elected by a huge majority of the electoral college. Your denial of this fact shows why your comment is dismissed as just another poor loser.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.82  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  dennis smith @4.2.81    2 weeks ago

Well stated!

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.2.83  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.2.49    2 weeks ago

Yet there are millions upon millions that know otherwise.   Could be that you are dead wrong.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.84  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.16    2 weeks ago
I would proudly march to show my support for our country, the military and our wonderful President.

Aren't the one who constantly claims you're not a Republican?  You and BF make a perfect pair (of what, I'll not say).  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.85  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.75    2 weeks ago

As you said, our politics do not always mesh but at least we know we can each count on the other to hold a polite discussion with each other even in disagreement. Sorry the same cannot be said for others posting here. Have a good day my friend.

 
 
 
CB
4.2.86  CB   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.2.78    2 weeks ago

Good old Diego Garcia. Damn, I have not thought about that little bit of heaven in a "thousand" years!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.87  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.2.78    2 weeks ago

I remember the Amphib group I was with pulled into Diego Garcia in 1981. They would not let anybody off the three ships because we would have overrun the island. They resupplied us at anchor and we pulled out after 24 hours.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.2.88  MUVA  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.87    2 weeks ago

My father was at Airborne command post and strategic Air command and stop there many times. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4.2.89  1stwarrior  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.87    2 weeks ago

When I was in the Coast Guard, I tried to get assigned to Diego as an Investigating Officer, but, believe it or not, that place was so popular with the CG, especially the Inspection and Investigating Officers - never got chosen.  Went to Norfolk instead.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.2.90  MUVA  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2.89    2 weeks ago

You were in my neck of the woods I,m just a mile or two from little creek and about 10 miles from the carrie piers.

 
 
 
WallyW
4.3  WallyW  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4    2 weeks ago
was paid by Trump's daddy to file a FALSE diagnosis.

Yet another lie. Have you a source?

Deferments were not given by civilian doctors.

Obama never served, and Clinton ran away to Oxford.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4.3.1  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  WallyW @4.3    2 weeks ago

There are plenty of sources, Wally W. Do your own RESEARCH. Stop falling for the "Republican Talking Points" spewed by FOX TV NETWORK NOISE.

You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own FACTS!

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.3.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  WallyW @4.3    2 weeks ago
Deferments were not given by civilian doctors.

oh, come on... let them play with their imaginations.

 
 
 
WallyW
4.3.3  WallyW  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.1    2 weeks ago

Sorry, you are the one making the assertion, up to you to provide the proof,

 
 
 
katrix
4.3.4  katrix  replied to  WallyW @4.3.3    2 weeks ago

So you're questioning what your orange idol said?  Tsk, tsk.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4.3.5  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.3.2    2 weeks ago

No one is suggesting that "deferments" are awarded by civilian physicians. They write an untrue medical excuse for COWARDS.

I served in Vietnam in 1965-1966.

And, I can assure you that the support from Veterans, and, the military for this despicable, lying, fake POTUS, who was illegally installed in the Whitehouse with the aide of America's ARCH ENEMY is rapidly waning.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.5    2 weeks ago
o one is suggesting that "deferments" are awarded by civilian physicians.

Okay, finally something sane and reasonable. Now then, simply prove that the military officials which granted the deferments were bought, which you claimed in this statement:

"Trump used his father's wealth to get an illegal deferment to avoid going to Vietnam!
Trump, of course, "lied" claiming that he had "Bone Spurs"."

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.3.7  livefreeordie  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.5    2 weeks ago

Nonsense, not a single one of my Veteran buddies from the 60s nor myself have waned. We are more proud than ever of this president.

I hope we never have another military hating Democrat like the Marxist community organizer in the White House 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.3.8  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @4.3.7    2 weeks ago

Marxist, communist, blah, blah, fucking blah.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.5    2 weeks ago
POTUS, who was illegally installed in the Whitehouse

https://www.usa.gov/election

Perhaps this will help in understanding how U.S. Presidents are elected.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.3.10  cjcold  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.5    2 weeks ago

Thank you for your service. Been to war myself. Was too young for Nam and never shot in anger (in the rear with the gear).

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.3.11  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.8    2 weeks ago

Truth is like kryptonite for leftists

 
 
 
cjcold
4.3.12  cjcold  replied to  livefreeordie @4.3.11    2 weeks ago

Where did you serve?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.3.13  livefreeordie  replied to  cjcold @4.3.12    2 weeks ago

I served in both Submarines and Navy Intelligence 66-70).  I’m a disabled Veteran from a Russian attack while on a classified mission in the Arctic Circle in the late 60s

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.3.14  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @4.3.11    2 weeks ago
Truth is like kryptonite for leftists

While many on the left are truly Supermen and Superwomen, truth has never caused them any discomfort. What hurts them most is being forced to watch their beloved nation subjected to the whims of an unstable narcissist and wannabe dictator. And conservatives know this which is why they giggle with glee as they subject the nation to the embarrassment of Donald Trump, and they're immune from any effects because they've felt the coastal elites abandoned them long ago and they no longer have any pride or respect for a diverse melting pot America. But not much can embarrass those still trying to live in the 1950's pre-Brown v Board era.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.3.15  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @4.3.10    2 weeks ago

Was never in the military but still played my part at times.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.3.16  cjcold  replied to  livefreeordie @4.3.13    2 weeks ago

Spent some time on an expedition in the Antarctic in the 80s I really, really hate being cold!

 
 
 
WallyW
4.3.17  WallyW  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.5    2 weeks ago
I served in Vietnam in 1965-1966.
Then you have to remember the officer who gave you the physical?
He was an MD serving in the military. Who found you fit.....or deferred you.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.3.18  livefreeordie  replied to  cjcold @4.3.16    2 weeks ago

We had many days 70 below zero.   Even the guys in the Engine Room wore winter coats 

 
 
 
cjcold
4.3.19  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @4.3.16    2 weeks ago

Used to do some climbing in my youth but that shit just scares the hell out of me these days.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.3.20  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  cjcold @4.3.16    2 weeks ago

I was in the Antarctic at McMurdo Station during the summers of 1987 through 1991. What part of the Ice were you on? Did Winfly two years in a row. Coldest I ever saw was 98 below zero, and that was without the wind chill factor thrown in.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.3.21  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @4.3.19    2 weeks ago

My little brother puts me to shame. He has climbed all of the 14,000+ peaks in Colorado. 

 
 
 
cjcold
4.3.22  cjcold  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.3.20    2 weeks ago

Flew in, walked about a bit and flew out. McMurdo. Did I mention that I hate being cold? I could tell you who I was with but then I wouldn't have anonymity any more.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.3.23  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @4.3.22    2 weeks ago

Give my best to the folk at Gallaghers pub.

 
 
 
katrix
4.3.24  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.6    2 weeks ago
Now then, simply prove that the military officials which granted the deferments were bought, which you claimed in this statement:

It was the doctor who provided the letter who was supposedly "bought." 

Although .. anyone but Trump would realize the irony of bragging that he's the healthiest person ever, the greatest athlete ever, while claiming a deferment for bone spurs. But then again, he claims to have the greatest memory ever, but claimed he couldn't remember something like ... 36 times? ... in his responses to Mueller rather than admit the truth.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.25  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @4.3.24    2 weeks ago
It was the doctor who provided the letter who was supposedly "bought."

Civilian doctors have no authority to issue referments. Figured you already knew that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.3.26  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.25    2 weeks ago

What's a referment?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.3.27  Greg Jones  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.5    2 weeks ago

Nope, the support for Trump continues to grow as the left and its rabid supports are caught in one lie and fake story after another...like this article.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.28  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.26    2 weeks ago
What's a referment?

A typo.

Ouch.

You GOT me!!

[deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.3.29  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.28    2 weeks ago

For someone who does the same thing to others, that's quite rich.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.3.31  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.3.2    2 weeks ago
'let them play with their imaginations.'

You're very good at that.

Don't they say you'll go blind if you do that too often?

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.32  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.29    2 weeks ago
For someone who does the same thing to others, that's quite rich

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Texan1211
4.3.33  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.26    2 weeks ago
What's a referment?

Here you go, hope it helps:

https://www.definitions.net/definition/referment

 
 
 
katrix
4.3.34  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.25    2 weeks ago
Civilian doctors have no authority to issue referments

Of course not,. They can provide letters that the military officials which granted the deferments can use, though.  I figured you knew that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.3.35  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @4.3.11    2 weeks ago

What truth have you uttered?

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.3.36  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @4.3.27    2 weeks ago
Nope, the support for Trump continues to grow

384

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.3.37  dennis smith  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.5    2 weeks ago

When someone says "I can assure you" (without proof) or "Trust me" (again without proof) they are lying

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.3.38  dennis smith  replied to  WallyW @4.3.3    2 weeks ago

He never does Wally. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.3.39  al Jizzerror  replied to  WallyW @4.3.17    2 weeks ago
Then you have to remember the officer who gave you the physical?

I graduated from High School in NYC.  I don't remember who gave me my physical but I remember where I got my draft physical.  It was immortalized by Arlo Guthrie in his song Alice's Restaurant Massacre:

They got a building down in New York City, it's called Whitehall Street, where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected, neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. 'Cause I wanted to look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York, and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all kinds o' mean nasty ugly things.
I remember standing in lines at the Whitehall Induction Center for lots of medical tests (eye tests, blood tests, turning your head and coughing tests, etc.).  But they did not test for bone spurs.  And, I didn't have a criminal record so I missed out on all of the fun that Arlo Guthrie had.
I later avoided the draft by joining and serving in the Navy (1969-1971).  I served in VF-102 at NAS Oceana and on the USS Independence.
My dad had been a Navy WWII fighter pilot.  He served for 27 yrs. so I grew up on or near Navy Bases and moved all over the place.

So who was the doctor who gave you your physical?





 
 
 
Karri
4.3.40  Karri  replied to  livefreeordie @4.3.7    2 weeks ago
We are more proud than ever of this president.

Hmm, that's interesting.  ALL of my retired officer friends (and there are many) think "the Donald" is a total disgrace to this country.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4.3.41  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  livefreeordie @4.3.7    2 weeks ago

Livefreeordie:  Frankly, I am fed up with your [Deleted] and, low-level name-calling and insults of people who have different political view than you.

I served in the United States Army for three years, including a Tour of Duty in Vietnam from 1965-66, attached to the 8th RRU, in Phu Bai, an Army Intelligence Unit.

Over 50,000 Americans were killed in that "senseless war," a Revolutionary War for Vietnam and a War Based on Lies for the United States of America.

Many of us returning from that deadly conflict recognized that the bloodshed, the over 300,000 casualties that forever divided this country was motivated more by the INDUSTRIAL-MILITARY COMPLEX's insatiable appetite for OBSCENE PROFIT, rather, than any remote concept of Security for this country.

Millions protested the War which was finally ended due, in large part, to the protesting of American Citizens. 

As a reminder, "LiveFreeOrBloviate", RUSSIA flew jets that KILLED AMERICANS and provided materials to North Vietnam.

Trump has a cozy relationship with PUTIN, a former KGB commander, and murderous dictator, who is an ARCH ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES and has been since the end of WWII.

Patriotism is not a badge that gives one "carte blanche" to degrade, browbeat, and, in general, dehumanize your fellow citizens.

Your posts are extremely demeaning!

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.3.42  Sparty On  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.41    2 weeks ago

Your post would be much more effect if it didn't do exactly that which you accuse him of.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.3.43  Sparty On  replied to  Karri @4.3.40    2 weeks ago

Hmmmm interesting.   Most of mine don't.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.3.44  Trout Giggles  replied to  Karri @4.3.40    2 weeks ago
ALL of my retired officer friends (and there are many) think "the Donald" is a total disgrace to this country.

That's because you chose your friends wisely.

I, on the other hand, did not. They're all trmp supporters

 
 
 
Karri
4.3.45  Karri  replied to  Sparty On @4.3.43    2 weeks ago

It is important to remember that the military (and military families) is not one large monolith.  We come from different backgrounds and have different educations, religions, ideologies.  Okay, so we all love this country and both the military members and their families have sacrificed a lot for this country.

Personally, I would prefer to have my husband spending time with the family for Independence and not marching (have you ever seen a sailor march?) and standing out in the heat and humidity of DC.  It would be more thankful to have the military and their families hosted at the WH by POTUS and family.  

 
 
 
Karri
4.3.46  Karri  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.3.44    2 weeks ago

However, TG, you always seemed to have the most interesting friends on NV.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.3.47  Trout Giggles  replied to  Karri @4.3.46    2 weeks ago

They're a hoot, that's for sure.

My friends on NV were the best, my friends IRL not so much

How are you, BTW? Long time, no see

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.48  Texan1211  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.1    2 weeks ago
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own FACTS!

He stated that civilian doctors could not issue deferments.

That is PLAINLY the truth, no matter what you may think. It CLEARLY isn't a lie and IS clearly a FACT, not OPINION.

He stated that Obama never served. That is ALSO clearly a FCAT, not an OPINION.

He stated that Clinton went away to Oxford. Clinton got a deferment to do so. That is ALSO clearly a FACT, not OPINION.

Dispute any of these FACTS if you in ANY way CAN, of course.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.3.49  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.48    2 weeks ago
He stated that civilian doctors could not issue deferments. That is PLAINLY the truth, no matter what you may think. It CLEARLY isn't a lie and IS clearly a FACT, not OPINION.

Actually, WallyW said:

Doctors serving in military are the only ones authorized to grant deferments.

Which is obviously FALSE since I proved with documentation that a 4F deferment was authorized for Trump WITHOUT a 'Doctor serving in the military' examining him. 

He stated that Clinton went away to Oxford.

Actually, he stated that Clinton RAN away to Oxford. If you're going to talk about FACT, you should CITE FACTS. 

Clinton got a deferment to do so. That is ALSO clearly a FACT, not OPINION.

Trump got a deferment when he RAN to Wharton after getting classified 1A. 

Dispute any of these FACTS if you in ANY way CAN, of course.

I dispute that your comment contained pertinent FACTS. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.3.50  livefreeordie  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.41    2 weeks ago
Your posts are extremely demeaning

I feel the same way about yours.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.51  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.3.49    2 weeks ago
Doctors serving in military are the only ones authorized to grant deferments.
Which is obviously FALSE since I proved with documentation that a 4F deferment was authorized for Trump WITHOUT a 'Doctor serving in the military' examining him.

Could any civilian doctor grant a deferment? No, so my statement is true. ONLY doctors who are in the military could grant them, along with the draft board.

He stated that Clinton went away to Oxford.
Actually, he stated that Clinton RAN away to Oxford. If you're going to talk about FACT, you should CITE FACTS.

Do you KNOW for a fact that Clinton never ran? What difference does it make if he flew, walked, swam, or ran? The net result is the same--he got a deferment.

I dispute that your comment contained pertinent FACTS.

Whoop-di-do.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.3.52  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  cjcold @4.3.23    2 weeks ago

Must have been after my time. Not familiar with it.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.3.53  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @4.3.49    2 weeks ago
If you're going to talk about FACT, you should CITE FACTS. 

How about these FACTS?

Dec. 3, 1969 While a student at Oxford University in England, Clinton wrote to Col. Eugene Holmes, director of the Reserve Officers Training Corps program at the University of Arkansas: "I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for demonstrations Oct. 15 and Nov. 16."

Slick willy was an anti-war protester.

And of course, there's this little piece:

Oct. 7 --On the "Donahue" show, Clinton was asked, "Were you part of a 'march against death' on the United States Embassy in London in 1969?" Clinton replied: "I don't remember that it was called that. I have said repeatedly that I was in two or three marches during the course of my life as an opponent of the Vietnam War. And one time I did go to the United States Embassy, and there were a couple of hundred people there I don't remember it being a big crowd, and I don't remember that being the title of it. But I did go there. A bunch of us from Oxford went down for it."

Source:  https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-10-09-1992283096-story.html

And lets not get into his Russia trip.

Would you prefer to discuss the North Korean nuclear deal Billy made?  That was surely a resounding success was it not?

 
 
 
Dulay
4.3.54  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.51    2 weeks ago
Could any civilian doctor grant a deferment? No, so my statement is true.

No because YOUR statement was: 

He stated that civilian doctors could not issue deferments.

That wasn't his statement, was it Tex? 

ONLY doctors who are in the military could grant them, along with the draft board.

Now comes your moving the goal post. Add in 'along with the draft board' AFTER I proved that FACT with documentation. Well done. 

Do you KNOW for a fact that Clinton never ran?

Oh I KNOW for a fact that Clinton did run, in fact there are many a video of Clinton running while he was POTUS. 

As for whether he RAN to Oxford, one would have to wonder WHY Clinton would run when he won a Rhodes Scholarship and with it a scholastic deferment. 

What difference does it make if he flew, walked, swam, or ran? The net result is the same--he got a deferment.

The difference is that YOU misrepresented what he said while insisting that you were stating  FACTS. 

Whoop-di-do.

That's the most poignant comment you've made to me.../s

 
 
 
Dulay
4.3.55  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @4.3.53    2 weeks ago
How about these FACTS?
Slick willy was an anti-war protester.
And of course, there's this little piece:

WTF does that have to do with what WallyW said vs. what Tex said he said? 

Oh and BTFW, so what? 

And lets not get into his Russia trip.
Would you prefer to discuss the North Korean nuclear deal Billy made? That was surely a resounding success was it not?

Actually, no. I've addressed your deflection far enough...

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.56  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.3.54    2 weeks ago
Could any civilian doctor grant a deferment? No, so my statement is true.
No because YOUR statement was:
He stated that civilian doctors could not issue deferments.
That wasn't his statement, was it Tex?
ONLY doctors who are in the military could grant them, along with the draft board.

[dejeted]

If a doctor is not a military doctor, that makes him what? A civilian doctor?

So only doctors who were in the military could grant deferments---civilian doctors could not.

No moving of any of your imaginary goalposts, just simple common sense.

Oh I KNOW for a fact that Clinton did run, in fact there are many a video of Clinton running while he was POTUS.
As for whether he RAN to Oxford, one would have to wonder WHY Clinton would run when he won a Rhodes Scholarship and with it a scholastic deferment.

No, one would NOT have to wonder.

The difference is that YOU misrepresented what he said while insisting that you were stating FACTS.

I didn't misrepresent anything, I just understood his post. All I did was try to enlighten people who misunderstood it.

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.3.57  Don Overton  replied to  katrix @4.3.4    2 weeks ago

[Ironic]

 
 
 
Dulay
4.3.58  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.56    2 weeks ago
Sorry, I personally misjudged your ability to put two and two together.

I put two and two together just fine. You misrepresented what WallyW said and refuse to admit it. That equals 4. 

I didn't misrepresent anything, I just understood his post. All I did was try to enlighten people who misunderstood it.

No what you did was restate his post to fit your agenda. You not only think it's kosher to misrepresent what he said, you think it kosher to insist that you're BETTER at stating his posit.

Pretty condescending BTW. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.59  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.3.58    2 weeks ago
I put two and two together just fine. You misrepresented what WallyW said and refuse to admit it. That equals 4.

Here is what Wally wrote:

Post 4.3 "Deferments were not given by civilian doctors."

Then you claimed, in post 4.3.49, that he said this:

Actually, WallyW said:
Doctors serving in military are the only ones authorized to grant deferments.

Where did he say that? What post did you quote that from Wally?

Deferments were NOT granted by civilian doctors. Period. Full stop.

If civilian doctors were unable to grant deferments (and even you would have to admit to that), then obviously only doctors who were military doctors could grant deferments.

Ergo, only military doctors could grant them, as civilian doctors were not able to do so.

Why is this hard to understand for you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.60  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.3.58    2 weeks ago
No what you did was restate his post to fit your agenda. You not only think it's kosher to misrepresent what he said, you think it kosher to insist that you're BETTER at stating his posit.
Pretty condescending BTW.

In what post do you think I misrepresented what Wally ACTUALLY stated?

Do you have that post from Wally stating what you claimed? What number is it, please?

The condescension, IMO, was well deserved and earned.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.61  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.3.54    2 weeks ago
No because YOUR statement was:
He stated that civilian doctors could not issue deferments.
That wasn't his statement, was it Tex?

Here is what he ACTUALLY wrote:

Post 4.3 "Deferments were not given by civilian doctors."

Okay, okay, he didn't exactly state that civilian doctors could not issue deferments. He stated that deferments were not given by civilian doctor.

Do you think there is any difference in those two statements? If so, please explain the differences you see.

 
 
 
CB
4.3.62  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @4.3.11    2 weeks ago

You deliver truth (in which century)?

 
 
 
Dulay
4.3.63  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.59    2 weeks ago
 
 
 
CB
4.3.64  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @4.3.27    2 weeks ago

You're so cutely hilarious! You 'crazy' kids just don't stop do ya?

 
 
 
Dulay
4.3.65  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.60    2 weeks ago
In what post do you think I misrepresented what Wally ACTUALLY stated?

I've already told you TWICE now. 

Do you have that post from Wally stating what you claimed? What number is it, please?

Already posted it. 

The condescension, IMO, was well deserved and earned.

I'm sure WallyW will appreciate that...

 
 
 
CB
4.3.66  CB   replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.41    2 weeks ago

Well articulated, my friend.

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.3.67  Don Overton  replied to  livefreeordie @4.3.7    2 weeks ago

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cjcold
4.3.68  cjcold  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.3.5    2 weeks ago

They sent me a 1H and never called back. Not that I minded.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.3.69  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @4.3.68    2 weeks ago

I thought you proudly burned your draft card?

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.3.70  Sparty On  replied to  Don Overton @4.3.67    2 weeks ago

Some would say the same about you Don.    

How would that feel?

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.3.71  Don Overton  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.3.2    2 weeks ago

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/02/27/trumps-lawyer-no-basis-for-presidents-medical-deferment-from-vietnam/

Before you open your trap 8 ball look at who published this

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump acknowledged to advisors that he made up a fake injury to avoid military service, because “I wasn’t going to Vietnam,” his former lawyer told lawmakers during testimony on Wednesday.

Michael Cohen, who also worked as a fixer for Trump before his election, said he was tasked with tamping down criticism of the military deferment as the presidential candidate simultaneously mocked Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, for being regarded as a military hero. “I like people who weren’t captured," Trump said during a July 2015 interview.

“Mr. Trump claimed (his medical deferment) was because of a bone spur, but when I asked for medical records, he gave me none and said there was no surgery,” Cohen told members of the House Oversight Committee. “He told me not to answer the specific questions by reporters but rather offer simply the fact that he received a medical deferment.

“He finished the conversation with the following comment: ‘You think I'm stupid, I wasn't going to Vietnam.’”

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Comments mocking John McCain spur demands for White House apology

A White House staffer allegedly said the Arizona Republican's views on a controversial nominee aren't important because "he’s dying anyway."

By: Leo Shane III

Trump has downplayed his relationship with Cohen and claimed he is fabricating stories about their work together in order to negotiate a deal with federal prosecutors for a lesser sentence on a host of unrelated crimes.

But Cohen said he worked closely with the New York businessman for nine years leading up to the 2016 election, and helped him cover up a host of embarrassing and potentially illegal activities.

“I am ashamed that I chose to take part in concealing Mr. Trump's illicit acts rather than listening to my own conscience,” he told the committee. “I am ashamed because I know what Mr. Trump is. He is a racist. He is a conman. He is a cheat.”

The lack of information surrounding Trump’s Vietnam war deferments has been a point of criticism since the campaign, but White House officials have dismissed those concerns as politically motivated.

Trump received five deferments during the height of the Vietnam War. Four were for education. The fifth was the medical waiver, after his graduation.


 
 
 
MrFrost
4.3.72  MrFrost  replied to  dennis smith @4.3.37    2 weeks ago
When someone says "I can assure you" (without proof) or "Trust me" (again without proof) they are lying

The funny thing is that trump says shit like that every day, all day long. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.3.73  dennis smith  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.59    2 weeks ago

common sense is certainly missing from some so they accuse others of changing things. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.3.74  dennis smith  replied to  Karri @4.3.40    2 weeks ago
 ALL of my retired officer friends (and there are many) think "the Donald" is a total disgrace to this country.

They "THINK" he is a disgrace. Would be more convincing it they knew it instead of thinking it.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.3.75  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.9    2 weeks ago
Perhaps this will help in understanding how U.S. Presidents are elected.

Says the one who doesn't even  know how the federal budget works.  You just can't stop mocking yourself, it seems, Tex. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.3.76  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  livefreeordie @4.3.13    2 weeks ago
 I’m a disabled Veteran from a Russian attack while on a classified mission in the Arctic Circle in the late 60s

Unless it's been declassified you just violated at least one law. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.4  Sparty On  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4    2 weeks ago
Trump does not deserve a PARADE in his honor.

More horseshit.  

The Independence day parade happens every year and it's not in his honor it's for all Americans.   Except it is for him to since he is an American as well.

I'd say this hatred being spewed at Trump is epic but it no longer is epic.   It's become typical for many.

Must be a sad, sad existence for some to carry all that hate around in their hearts.

That said, happy 4th of July to all Americans.

 
 
 
katrix
4.4.1  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @4.4    2 weeks ago
The Independence day parade happens every year and it's not in his honor it's for all Americans

He's totally changing this and making it about him. I've been to plenty of these. He's going to speak from the Lincoln Memorial - which is where a lot of people generally sit to enjoy the show. He's also blocking off a large section around him for his toadies, rather than letting all Americans enjoy that space. He's politicizing an event which has always just been about regular Americans celebrating their country together, enjoying the day, the monuments, the music, and the fireworks. Security is going to be a nightmare for those attending ... flights are being shut down ... he's inconveniencing an awful lot of people so he can hold a rally at an event that should NOT be about him and which should not be partisan.

He's never given up on his personal Bastille Day military parade, and this is his attempt at giving himself one. He's already bragging about his tanks.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.4.2  r.t..b...  replied to  katrix @4.4.1    2 weeks ago
He's politicizing an event

It is all he knows. Once again, the tone deaf inability to take a traditional, non-partisan ceremony and make it all about him. Delusional singularly, and yet another example of fomenting division as it has negatively affected what should be a national celebration. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.4.3  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @4.4.1    2 weeks ago
He's never given up on his personal Bastille Day military parade, and this is his attempt at giving himself one. He's already bragging about his tanks.

I've been to a few as well and static displays of military equipment is not an unusual thing for events of this nature.   Not at all.

This is nothing more that TDS on display.   Big time.   It reminds me of when the Blue Angels come to town and all the usual loons on the left whine about it.   They're too loud, it costs too much in tax payer dollars, etc, etc.

Wanna tighten the feds belt?   Find something more worthy of being cut.   Cut some of congress's unnecessary perks that cost us hundreds of millions a year.   That would be a great start.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.4.4  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @4.4.3    2 weeks ago
I've been to a few as well and static displays of military equipment is not an unusual thing for events of this nature.   Not at all.

The difference this time is his interjecting himself front and center. And yet again, turning a celebratory event that in the past has never had political overtones attached to it into a point of division. Call it TDS as you will (a very stale and growing staler by the day defense mechanism IMO) but only one person is responsible for making this just another head shaking day.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.4.5  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @4.4.4    2 weeks ago
The difference this time is his interjecting himself front and center.

Most of the mass media would like to make it about that and they will but i don't believe that it is.  

We disagree on that i know.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.4.6  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @4.4.5    2 weeks ago
Most of the mass media would like to make it about that and they will

He is the POTUS, and as such, everyone word and action is news. We can argue as to the dissection of those words and deeds but that is a separate issue. He craves the attention for goodness sake and stokes the flames intentionally. To then turnaround and blame the 'mass media' is just more of the same. He is an expert at pushing buttons if nothing else.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.4.7  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @4.4.6    2 weeks ago

Show me a POTUS who wasn't a flaming narcissist and i'll show you someone who didn't become POTUS.

One wonders if you were as hard on previous Democrat POTUS's, who had the same issue but hide it better due to being better politicians.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.4.8  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @4.4.7    2 weeks ago
One wonders if you were as hard on previous Democrat POTUS's

For me, party affiliation has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The position demands they be held accountable for their behavior and also be competent enough to delineate their decision making in an articulate and reasonable manner. None will ever gain complete consensus and that it as it should be. As in all positions of power, some are better suited for the responsibilities than others, but to be willfully arrogant is going well beyond narcissism and political acuity.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.4.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @4.4.3    2 weeks ago
This is nothing more that TDS on display.  

TDS is a figment of your imagination. What you are referring to is people properly reacting to the moron in the white house. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.4.10  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @4.4.9    2 weeks ago

“After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but is often true.”

“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.”

Spock

 
 
 
CB
4.4.11  CB   replied to  Sparty On @4.4    2 weeks ago

HaPPY 4TH OF July!

Now then no one has to hate Donald Trump, the man. We do take great displeasure in the manipulative liar and denier occupying our presidency, nevertheless. Incidentally, anybody who loves a compulsive liar must be in on it!

 
 
 
CB
4.4.12  CB   replied to  Sparty On @4.4.7    2 weeks ago

Oh! So now you want to throw the old "democrats make better politicians" card, Donald? Is that you?

 
 
 
cjcold
4.4.13  cjcold  replied to  r.t..b... @4.4.2    2 weeks ago

Trump wants to emulate Putin. He just wants bigger rockets.

So who pays for fixing the streets after the tanks tear them up?

 
 
 
MUVA
4.4.14  MUVA  replied to  cjcold @4.4.13    2 weeks ago

The tanks aren't going to drive thru the streets so to answer your question no one.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.4.15  Sparty On  replied to  CB @4.4.12    2 weeks ago

Some politicians will try to put whipped cream on shit and tell you it’s chocolate pudding, Trump isn’t one of them.    There’s no calculation there like the career politicians    

He thinks it and comes immediately squirting out.  Either verbally or electronically.   No one can argue that.

 
 
 
CB
4.4.16  CB   replied to  Sparty On @4.4.15    2 weeks ago

I will grant you that 'Slick' (Donald) is not a politician. Thus, these amateurish mistakes for which the politicians are showing him how things are done. And, if it was not for good old McConnell sitting on his hands. . . ."Boom!" Donald would be out on the streets (again) and back in his civilian job.

On the other-hand, that is the issue with too much tweeting and talking (everyday), very little is left to mystery. That is, how can we ever forget Donald and 'crap' if he won't  shut up for a few days? Okay, a week or two at times. Let the nation breath. Minds (and hearts) reset.

But no! Trump is boxed in inside that head of his. He has trapped himself (trained his followers) into having a 'groundhog day' experience where he must express himself to "my audience" every day! So, the operative word becomes:

Over-saturation.

Trump has over-saturated his audience with his thoughts, they just have not realized it yet. But once they do. . . the spell will disintegrate.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.4.17  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sparty On @4.4.5    2 weeks ago

Then why didn't he just make it a parade, with the military present, without himself needing to speak and draw attention to himself?

He could have defused the entire situation.

 
 
 
CB
4.4.18  CB   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.4.17    2 weeks ago

I listened to most of the speech and Trump's words were kept largely at "Attention." It could have been seriously deficient, but he minded his staff's p's and q's.

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.5  Ronin2  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4    2 weeks ago
Trump used his father's wealth to get an illegal deferment to avoid going to Vietnam! 
Trump, of course, "lied" claiming that he had "Bone Spurs". 

Which is must worse than Bill Clinton's draft dodging, and going to foreign countries to organize anti-US War protests. The left didn't think anything about electing him POTUS twice.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-10-09-1992283096-story.html

He has publicly criticized the former Senator and POW, John McCain for getting captured when his jet fighter was shot down.

Wow, pot meet kettle. Like the Democrats and left never criticized McCain's war record.

https://www.politico.com/story/2008/06/some-on-left-target-mccains-war-record-011429

The highest-voltage third rail of this presidential campaign may not be race, sex or age, but John McCain's military service.

On Sunday, McCain's campaign issued a pair of outraged statements after retired general and Barack Obama supporter Wesley Clark said he didn't think that McCain’s service as a fighter pilot and prisoner of war was relevant to running the country. Obama has consistently praised McCain's service, and called him "a genuine American hero."

But farther to the left — and among some of McCain's conservative enemies as well — harsher attacks are circulating. Critics have accused McCain of war crimes for bombing targets in Hanoi in the 1960s. A widely read liberal blog on Sunday accused McCain of "disloyalty" during his captivity in Vietnam for his coerced participation in propaganda films and interviews after he had been tortured.

"A lot of people don't know ... that McCain made a propaganda video for the enemy while he was in captivity," wrote Americablog.com's John Aravosis. "Putting that bit of disloyalty aside, what exactly is McCain's military experience that prepares him for being commander in chief?"

"Getting shot down, tortured and then doing propaganda for the enemy is not command experience," Aravosis wrote in the blog post, titled "Honestly, besides being tortured, what did McCain do to excel in the military?"

Seems the left's morale compass was broken when McCain was running for president.

Trump does not deserve a PARADE

If you would have stopped there I could have agreed with you fully. No president deserves a parade until they are dead. With all of the current budget short falls the last thing we need is another overblown expense. But then I am a true fiscal conservative; so it wouldn't matter to me if was a R or D wasting money.

in his honor. He has none!

Trump has honor. He only shows it to a very tight nit circle of his family. The left's major problem with Trump is he decided to become a Republican rather than a Democrat.  If he was a Democrat the left could forgive any of his past, present, or future sins. Look no further than the Clintons if you don't believe that.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
4.5.1  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Ronin2 @4.5    2 weeks ago

Delusions are not real, no matter how many time you tell yourself that they are. There is no honor in dishonor.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.5.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.5.1    2 weeks ago

I'll gladly take Ronin2's alleged delusions over your imaginary "facts" any day. And by the way, I also served in Vietnam as a U.S. Navy FMF Hospital Corpsman flying as medical aircrew on board USMC UH-1 Huey SAR and medevac birds 1974. Served a total of 20 years that also included the 1st Gulf War as well. I guess maybe we saw things differently.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.5.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @4.5    2 weeks ago
Trump has honor. He only shows it to a very tight knit circle of his family.

Best unintentional comedy line of the week. 

 
 
 
CB
4.5.4  CB   replied to  Ronin2 @4.5    2 weeks ago
If he was a Democrat the left could forgive any of his past, present, or future sins. Look no further than the Clintons if you don't believe that.

Prove it. Prove that a democrat can get away with birtherism, locking asylum-seekers in, and holding a presidential level military style parade. Go on, please. The fact is Bill Clinton did a lot for the sake of diversity and it mitigated a great many supposed shortcoming of the man, evenso Bill Clinton had limited credibility to flow out of him to Al Gore or Hillary Clinton, respectively.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
5  Dean Moriarty    2 weeks ago

Can they have a parade if we call them conscientious objectors instead? 

512

 
 
 
cjcold
5.1  cjcold  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    2 weeks ago

Burned my draft card publicly in the early 70s and have nothing but respect for Ali/Clay.

My best friend was drafted and didn't come back from Nam.

Canada is nice.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @5.1    2 weeks ago
Burned my draft card publicly in the early 70s

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It Is ME
5.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  cjcold @5.1    2 weeks ago
Burned my draft card publicly in the early 70s and have nothing but respect for Ali/Clay

Would that make simple "Deferments" during Vietnam a good thing for folks too ?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  cjcold @5.1    2 weeks ago

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livefreeordie
5.1.4  livefreeordie  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.3    2 weeks ago

Badfish, do you not understand how offensive to many Veterans it is that people burned their draft cards?

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

Offensive to you maybe.  How is that you can speak for 'many Veterans'?

You need to speak for yourself, not others.  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.1.6  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.5    2 weeks ago

Because I know anecdotally from my manyfellow Veteran friends and Veteran organizations I belong to.

those of us who faithfully served in the 60s resented and were offended by the America hating draft card burners. I have zero respect for them

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

That's nice.

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Texan1211
5.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

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dennis smith
5.1.9  dennis smith  replied to  cjcold @5.1    2 weeks ago

Typical of those who couldn't get legitimate deferments and chose to create their own deferment. 

Thank you for not serving America.

 
 
 
cjcold
5.1.10  cjcold  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

Many friends who went to Nam wished they had gone to Canada as well. Stupid war.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.1.11  livefreeordie  replied to  cjcold @5.1.10    2 weeks ago

All but two of my friends who went are still proud of it and they are Trump supporters

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.12  Sparty On  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.11    2 weeks ago

Me to although I do have several Veteran friends and family members who felt differently.    One uncle who got hit on Iwo never voted for a Republican in his life.    Of course he was from the republic of California.

Made for some great reunion fights with his brother in-laws.    Ahhhhh .... good times!!! 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.1.13  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.5    2 weeks ago
How is that you can speak for 'many Veterans'?

He's doing that constantly without any authority or fact. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
5.1.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

Hey, I proudly burned my draft card! Only difference is I burned mine in the barracks at the U.S. Navy Recruit Training Center in Orlando, Florida two weeks after I had already enlisted so I would not be drafted...jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    2 weeks ago

Being a CO is a valid claim and will be honored by the SSS if it can be verified.  Getting a note from a "doctor" that someone has "bone spurs" and therefore should not have to serve is simply high-grade draft dodging. 

 
 
 
MUVA
5.2.1  MUVA  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.2    2 weeks ago

No there is no difference nice try they still didn't serve. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.2.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MUVA @5.2.1    2 weeks ago

The difference is one of conscience (ergo, Conscientious Objection) and the other is pure Cowardice (capital C deliberate). 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
5.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.2.2    2 weeks ago

Had a close friend of mine who was a registered CO due to being a 7th Day Adventist. He enlisted in the Navy and became a Chaplain's Assistant and ultimately went to Vietnam and served with the Marines. Kevin voluntarily chose to accompany Marine units on patrol even though he was not expected to. On one particular patrol his platoon was ambushed by some NVA regulars just outside of Hue. Without hesitation he helped the Corpsman pull the wounded out of the line of fire while comforting the wounded, sustaining wounds himself in the process. When the Corpsman became seriously wounded, Kevin treated the wounded with direction from the Doc. By the time the NVA withdrew, with heavy casulties to the Marines, only then would Kevin allow his wounds to be treated. The whole time, he refused to pick up a weapon to defend himself. He was later awarded the Silver Star for his actions. I believe Kevin was one of the very few if not the only Navy Chaplain's Assistants to be so decorated in Vietnam. Kevin was the real deal and the perfect example of a unintentional hero. He never tried to preach to or convert others and served and lived his life by example. I was privileged to to be able to call him my friend. Sorry for rambling. Just wanted to provide a example that CO's covered a very wide spectrum. Kevin just wanted to serve his country without having to take anybody's life.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
6  author  Eat The Press Do Not Read It    2 weeks ago

Again, Dean Moriarty, you are off-topic. We are not discussing Muhammad Ali's decision to become a "Vietnam Objector" in the 1960s.

We are discussing this gross, publicity stunt demanded by the MOST CORRUPTED person to ever hold the Office of President of the United States of America to promote his re-election bid by misusing federal funds.

As I assume, you are a direct descendant of Sherlock Holmes's Arch-Enemy, The Evil, Sinister Moriarty of Donan Doyles's book, your crafty dodge is well worn.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
7  al Jizzerror    2 weeks ago

I'm a Dodgers fan.  I think the LA Dodgers should be honored with a parade after they win the World Series.

However, I find it disturbing that The Donald is hijacking the July 4th celebration.  Why did The Donald duck military service?  Why did he claim avoiding STD's was his Vietnam?  Why did Trump disparage John McCain who was a combat veteran (and a true hero)?  And why did Putin get Trump elected.  Did Putin really want to "make America great again"?  Of course not.  He knew a Trump presidency would divide America.

Only one other president (who was also a fucking criminal) highjacked the July 4th celebration.  Tickets to the event have been provided to Trump's contributors.  I suggest that Trump's event be boycotted.  I would hate to see protestors being attacked (like at Nixon's event).

I highly recommend (yeah, I'm high) that everyone watch the following video to learn about Nixon's "celebration":

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.1  Sparty On  replied to  al Jizzerror @7    2 weeks ago
I think the LA Dodgers should be honored with a parade after they win the World Series.

And if they win the WS they will be.   In LA.

However, I find it disturbing that The Donald is hijacking the July 4th celebration.

He's not hijacking jackshit.

The National Independence day parade is an annual event.   The celebrations that day often involve fly overs and static displays of military equipment.

There really is nothing to see here .... move along now people .....

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @7.1    2 weeks ago
The celebrations that day often involve fly overs and static displays of military equipment.

Since when?

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.1    2 weeks ago
Since when?

Haven't you ever watched the simple "Fleet Week" going on's in San Francisco ?

You don't watch simple football or Nascar either....do you !

Fly over's of military jet's is a "Norm" in those places !

Military might is shown all over this country …. all the time.

Why is this "Independence Day" not worthy now ?

You did know that "Independance" from England....actually entailed a "War" with "people" involved..... didn't you ?

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.2    2 weeks ago
Why is this "Independence Day" not worthy ?

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al Jizzerror
7.1.4  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sparty On @7.1    2 weeks ago
He's not hijacking jackshit.

You obviously didn't watch the video.

I won't bother explaining the history of the event to you since Maddow did such a masterful job.

800

 

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.3    2 weeks ago

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It Is ME
7.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  al Jizzerror @7.1.4    2 weeks ago

3 year old AOC ?

cartoonish Pokemyhontas ?

Withering Bernie ?

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  al Jizzerror @7.1.4    2 weeks ago

Poor Maddow .... grasping at straws .... still butthurt by her "i've got Trumps tax return" debacle.

Sad!

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.5    2 weeks ago

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It Is ME
7.1.9  It Is ME  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.8    2 weeks ago

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KDMichigan
7.1.10  KDMichigan  replied to  al Jizzerror @7.1.4    2 weeks ago
I won't bother explaining the history of the event to you since Maddow did such a masterful job.

Why not? Can't find a meme for it?

You do Know there are literally millions of Memes, you don't have to keep posting the same ones.

I don't have the hour to spare to listen to Madcow slobber out a report that would take 5 minutes, I understand that there is simple minded people who view her show that think her childish type of journalism is entertaining.

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Greg Jones
7.1.12  Greg Jones  replied to  KDMichigan @7.1.10    2 weeks ago

The resemblance is amazing!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
7.1.13  al Jizzerror  replied to  KDMichigan @7.1.10    2 weeks ago
You do Know there are literally millions of Memes, you don't have to keep posting the same ones.

I've posted this one 367,219 times over the last ten years:

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Ronin2
7.1.14  Ronin2  replied to  KDMichigan @7.1.10    2 weeks ago

Thank you for the laugh this morning.

Greg is right, the resemblance is amazing.

 
 
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